/v/ - Video Games

The genre is most definitely dead, mate.

>it's not that our last games were mediocre, unredeemeable pieces of shit

>it's the customers that are wrong!

Every time. Fuck Relic. Everything after Dark Crusade was absolute garbage.

Good riddance, the worst genre can go to hell

>>14263486

>last 2

those were dawn of war 3.. and what's the other one?

>>14263506

Company of Heroes 2 but at least the story was good.

also

>the formatting of the archive is fucked and there's stuff hidden behind "Show more…"

Just take a screenshot nigga

OP sucks cock according to “anonymous shitposter”

>>14263486

>Relic

Literally who?

What fucking retards.

I really wish someone would show up and make a good, non Total War, non starcraft RTS to show these faggots the problem is them, not the genre.

They fell for the moba meme and they don't even realize it.

>>14263493

>No one makes a good RTS so no one buys a good RTS

>Therefore the genre is dead

Is Dawn of War 3 was like DOW1 it would have sold a million units by now.

>>14263535

Pretty much this.

>>14263486

It breaks my hear to see what the devs that made Homeworld have become.

Do you think sega killed them? Or was it thier own fault? After playing COH 2 I felt like playing through all of COH from base to dlc. COH 2 was definitely lacking but i could not tell what it didnt have that the first one had. It's a shame but the state of relic is dying or soon to be dead, since they thought turning DOW 3 into a hero type moba thing was a better idea, then just slapping DOW on a new engine.

>>14263542

if DoW3 was like DoW1 I would have bought it day 1 and would be playing it both online and offline, waiting for the expansions, which I would also buy day 1.

The DoW3 demo was so off putting, with leveling up shit between matches. and you could just tell it was going to do poorly because of all the "I wish I was dota" mechanics it had. Can the moba clones please die already? I don't think a single one has been successful yet and they never will be, dota players will play dota, LoL players will play LoL, and that's that, no one will move them to different games.

>>14263572

fucked up that spoiler im sorry

What a fitting name for their company.

>>14263573

My question is why did they think a 40k moba would work at all. Hell no one wanted/wants one to begin with, i wish it was another license instead of warhammer.

>>14263591

If my wish of someone making a cool new RTS doesn't become reality then at least I hope DBF sells really fucking well and has the best Evo audience in history to show Capcom how much they fucked up with MvCI and SFV.

>>14263589

For the same reason developers spent 10+ years shitting out Call of Duty killers despite people already having Call of Duty to play. Also, I think that horde mode for DoW2 gave them the wrong impression that a MOBA with 40k characters would be popular.

>>14263535

Imagine a fully coop RTS on a massive scale, where you can share bases, across a continuous landscape.

>>14263486

I'd actually have bought CoH2 if they hadn't filled it with microtransaction and unlock system nonsense.

>combine dota with starcraft with hope meme games will make more profit

>it fails

>no longer can afford lamborghini veneno on daily basis

>blame whole genre

>tell my team who are most talented people in the world they are worth trash

>snort pound of cocaine to forget the pain

>>14263572

>>14263486

Don't forget how their employees insulted fans for not liking the newer game by saying they need to get with the times. They then doubled down and called fans entitled and bigoted for not liking the game or the flagrant disregard for the lore.

>>14263728

>this

>>14263780

holy fuck, do you have the source for this?

>>14263785

I don't have it right now. I lost most of the stuff on my hard drive a while back.The bigot thing came up when people called out that the Knight pilot, a strong womyn, should not be able to boss around a chapter master. It was also pointed out that a knight titan pilot from a feudal world would not usually be female.

>>14263780

Hirez did the exact same shit and deleted a map from the game to punish fans.

What did they make again?

Impossible Creatures?

>>14263789

Do by chance have the sauce?

>>14263810

Down of war, Company of heroes and Impossible Creatures.

>>14263811

>Wanting to fap to a literal retard

>>14263821

She's a woman, they all are anyway.

>>14263819

Only care about one of those. Oh well, I doubt an impossible creatures game would be released these days.

>>14263832

nostalgia bait worked for point and click adventures and autism rpgs, it could probably work for rts as well. they just need to kickstart it and complain about le evil publishers oppressing them and they'll get a few million to make a low effort unity game.

>>14263844

Shit I'd play a more polished sequel to impossible creatures, even one that was just easier to play multiplayer with.

there is this thing called springengine

but its full of cyka blyat idi nahui giff me t2 builder cyka. atleast when you play 10v10 on 2v2 maps

>>14263807

What ever happened with that? It was funny seeing all of them try to insult their fans for not liking small changes they could easily reverse.

>>14263868

But remember that they all have to contend with (((Games Workshop))). That's where it might all fuck up.

>>14263830

>>14263859

>Whatever happened with that

The game died. An anon made a video showing the history of the game and how they fucked it up but I forgot what it was called.

>make RTT clone of COH 2

>make moba clone

>refuse to spend a few hours fixing an RTS that you outsourced to a bankrupt company

<RTS market is dead

good riddance LOL

>>14263929

dow1, space marines and battlestar gothic, afaik.

>>14263891

That was cancelled m8.

>>14264020

This. Building a fuck huge base and army and fighting the AI is the pinnacle of comfy. Somewhere around the time of CNC3 it was decided that RTS must pander to esportfags.

>>14264014

From what I hear it's just on the back-burners after EA through their tantrum about people (unsurprisingly) not wanting to see Generals turned into Free-2-play garbage.

I am glad the RTS genre will die rather then become Twitch bait/ASSFAGGOTS.

what about age of empires iv

>>14264089

I agree. Although DoW2 was a step in the wrong direction it was still fun. It was the only one of the bunch I bothered to play through as every side.

>>14264100

You can "kill" the genre but you can't kill the fanbase. Mods keep us shuffling along like an undead Frankensteins monster. All we need is a half decent moddable game every now and again and we'll keep going indefinitely.

>>14263486

didn't they are billions do very well recently?

i don't even know whats relic last few games were

>>14264020

> There's actually a huge casual audience for RTS who feel fulfilled struggling against shitty AI.

SC2's co-op is supposed to be the success no-one expected.

It makes sense, multiplayer is all about APM and build orders and (for most people) getting stomped. AI games don't have to be balanced (and can be a bit more creative in forces, maps, bases) and can be played at a variety of paces.

It's almost like everyone forgot that some people just want to play games to have fun an not be forced into some obtuse multiplayer mode all the time.

>>14263503

This. Didn't another studio recently say the same thing about the CRPG genre? Next they'll say MOBAs or MMOs are dead.

>>14264089

My only complaint was that the controls felt super clunky when controlling units, even though DoW1 was smooth as butter. But I liked the concept.

>>14263572

>[spoiler]

I got to tour their offices once during a community event where they invited a bunch of randoms. I listened to a post-mortem they gave on Homeworld and everyone got a signed copy of 40k Dark Crusade.

It seemed okay.

>>14263486

>>14263584

The lower case "r" in Relic logo looks like a revolver and just happens to be at the same height as the two people heads in OP's picture.

>>14264020

>>14264229 (checked)

>There's actually a huge casual audience for RTS who feel fulfilled struggling against shitty AI.

Is there any RTS game that has an AI with a "behavior" that is like a human player or can learn from human players and copy their good elements/strange tactics? So you could various degrees of "human inspired" smart/dumb AI that could feel "kinda" human to play against?

>>14264380

It's already a (((Windows 10))) exclusive by kikerosoft's order so it is guaranteed to be shit. Not to mention the jew editions of all the other past AoE games they announced.

It seems that Dawn of War is fucking dead for good, yet another great RTS that got CnC'd.

>>14263486

>they cant make a fucking clone homeworld game

IM NOT ASKING MUCH!

>>14264437

Sometimes you just have to accept your death, anon. The situation in which that guardsman finds himself is one of them.

>>14263549

The last time that happened a new genre was born and it killed its parents, look at the thread you're in

>>14264020

>dat pic

What the serious. actual. fuck? Why? I just wanna know why?

>>14264801

I think it was worth it.

>>14264801

for the bants, and I salute him for the contribution

too much bantz for delicate janny who gave me a 30-minute ban for not spoiling

>>14264229

Are you implping that developers should pander to casuals and shitters? No. This crowd should suffer or git gud.

>>14264229

Are you implping that developers should pander to casuals and shitters? No. This crowd should suffer or git gud.

>>14263560

COH2 was complete dogshit at launch, they ignored everyone after the mess of a beta and slapped a full price tag on it anyway. That and taking out command tree's and replacing them with DLC was one of the most insulting things devs have ever done to their players if you ask me. They needed to learn from the blitzkrieg mod and men of war and amp up the lethality and make a better penetration system but fuck that heres snow and paint jobs you can buy. Frankly they have been walking dead since DoW 2, they don't really know what makes a good game anymore.

>3 man spess muhreen squad

What the FUCK was that shit? If they wanted to downsize from the first game fucking why then why not at least stick to the fucking codex and do combat squads? It just reeks of decisions made purely for balancing numbers for muh esports with fun being a distance afterthought.

>Could have just made Dawn of War I in a new engine.

>Could have gotten a remake of Dark Crusade.

>Could've gotten a remake of Soulstorm.

>Instead we got a moba.

What the fuck.

>>14264945

>could've gotten literally anything besides a moba

>got a moba

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Western AAA experience, what can I say.

>>14264958

>Sega

>AAA

>Japan AAA

>Good

You're funny

>>14264437

He's Gondola.

>>14263503

Dark Crusade's and Soul Storm's campaigns were dogshit, though.

>>14265004

>using jewgle to reverse image search

>>14265018

Well I don't think saucenao works with 3D, does it?

>>14263486

>They took the Last Stand gameplay from DoW2 and made it the entire game's fucking focus

>Base-building, expansion, resource gathering, intelligent and tactical use and strategic maneuvering are fucking worthless when you can just zerg rush your OP units instead and the occasional ability use

>It's not our fault that we went political with the Soviet bullshit in Company of Heroes 2 instead of making a good game!

>It's also not our fault for making our new Dawn of War game an ASFAGGOTS when ASSFAGGOTS games are dropping like flies!

You fucking retards at relic, holy shit. I can only admire the army customization when you can swap and use other units, reminds me of the tabletop games, but what the fuck were they thinking with the leveling progress bullshit in an RTS game!

Daily reminder, Age of Empires 4 is gonna suck and it will kill them.

>>14263811

>>14265004

How can you not have seen that video of her getting facefucked, slapped and spat on and loving every second of it like the slut she is?

>>14264437

He looks metal as fuck, he just doesn't care about niggernids is all

>>14265004

whay are you searching with the term anime?

>>14265168

I'm not, that was just jewgle's guess for the pic.

>>14265041

Who even is this?

>>14265004

I found her fast using pic used in >>14264775

>we're in an era where MOBAs are flooding the market

>95% of them fail

>decide to make a MOBA

Video game designers are the dumbest people on the planet

>>14265340

But to them they just made an "RTS" with moba elements. The fact that it failed means people don't like RTS games to Relic.

Tooth and Tail did alright. I wanted more out of the story mode though.

>>14265422

>guy on the left

>wide pudgy face with shitty patchy beard and prematurely receding hairline

Did these people always exist or does estrogen really fuck you up that bad?

>>14265553

notice the "girl" at bottom sitting near that indian qt in red.

>>14264089

The campaign was one step away from being dungeon siege 2 with a 40k skin, and I can't defend it as a RTS or a RTT game. Still fun as fuck, though

>>14265304

I think I found the name amelia wang, but nothing further.

>>14265422

>bring in women

>into an RTS company

>end up with ASSFAGGOTS

Fucking cunts. What are they even there for? They had 2 community manager cunts in dow3, which did nothing but talk about themselves and how AWESOME the game was.

Who even likes that ?

>>14265422

Relic has gone to shit in the last few years. This pic explains pretty much everything.

Make a sequel to Red Alert 2 but dont call it Red Alert,

Also attach YOUR innovations to it,

how hard is to do this

>>14265883

Grey goo was a shit RTS that inherited a lot of mechanics from mobas, what are you smoking.

>>14265422

The testosterone levels in this picture must have gone into the negative.

>>14265928

>Grey goo was a shit RTS that inherited a lot of mechanics from mobas, what are you smoking.

How old are you, twelve? There is no fucking RPG elements and no cpu minions in Grey Goo.

>>14263859

The map eventually came back but it was so dramatically altered you really couldn't call it the same map anymore, and it was shit. I honestly though the map was great at one point but then they fucked it up, then they took it away. Incompetent fools.

>>14266038

Wargame is an unplayable clusterfuck because experienced players just camp the lobbies waiting for inexperienced players to come so they can fuck with them. Sucks all the fun out of the game.

>>14266046

>>14266006

Its the game centered around channels on maps, with greatly limited army sizes that are focused more upon elite units then army composition or economy.

Stop trying to bullshit me, I was here when the game came out, and it never was never more then a mediocre RTS that got boring real quick because of the MOBA inspiration and flavor over content or mechanics.

>>14266055

Learn military strategy, it's what I did. Read books and stuff, or even Wikipedia. And remember to not play it like a game, play it like a coward, never risk yourself unnecessarily. Or just play as (((Israel)))

>>14266087

The issue isn't with the game balance but the fact the community is shit.

>>14264219

>they are billions

>early access

Call me when they finish the game.

>>14266079

If you are trying to claim the maps focus on 3 lane bullshit, then you are blatantly wrong. Hell just look at the minimap in in the webm I posted, that's a fairly standard Starcraft style map, but it's not even mirrored for balance like most devs do because it's easier that way. Everyone has always bitched about unit caps in every RTS game ever made. We get it, you want more dakka, but the engine needs to have limits or things will go to shit one way or another. The big end unit is not the focus, you can have plenty of other units running around. You're the one bullshitting.

>>14265928

>inherited a lot of mechanics from mobas

On the contrary. Is has next to no non-passive abilities on units and uses pretty standard RST specific mechanics.

>>14266079

>Its the game centered around channels on maps, with greatly limited army sizes that are focused more upon elite units then army composition or economy.

>elite units

>grey goo

Every single unit in grey goo was expendable as fuck and experimentals were risky as fuck.

What are you smoking ?

>maps

It has pretty much standard RTS maps with two base entries like starcraft. What are you smoking.

>real quick because of the MOBA inspiration and flavor over content or mechanics.

It got boring because it was bland, heavy on the system, limited in modding and sold at 50$.

It had next to 0 moba influence, yet you keep talking out of your ass, as if you are mistaking it with DoW3.

>>14265742

https://pastebin.com/RHEb1A8A

>>14265742

https://piratebay.website/?load=/tag/kelly+baltazar

>>14266343

Yeah man you see some tiberium don't touch it.

>>14263789

>Gears of War clone.

it didn't play anything like Gears of war though, the only similarity is that they both have space marines.

>>14266369

>dumbfuck anon gets on the news after eating tiberium because the internet told him to

It's like those cunts who accidentally mustard gassed themselves.

>>14266369

already did research of it, really bad stuff

 "What happens if you're exposed to Tiberium? Nothing good. If you come into direct contact with Tiberium, the green matter will start to fuse with your skin within about 20 seconds. You'll feel an intense burning sensation, similar to touching a hot pan or spilling acid on your skin. A full blown infection will manifest if you aren't treated immediately. Your flesh will begin to take on a glassy-greenish appearance as it begins to crystallize; eventually your internal organs will shut down as Tiberium extends rigid crystalline runners throughout your body. If you breathe in the crystal, then it will become embedded in your lungs. You'll lose the ability to process oxygen as your lung tissue crystallizes. Eventually you'll start coughing up blood and will hemorrhage to death." 

>>14263929

DoW 1, DoW dark crusade and DoW Soulstorm are really good, and there are some good mods out for them that easily make the game last another 300 hours, Dow Winter assault was pretty good imo as well.

>>14266164

Look at the map in this vid: >>14266046

Can you say it doesn't have chokepoints outa the ass? Play the Earth 21XX series first for comparison and then come back.

And active abilities on RTS units are waaay older than MOBAs. Your argument is retarded.

>>14263811

Pretty sure its all over her face, anon.

DoW1 is the only warhammer game that gets the atmosphere right. Every other game waters it down too much.

>>14266389

piss off kane

>>14266392

>Play the Earth 21XX series first for comparison

hmm

>builds tunnel to your base and earthquakes your buildings into smitheroons

psh… nothin personnel kid

>>14266518

That was the plan, heh.

All you had to do was buy dow3.

This is all your fault, subhuman filth.

>>14263789

I wish they made another one.

>>14264967

>muh sega dindu nuffin he a good boi

>>14265883

I knew about it. But I wasn't going to risk sixty dollars on a spiritual sequel in a volatile genre.

>>14264232

You don't understand, every genre is dead except for the current meme genre I desperately try to imitate. Memes are still popular with kids right?

>>14266535

>the only reason

Sickening.

>>14266517

fucking Kane, just go massacre some civilians again

>>14263858

I remember playing TA spring before supreme commander came out

>>14267050

It was OK against the AI, quite fun for a limited time, but it needed monster specs due to extreme memory leaks. The in game UI for example was made using the chrome web browser (not joking). That killed multiplayer due to ultra lag and low frame rates.

Playing it I kept thinking it would be so much better if they got rid of the planets and had flat maps and proper single player campaign. Also many people couldn't deal with the spheres or the lack of a mini map so gave up instantly. Thinking back on it I suppose the maps where simply too small given the range and speed of some the units leading to very cramped matches.

If you have 32GB+ of RAM then it's worth pirating in my opinion. It's extremely shallow though, like it's a tech demo or something. Some good ideas but handicapped by brutally terrible programmers. We're talking Star Citizen or ME:A level of bad.

>>14267083

Yeah I do remember it crashing on bootup frequently but I don't remember running it too badly on my medium specs at the time. I just want a really good scifi RTS to get my friends into now since we only seem to play AOE2 and AoM on rotration

>>14267114

I thankfully did not get many crashes but only later I realised I got lucky due to my PC's specs or just general chance. Because of the way normal people tend to play they turtle up to massive bases with lots of units which brings the multiplayer to a halt due to lag. Huge battles would be really fun in theory but in reality it just collapses thanks to the Pajeet-tier programming.

>>14267050

I'm guessing RTS veterans would have found it pretty basic from what I tried, it's a very shallow Total Anihilation with how it plays.

Not that many units compared to other games or buildings, it's mostly your army composition and some micro that dictates who wins.

The worst part for me was that it greatly reminded how terrible RTS games tend to be with their micro since this game in particular could have used far more automation and it didn't.

Despite being capable of using transports to carry units from one planet to another and even using teleporters for the same thing, almost none of this shit could be properly automated.

You had to manually carry units with transports (no "ferry" option) and teleporters had no raly point either from what I remenber.

Most other games problably don't suffer much from this but in a game where you're supposed to carry your army across the stars if you want more than a single planet? It's fucking terrible.

Those stupid cunts also stopped working on Human Resources, which would have been an RTS about eldritch abominations and robots ducking it out using humans as a resource. It looked pretty cool but I guess PA ruined them.

>>14263555

Total War isn't even a fucking RTS. Most of the game is not decided in the real time battles.

>>14267083

>If you have 32GB+ of RAM then it's worth pirating in my opinion.

Jesus Christ what do you need so much ram for? I ran it on my 8GB toaster and it worked fine with 1 or 2 planets, besides planets getting destroyed where it crunched.

>>14265041

>3dpd

>>14267000

>>14266517

>>14266369

>>14266393

IT'S SPELLED TIBERIUM

>>14267243

DS1>DS2>dogshit Diablo clones > DS3

>>14267114

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>>14264863

>t. pro gamer

>>14264863

What that kind anon is trying to tell you is that it makes sense to try a different kind of approach to RTS games centered around co-op or singleplayer and maybe go from there.

The ultimate purpose for a game is to be fun and entertaining, for which there are several ways to do it. However multiplayer RTS games tend to boil down to heavy micro gameplay and a truck load of meta knowledge behind it. While it may make the game more challenging or interesting, it might not actually make it more fun, therefore failing it's main purpose.

Ence why co-op or singleplayer seems to be more popular. Not only can you do away entirely with the requirement that you'll break your wrist bones before you're half-good at the game, you can also experiment with several different types of maps and strategies that don't focus so much on symetrical warfare in a zero-sum game.

Plus, you get to play with friends so you no longer have to be perfect and pay attention to every single thing happening, your friend can cover certain areas for you.

If you think this means "great, so everyone can be a casual and still win", you're limiting yourself. It means you can actually add more elements to the game and it's okay since there's more than a single person controlling them all.

>>14264404

There are only 2 that I know of GalCiv 2 but that's less the AI you play against and more the game itself since it has a cruel sense of humor when picking events. The second one is AI War Fleet Command but the guy who made that did a lot of trial and error to make it work and he didn't intend for it to do that.

>>14267719

World in Conflict is a perfect example of what you are talking about.

>>14263542

This is more true than they are willing to accept. They listen to market researchers who tell them that people love MOBA games, and people want graphics simplified and dumbed down and extra colorful and exaggerated so they can see what's happening over low-quality internet connections when watching esports. When they release trailers revealing this and get shit on by their ENTIRE fanbase, they double down on their market research, despite the fact that nobody likes MOBAS, not even people who play MOBAS. People who play a MOBA don't play MOBAS, they only play their specific MOBA. Very few people play multiple MOBAS.

The RTS genre didn't die, it's just been rejected by the people who make the games due to faulty market research. Look at RTS games that are released as opposed to RTS games that are tainted by MOBAS, and you'll look at three games that were mismanaged piles of shit and a second list of games that appealed to actually nobody. A pure RTS game in the vain of Tiberium Sun, Broodwar, Age of Empires, or Supreme Commander would do really well in the community. You would think having a community would be their wet dream, because the only reason the most popular MOBAS stay the most popular MOBAS are because of their self-perpetuating communities.

Developers need to stop acting like they need to make basic RTS games in order to hold an audience. The market is nothing but basic RTS games and full of people who have played RTS games for decades.

>>14267895

Daily reminding that a port of Age of Empires 2 sold 5 million copies in the last 3 years. People are willing to buy an RTS, Arena shooter, CRPG, ect if it was actually fucking good.

>DOW1 and it's expansions sold over 5 million copies

>DOW 3 can barely break over a few hundred thousand

They wont learn there lesson will they?

>>14267895

Funny thing nothing stopped Relics from making DOW III as rehearse of DOW I AND then DLC MOBA campaign for it, killing two birds with one stone.

>>14268050

except for their own stupidity

>>14268050

Honestly I don't see why they didn't just do a land based Homeworld game if they wanted to remake their own franchise so badly.

>>14268138

Gearbox owns Homeworld since THQ died.

>>14268138

Didn't someone else already do that?

>>14268153

I mean instead of a ship producing ships you're the HQ and calling in steel reign. You could even follow tabletop rules like deepstrike.

>>14268149

"tiberian" as in "related to tiberium" you fucking daft retard

>>14268196

at 0:59, pretty clearly says tiberium

>>14268206

what a surprise americans bastardizing the queens English again

>>14268217

why is californium called californium and not californian

>>14268050

>AND then DLC MOBA campaign for it

That doesn't make any sense. MOBA's are inherently multiplayer and competitive, releasing it as DLC not only limits the amount of players to whoever actually bought it but there wouldn't be a campaign either.

This isn't Last Stand, where you can indeed release it as a stand alone extra and scale the hordes to how many players there are in the server, it either was in the base game or wouldn't be there to begin with.

And it's still quite irrelevant since they added Anihilation where it's standard RTS with no Core to destroy.

>>14263486

Should've made game for console, everybody know PC market is full of pirates

>>14268222

it's a metal, we don't really know if Tiberian is but we do know that it takes those kinda minerals from the ground into its self tbh

>>14268257

explain helium

>>14268232

>MOBA

>>>/cuckchan/

it's called assfaggots

anything from soldat through DotA to quake or PUBG is a "MOBA"

>Multiplayer

>Online

>Battle

>Arena

>>14268260

it's a gas which makes you laugh

>>14268277

it's not a metal, and yet notice "ium" at the end

>>14268283

really makes you think

>>14268295

you, maybe

for me it's obvious

>>14268257

>>14268260

This discussion is stupid.

When you say "Tibetan temple", you're not saying it's a temple made of Tibet but rather saying it relates to that particular region.

Tiberan Sun handles "Tiberan" as an adjective and it could have been written instead "Sun of Tiberium"

Tiberium is the chemical element\metal alloy, Tiberan is "related to Tiberium", much like there's Oxygen and Oxide.

>>14268293

what's silicon got to do with it?

>>14268298

no (you) tbh

>>14268301

using that logic, Tiberium wars is a stupid name then

>>14268311

Yes, yes it was. Can you please stop sperging out about dumb game names?

>>14268311

>opium war

>>14268320

I didn't start this fire but I'll sure to be banned for it because mark has a hate boner for me

>>14268327

>but I'll sure to be banned for it because mark has a hate boner for me

I know how it feels.

>>14268324

neither side was fighting over Tiberine

>rts fags still think the genre isn't dead

lmao

>>14268332

I mostly hate that kinda attitude because I haven't figured out a method of over coming it

>>14268232

same autist from the Gigantic thread. was spreading your shit taste throughout the entire board part of your plan?

>>14267416

For that game, memory leaks. The UI alone took up 20GB for some people. I had that much RAM for other work stuff.

>>14268332

>>14268338

It says in the rules right there that they judge banning based on your post history, which disappears after an IP post deletion. So when you start posting again of course you're gonna get banned because of a lack of post history.

>>14268311

That's not how language works, you'd say "Oil wars" or "Urainium wars" since you're specyfying what the war is about, you wouldn't just say "Oily wars" or "Urainian wars" since that'd be describind the war itself instead.

>>14268345

I'm happy to know you not only assume using the same image means it's the same person but also that you frequent threads for games you don't like or have any interest in.

>>14268361

People are arguing over the correct use of Tiberium. Do you honestly think there is any chance of salvaging this thread?

>>14268357

the war in 3 wasn't about tib though, it was in sun however

>>14267746

Thanks.

>>14265848

>They had 2 community manager cunts in dow3, which did nothing but talk about themselves and how AWESOME the game was.

Do game studios even NEED dedicated community managers anymore? The job can't be that hard right? Didn't the Yooka-Laylee devs just use them own team members to manage their social media?

>>14268364

Good point.

>>14268376

>Do game studios even NEED dedicated community managers anymore?

Well, they need professionals that can keep up a professional facade and not let their personal opinions and emotional immaturity leak into their interactions with the community. Naturally, devs being the kikes they are nowadays they refuse to hire actual adults and instead go for the cheap option of giving the reins to tumblrtards, with predictable results.

>Didn't the Yooka-Laylee devs just use them own team members to manage their social media?

You do remember how that one turned out, right?

>>14267895

What the suits don't get is that you don't make clones now. If a game is popular enough that the suits want clones, its a bad idea and will just solidify the original as more important than it warrants because it "inspired" a bunch of other games. It is even worse with multiplayer heavy games because it would require learning a new meta from scratch, and getting people and their friends to join for those sweet, sweet peer pressure bucks.

>>14268365

No. The game spawned a large number of chrome processes to draw the UI.

>>14268397

That's been the case since forever, and yet suits spent 10+ years trying to make Call of Duty and World of Warcraft "killers" and failed time and again.

I'll never understand the logic, why would people play an inferior copy of CoD, with less polish, content and players, when they have the real thing to begin with?

>>14268399

I never played 4 so I can't tell you. Gigantic sucked ass and overcuck was pozzed as fuck, you got shit taste.

>>14268376

>Do game studios even NEED dedicated community managers anymore?

Consider this: if community managers are still autistic fuckwits that clearly can't interact with other human beings and they are still hired by devs to do just that… Try and imagine just how bad the average dev is at dealing with their audience.

That's why they hire people for that role.

>>14268418

I didn't played it either yet, going to give it a try once I'm done with 3.

Keep the Gigantic discussion to it's thread, don't derail this one.

I already backed my opinion in that thread, you're free to debate it there if you want.

>>14268396

>You do remember how that one turned out, right?

Yeah YL the game didn't turn out that good, but in the context of a post-Might Number 9/Dina nonsense wasn't the YL community well managed by the dev team? (Until the removal of Jon).

>>14268460

>>14268456

>>14268447

The only good designs in C&C 4 were the Reaper and the Forgotten Silverback.

>>14268447

>>14268456

>>14268460

The artists that came up with this garbage should be belted with the metal buckle.

>>14268459

>Until the removal of Jon

They went on an autistic tantrum and shat on the fans for no good reason, ridiculed people that wanted a refund and did a lot of other stupid shit to antagonize the community.

>>14268196

>tiberian sun

<sun made of tiberium

>tiberium wars

<wars over tiberium

what's so hard about this

>>14268474

The artist who made it should be killed, then kept in a display fridge to serve as a reminder.

>>14268490

>reaper

>literally /fit/ urgot from LoL

>>14268411

Even in the off chance that the clone is superior, its just not a good idea because you need to get people to choose to go to the clone instead of what they know. The best case scenario is just using specific mechanics or ideas from other games or game series; though even that requires thought and skill else you get an incoherent mess, or flat out inferior copies of mechanics that feel out of place.

>>14268447

>>14268456

I understand that RTS in particular need easily recognizable profiles, but holy fuck those are terrible. They look like GI Joe toys with oversized cockpits, engines and guns that make no sense. Fucking Gundam did the hovercraft with a missile launcher on the back better. Plus, they could easily tone down the elements and have them be recognizable.

>>14268490

>it's the same one who did wars and it was a college drop out

I don't really mind that he's a college dropout, but there is really no excuse to let him near a project again after Wars. He must be a master at sucking dick.

>>14268497

>Even in the off chance that the clone is superior, its just not a good idea because you need to get people to choose to go to the clone instead of what they know.

And people rarely, if ever, do that. I still don't understand how a whole industry could repeat the same mistake for more than 20 years. Surely it's not difficult to see that if a niche is already locked down it's time to try something different, or give people something they actually want.

>I understand that RTS in particular need easily recognizable profiles, but holy fuck those are terrible.

The really pathetic part is that previous C&C games managed just fine without making everything look like a poorly proportioned toy for children.

>>14268510

You are a cruel person.

>>14268447

>>14268456

>>14268460

>>14268471

>>14268490

Wew! It's like children's toys.

I mean, in it's own game, these would actually be quite neat but from what I've played of 3, this does seem to break the trend. It's like trying to make a family friendly Verdum.

>>14268510

Uh, seems like they were increasing the concentration of Sci-Fi in the game in detriment of the military designs they had.

>>14268510

I have a hard time even comprehending that last one

>>14268520

>I still don't understand how a whole industry could repeat the same mistake for more than 20 years.

Greed.

>>14268525

Sci-fi is no excuse to make things look stupid. This is simply poor art direction, some fuckwit likely telling everyone they needed to market the game for children or something. Either that or nepotism was at play.

>>14268536

I understand greed, what I don't understand is stupidity. Surely failure after failure following the same copycat strategy would have informed the industry it doesn't work.

>>14268561

I didn't really like the renders of the cyborgs in Tib Sun, but in-game they look nice.

Oh, thanks for reminding me of the Centurion. That one looks cool as well.

Poor Cyborg Commando though, he looks like he's going on a gay parade in 4.

>>14268561

>he's proud of this

That other anon was right, this fucker needs to be lynched and his body put on display as a warning for future generations.

>>14268543

if you see another company's new type of car, you make the same one and you get more money.

if you see another company's new type of tool, you make the same one and you get more money.

if you see another company's new whatever, you make it too and get money.

Suits are the same in all businesses. The problem is that gamers don't want "A moba" or "A fps", they won't THE moba, THE fps and they both are already made. UNLESS you seriously improve gameplay or other qualities, nobody will want that - they already have that. But suits simply can't catch up on that.

>>14263486

>>The RTS and Strategy genre is pretty much dead and unprofitable

IF YOU STOPPED RELEASING SHIT GAMES THAT IS WORSE THAN THE ONES FROM 20 YEARS AGO IT'S DEAD

Nobody buys your shit because it sucks. Nobody wants your shitty strategy-games that is less innovative and polished than the ones from 2 decades ago.

>>14268543

Investors are retards, anon, and that would be the same group that make up the upper management of a fair few companies. Remember that a bunch of people invested a lot of money on a technology that could supposedly do 200 different tests on a single drop of blood. Mind you, there are tests now, single tests, can work with a single drop of blood. The woman in charge of that did everything she could to present herself as the next Steve Jobs or Bill Gates by superficially copying their habits.

>>14268596

**I don't know why I linked the same post twice

>>14268447

>>14268456

>>14268460

>>14268471

>>14268490

>>14268561

>>14268510

>>14268596

These look like Warhammer 40k's three times inbred cousin.

>>14268596

I got the impression that they're supposed to look rudimentary and primitive attempts at cybernetics, so I guess it's okay.

By the way C&C 4's atrocious art direction started in RA3.

>>14268232

>The issue with MOBAs isn't the lane-design for maps or the importance placed on characters.

You really stuffed that man full of straw before you beat it good and raw. I never said a word about lanes.

>It's the ineficient snowballing as a core gameplay design around which the game is balanced despite being so terrible.

This is core design in Dawn of War III (and Dawn of War II multiplayer as well). Progression is determined by early game and you cannot recover. If you succeed in the early game, you own the resources, tech up faster, and build more units. This is true in basically every RTS. The difference in the game in question is that it's not possible to deflect your enemies advantage like it is in most RTS games. You can scout a strategic missile and either intercept it or destroy it in SupCom. You can destroy your opponent through harassment from multiple angles while they deal with managing their larger economy in Brood War. Dawn of War III, you just sort of lose. They even added resource refunds when units die early game to try and offset this problem, acknowledging that it exists. Your only option if you are losing is to play extremely offensively, which you are not given the tools to do early in the game.

There are no comebacks in Dawn of War III.

>It's the economy that rewards boring and autistic micro tasks to maximize the rewards you'll get later.

You mean like the resource-point tag that occurs in Dawn of War 3? Sure was nice of them to add listening posts to try and stop it. Too bad building a listening post early on is a great way to just lose fights and throw away resources.

In case you weren't aware, the reason Dawn of War 3 maps are channels and chokepoints (since you mentioned lanes) is to mitigate resource-point tag by giving you easy locations to watch for it. People can debate how well this helps, but I'm going to go ahead and say "barely".

>It's the huge burden of knowledge placed on new players pretending to be skill.

Burden of knowledge is the norm in strategic multiplayer games, and this only really refers to the multiplayer component, something that Dawn of War III tried to focus on. If you plan on playing multiplayer and winning any RTS, you must know the units and timings.

>DoW3 might have issues and a clear inspiration for it's Core Assault taken directly from Dota (not League), but overall it doesn't feature any of the issues that plague MOBAs

Your argument was shaky from the core because literally all of those issues you pointed out exist, whether or not people can agree on those being the issues. Most of what you said after that is irrelevant because what you've said relies on the above points, which were false. The game does, in fact, revolve around snowballing, and the point control economy is poorly implemented compared to point control in Dawn of War, but slightly better than Dawn of War II.

>>14268638

Generals was fine. Units looked like their IRL counterparts and didn't have any weird proportions. They were just colorful and maybe a little bland looking.

>>14268244

> MOBA's are inherently multiplayer and competitive, releasing it as DLC not only limits the amount of players to whoever actually bought it but there wouldn't be a campaign either.

Do you know how MOBA appeared m8? As mod for RTS.

>>14268685

Is there ANY rts with realistic unit and building proportions?

>>14268692

Dawn of War? Most buildings aren't even buildings proper, just landing pads and small outposts.

>>14263486

All these dickheads have to do is add a feature of procedural maps like age of empires with options of making them big or small. I'm sick and tired of arena maps in RTS games tbh. Also, a map editor in par like warcraft 3/starcraft.

This clearly will never happen though, as most developers think that they need to only pander to multiplayer esports/ competative type of players.

>>14268692

I'd say warzone 2100, supcom and anything spite based

>>14268692

SupCom?

>>14268701

Can't really work with DoW because cap points are so central to the gameplay and the focal point of conflict. Maps need to be carefully balanced.

>>14268705

Man, Warzone 2100 was such a fun game that did so much right. A permanent central base, units that gain and retain experience throughout the campaign, the ability to design your own units to suit your needs, etc.

It and Original War are two of my favorite RTS games, yet no other game in the genre ever tried to emulate what they did.

>>14268701

age of aggression had that but it was soon patched out

>>14268719

it's a neat thing, having your own base like that I agree

What would a fun RTS look like?

>>14268765

SUPCOM

>>14268795

this looks like some comfy 300 vs 300 moshpit map

>>14264865

Oh shit I was unaware of the cuckness that had begun at launch makes sense on the lacking part. FFS why does every decent strategy game die a horrible death.

>>14268800

>>14263516

The campaign was the worst part of CoH2, though. One of the worst RTS campaigns I've played.

>>14268767

What makes it fun? I'm taking notes

>>14268637

>I never said a word about lanes.

Never said you did and I wasn't arguing specifically with you.

Lanes are often brought forward as an argument against MOBAs and a critique of DOW3 maps which is why I mentioned it as "not actually being a problem here or the core problem with MOBAs".

>This is core design in Dawn of War III

False and not the actual point I was making.

By inneficient snowballing in MOBAs, I mean that by the 25 minute mark, there's a winning team already but they still aren't strong enough to destroy the defenses of the other team.

They will and it's a matter of time only, but it's also a process that will take 20 minutes at least for no really good reason.

Meanwhile DoW3 has the escalation phases so the first few see less resources used and therefore those losses matter little, plus the amount of resources you gain from adquiring a point first or having more in early game is irrelevant compared to how much you get in later phases.

The refund mechanic also complements this, the first few phases being about probing your oponent and establishing the war theater but not really deciding who wins.

Meanwhile in SupCom, if your oponent breaks your main army, he will push to your base and now you're fighting a defensive war that you'll lose as he the other points on the map to boost his economy. A strategic missile interception really isn't that amazing or a game turner, especially if he can send you several at the same time by that point.

Harassment in Brood War also tends to need units, units that you don't have freely available against an oponent with a larger economy than yours.

>There are no comebacks in Dawn of War III.

Partially correct in the sense that nothing is really decided till a few minutes before the end, but actually incorrect. Most of the point in Elites is precisely for come backs, which is why they are such a game changer in the mid phases due to how their power compares before infantry techs up and because you can spawn them right on the battlefield where they are needed.

>You mean like the resource-point tag that occurs in Dawn of War 3?

No, I meant last hitting and similar shenaningans, that really aren't fun or interesting at all but still are mandatory.

Resource-Point tag is mostly the same it was in DoW1 and 2 and it's actually indeed closer since there's listening posts that can defend those points, but you're correct that they aren't gonna be as strong and merely an obstacle that you still have to actively defend.

Wanna know why? So there can actually be come backs and harassment that doesn't require several squads to break a listening post.

>the reason Dawn of War 3 maps are channels and chokepoints

They aren't. You see what you are looking for, I can easily look at maps from every RTS that features fixed maps and see the same corridors, just like you can freely ignore the multiple bridges and lateral accesses to every "lane" in these maps.

>Burden of knowledge is the norm in strategic multiplayer games

There's a limit to how much stuff you request a player to know before you're asking for too much.

I'm not saying DoW (any of them) reached that point, but most MOBAs do go well beyond it with every hero having their own specific mechanics, plus the items in the shop, the way neutral mobs work, how the towers agro and several other tidbits, each an individual piece of knowledge that has no relation to anything else.

What I said is that this isn't a problem in DoW (any of them) while it is in MOBAs.

>literally all of those issues you pointed out exist

They do not exist.

Economy doesn't depend on micro managing a single unit to perform a boring autistic task for 20 minutes, heroes don't progress linearly and eventually overpowering the other team to prevent comebacks and there's no "dead men walking syndrome" either.

Just because you don't understand how the economy in the game actually allows for easy comebacks or what role the elites play in it, it doesn't mean it's not how the game works.

>The game does, in fact, revolve around snowballing

For 95% of it, it doesn't. It relies on using your units to the best of their abilities and gaining the upper hand. Your foe always has the chance to revert it by building different units, positioning them in different locations and microing their forces.

When it comes to the point where you completely overpower them, it does snowball and ends in a few seconds which is how pretty much every single game is like anyway.

>the point control economy is poorly implemented compared to point control in Dawn of War

The first game was incredibly static in how it worked and rushing points allowed you to snowball your economy, with listening posts being tough enough to handle small forces sent their way preventing harassment unless you used specific units for it.

All the issues you point at DoW3 point-economy are actually worse in DoW1.

>>14268838

there was enough people who liked dow2 for there to be a split

Good riddance really, fucking canadians.

I hope GW finds better RTS devs for their Dawn of War franchise.

>>14266164

>It got boring because it was bland, heavy on the system, limited in modding and sold at 50$.

For me it was because it was unbalanced as hell and centered around t1 spam, especially after they balance patched it.

>>14265422

This further supports my theory that the only people who are anti-bullying are either a normalfaggot drone or are in sever need of bullying.

>>14268836

>smallest units taller than trees

>unit cap so hueg if you actually hit it you aren't fighting enough

>81x81km maps

>land sea and air

>NUKES

SUBMERSIBLE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS

>ass load of skirmish customization so you can do you tech one ground only unlimited resources final destination

>actually different factions

>campaign

>lan It's fucked up that this is even a thing worth mentioning now but I had to download the old version of company of heroes because they FUCKING REMOVED LAN

>mods

>>14268819

Gotta admit that WZ2100 has superior technology to Earth 2150, even if the latter has more gimmick. I jumped to middle part in this vid but it looked cool how artillery has some actual range and everything looked like an actual battlefield.

Along the way, is Act of Aggression worth even a pirate or am I better with Act of War?

>>14268870

I really appreciate indirect fire capabilities and radar focus, barely any game has something like that.

>>14265883

Plenty of people knew about Grey Goo, it actually had decent marketing from what I remember. The problem was that it looked boring as fuck. I followed it because I excited for a new RTS game and really wanted it to be good, but it just.

Looked.

So.

SLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW.

This is coming from someone who hates Star Craft and the entire gook click concept of "high apm" games, too. Everything about this game just looked like a big fucking snooze fest. All I could see myself doing if I played this game would be sitting around and waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting for things to happen. The abysmal pacing is what killed this game.

>>14268882

Yeah I can't believe I forgot to mention that. Guess it's time to boot it up again.

>>14268882

>Along the way, is Act of Aggression worth even a pirate or am I better with Act of War?

I enjoyed the multiplayer in AoA before it died, but I never bothered completing the campaign. I don't really remember much about it, but I don't think I ever thought it was *terrible*, it just wasn't that great.

Why do companies remove features like that? Pokemon mystery dungeon had some end-game content and an online replay recorder/player. After about 3 years, they completely removed it for no reason.

>>14268882

I've not played act of war but I did play act of aggression and I can honestly say that I didn't enjoy AOA due to alot of little reasons, I don't think it was a bad game as such but it certainly didn't win me over at the time and annoyingly I've forgotten why

>>14268907

The scale of infantry put a lot of people off I think, since they were like ants. You also couldn't zoom out (or was it in?) very far, which was extremely annoying. They eventually patched the infantry to make them bigger so you could actually see them.

That's all I can really remember.

>>14268866

>Being pro bullying

So you want to be bullied?

>>14268923

it has like a "satellite view" but I didn't have a problem with the zoom nor the infantry size and I played it pretty much at launch, I think I just did not like the settling, the cartel being really advanced ebil guys, the EU not being a laughing stock and america being in there kinda out of place really, honestly it seemed like they wanted alot of factions but didn't put the time into making them a thing

>>14263486

>- We need to look at a different system of developing games where the balance of power and decision making isn't placed on a couple of people who ignore team feedback and lead us down the wrong path. It caused a critical failure with Dawn of War 3 and it's now causing our next big game to be an epic failure as well because the team's opinions simply don't matter. It's insane that a couple of team members decide the entire direction of the game without any real effort to get input and buy-in from the team. This approach could work if we had the right visionary type people, but we don't - instead we have design leadership who are invisible, out-of-touch or who are extremely difficult to work with due to their arrogance and bully-like approach.

Who is he talking about?

>>14268836

>being able to zoom in close as well as all the way out to see the entire map makes it much easier to play

>large scale of hundreds of units

>"flux economy" gives you a constant income of resources instead of the classic "pick-up and drop-off" and lets you start construction of buildings/units without having the necessary resources, so resources are spent as they come, which gives you a sense of "building" rather than "buying"

>flux economy also allows for much more flexibility in gameplay

>this economy is supported even more by the use of engineer units, where their 'build rate' is effectively the same as the rate at which they can transfer resources into a construct, which gives more control over the flow of your resources

>flow-field pathfinding that actually works well

>able to put building production queues on loop so you don't have to go back and spam click a unit every few minutes on 50 different factories, which allows you to focus more on actually fighting than autistic micro

That's all the objective things I can think of at the moment. Some subjective things are:

>great campaign

>great factions

>great art style

>cool ass unique, functional units like Cybran's ships that can walk on land

>physical commander on the map in the form of your ACU, giving something to explain how you're controlling everything, and something that you actually really need to defend

>your ACU is customizable

>more strategic gameplay with radars, cloaking, jamming, artillery, and shield bubble buildings

>>14269005

Going back and reading this, I realize I did a terrible job at separating "objective" from "subjective".

>>14269016

You are on /v/, there is no difference.

>>14269032

True.

Thank god. Maybe now Creative Assembly will do something worthwhile with 40k like they did with Fantasy.

>>14269127

I doubt it. Especially since I really don't see 40k working with the TW formula.

>>14263486

WHY the ever living fuck can't they just fucking take DoW1, copy EVERYTHING, add in some better graphics and a new campaign, provide some decent multiplayer options, and call it a day? That's literally all that's required of them. When I like a game, I want the sequel to be the same, but better, I don't want a different fucking genre. Why is this so hard to grasp? It seems like the simplest fucking thing to both figure out and execute, there were masses of people asking for the next DoW, but instead of taking DoW1 (or even DoW2) and just copying that shit while adding some new bells and whistles, they make something fucking nobody had asked for, nobody wants to play, and nobody is going to buy and slap the IP's name on it.

>>14269141

The only hope Relic has is to make a stand alone expansion that plays like the original DOW or just fucking make DOW1 HD.

>>14263891

I've always wanted to know why Generals 2 never leaked if it went into closed beta before being cancelled.

>>14269561

Who cancels a game in beta? That's years of work!

>>14269593

it happens surprisingly often, for reasons I'll never know

>>14269593

EA did, of course.

>>14269735

Isn't that the shitty MOBA? If it's what I'm thinking of, then I played and can see why it was cancelled. It offered literally nothing at all over Dota or even League. In fact, it worse worse in many ways.

Contribute to their bankruptcy.

Pozzed and retarded devs must all be purged.

>>14269593

It happens if the game is sure to lose money no matter what - instead of spending additional 50 milion and earning 30 for a loss of 20+already spent money, it's better to just lose money already spent.

>>14263881

>implying it's not those (((devs))) that're fucking it up on purpose while blaming it on GW like the typical sjws they are.

>>14268565

The guy is likely a literal faggot libshit who's friends with those other literal faggot libshits, THEIR games are better while games made by non-liberal plebs are dead and unPROFTHPITable

>check out 8/2chan's thread about this

>1/3 of the posts is mp vs sp autists

Wew

>>14271952

>2chan's thread

nip nop bing bong oh chin chin

>>14268849

>there was enough people who liked dow2 for there to be a split

yes, it was made by the community.

it is only healthy si it come from the community, (like SSBM was ) but if it is made from the get go for E sport then it fail unless you have huge financial backing .

>>14271859

>Not to mention the generic unit sprites in AoE2 standard are pretty much exactly the same in AoE2 HD,

Your point? The sprites are good, changing them would make the game look worse.

>there's nothing HD

Playable resolution, better compatibility with modern systems, better (still shitty) network support.

>about playing a pre-hispanic american, mideast, african or an asian/jap civ with european-looking units complete with full plate armor and european banners/heraldry.

I genuinely have no idea what you're even going on about here.

>>14272819

This looks like shit.

>and distinctive when compared to other units of different civs

This literally makes units LESS distinctive. The original sprites all are very easy to make out just by their silhouette, whereas these modded ones are cluttered as fuck. I can barely tell what I'm looking at with some of these. Especially the crossbow and arbalest. It's just a pile of pixels. The only ones that look even REMOTELY okay are the skirmishers, and even then they're still inferior to the original.

>>Not getting the point

I think you're the one not getting the point. Cluttering these sprites for the sake of special snowflake bullshit is not an improvement. Having your special snowflake sprites for every faction goes heavily against one of the major things that makes AoE2 good in the first place.

>>14272961

>so what you're saying about pixel clutter is moot

It objectively is not. You can't even see the fucking crossbow or arbalest. They're practically invisible.

>If you don't like it so much then simply restore the backup files, scrap the mod and play it like it is, how hard is that?

What the fuck are you talking about? Or I can just not install this shitty mod, and enjoy the fact that the devs weren't stupid enough to try adding bullshit like this to the base game.

>>14273100

>and I don't see the reason why you're even mad at this mod that was made

I'm not. This was not even remotely what the argument was about you illiterate nigger.

>>14271859

>>14272500

>>14272819

>>14272902

Microsoft announced remakes ("remasters") of all three Age of Empires games along with IV. They are going to release four games in a row and split their player base into oblivion.