/v/ - Video Games

I always found them really easy and they never stuck with me. I played my first one later in my childhood so maybe that has something to do with it. I played a few more but really nothing stands out. the levels are serviceable, the mechanics are OK but they vary a bit and there's some powers that just plain aren't useful. Not very impressed overall and I wonder how the series has gone on so long and has been so plain so consistently.

>>14281621

I would think,on the basest level of attraction,it's always gonna sell to kids more then anything else.

>>14281626

I mean, that's the point of them right? An entry-level platformer. I just don't know how it can appeal to people here.

bait: the thread

I like the mood, the music, and the visuals of the series.

Ironically that makes it a better "art game" than most of the hamfisted indie "art" games that used to plague the internet, while still remaining a bit fun.

It's a game that I can imagine wanting to speed run, but other than that it's basically Comfy: the Platformer.

>>14281677

Can you manage not being a nigger

>>14281769

What's wrong with Lagunitas IPA?

>>14281774

>fifth picture

SPOILER THAT SHIT ANON

Do not lewd the Ribbon, that cupcake is was too precious for this world

>>14281769

Come on,don't incite shitposting.

I wonder what a 3d Kirby game would be like.

I mean there was AirRide, but thats not a true Kirby game.

An actual full-fledged 3d Mario 64-style Kirby game.

>>14282750

>that unusually unfunny post

You sound like a shill trying to pad out a legit post history so you don't get instabanned when you return to shilling the resetera thread.

>>14281769

I will break you to pieces.

Kirby is an anomaly. An honest-to-god anomaly. It’s a 2D platformer on Nintendo consoles that’s had tons of sequels and yet has somehow never become stale, and is in fact one of the only good Nintendo (and gaming in general) franchises left.

It boggles the mind, really. What is it about Kirby that’s so endearing?

>>14282919

They became stale years ago. The biggest problem is that they're too damn slow. Kirby usually feels like he's moving in slow motion, and that he becomes even slower when flying certainly doesn't help. Another problem is that the whole ability concept is very poorly utilized. Many ability are very basic and usually not particularly fun to use, yet you're often forced to use them (which also means abandoning your current ability as you can't carry them around). At many points you have to use a specific ability, or one of a specific set of abilities, which is such a poorly thought out and pointless game mechanic. What it really means is that you're forced to drop the abilities you want and made to use other, typically boring and overly simplistic ones, such as fire or rock. Most of the time when it comes to the items that you have to collect you have to use a power that isn't present in the area, forcing you to replay the level after getting to the end. They also like utterly retarded level design decisions such as forcing the player to pick one of two or three paths that can't be retraced, and then hiding collectibles behind one of them, forcing the player to replay the level if they didn't guess correctly.

The games are also far too easy most of the time, and while they have oddly large difficulty spikes at times, that does nothing to make the easy sections less boring. Really, the whole ability copying thing is poorly used. Most of the time it just forces you to use boring abilities. The fun ones are often rare to see, and when you do get them you're going to be forced to get rid of it within a level at the most so that you can progress or grab that collectible. It would honestly be better off with something like how it worked in Milky Way Wishes or whatever its name was, letting you use powers as you like once you've found them.

>>14283034

>The biggest problem is that they're too damn slow. Kirby usually feels like he's moving in slow motion, and that he becomes even slower when flying certainly doesn't help.

Every kirby game past Adventure (sans the Dream Land games) has let you run. Did you really play Revenge of Meta Knight without ever running? Are you fucking mental?

>Another problem is that the whole ability concept is very poorly utilized. Many ability are very basic and usually not particularly fun to use, yet you're often forced to use them (which also means abandoning your current ability as you can't carry them around).

I'm sure there's a few spots in each game where specific abilities are required, but most of the time it's optional. Besides, many obstacles have multiple solutions, like a rope can be cut with sword or cutter.

And all entries from Super Star have expanded greatly upon the moveset, making some abilities in robobot rivaling fighting game movesets

>At many points you have to use a specific ability, or one of a specific set of abilities, which is such a poorly thought out and pointless game mechanic. What it really means is that you're forced to drop the abilities you want and made to use other, typically boring and overly simplistic ones, such as fire or rock.

So you haven't played any of the games that let you save the ability in your partner? Because that's the exact solution to your problem.

And even if you didn't have that solution, changing abilities frequently also changes how you interact with the game, instead of just finding one ability that works and only using it (like in the arena mode)

>Most of the time when it comes to the items that you have to collect you have to use a power that isn't present in the area, forcing you to replay the level after getting to the end.

Unless you're talking about Great Cave Offensive (or games like it), the ability is always at most 2 rooms away. Some of the worse levels in 3D and Robobot have problems with this, but that's why they're not as good

>They also like utterly retarded level design decisions such as forcing the player to pick one of two or three paths that can't be retraced, and then hiding collectibles behind one of them, forcing the player to replay the level if they didn't guess correctly.

Except a shitload of games already do that, especially MegaMan, Sonic, and Castlevania. At least kirby lets you replay the levels

>they have oddly large difficulty spikes at times

>he struggles with kirby games

Nigga do you understand what you're typing

>forced to get rid of it within a level at the most so that you can progress or grab that collectible.

Have you tried not picking up collectibles every single time?

>It would honestly be better off with something like how it worked in Milky Way Wishes or whatever its name was, letting you use powers as you like once you've found them.

Yes, Milky Way Wishes was great, but it's a complete change from the rest of the series, which already had fine game design despite your dumb complaints.

And I agree the series got stale with the past 3 mainline games borrowing heavily from NSMB level design, afraid to change up gameplay and simply improve on what works. People here saying there's no bad kirby game are lying to themselves, since even Robobot (the better of the three) was many magnitudes worse than anything Super Star had to offer

>>14283616

>talking shit about Robobot

Kirby Planet Robobot is literally the only good game ever made

Pozzed trash made for soyboys

>>14281605

>What are your thoughts on the kirby series?

Enjoyable kiddie fun, which is Nintendo's specialty.

>Good casual fun?

Yep.

>Challenging?

Nope.

>The music's great,you surely can't deny that.

Hell no, I love Kirby music. It really has that great 8-bit manic feel to it along with the other classics like Contra, Jackal, etc.

Had a bunch of good games at first, then Dream Land 3 and Crystal Shards happened and I stopped caring. Now the series does nothing but pander to an imaginary toddler audience that they think is too stupid to be challenged or even enjoy an actual game.

>>14281767

Epic Yarn is trash.

>>14282782

He's talking about the song that you linked. Since it's used like Pepe, they might be dumb enough to think that it's racist.

>>14283675

It's amazing how Kirby music is always distinctly Kirby, despite having various composers over the years. The 8/16-bit Kirby music especially. I could recognize the Gameboy Kirby music after playing just Adventure. The new ones have a different style of music, but still are distinctly Kirby and bloody phenomenal.

>>14283709

It was basically Kirby for girls, where death is not a consequence and it's just meant to be really easy in a normal playthrough, even compared to normal Kirby. It wasn't bad by any means though, just far too easy.

>>14283616

>Every kirby game past Adventure (sans the Dream Land games) has let you run

There's having a running feature and then there's making that run feature actually fast. This is part of the reason Crystal Shards sucked–although it has a running feature the pacing was still slow as fuck.

Dream Land 3 is patrician.

Kirby games are the kind of games you play after a long day of work or being really tired. It's an easy series that's designed to put a smile on your face and make you happy. It's not designed to be overly challenging.

I never play Kirby games if I'm looking for a challenge or really wanting to kick some ass. But if I am tired, did a lot of physical activity during the day, or whatever, Kirby games really hit the spot for something to just chill out with and cheer up with.

Kirby when you're tired and just want something cute to make you happy

Mario if you're alright at platformers and just want a good platforming experience

Donkey Kong Country if you want a challenge

Really just depends on the mood. But I think Nintendo intentionally set up their platforming games like that.

Kirby is FUN and CUTE and the games have GOOD MUSIC and GRAPHICS

Like classic sonic to be honestly

>>14284416

>classic Sonic

>cute

>not 2KEWL4SKOOL

Not a burger, are ya?

>>14284416

You are a grill or have autism, maybe both.

>>14281605

I want to love the games but he controls like a bag of shit.

>>14285482

>>hate Kirby for not being the Dark Souls of Nintendo

I've always really loved the Kirby series but I want a talented romhacker and/or Nintendo to release versions of the games that have more teeth. I like hard games and I like Kirby but there's no hard Kirby games, and the few things that are Kirby-like aren't hard either.

64 had the best gimmick.

>>14285539

I agree that it would be fun. Something like Mario Maker but Kirby ported, maybe.

Mostly just intended to illustrate that hating X for not being Y is objectively stupid, and is in most cases what people who say Kirby games are shit are doing.

>>14285562

You mean combining two abilities?

Apparently the new one, Star Allies, will have that as well.

>>14283763

>looked up video in question

>Published on Sep 25, 2017

Either this is fanmade or there was some website holding Star Allies music that I wasn't aware of. Leaning towards fanmade since gameplay footage of Dedede's boss battle has already come out and it's not your webm related.

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=-pmKV26q32c

>>14285696

i wanna fug the fairy queen

>>14281767

Kirby is one of my favorite series but Mass Attack wasn't very good.

>>14281772

Probably referring to IPAs in general, since they have a hipster connotation and the effects of phytoestrogen are misunderstood and overblown by /pol/. Anything is better than pilsner swill.

>>14282558

Kirby 3D Rumble and Kirby Blowout Blast were pretty good at showing a 3D Kirby game without powers. Kirby Battle Royale was a mediocre attempt at showing a 3D Kirby game with only powers.

>>14282919

I wouldn't say Donkey Kong ever got stale. Also consider that Kirby is made by Hal and has had a variety of directors over the years.

>>14284675

>You are a grill or a trap

FTFY. We all have autism

>>14285696

I am a little upset they didn't reuse the power combining for squeak squad

the only powers you get to combine are fire/ice/shock + bomb/cut

>>14281726

NORMOPHILES GET OUT

>>14281882

I used to follow the guy who drew that stuff on twitter, but it turns out that he's a massive liberal faggot

>>14281882

>first vid

Really needs the Get Down music to go with it.

>>14283709

>>14283724

KEY is basically a sidescrolling Traveller Tales LEGO game with Kirby and yarn aesthetics. It has the similar punishment for death is just losing collectables (studs/gems) but is easy to get to the end of level (just with a lower rating).

The Kirby tank transformation segments were pretty good though and was great to see them throughout the game.

>>14283763

Kirby isn't angry in the US box art. What does this mean?

>>14285539

How exactly do you make Kirby hard without cheap deaths? The flight takes out all challenge of falling unless you're a big enough bloke to run into an enemy, you literally have a default attack that can kill most enemies on screen. The only way I can see it is if you take out some of the invincibility frames for a lot of the copy abilities (see: Hammer), but that would fuck up too many player's ideas of how the forms work, harder puzzles which wouldn't affect the main story, or if they gave SSB levels of knockback.

>>14285579

The combining of abilities in star allies is more related to the one in Kirby Squeak Squad as it's more about adding elements to existing abilities rather than mix and matching abilities to get new ones like bomb and cutter or stone and fire.

>The music's great,you surely can't deny that.

Truth. Also, embed related. There are a few songs from Kirby's Adventure that still give me a frisson.

>>14283661

I remember these goons doing a let's play of Epic Yarn, and one flipped the fuck out and I guess threw a wiimote, prompting the other to scold him.

<You can get as mad as you want, but you WILL NOT damage the equipment

Or something like that. About a fucking Kirby game. And for whatever reason they kept it in the recording and put it on the internet and left it there for several years. The mote-chucker seems to be going tranny now, which makes sense, since his twitter feed has always been about his white male self-hatred. I guess Kirby has the Sonic/Pokemon problem, where it appeals disproportionately to mkultra test subjects. Wouldn't call it "pozzed trash" though.

>>14285820

He's a frenchfag.

>>14286091

>hold-click on jewtube link

>open in new tab

>its now open in the browser on your phone instead of the app

>copy code

>paste code

>or request desktop site in Jewgle Chrome

>copy desktop link

>paste it in browser url

>repeat above

There's no excuse for retardation anon

>>14287690

touhoufan pls

>>14285926

The game is about the power of friendship defeating darkness, instead of the usual "kirby beats ass simply because the villain looked at him the wrong way"

>>14285937

There are more creative things, like ice/water for creating an icicle shotgun thing, and using psychic to pick up your rock buddy, and ice/rock making a curling stone like in 64, etc.

>>14283763

also this shit is fake. you can hear the real song here. https://twitter.com/Kirby25thJP/status/952737964160827393

thread theme

whoops wrong thread i must live with this shame forever because it won't let me delete the post

>>14283616

Should have known the defence force would respond with some strawman bullshit.

>Every kirby game past Adventure (sans the Dream Land games) has let you run. Did you really play Revenge of Meta Knight without ever running?

Running doesn't make the game fast. It makes Kirby move slightly less slow, and it doesn't change that the rest of the game is fucking slow. So as you said, "are you fucking mental"? Fuck off with your strawman arguments.

>I'm sure there's a few spots in each game where specific abilities are required, but most of the time it's optional.

Yeah, "optional", as in "you can opt to not do this and have to do it later to get the real ending and/or 100% completion".

>So you haven't played any of the games that let you save the ability in your partner? Because that's the exact solution to your problem.

Partners are fucking dumb and will get themselves killed more often than not. They die practically instantly against bosses. Partners also don't show up in a whole lot of the games.

>changing abilities frequently also changes how you interact with the game

Yes, retard, that's what I said in the post. It forces you to use the boring as fuck abilities all the time. Yeah, you're no doubt going to go on about variety, but being forced to do something boring is not good variety.

>Unless you're talking about Great Cave Offensive (or games like it), the ability is always at most 2 rooms away.

And conveniently, the level designers really, really love to make it impossible to backtrack to get the abilities (or to backtrack to where you need to use them), meaning you have to replay the level. Also, this brings us back to what I said before: being forced to abandon your current ability. Here's another thing about this that I forgot to mention: sometimes, rarely, the required enemy will be present in the room you need to use it. So logically, you could drop your current ability, grab the needed one while it bounces around, and then switch back once you've used it. But no, you can't, because they included a special "fuck you" by making other ability stars disappear if you gain one.

>Except a shitload of games already do that, especially MegaMan, Sonic, and Castlevania. At least kirby lets you replay the levels

That other games do something doesn't make it good. Also, unlike Kirby, those games don't frequently hide things behind glorified doors that can only be unlocked with certain keys. In Megaman you can just switch to the required power if you have it and then switch back. There's also the frequency of it too; in Kirby you encounter something requiring a special ability just about every level.

>Nigga do you understand what you're typing

Nigger, learn to read. I'm saying that with how piss easy the games usually are, it's weird for them to have the rare difficulty spikes they do. It's like they can't decide if they games are for casuals (in which case the spikes would probably just anger them) or noncasuals (in which case 99% of the games is too easy).

>Have you tried not picking up collectibles every single time?

Yeah, so I would have to do it again to get the true ending and/or 100% completion. What a great idea.

>Yes, Milky Way Wishes was great, but it's a complete change from the rest of the series, which already had fine game design despite your dumb complaints.

"Your complaints are dumb because I can use strawman arguments and retarded mental gymnastics"

>>14288078

If I was fishing for (you)s, I would have done something much more efficient and not written paragraphs. And if I was fishing for them, why would you give me what you think I want?

>>14288049

It's okay,it's good music.

Almost always fun, occasionally challenging.

I feel like the True Arenas that they've been making lately have been pretty difficult. It took at least a dozen attempts to get through Robobot's, and I ended up having to learn how to use Rock in the process. I had to scum my way through Triple Deluxe's with Archer.

>>14281726

Rolling

>>14285562

Snail-like movement speed and a shitton of useless combinations?

>>14285696

Uh no, it's the game that basically relegated the series to the dumpster.

>>14287690

More?

>>14290513

In the anime, yes. In the games, no.

>>14294429

Wish they'd bring back Adeleine, Ribbon, and Fairy Queen.

>>14291659

What gender even is kirby.

>>14294566

If you knew, would you let it stop you from tenderly pounding that little ball of cute?

>>14289565

Wheel breaks both arenas, while was dissapoonting

>>14294636

what is the first picture implying

>>14291659

DAFUQ

>>14294636

>giving such a regal design to taranza the cuck

>>14285696

I always liked the bomb and fire combo where you exploded into fireworks, that shit was great.

>>14281767

never was too fond of k64, the gameplay was slowed down to accomadate the 3D, and though I like my puzzles, kirby's best when there's a good sence of forward momentum, like in sqeak sqad, superstar, and adventure. Not bad, just not to my tastes