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All GTA games that aren't Vice City or GTA IV are incredibly boring. It's weird, I used to love all of them when I was a kid, but nowadays I find VC and IV to be the only playable GTA games.

>>14195580

I'm on board with you. The Underground series was amazing but Most Wanted onward were just dull garbage.

>>14195689

What's wrong with L4D? The gunplay and physics still hold up really well.

>Vice City included

Vice City might have equally bad gameplay as 3 and SA, but I keep coming back because I really enjoy the mission structure and humor. I think VC has the tightest and most non-linear missions among all GTA games. 3 and SA have neither good gameplay or design, that's why I hate them.

>>14195691

>>14195580

All racing games have rubberbanding, run into cop cars on their rears instead of their fronts and you'll get through just fine, clearing the blacklist is the entire point of the game.

I get it if you don't like old racing games anon but jesus.

>>14195731

>wanting the older GTAs remade in a newer engine

listen here you faggot i would honestly and unironically pay full AAA price for San Andreas in IV or V's engine

>>14195867

SA was shit, but VC, say no mo fam.

>>14195878

I hate this new meme about VC being better than SA only because "muh niggers" or "muh aesthetics".

>>14196187

Like >>14195702 said, VC has simply better mission design than SA and as much as I prefer SA because of its map design, I agree with him.

>>14196870

What do you think about The Dark Mod?

>>14195689

My biggest gripe about GTA III and VC are the controls. Funnily enough the PC port controls were an afterthought but I have an easier time playing them because the mouse controls at least give me smoother turning, the controls are fucking atrocious on a gamepad where I'd keep falling into the water trying to get the packages on those tiny ruined wooden houses, it's like those games were created by people still not aware of what a second analog stick can do, SA is still somewhat playable today because of the free camera and 3D movement at least.

>>14196870

Since this is rapidly turning into an unpopular opinions thread lets just say it.

Thief is a pretty bad game series.

The first mission of the first game is kinda alright and then it takes a nosedive with zombies and shit.

As you already pointed out, why does Garret wear tap dancing shoes that make the loudest possible sound whenever he takes a step?

>>14196880

Have to get around to it again. Only played it very briefly once a few years ago. Currently I'm on Deadly Shadows but I'm not sure I will jump in with the DM after nearly a month of Thief. We'll see.

>>14196905

Thief 1 has about a third of the game be those type of missions. It was the first game so it was experimental. Thief 2 is almost all proper stealth missions. You missed out on one of the best missions in either game as well with Assassins.

>>14195702

>What's wrong with L4D? The gunplay still holds up really well.

L4D shouldn't be in this thread simply because the game was shit when it came out and the gunplay is absolute trash. You just mindlessly mow down endless hoards of zombies that can only chip away at your health with the only threat being super enemies that sneak up on you to hold you down as a gimmick to force teamwork. They all have dramatic death animations that make it hard to tell the exact moment they're dead and all the guns sound paper thin. As opposed to zombie panic or killing floor (the mod came out before l4d) where all the enemies pose some sort of serious threat. Even the basic enemy in killing floor can fuck you up simply because they hold you down until you kill them. THE WEAKEST ENEMY IN THE GAME DOES WHAT A SUPER ENEMY DOES IN L4D.

The only redeeming factor of L4D is the gamemode that lets you play as zombies, but even that has devolved into just memorizing all the places you can oneshot players as the charger.

>>14196870

Everyone just wanted to copy metal gear's wall hugging system instead of building off Thieves so the genre was doomed.

>>14196905

>I only played 2 missions into the first game before writing off the series despite the fact every thread mentioning thief says the 2nd game is pure stealth the 1st one is experimental

Found the newfag

>>14196919

>>14196995

>i'm a retard and have the reading comprehension of a dark rock

I said it takes a nosedive right after the first mission, I didn't say i played the first mission and then quit.

Thief 2 doesn't do away with the awful design choices such as shit shoes and bad level design.

>>14196982

L4D2 is good though, I'd say better than Killing Floor because it wasn't transformed into a weapon and skin DLC fiesta and there's no leveling system.

>>14195580

0/10 bait

>>14195580

>>inconsistent physics - I can send a fucking dump truck flying with a porsche, but a shitty cop car can turn into solid granite and weld itself to the ground

Police car physics is consistent across police car, traffic cars are another thing entirely so why would you expect them to behave the same?

The rest isn't worth addressing

>>14195689

>The Source engine is unplayable garbage

Reminder that TF2's optimization gets irreparably worse with every update because the engine is buckling from the sheer number of files the game now has. Where were you when hats killed a game's performance?

I always preferred UG1 to both UG2 and MW.

>>14195611

>>14195689

This is true but Vice City is also garbage. 3, VC, and SA all have the worst gunplay to ever exist, not only extremely unsatisfying but very clunky and overall complete shit, and aside from the gunplay they're fucking boring and only novelty shit, nothing worth talking about. GTA IV is pretty much the only game Rockstar ever made with satisfying gunplay due to the use of the physics engine and nice weapon sounds. GTA 5 was a major step back because weapon damage was reduced but accuracy increased which feels like shit, not to mention the physics engine was nerfed hard for no reason. Pretty much all open world game suffers from these issues, linear is the way to go and fuck you if you disagree.

I replayed GTA IV recently expecting it to be boring trash like I thought it was, but I found myself pleasantly surprised by the fact that shooting a human being actually felt satisfying and not so dull I wanted to alt f4 and never touch it again. This is with the fix for recoil and spread of course, on PC all guns in GTA IV with a keyboard + mouse have perfect accuracy and recoil by default because it's a shitty port.

>>14195702

Guns have literally no recoil whatsoever unless you're using a scoped sniper, everything works with weapon spread which makes it feel like you're shooting bb guns. Also, L4D2 has nothing resembling a physics engine like HL2, and HL2's physics engine was also novelty shit that not only added nothing to gameplay but often inhibited it when you walked over a can of soda which halted your progress of running away from the 10 soldiers shooting at you. All source games aside from CS have this issue, they have no recoil outside of the screen shaking (and it always resets for the next shot.)

>>14197048

>Thief 2 doesn't do away with the awful design choices

>such as bad level design.

Either bait, reddit or discucker.

>>14196870

>Guards have easy AI, except when their vision cones are literally 360 degrees

Unless they're on high alert then it's because of Tfix, unless you like living dangerously and risking a bug that could pretty much make your PC unusable you'll have to live with the twitchy guards.

I find you being upset about the lack of wearing slippers as if that's bad level design pretty silly though because that is the level design, the noisy floors is one of the ways the difficulty of the game is controlled if anything you're not supposed to be able to waltz across the floor like that and you're supposed to use moss and take risks.

>>14196870

>Getting caught is almost always no big deal, you can just outrun the poor AI

>He never played Return to the Cathedral

>>14195691

man, if the remaster turns out to be shit then i lose all hope for video games. theyre all starting to get boring anyway

>>14196982

Ever heard of modded versus servers ?

Pretty much every isometric game. Some people can cope with that viewing angle, but many others frankly find it unintuitive.

>>14198193

You might as well kill yourself now, it's completely different from the original game.

>>14195580 (OP)

>inconsistent physics - I can send a fucking dump truck flying with a porsche, but a shitty cop car can turn into solid granite and weld itself to the ground

No shit, you learn after playing for 5 minutes that cop cars are weighted to fuck to make them a real danger that you can't just plow through.

>>14196636

A few months ago everyone jacked off about how VC had the best "atmosphere" until anons rightfully pointed out that VC is the worst in the series because the only thing it has going for it is the aesthetic of the 80s, which is just accomplished by copy pasting style with no creativity whatsoever. Now we have the same amount of anons praising it for something entirely different than "atmosphere" to pretend they have good reason to like the game.

>>14196870

>>14196905

>>14197048

>Tapdancing shoes

The fuck kind of complaint is this? This is just bitching about muh realism and has nothing to do with good design, stop pushing it so hard.

I think Need for Speed: Porsche Unleashed/2000 is one of the best sim-cade style racers out there. Too bad it's nothing but Porsches.

Anyways, obligatory HL2 post.

>>14198655

The NFS2 was a fun arcade-game. It was easy to get into and the cars weren't too realistic in mind so they were all fun to drive.

>>14195689

What are you, 12? GTA2 was amazing.

>>14197728

I've only played the PC version and it's way too easy. The PS version seems to have actual challenging AI based on what I've seen and read about it.

haha every game because none of them were ever good haha give me upboats and karma r/4chan xDDDDDD

>>14200827

>Doesn't have the NFS3 tracks

>No online multiplayer

>Worse performance with worse graphics

>only pro is insert and play while the PC version has compatibility issues with modern systems

>based on what I've seen and read about it.

The PSX version is the inferior version, play the PC version instead.

>>14197886

But I did. I beat both games all on Expert (except Thieve's Guild, I skipped that shit). RttC allows you run but you do have to fight most things due to being cramped. Then you have to deal with the lame combat .

>>14198744

The controls are shit. Tank control sucks. The cars are also too fast for a top down view game.

>>14205748

Is that Travis from Taxi Driver?

>>14198320

VC was okay, SA was a step up because of the sheer amount of options and features added on in comparison to VC.

3 is easily the worst GTA game.

>>14206245

>sheer amount of options and features

And most of them were useless. Also, the missions became slower and more linear somehow, and the textures looked like shit.

>>14195580

Anything that normalfags like

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>>14195580

>Unpopular opinions thread

Mafia is a garbage, unfun, boring game with poorly thought out camera controls and gunplay. Just recently played through it and man, just everything about it is bad. Where should I start

>Cops: Their cars are ridiculously fast and yet still heavy. Perfect pit-maneuver AI, it's practically impossible to escape them if they don't crash into oncoming traffic or something.

>Tons of cops walking on the sidewalks, literally one every other block if not more. Aren't marked on the map.

>If you're going 1mph over the speed limit they'll instantly recognize it.

>End result is that you're forced to have the speed limiter on 24/7- which is universally 40 mph even on the highway- so you're driving at a crawl everywhere.

>The entire 'wanted' system: only way to get rid of it is to ditch whatever car you're in, which a lot of the time is impossible because said car is required for the mission. Pretty much forced to restart the mission as soon as you get it.

>Horrible gun mechanics, mouse is real floaty, and you have to hold down left mouse to fire.

>Tommy gun is unarguably the best weapon in the game, absolutely no reason to use anything else unless forced

>Free roaming of any kind is a non-option

>Places like the twister gun shop end-game or that one doctor's place aren't marked on the map, no reason why they shouldn't be, so unless you're doing a second playthrough and you have the spot memorized it's impossible to heal yourself without going to the next mission

>Practically all of the missions have you driving across the map and back, remember, with the speed limiter.

>On top of that, on a good portion of them you'll drive across the map, there'll be a cutscene, and then you're launched into combat. If you die, you have to literally start from the beginning and drive across the entire map again.

>Every mission besides the first and second is some variant of 'go here, kill guys, come back'. Very repetitive.

tl;dr Driving is slow & boring, gunplay is shitty, and both make up the entire game. Not to mention plot is worse-than-Mafia II-tier, or the that the voice acting is ridiculously, laughably bad. Some of the problems I had with it were just results of my stupidity On The Whore mission after I jumped out the window, I had 1 health left and thought the game reduced me to that. Spent three hours to get through the cops and the church. or On the very last mission I didn't go to/couldn't find/forgot the gun store and I did the entire thing with weapons I picked up off the enemies but again that's on me. Game is boring. Mafia II is marginally better but neither are what I'd call good.

>>14206269

3 stars a cuckold, VC stars a cuban shitskin and SA is niggers, none of them are very good.

>>14206658

Tommy is Italian, asswipe.

>>14207486

He already said that niggers are no good either.

>>14206511

I thought I was the only guy who hates Mafia. Gotta say I agree with most of these reasons, here's my take though.

>Cops: Their cars are ridiculously fast and yet still heavy.

That's just how it was back in the 30's, I think. Cop cars were relatively fast due to their flathead V8 engine. Nowadays having a V8 isn't all that noteworthy, but back then they were the fastest among most mass produced vehicles.

>If you're going 1mph over the speed limit they'll instantly recognize it

Yeah, speed limit in this game is more of a chore than anything, since most of the time you drive from A to B without time restrictions. The Driver game utilized it much better, it's part of the stealth mechanic, and player have to choose between risking getting caught or getting there faster. As you said, speed limit in Mafia is more of a chore than anything, the only reason to break it is because it's fucking boring having to drive across the map.

>Tons of cops walking on the sidewalks, literally one every other block if not more. Aren't marked on the map.

Agreed, the issue with the cops is their vision cone isn't displayed on the map even though it's crucial for games like this.

>Horrible gun mechanics

Agreed. The gunplay is garbage, the controls are stupid, the animations are floaty, and everyone has too much health.

>Tommy gun is unarguably the best weapon in the game, absolutely no reason to use anything else unless forced

Not really though, its weakness is it's not very concealable. I find myself preferring the magnum sometimes, small and very powerful, with the downside of the lack of ammo.

>Every mission besides the first and second is some variant of 'go here, kill guys, come back'. Very repetitive.

That's not true though. There are a ton of other shits you have to do, which are all railroaded and boring as shit. In fact, I'd still appreciate the game more if the missions were nothing but "go to X and kill", that's how bad it is.

>>14208039

So you deny that the PS version has more challenging AI?

>>14195691

The only problem is Deus Ex did it better.

>>14195731

The PC versions have mouse look, if you weren't aware.

>>14208251

And the controls are still superbly shitty. You can't walk while shooting or aiming, and there's the aiming animation you have to go through everytime you have to shoot, giving your input about 1 second lag.

>>14208251

Also, the mouse sensitivity is absolutely terrible.

>>14203678

The game wants you to advance in a somewhat deliberate pace and to think about how to tackle situations, so co-op may not be ideal for first timers. How to properly deal with the jellies is explained in the game.

That said, the gameplay definitely isn't a flawless masterpiece by any means, it isn't even remotely balanced and some builds will have tougher time with different sections.

Not sure if it counts but the Retro DK games and even the SNES Mario games had tighter controls and better hitboxes than the Rare DK games, thus making Retro DK and Mario superior to Rare DK as platformers. I had a lot of deaths in Rare DK that actually just barely touched the enemy by a few pixelsor whatever.

>holds up

new vegas

mount and blade warband

CoD 4

>doesnt hold up

deus ex

>>14198655

I think HL2 aged fine as long as you install an enb

>>14198251

this, I cant believe I managed to play through Sonic 3d blast or Sonic labyrinth as a kid.

>>14208258

>>14208259

I play SA regularly and it really doesn't have any problems when you set it up properly. You need to adjust your mouse's dpi to fit with whatever the game expects, but otherwise it plays fine. It's been a while since I played VC but I don't remember any glaring issues with that either.

>>14207486

Being a jew is even worse.

>>14211437

It's a fucking videogame anon, it doesn't need to be realistic, it needs to be fun.

>>14211437

>You're a mafioso

Doesn't make the game less shit?

>>14211573

>if you can't stand long ass loading screen, you have ADHD

That's how retarded you sounds.

>Actually I just drove over it and slowed down when I saw a cop or cop car with my eyes rather than relying on a minimap with vision cones

If the draw distance was better and I could control the camera with mouse, I'd agree with this. Then again, there's no reason to speed in Mafia except due to boredom.

>I don't like my games to pander to casuals

Ever played Driver? That game is like 10x harder than Mafia, but fair and not retarded.

>>14212146

>Nigger if you can't be bothered to drive at a reasonable speed across a tiny map that's ADHD even at 40mph you could get across that map in maybe a minute and a half

That's the equivalent of walking simulator. Going from A to B without any challenge whatsoever just because the game requires you to do it with no other option. I don't know how anyone could defend that kind of game design. Those are the segments that are supposed to be cutscenes.

>Also really asking to have police on the minimap with their vision cones on display is casualization just assume that they can see in a cone in front of them like humans

Just try to play Driver and see how well that feature integrates into the game. Especially considering how the police cars are equipped with 440 engine while you only drive a regular pony car 90% of the time, or even a limousine in the final level of the game. This is like complaining that crosshair in a shooter game is casualization. It's casualization in a sense, but without it, a lot of games would be less fun.

>mark and track in stealth games

But that's different. Mark and track lets you know enemies' position from literally any location you choose. Vision cone doesn't let you see beyond the small minimap.

>>14212231

>This is like complaining that crosshair in a shooter game is casualization.

This is more like auto-aim to be honest.

>>14212252

>and listening to a bit of dialogue

You even played the game my nigger? I can think of twice when there was dialogue while driving, and both times it was one sentence.

>for one minute tops

Kek, make it five minutes.

>Saints Row to GTA

Both of which have cop vision cones and don't enforce a speed limit.

>>14213114

Great taste anon.

>14212887

Which GTA game exactly shows cop vision cones on the minimap? In fact I'm pretty sure the 3D-era GTA games didn't show them on the minimap at all but it has been a few years.

>>14212252

>listening to a bit of dialogue

That's one of the most story heavy games I've ever played. But listening to a bit of dialogue was not one of those issues.

>>14205748

There are mods to get San Andreas in IV's engine.

>>14213226

You're correct IV aka the point where the series went to shit was the first to show police on the minimap at all during normal play and it didn't have vision cones. Saints Row 2 did the same. >>14212887 is talking out of his ass and smells like a reddit or cuckchan rapefugee to me.

>>14213351

>He's unironically this mad that someone has different vidya tastes and doesn't gobble shit just because it's old

Keep at it lad

>>14213406

It is incredibly overrated but FF7 is the more overrtated nostalgia game.

>>14213420

FF7 is at least a functional member of it's genre. You can say it's genre is shit but it still functions reasonable well at a game. You can't tell me a 20 FPS action game where you walk through empty field hubs is functional.

>>14213406

Hold on, you think OoT is rated so highly because of speedrunning?

Let me tell you that you're vastly overestimating the amount of influence speedrunning has over the general opinion, which is actually closer to zero.

>>14213458

OoT and Mario 64 were always overrated but Speedrunning made them this legendary game that sits at the top of all speedruns for no good reason.

And these days games are defined more and more by that autism than they are their own quality. When you look at Twitch new releases on the first week there's shit like "day 1 speedruns" and it's just sad. Games no longer has room to breathe, they're just dissected for a novelty number crunching game

>>14213358

How about a few to start, as I legit love Fallout 1 and 2.

Goldeneye and any Shooter on the N64 that isn't an arcade type game like Sin & Punishment or Robotron 64. I could barely tolerate aiming with the N64 controller back then, but now that we have dual analog controllers/Mouse+Keyboard? Fuck that shit.

>>14217818

on anon's behalf

>shit controls

>shit graphics even for a 1996 game

>shit camera perspective

>70% accuracy feels like 20%

>companion controls are utterly lacking

>FO1 is too linear

>FO2 had too much combat

>late quests are shit for both games

Not many people liked Fallout series even back then, if it wasn't for the unique dialogue and setting Fallout wouldn't sell at all.

>>14213495

>for no good reason

They're among the best to do speedrunning in though! You have lots of ways to break the rules, Mario 64 simply has some of the best movement in any game ever, and they're well loved by people.

>Unpopular opinion threads are bad

>Unless the unpopular opinion is that X game is shit

>Then it’s good

Never change, /v/.