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It was shit the very moment they decided to mess with the combat system again. Making everyone play the same way will always be the core offense any musou can commit. Everything else is accessory in comparison, but since basically everything in this is genuinely terrible save for a few ideas in the open world design, it boils down to a uniquely terrible game. Execution is bad, polish is terrible, voice acting has to have open at least one seal of the apocalypse, and of course the optimization is awful.

Only saving grace I can give it is that it is so mind-numbing it's pretty good at forgetting time entirely while you're doing cardio. You do need to be something else in parallel though, because otherwise it's the gaming equivalent of binging on warm, terrible strong beer because you can't sleep.

>>14403819

>Making everyone play the same way will always be the core offense any musou can commit.

You forgot about reduced weapon count. If you think "clones" argument was about combat system you're mistaken. It was actually about literal clones like characters stealing other character's unique weapons.

For example Taishi Ci is very forgettable officer but he had ridiculous Twin Rods weapon. Now Yue Jin and Xiahou Yuan in this game have his unique weapon, but have one-two different attacks with it, and even utilize it better because of different stats.

36 weapons are divided between 90 game characters:

Sword – Cao Cao, Sun Quan, Xu Shu

Pike – Lu Meng, Yueying

Club – Xu Zhu, Huang Gai

Guan Dao – Guan Yu, Yu Jin, Li Dian

Twin Fans – Xiaoqiao, Daqiao

Spear – Zhang Fei, Zhao Yun, Ma Chao

Poleaxe – Lu Su, Xin Xiangying

Double Voulge – Jiang Wei, Wei Yan, Cheng Pu

Great Sword – Xiahou Ba, Guan Ping

Chain and Sickle – Gan Ning, Chen Gong, Jia Xu

Chain Whip – Diaochan, Zhenji, Cai Wenji

Axe – Zhurong, Dian Wei, Han Dang

Twin Axes – Zhang Liao, Ma Dai

Shaman Rod – Pang Tong, Zhang Jiao, Zuo Ci

Fan – Zhuge Liang, Sima Yi, Zhuge Dan

Shooting Spears – Guo Huai, Man Chong, Jia Chong

Sword and Shield – Xingcai, Li Lingqu

Dao – Zhou Tai, Sima Zhao

Nunchaku – Ling Tong, Guan Suo

Greataxe – Deng Ai, Xu Huang

Flail – Dong Zhuo, Cao Ren

Rapier – Yuan Shao, Sima Shi, Liu Shan

Mace – Pang De, Guan Yinping

Meteor Hammer – Xu Sheng, Zhang Bao

Gauntlets – Meng Huo, Ding Feng

Urumi – Xun You, Zhang Chunhua, Fa Zheng

Chakrams – Sun Shangxiang, Wang Yi

Fan Sword – Zhong Hui, Cao Xiu, Guan Xing

Twin Rods – Taichi Ci, Yue Jin, Xiahou Yuan

Guillotine Sword – Sun Ce, Zhou Cang, Wen Yang

Throwing Knives – Zhang He, Wang Yuanji, Xun Yu

Bo Staff – Zhou Yu, Guo Jia, Zhu Ran

Podao – Sun Jian, Xiahou Dun, Huang Zhong

Twin Swords – Liu Gei, Cao Pi, Lu Xun

Mandarin Duck Hooks – Lianshi, Bao Sanniang

Halberd – Lu Bu

I got really butthurt when i seen that Shangxiang's Chakrams were given to Wang Yi instead of giving Wang Yi her unique trishula or emei piercers. She actually had some of the most unique gameplay in DW8 before because of her anti-officer assassin style moveset, but now she's just a Shangxiang clone.

>>14403924

You should had listened to fans of DW9 who currently say DW9 is so good it spoiled them and they can't play DW8 or any older games anymore, because of how good DW9 system is because of control it gives over your character.

And i am not talking about some redditors, i am talking about /eagg/.

I only so far noticed it allows you to become immortal and easily spam air combos without any danger. Chaos can become piss easy even without items as soon as you figure it out.

I don't know if I should be shocked that Koei didn't learn their lesson from DW6. When I heard that they completely removed the charge system this time, I knew to stay the fuck away. And then when I found they limited the weapon selection again I lost all hope.

>>14403819

>save for a few ideas in the open world design

Wouldn't a bladestorm approach to map design have worked better? It may not be an open world, but it's going in that direction.

japan the best am i right fellow anons?

>>14404468

>>14404472

Well, there's Sangoku Hime series. It isn't nearly as good as you want though because of the amount of gender bender characters. Same problem with Koihime Musou.

>>14404581

>implying a series where all the historical characters are cute girls is a 'problem'

Miss us with that gay shit. Get the fuck outta here.

>>14404594

>wanting to put your Dong into Dong Zhuo

>wanting to put your Dong into Cao Cao

>wanting to put your Dong into Lu Bu

>its okay as long as those old bearded men are depicted as cute girls

>>14404638

>cfwd ps3

Try out DW7 Empires, i heard its great. DW8E is kind of an upgraded version, but DW7E had more endings and events.

Spirit of Sanada is much better than SW4-II.

>>14404706

DW7E had better maps. I also liked the fame system compared to the moral system in 8 empires.

>mfw after the cutscene where your waifu dies in battle

>>14404811

>>14404827

To be absolutely honest Koei spent time and resources on creating open world instead of delivering quality product. The reason why more than 1/3 of characters don't have their unique weapons is most certainly because of development time constrains. And the reason why it performs like shit and runs at 720p on OG ps4 is because they didn't had time to optimize concept they never built in their games. And new graphical features they included like hi-res new skin, hair, shaders and textures just don't bode well with new draw distance. They fucked with combat system to balance the game with stealth and bow features, that exist for boring hunting feature, since DW8 already had bows for fighting. Its how koei imagines evolution of their game from beat em up into action adventure, which will lead it to its grave. But i am pretty sure changes to combat weren't fully implemented and they were making them along side of enormous work on open world china simulator. Hence why everyone plays the same now.

So yes, it is the open world that ruined it. It ruined the potential effort on making good DW entry.

151 cutscenes this game has for every character and the fact alone that 90 characters in this game have their own story mode compared to faction system in DW8 is amazing achievement. Cutscenes themselves are really good looking, they show a definite upgrade in graphics compared to previous entry in the series, even when compared to PS4 version of DW8XL. They made cool new characters that actually look interesting, removed the edgy red and black costume of Lu Bu and replaced it with solid golden armor, women look much better too.

Remove open world idea, make effort on maps and weapons and you get a good DW game, throw in it few additional non-shit gamemodes for fun, don't fuck with combo based combat system and you get a perfect slasher that people will enjoy for another 5 years till dw10. They didn't get the memo to not pursue an open world gimmick like Lu Bu, they had to ruin it for everybody including themselves.

>Took them years to fix damage done by DW6 and unclone everyone by DW8

>Let's fuck with combat again lol

I don't care if it's empty open world.

I don't care if it looks worse than DW4 (it does)

I don't care if I need 1080 to even run it

Why fuck with combat? Why introduce clones again?

No, just no.

Fuck you koei. I aint buying it.

Now it will take them 5 years to unfuck it again, holy shit.

>>14404943

>The shitty combat system is all on the open world

I don't believe that's the case. Open world is not the cause of the new combat, but a consequence of the same initial reasoning. Pic related, they believed DW9 would be their huge, worldwide mass appeal title, the first game 90% of their imagined brand new audience would ever know. And a stupid developer will always think a brain dead gameplay is the surest ticket to more sales.

Besides, the combat system is obviously about setting up epic QTEs and cinematic slow-mos, not supporting a tacked on stealth mechanic or whatever. A stealth mechanic isn't worth reworking your entire gameplay from scratch, the new audience will drool for shiny dangling keys is.

This is textbook shitting on your fanbase to seek out more sales, including the chinese as evidenced by the mandarin dub. Nothing more.

>Try out 8

>Game tells me to press the horse button to call my horse

>>14407221

What if Empires in open world will be a blunder too? Think about it. Ending any battle by grappling hooking through the wall, no need for siege equipment, no need for soldiers, no need for base capture, just run towards next enemy castle and assassinate the leader. And then just paint map of your territories by doing this over and over again.

>>14407798

That's pretty much what I was doing. I stuck to normal, but with maxed out weapons, gems and accessories (all easily purchased by fishing) it may as well have been easy. I tried chaos for a little while but I just found it tedious.

I really should at least finish doing the main storylines once each, I haven't done Jin yet. The ONE THING DW9 does well is the official storyline. There's a lot more details outside of the battles than any other DW game, and the open world does a pretty nice job of presenting exactly where battles are in relation to each other and their significance to the overall war.

I did mention that performance is fine earlier (on a 1060). Try toning down some graphics settings Here's what I have mine set to, although setting textures to high did cause SOME slowdowns, it was perfect when they were at medium.

I like how the guy who was blaming game's unsuccessful release on chinese is now being accused of racism and generalization.

>>14409286

You fucking funny m8. Except you're wrong.

So apparently they extended "free dlc" release date to april 30. Either there is going to be a big patch in between, or game is just fucking dead and koei fucked up everything.

>853 In-Game

If you think about it, Samurai Warriors 4 (all versions) is superior product to both DW8 and DW9. 60 FPS on original generation PS4 systems, unlike both DW games. Graphics is prettier than in DW games, and combat much more enjoyable than both.

Fuck, they even included custom character creation in original SW4 and couldn't in first edition of DW9, their first open world warriors.

The only significant difference is that nips instead of chinks. That's it. And that 4-II was awful standalone XL expansion thanks to capcom suing them for concept of making expansions.

What i want to add is that it will be the same with Samurai Warriors 5, they will look back at how undeveloped their engine with DW9 was and just deliver a plainly better game in all features. It keeps happening. Samurai Warriors 3 was the only bad SW game just because wii downgraded it.

>>14421745

> Samurai Warriors 4 (all versions) is superior product to both DW8

Fuck no. SW4 is Samurai Warriors Chronicles - on console this time. It's insultingly easy thanks to hyper attacks being handled like free candy and the partner system breaking any urgency in regards to tactical objectives. It's sorely lacking in content. Literally the only plus it has over SW3 or even 2 is the counter system. I bought a bloodborne box with the idea I could at least play my favorite musou series on it and I got a hot serving of go fuck yourself. At least it has Warriors Orochi 3.

I mean, yeah, DW9 puts it into perspective, but you're fucking deranged if you think the subpar cashgrab that is SW4 even competes in the same category as DW8.