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>The Crusaders destroyed my based byzantine Empire.

Yeah and the Byzantines were of course totally innocent in this.

It's not like the Alexios IV persuaded the Westerners to come to his city and conquer it for him. It's not like he appealed to their sense of honor and the Byzantines were totally known to be honorable as fuck. Palace coups are of course something totally unknown in Byzantium. That's totally why it was an outrage that wasn't the Emperor and not because only the Westerners thought the concept of this kind of barbarism isn't acceptable.

And of course the fact that the Crusaders somehow became outraged, when Byzantium trolled them after they conquered the city and put the mutilated Isaac, the father of Alexios IV on the Throne. As you know that totally wasn't against the rules, since mutilation was never used as a byzantine method of disinheritance.

It was again the Crusader's fault for not accepting this humiliation and that the entire reason why they came to the city in the first place was just taken from them. It was totally unreasonable for the Crusaders then to exile Isaac from the city and … Oh. Wait. You are saying they acted totally reasonable by accepting this, but demanding that his son be named Co-Emperor?

Okay, you got me there, but it totally is all the Crusader's fault for the fact that the byzantine mobs attacked them and every "Latin" in a fit of autistic rage. Kinda like they would later treat King Merkel considering she was even hated in Germany for giving Greece way too much money with not hard enough conditions.

And that the Empire was such a mismanaged piece of shit that he wasn't a able to raise the sum of money promised to the Crusaders and them not accepting when he just told them "FUCK OFF FROM MY CITY, YOU GET NOTHING".

I mean how could those evil Crusaders have done that? Honor and kinship meant something in the Byzantine Empire. It's not like the father of the new Empire would tell lies about his own son to get him disposed by calling him a perverted faggo….

Okay okay, but that was just a fluke. I mean why didn't the Crusaders just accept being treated like shit like the HRE-larping FAGGOTS THEY ARE? RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

**(this was literally only half the story, treachery and honorless would continue so much all while the Crusaders witnessed all this in its ugly glory that they called the Greeks worse than Jews.)

The Greek is not only evil, but stupid by provoking the West again and again.**

>>14170344

Which site do you use?

>>14170289

You really are assblasted about the byzantines, arent you?

Are you sure you arent a turk?

>>14170479

I really like playing as them in paradox games.

My most played country in Viccy 2 by far is Greece.

But in another thread a lot of unchecked byzaboo faggotry was going on, so I had to write that up.

I wanted to post this here for more exposure.

I am actually really proud of the fourth Crusade. It really shows the honorable mindset of Westerners about things such as rightful succession. How we are quite tolerant, but also adamant about our righteousness and how we can when pushed too far, can lash out so severly to forever cripple an Empire and transform it into a successor rump state of a succesor rump state.

The last part is honestly overstated by people, considering that the Empire at that point was already split up. I mean there was an Emperor in Achea, an Emperor in Trebizond. They were already a crippled and degenerate late state corrupted Empire at that point.

I am actually more sad that the Latin Empire didn't hold. I would have prefered it if the Normans conquered the Byzantine Empire, because their martial prowess would have maybe revitalized the Empire and made it expand again.

But the Latin Empire was the next best thing.

what's wrong with 4gsg ?

>>14170525

>byzaboo faggotry

It's more about hating turks than loving byzantines.

>>14170525

You literally sperg out in every single thread talking about the byzantines, even if it is just a tangent like the guy asking about hte varangians.

The fact that you describe them as degenerates, wich is the typical turk propaganda, makes your claim of not being a turk less believable.

>>14170552

It's a less fucked up /sc2/, which turned to shit, because no new people would join the general to vitalize it and absolutely no new content in years, which means that eventually people have discussed the game at lenght and only have shiposting left.

>>14170574

I really would like to do an expanding brain meme with the options being from brainlet to most brainy:

>hating the Byzantines because you love the Turks

>Loving the Byzantines because you hate the Turks

>Hating the Byzantines because you hate the Turks

>>14170580

This was the first time. Last time I did that was months ago IIRC and I usually don't do it in /gsg/ threads.

>even if it is just a tangent like the guy asking about hte varangians.

No, it was about the Fourth Crusade, which I am actually very proud of. See here:

> It really shows the honorable mindset of Westerners about things such as rightful succession. How we are quite tolerant, but also adamant about our righteousness and how we can when pushed too far, can lash out so severly to forever cripple an Empire and transform it into a successor rump state of a succesor rump state.

>The fact that you describe them as degenerates

I encourage you to learn more about history and learn about late state empire and the corruption within them. We are actually in a period of decline right now, so it should be easy to relate to.

>wich is the typical turk propaganda, makes your claim of not being a turk less believable.

The Turks were actually really quite similar to the Byzantines in a lot of ways and it really is shameful how the Greeks were happy lapdogs for them. There is a reason why Greek Orthodox Bishops are still in a position of power in middle eastern christianity. They supported the Turkish Regime.

I mean even today the Greek Partriarch has to be a fucking resident of Istanbul. The Humiliation continues.

Also haven't you read how I love playing as the Byzantines?

Anybody knows how to win the independence war as greece in concert of europe for vicky 2?

The greek patriots fuck me up more than the ottomans.

>>14170289

>It's not like the Alexios IV persuaded the Westerners to come to his city and conquer it for him

This right here is why Crusaders were in the wrong. They were supposed to be holy wariors sent to fight for christian faith against mohammedans, yet instead they became no better than a large army of mercenaries that fought not for faith, but for coin and politics against fellow christians, dishonouring themselves and their cause and ultimately helping the very mohammedans they set out to fight by harming the biggest obstacle beetween them and the balkans. The fourth Crusade is complicit in the fall of Constantinople to ottomans, and in Kebab spilling across the balkans. The fourth Crusade is one of the largest stains on the honour of medieval Europe

What was your proudest run in a gsg, anons? I don't have any because I rarely do anything remarkable outside of fucking around in these games.

>>14171281

Are you 12?

Does anyone have that /v/ "best of" list for given video game genres?

>>14171479

Thought if anyone had It'd be here, thanks a ton.

What's the best mod for darkest hour?

>>14171564

Darkest Hour Full aka vanilla. Maybe TRP if you don't mind how railroaded it is or how it's balanced around multiplayer metas.

>>14170193

should i wait for the next paradox game (vicky 3) and get it if its not dumbed down or should i get an older paradox title

>>14170627

jesus christ imagine being this autistic

>>14171611

So is it a mod or just the vanilla game? Can't find it in the OP.

>>14171692

it comes with the game, you just need to launch the game and when the launcher pops out you need to click load a mod and darkest hour full will appear

>>14171737

> (You)

>>14171723

Thanks anon.

>>14171760

>not giving shitposters extra (You)s

>>14171737

wtf, it says you but that wasnt my post

>>14170778

>They were supposed to be holy wariors sent to fight for christian faith against mohammedans

The Byzantines attacked the Crusaders, when they attacked a mosque.

They hold themselves so much back, that even when they were humiliated, not given their due instead of attacking fellow christians they attacked the local muslim population.

>ultimately helping the very mohammedans they set out to fight by harming the biggest obstacle beetween them and the balkans

That is long-term geopolitics.

Also at a certain point it has to be the fault of the Greeks too. There is a big crusader army in your city wating to be payed. At the same time your mob spergs out and attacks Latins.

It's not even moral, but also just plain intelligent to want to pay the Crusaders as soon as possible to get them to leave.

I mean, in some sense the Crusaders really did overreact. But they also got so much loot from the city. Like many multiplications more than what the Emperor gave them already.

The Sacking was brutal. But I don't believe that they planned to set fire that resulted in 100,000 people being homeless. Sometimes that stuff just happens in the chaos.

>The fourth Crusade is complicit in the fall of Constantinople to ottomans, and in Kebab spilling across the balkans.

No. Like 70% of Anatolia was already in the hands of Turks.

And the Nicean Empire, which "restored the Byzantine Empire" (btw I don't think you can speak of the Roman Empire anymore after the fourth Crusade, this was now a rrump state, which became the successor state of a rump state of the Roman Empire) completly abandoned Anatolia. They left it defenseless. They stripped its of its wealth to send it all back to Constantinople. Before that they were able to levy a 15,000 strong army from those still very greek territories.

Also before the fourth crusade, the Empire was already pretty unstable. The same greek successor states that sprung up like the one in greece proper and Trebizond already had a tradition of electing a local Emperors in defiance of Constantinople.

Also it still took over 200 years for the Great City to fall, so you can't say it directly lead to that. Maybe indirectly. 200 years is too long.

>The fourth Crusade is one of the largest stains on the honour of medieval Europe

I personally would say that it was the religious infighting that in some places killed like half of the population for doctrinal reasons that seem petty and insignificant today.

>>14171326

Played as Greece. Took over China. Used the power of the dragon to conquer the world and made Anatolia Greek again.

>>14171682

It's because I love the Byzantines, but also despise mindless byzanbooism.

>>14171737

Okay, maybe that is exaggerated, but I like how we lashed out very harshly, after being very tolerating of the slights against us by those mediterranian Easterners. It reminds me that we Europeans can be the nicest people on the planet, untill we are not and then we are really not nice anymore.

Obvious allegory to the present times of course. :)

I also am proud of it, because as you can see most western Europeans blame themselves in stead of the Byzantines, which just shows that we are the people with the highest sense of moral responsibility. No other people would call something like that the "highest stain of honour". It's only us.

You have to be proud of the bad parts of your history as well, because they are just as much part of you as the good parts. As a German I know this very well, because I am the part of the first Generation, which really dismantled the guilt complex we suffered from.

>>14172161

You've earned another (You), shitposter. Well done :^)

>>14172247

How can you read the last part of my post and still think I am a shitposter? If anything I am autistic for not shitposting and responding so honestlyy.

>>14171362

Got an actual answer?

>>14172348

>got kicked out of Austria and isn't allowed to ever have a political office in Austria if you have the name Habsburg

They really got bfto.

>>14171326

Victoria 2 as Punjab.

Civilized, became a GP, broke the infamy limit and beat the UK/Russian containment wars. Before 1860.

I did cheat for jingoism to add wargoals though.

>>14171737

That wasn't me who posted that, I'm terribly sorry

>>14172348

>inbred niggerlips

>best anything

>>14172404

it's for the better, tbh. nuHabsburgs are a bunch of libshits

>>14173577

;_;7

>>14173559

Is that unibrow fucking real?

Who the fuck is his PR manager?

>>14174142

kill poopskins

>>14174094

>>14174142

Expansion takes a few decades to actually pay off in M&T, since wars are expensive and autonomy is pretty bad. Even if you conquer multiple provinces with no losses you'll actually hurt your military in the short term since it takes so long to core and until you core you pay a manpower/force limit penalty to garrison the territory.

You're probably best off trying to get a good ally for fighting the Ottomans and looking to see which small nations have no allies and can be easily warred and vassalized. Try not to wipe the army of whoever you are vassalizing since it's really expensive to replace and the AI will probably never do so as a small nation.

Can I even rely in destroying the Ottomans manpower reserves to push them back later?

>>14174257

Yeah, War Dynamism will eventually get you it if you can hold it for a few years. It's a random event after 1 year IIRC.

Losing the naval fight is probably going to screw you unless you get good rolls in land combat. The ideal trick is to win with your navy and trap the Ottoman army in Lesvos. I should have mentioned that milking minor states for money to build a navy would help.

>>14174266

You can, unlike in Vanilla money is much more scarce and the Ottomans won't be able to just merc spam. They will be able to milk their estates though.

Ottoroaches are total bullshit I have 11k vs 8k for them.

And a reinforcement army of 3k and they still win.

How are you even supposed to beat them???

And my general has 5/2

>>14174720

no polska

Kurwa/10

>>14174724

But there is. It's integrated into Germany. Poland will allow Germany to reach the Stars, I am sure.

>>14174720

>Africa not controlled by white nations

>Africans still alive, anywhere

>dune coons have their own nations

>Korea split

>northern Mexico not American

>Canada not American

>Cuba not American

>Panama Canal not American

>Suez Canal not British

>South Africa doesn’t include Botswana and Namibia

4/10

>>14174756

Sorry, I only focused on Europe and stuff.

So i want to play EU4 played vanilla few years back did it get better or is it still piss easy?

>>14174803

It's bloated as fuck. And still easy, but the bloat made it tedious.

>>14174829

Fuck i just want to play a good medival Grand strategy but it seems there are none

>>14174944

If you had been observing them like I have you would know they accuse anyone who likes germany of being a larping american.

Someone give me a good map I can paintbucket please. The other one sucked.

>>14174968

Is it just because their low effort photoshop comics started getting them banned so they had to move on to a new Ebin May May to le troll those ebil Not Zhi’s?

>>14179307

>independent sweden

>independent netherlands

>independent arabia persia china and japan

what a faggot

So, is Stellaris finally going to be decent with the supposedly yuge 2.0 or is it still going to be somewhat neat exploration that gets really repetitive, a hollow mid-game with nothing to do except build up and dumb AI accompanied by a war system that lets you take 2 systems for waging 25 years wars after launching your doomstack against theirs?

>>14179307

I would, if you posted a map with current borders, so I could adjust them.

Otherwise my autism would force me to first make the modern borders.

>>14180036

>a normal post WW2 map with partitioned Sweden and some Middle East changes

boring/10

>>14180036

>german empire

>not austrian empire

1/10

>>14180735

>letting neo persia have all the oil reserves on this planet

>straight line seperating nordic empire and neo roma

>letting mongorians have european territory

>having the Nile as a border instead of letting one side control both sides

>mixing up Germanics and Latins into one superstate

>USA not balkanized

>>14180763

>thats not even half the oil in the world, besides, they'd still be dependant on trade

>rome doesnt care about expansion into subhuman territory

>mongolians need a road to give tribute to rome

>rome needs bread

>implying its not rightfully roman clay

>usa is run by companies now

>>14180735

>blending with mexicans AND hondurans

Should've painted the entire continent yellow.

>>14180735

Empires tend to have concentrated parts close by and vast tracts of borderlands. They're not like nations, the borders are not fixed

>>14180921

It's about breeding and not map conquering autism.

>>14180925

My point exactly. Most of the unifications i suggested have admixure to a large degree and share so much genetic material they're hard to tell apart.

>>14180929

Exactly. Cool, isn't it?

>>14180472

I play my own weeaboo music or weeaboo jazz music.

>>14181169

Because many great powers like making themselves look good in the eyes of the masses by protecting small irrelevant shitholes, and in return the irrelevant shitholes are always more than happy to oblige in being protected.

>>14174720

>germanyblob

>italy split in half

>scandinavia

>two koreas

>two chinas

>fucking kurdistan or whatever the fuck that's supposed to be

>that retarded Greenland

>that Antarctica

>USA existing instead of being split into separate, independent states

0/10, not perfect at all, just a meme-filled shitpile

>>14172348

>slavshitburgs who tried to replace germans with slavs

>>14181896

You should just poo on them

>>14181896

>12 demesne

Have you not been upgrading, or do you have shitty martial? You should be able to destroy everyone but Abbasids and Byzantium/HRE without even needing vassals at this point.

>>14182171

Firstly if your guy has good martial that will increase your overall levy. Also you do know that you have to upgrade your holdings by building shit in them right?

>>14182509

It doesn't effect your demense size but it does effect the amount of personal levy that you can pull together and if you have 12 fully developed counties then you should have a massive personal army to pull from. Add in a personal retinue of shock troops and you've got an unbeatable army

>>14182733

>not having a capital duchy which is primo

If you don't expand your shit then you're just going to be behind everyone else in terms of army size. Even if you lose the province you can always get it back or it just means that you get even more vassle levy. By not upgrading your holdings you've just made the game harder on yourself by not having the ability to form massive armies.

>>14183160

Bigger vassals are only a problem if you let them become one. Viceroyalities, diplomacy focus, and the occasional incitement of rebels are your best friends when empire building. After all the diplo focus allows you make friends really easily so if you have one larger vassal you can normally keep them your friend forever and plot to kill any of their decedents who have traits which will cause them to hate you. Also you said that you put it in your capital, do you mean you have all of your main Duchy's counties fully upgrade and held by you?

>>14181684

>>italy split in half

Look up Lega Nord.

>scandinavia

Why not? Their languages are almost like dialects. It's even more similar to each other than Italian languages are to each other.

I only focused on Europe btw.

>>fucking kurdistan or whatever the fuck that's supposed to be

It's new crusader states, fit for colonization.

>>USA existing instead of being split into separate, independent states

Would have done int.

>>14183505

>Look up Lega Nord

I know what it is, and Italy split in half remains fucking retarded, espetially with that partition. I could see it as maybe an attempt to unchain the rich north from the southern shithole full of rapefugees today, but then it would hardly be a perfect world or a perfect italy. It would just be an Italy that was so unable to deal with a crisis that it fucking split, which is honestly rather pathetic

>Why not?

Because it was already tried and failed, and if you think Finns have a similar language to Swedes, then you might be on drugs.

>Why not?

Because superstates

>It's new crusader states

no, no, I'm not talking about those (which, by the way, are also fucking retarded. If you wanted a serious de-islamization of that region, you should have used the many christian and pre-islamic groups of native people that have lived there for millenia. Arbirary new state formations that have no definition other than "memes and colonization" are fucking attrocious, may have as well painted the entire planet gray and said "german colonization, lel"), I'm talking about that shitfest east of anatolia that blobs all the way to the caspian sea. The western part of it closely resembles the areas Kurds inhabit, so is that Kurdistan?

>>14180871

>Wanting America to breed with it's niggers

Gross.

>>14180871

Eat shit and die, you fucking egalitarian kike.

>>14174266

man, alot of racism in this general

>>14184032

>I know what it is, and Italy split in half remains fucking retarded, espetially with that partition. I could see it as maybe an attempt to unchain the rich north from the southern shithole full of rapefugees today, but then it would hardly be a perfect world or a perfect italy. It would just be an Italy that was so unable to deal with a crisis that it fucking split, which is honestly rather pathetic

But they are different culturally and have different languages. A North Italian cannot understand a single word a Sicilian says to him.

>Because it was already tried and failed, and if you think Finns have a similar language to Swedes, then you might be on drugs.

We can try again. Also I included Finns, so they can get assimilated. Finns are beautiful people, but have an ugly language.

>so is that Kurdistan?

That is Armenia.

>no, no, I'm not talking about those (which, by the way, are also fucking retarded. If you wanted a serious de-islamization of that region, you should have used the many christian

I did. Nu-Iraq is Assyria for example.

I tried to not redraw the borders and work with what I have, otherwise I would have smoothed out the borders.

>>14184649

But I created a new Germanic masterrace.

>>14184857

>if, in your roleplay, you force europeans to mix their race, you just might be a kike.

Nah. First we create a new unified Germanized Germanic Ethnicity. Then we start annexing territory.

>and one more time how the fuck could you think swedish and finnish are similar languages like wtf bro.

I didn't. I just don't like their language, so they have to be assimilated. :)

>first off, Lega Nord are kosher regionalists

I don't know, man. Nationalism works differently in Europe. Intrinisically everyone knows who the Germans and French are.

But if you said you only want "Americans in your America" than that can mean fucking anything.

>>14184857

>Europeans breeding with other Europeans is race mixing

tfw stupid and hoi3 is confusing

>>14185395

You have any questions? I am pretty much an expert at the game.

>>14185386

Don't see the problem there. Modern Greeks are essentially slavs and turks. No Hellenes to be found anywhere anymore

someone make a fucking rape mod on CKII already

>>14180871

Better, but

>Slovakia not in the gang with Bohemia and Poland

>that german baltic exclave

>spain and portugal under France

>persiablob

>pan-arabia blobbing into ethiopia

There are a few more, but these are the worst offenders. If you want to paint anatolia something interesting, give Greece the Megali idea, antakya to Syria, a kurdish puppet state to the east (puppeted by either Iran or Russia, it'll be the designated shitting state where everyone in the region can dump their kurds), and a small-ish turkish puppet under greece. If you want to do Intermarium, have it be a federation of Bohemia, Slovakia, and Poland.

>>14185535

>>14186451

>>14186712

>ITT people who have never been in Greece and know nothing of history

The "slav" mixing in Greece was debunked by multiple historians the time the first theory was made about it.

Also Greeks mixing with Turks was considered a huge sin during those times and both parties avoided it, except in very rare cases.

I think it's pretty obvious for everyone that Greeks and Turks were two very distinct groups in the ottoman empire and that is seen during 1917.

>>14186804

They had no effect, the opposite of it is far more possible.

If anything its the other way around.

Also just because there is a few bad looking Greeks doesnt mean there are no pure Greeks left.

Anyone knows how I can change culture fast in MEIOU?

Im playing as Byzantines and want to get rid of the Turkroaches in anatolia.

Is there any idea that I can modify in the national ideas that can help me do it faster?

Like culture_cost or culture_conversion_cost ?

Or is there any idea group im not seeing?

I wish you could genocide like in VeF

>>14186835

> but overall the population of greece has turkish admixture, and this is evident in all walks of greek life.

I kinda doubt you have ever been to greece

>>14186902

Whatever, I know better since Im Greek and see more Greeks in one evening that you will your entire life.

>>14186927

>doubting a Greek who lives in Greece if he has ever been in Greece

Brainlet posting to the max

>>14186986

I dont want to see a victoria 3

>>14186986

an actual fucking ww1 trenches and warfare in later game

>>14186986

>even their flag was stolen from the greeks

fucking wew

>let's just arbitrarily delete half the comments in an argument

>>14187273

are the janitors t*rkish?

>>14187278

No they are gr*ek

>>14187273

that's pretty par for the course on nu-/v/ tho.

Which one is better, CK2+ or HIM?

>>14187373

Federation is controlled by the jews

>>14180036

>Antarctica

Why isn't this included in HoI 2 games?

I'd love to try the Neu Swabenland 1945 Germany run.

>>14187373

git gud

>>14187389

HIP makes the game more bearable, also their map is gr8, CK2+ uses the vanilla map which is atrocious.

>>14179508

Fleet caps now, so doomstacks are supposedly less likely (though I think they should probably add attrition to systems to actually stop doomstacks)

TBH naval combat should be made more naval with you not knowing everything (enemy fleets hiding in systems, with more spread out combat etc)

>>14187025

I do, I just don’t want Paradox to be making it, because they’ll shit it up in all the ways already mentioned.

>>14187524

>The crescent was meant to symbolize Diana

You spelled Isis/Ishtar wrong. But is the same goddess under different name as applicable to polytheists.

Allah was an arabian moon god/goddes that was passed down from the Egyptians/Mezos.

>star representing Mary

The star/sun represents Osiris.

Combined as you see on your seals they represent the Osiris myth, the conception of Horus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris_myth. Hence the PENIS on the second seal and the sword besides the moon in the third one.

>>14187545

How come Paradox has no rivals at all? They sell millions of copies on Steam, not to mention all the pirated stuff floating around. Their games are very popular and the modding scene is huge. I thought this amount of concentrated autism would lead to a non-shit /gsg/ game eventually.

>inb4 make one yourself

>>14187636

>it all goes back to the ancient egyptians again

Sometimes I wonder what's the purpose of our own existence at all.

>>14187770

>Sometimes I wonder what's the purpose of our own existence at all.

To become egyptaboos

>>14187789

wewuzism is the one true path of man.

>>14186808

>The "slav" mixing in Greece was debunked by multiple historians the time the first theory was made about it.

Look at the borders of the first Bulgarian Empire.

Lots of Bulgarians moved in and they were assimilated.

>Also Greeks mixing with Turks was considered a huge sin during those times and both parties avoided it, except in very rare cases.

What? Turks are literally more descended converted or assimilated Greeks and Armenians than descended from steppe nomads.

>I think it's pretty obvious for everyone that Greeks and Turks were two very distinct groups in the ottoman empire and that is seen during 1917.

Yes. You are actually completly right. They were distinct RELIGIOUS groups.

Balkan national identity rests on religion first and foremost.

Without religion they would have all just assimilated into turks and like Bosnians and Albanians only developed a national identity when they suddenly found themselves independent or living in a christian country.

>>14186986

>Reminder that t*rks are brainwashed Greeks.

Yup. I am from Germany and we should all deport our turkish guestworkers to Greece so they get a nice population boost and can assimulate them.

>>14186986

What we want:

>Game mechanics with a central design philosophy behind them that all fit well together

What we get:

<Excessive bloaty mc bloatface, roughly a hundred DLCs over the course of 5 years that will completly fuck up the base game and make it into a mess

Also

>Most of the stuff, except for very rare cases is going to be done through game mechanics

<LOL, we will just write Events for everything.

>>14188957

bulgarians aren't slavs, though

>>14189001

They are actually, because slav is not a fucking race. Slav is a culture.

>>14189023

Have you ever met a fucking bulgarian?

>>14189023

also why do you say slav is not a race

>>14189038

I've only seen the bara ones posted on /fit/.

>>14189044

Do you think the Indo-Europeans also genocided everyone who lived in Europe previously or do you think that just because a language spread, doesn't mean that someone conquered and genocided them all?

Do you think the Yugoslavs killed literally everyone in the Balkan area between Germany and the Byzantine Empire?

I don't think how it would be even possible to not think of slav as a culture instead of a race, if you look at Russia.

>>14189044

Because race isn't real you fucking bigot.

>>14189063

a lot of the areas today inhabited by slavs were settled during the migration of nations, with tribal-based societies. I don't imagine the germanic tribes in, say, Poland would just go and breed with Slavs, rather than fucking off to the west. I also can't imagine slavs being all too keen on with breeding with some strange tribe whos language they cannot understand. Just because two people live in the same country does not mean they are going to immediatelly fuck each other and breed. Just look at the many middle eastern native cultures that have remained un-assimilated and racially pure millenia after arabic conquest. You can see this in how similar a facial structure slavs have to each other.

>I don't think how it would be even possible to not think of slav as a culture instead of a race, if you look at Russia.

Why? Because there's a lot of central asian mutts mixed in? Why would you count them as Russian in the first place? Do you call Pakis in London "English" too?

>>14189130

>invade new territory

>locals have grown soft and can't defend themselves

>don't take their women and cuck them

It's like you don't even know what is best in life.

>>14189161

>implying the locals would just raise rape babies and not get rid of them

>>14189130

>I don't imagine the germanic tribes in, say, Poland would just go and breed with Slavs, rather than fucking off to the west.

Why not? Poles aren't that ugly.

> Just because two people live in the same country does not mean they are going to immediatelly fuck each other and breed.

Actually people who neighbour each other tend to intermix a bit.

>Just look at the many middle eastern native cultures that have remained un-assimilated and racially pure millenia after arabic conquest.

That is probably the worst example you could have picked.

Don't you know that Scandinavians founded the Rus? Basically they founded the national identity of Russia. There were also a lot of Sami tribes in the area (related to Finnish) who all got assimilated into Russians.

Do you think that Germans completly genocided Old Prussia or did they convert them to christianity and assimilated them?

Poles have lots of East Germanic admixture. They are not really a different race than us.

>>14189161

>tfw one of your ancestors married a qt old prussian woman and bred her over and over and made many GERMAN kids with her

based

>>14189182

>Why not?

Because why would you breed with foreigners if you could fuck one of your kind?

>Actually people who neighbour each other tend to intermix a bit.

Sure, that's why everyone in the US is either half-nigger or half-mexican. They do not intermix nearly as much as you insinuate

>Don't you know that Scandinavians founded the Rus?

In numbers large enough to matter given the number of slavs in the area? I find that rather doubtful

>Do you think that Germans completly genocided Old Prussia

Actually, the teutonic crusades were pretty damn brutal and many of those who didn't get killed fled. You do not have to completely genocide a population, all you need is to make them so few in number that they become a drop in the ocean

>They are not really a different race than us.

I suppose it depends on just how strict your classification is. Some have it so lax that they think the only race that exists is "human". I do not subscribe to this belief, however.

>>14189255

>Because why would you breed with foreigners if you could fuck one of your kind?

Because borders moved or you moved somewhere else and settled down and have to integrate into their society to survive.

>Sure, that's why everyone in the US is either half-nigger or half-mexican. They do not intermix nearly as much as you insinuate

What the fuck? That is something completly different. You actually think if a Dane and a German married they are racemixing?

>In numbers large enough to matter given the number of slavs in the area? I find that rather doubtful

Pick up a history book. The Rurikovichs were the ruling dynasty of the russian principalities for many many generations.

>Actually, the teutonic crusades were pretty damn brutal and many of those who didn't get killed fled.

Sure they were, but they didn't kill everyone. But what happened is that German Settlers actually moved into Prussia and together with aggressive conversion, they assimilated.

>Some have it so lax that they think the only race that exists is "human". I do not subscribe to this belief, however.

Obviously that is completly idiotic.

For 2 races to be similar enough where it doesn't matter much anymore, they have to be assimilate-able. So if the kids of a migrating family are indistinguishable from the host population, then they are of at least similar enough race.

That is obviously completly impossible with a black person who moves to Europe.

So true, in that sense Slav is not just a culture, because a black person is never ever going to be a slav. But there is a certain assimilation-potential between european people.

>>14189303

>Because borders moved or you moved somewhere else and settled down and have to integrate into their society to survive.

First of all, slavic borders remained in roughly the same area throughout the ages, second of all many who settle in foreign lands never assimilate, thirdly, migration was nowhere near as common as it is today as peasants were tied to the land

>You actually think if a Dane and a German married they are racemixing?

I do not know enough about Danes to answer that question, but given that, say, the Irish have quite different visage and genetics from, say, a Spaniard, it is clear that something comparable to race mixing would indeed occur.

>The Rurikovichs were the ruling dynasty of the russian principalities for many many generations.

Yes, and? Are you implying there was enough of them to actually shift the genetic balance of Russians as a whole in any significant manner?

>But what happened is that German Settlers actually moved into Prussia and together with aggressive conversion, they assimilated.

Sure, a populous group of settlers came and dissolved the few locals remaining. That can happen. But you imply that the reverse is true, that once slavs came to Europe during the middle ages, they conquered some lands from the german tribes there and somehow bred with them enough to themselves become genetically german.

>So if the kids of a migrating family are indistinguishable from the host population, then they are of at least similar enough race.

Are you saying Jews are the same race as Germans?

>But there is a certain assimilation-potential between european people.

I do not dispute that, but to say that whites as a whole are a single race is simply not true either. There are rather clear and significant genetical differences between them. Let me give you an example: A moroccan can assimilate to Spain. A Spaniard can assimilate to Italia. An Italian can assimilate to Switzerland. A Swiss can assimilate to Germany. A German can assimilate to Poland. Therefore, Moroccans are the same race as Poles. Do you see how ridiculous that is? Ability to assimilate is a relative thing, and to base biology off of it is nonsense.

>>14189398

>First of all, slavic borders remained in roughly the same area throughout the ages, second of all many who settle in foreign lands never assimilate, thirdly, migration was nowhere near as common as it is today as peasants were tied to the land

Nah. See Wends and Prussia.

> thirdly, migration was nowhere near as common as it is today as peasants were tied to the land

Well, depends what you mean by that. Nothing about what is happening today is common.

But it was never a problem before, because europeans are assimilate-able to each other.

That is completly impossible with Muslims and Africans. They are an indigestible mass inside Europe and will not be here forever.

>the Irish have quite different visage and genetics from, say, a Spaniard, it is clear that something comparable to race mixing would indeed occur.

I'd say that depends. In the North of Spain you can find a lot of people of rather pale complexion.

>A moroccan can assimilate to Spain.

While in the South, something like that might be true.

>Yes, and? Are you implying there was enough of them to actually shift the genetic balance of Russians as a whole in any significant manner?

Well that is difficult to say, because of the broad genetic range of Russians. Some could basically pass for scandis.

>But you imply that the reverse is true, that once slavs came to Europe during the middle ages, they conquered some lands from the german tribes there and somehow bred with them enough to themselves become genetically german.

I wouldn't say genetically german(ic), because that implies that they are completly german.

But I believe that they have quite some east germanic admixture.

>Are you saying Jews are the same race as Germans?

No, they are semitic and ever since /pol/ I can really make out their semitic features.

>Do you see how ridiculous that is?

Take note. I did say similar race, not the same race. Also the thing is that Spain and Italy has quite a stark north-south divide.

Also obviously that is only theory, because today Muslims even if you somehow could find a really white Muroccan, he is never going to assimilate, if he came here with his family.

>>14189463

i would argue against that, assimilation is possible if a person is open to other opinions and beliefs.

it also depends on ones definition of assimilation, if you mean as in act completely and utterly like the native people of the land than it is possible, look England and the US, there are plenty of minorities who are in these countries that have assimilated pretty well, ive seen this here in Libya, there are PLENTY of Sub-Saharan African immigrants with completely alien beliefs and customs, but after some time, usually generations, they become a part of the community, there are black Libyans who are indistinguishably in their accent and mannerisms with other Libyans

while yes it is extremely difficult to expect that of an immigrant in Europe, it should not be unexpected of his children to assimilate fully, it only takes a generation at times for full assimilation to occur,

>>14190317

I assume you’re talking about the Scots and the Welsh when referring to minority groups in Britain.

But in America? Are you talking about the Natives?

>>14190369

uhmmm, no im talking about minorities in general, and how they can assimilate no matter how different their native land is if given enough time, also i dont mean ALL of them , some will be stubborn and will even hinder their children progress at assimilation in an effort to preserve their values, some will form communities to prevent too much mixing with the natives (ive seen some pakis do this in England).

the Natives in the US kind of killed themselves off in terms of identity, they dont have a religion and their culture is pretty barren nowdays, while they do cling to it regardless, they are sort of like what the scots are to the brits, they are different in some ways but overall they are pretty much the same now (and i mean the ones who dont live in the tribal territories by the way, those guys are unique)

>>14190565

How did you get the greek parts of the ottomans without peacing them? War dynamicism doesn't trigger for same culture provinces without cores until dip or adm tech 9

>>14190310

An alternative way of doing it is to demand dodecanesia from the knights, get military access from genoa and then trap the ottomans on chios

>>14190722

I had cores on all of those provinces

>>14190317

Nope. It's impossible if you are of another race than the native people of the host country.

You have to be indistinguishable from the natives.

> there are black Libyans who are indistinguishably in their accent and mannerisms with other Libyans

I am not going to talk about non-european countries. You have to distinguish between them and european countries, because of the unique assimilation-effect Islam had on local cultures.

Also I doubt that honestly. Lybians and other arabs are very casually racist. They still would view black Lybians as something "other". Also you can see that in how they are trying to get rid of their "Undesireable" by sending them to Europe.

>>14189463

>No, they are semitic and ever since /pol/ I can really make out their semitic features.

You could make out slavic features or features of other such groups too if you trained in spotting them as much as you trained in spotting jews.

>I did say similar race, not the same race.

In that case, you do admit that there are different races among the european people, which was my point all along.

>>14190317

>>14190455

Assimilation is impossible for such cases, as even if said person completely adopted the culture of his host country, anyone can clearly see he remains a nigger and is not european, like >>14191088 said. This is the position that separates /pol/ from civnats – culture is paramount when it comes to assimilation, but so are genetics, and if the genetics are too different, then it is like teaching a horse how to meow and calling it a cat.

>>14191476

>You could make out slavic features or features of other such groups too if you trained in spotting them as much as you trained in spotting jews.

I know about the stereotypical young slavic man face. It actually kinda freaks me out, because I can totally see it even in women. This is what someone who is best friends with a male twin thinks, when he sees his hot sister. She is hot, but you can totally see that dude's face in her.

It actually really disturbes me, because I thought about what if I had a slavic wife and the baby would come out with that kind of face.

Anyway. I really only see it in Russians. Not really in Poles or Yugoslavs.

>In that case, you do admit that there are different races among the european people, which was my point all along.

I am not quite sure if it warrants the term "race", althought I totally admit there are different phenotypes or whatever the proper name is.

>and if the genetics are too different, then it is like teaching a horse how to meow and calling it a cat.

It's important to stress that it's completly impossible for a black person to ever assimilate into any european culture. It's not a question of. Oh, it's very difficult. Like 95% of them fail and only 5% can actually assimilate and become Europeans. No, it's 100% impossible.

Any Immigration program should recongize that only other Europeans can become citizens of a country.

Reminder that East vs. West was 4 years ago.

>>14191740

Well, it was only cancelled last year tho.

Aside from vicky2, are there other gsg with pops or similar mechanics?

>>14190865

IIRC Meiou and taxes only has byzantium having a core on Gelibolu, Were the rest of the cores added through an event or mission or did you manually add cores on all the greek provinces somehow

How do I convert the culture of turks into greeks in anatolia fast?

I want a homogenous empire

pls halp

>>14194182

Download a genocide mod.

>>14194186

Im playing on MEIOU

>>14194223

Just convert them. Historically muslim greeks were turks and orthodox turks were greeks.

They are like good and evil in that regard.

>>14193740

Wow, that speeds up my conquest of anatola by at least 40 years

>>14194182

Turks and greeks have a culture flipping event to speed up cultural conversions between the two, I think the mean time to happen was like 20 years

>>14194423

You mean i genocided all these turks and yourouks for 'nothing'?

Who am I kidding, I'd do that again

>>14192585

Victoria 1 :^)

>>14192585

EU:Rome. EU4 w/ M&T. Stellaris (Do NOT play this)

>>14192036

Anon, war dynamism on Crimea vs the Golden Horde seems to break my game - I can no longer select new cavalry upgraded units afterwards.

You?

>>14191088

youre going to tell me,a Libyan, how Libyans act?

Black Libyans are no diffrent from other Libyans, they have black skin thats it, its seen as a feature onhis body, if you make fun of him for his black skin it would be no diffrent than making fun of someone because ofhis large ears or whatever

also as i said before there are plenty of blacks,pakis whatever in england that are in all ways british, not white, but still british. Sadiq Khan love him or hate him is pretty british in the way he talks and acts, you cant deny that

>>14191476

i never said the person would assimilate fully, his home culture would be too ingrained in him from his childhood, his children (and their children) however could assimilate and be indistinguishable from others in the community (other than how they look of course)

>>14197098

Libyans aren't white.

>>14197142

why wouldit weird you out that i use the internet?

also i lived in england for some time as a kid, i have cousins who have been gone there recently to get their masters, i had no problems growing up among other british kids

the ones that are causing problems are the uneducated, gullible refugees that can be easily lulled into beliving that "The British are bringing you here to slaughter you, band up my brothers, we must fight back, and ISLAM is the way". Most people see through that nonsense but it still drives some towards nonetheless

i understand what you mean, but your solution to this will cause nothing but more death and destruction, you hate Islam? well islam is tearing itself apart nowdays, and Europeans trying to take it out will only cause it to grow and turn into the black piece of shit ISIS,AlQaeda and SA want it to be, and then war will happen, death everywhere.

The people who call for a Race War are idiots, it will solve nothing, rather than solving things peacefully your solution is death, war, violence. its Barbaric, its horrible. Ive seen war, ive fought it in it, you think its glorious?

you think that europe is being flooded with soldiers who want to fight you and everything you love, you think muslims want to wipe you guys out, if we did we would have all rallied behind ISIS or Al Qaeda, i lost an Uncle and 4 cousins to ISIS in 2015, a friend of mine died 2 meters away from me. and you still think i want those guys to succeed?

I Understand, you want to rid your country of all those who want to do harm, but killing everyone who doesn't look like you isn't the way to do it

>>14197192

I never said i was, why would you assume i said that?

>>14197226

Dont bother replying to that turkroach, I filtered him, and the thread quality improved by 100%

>>14197226

Who said anything about killing you?

We will just double our police force, make the army operational and then get rid of all your gibs and reinstate Jus Sanguinis Citzenship and rescind all the citizenship of people, who are not ethnically european.

We are only going to kill you, if you start riots. We will give you enough time to self deport. We will do it in multiple phases, so you can't say it's too sudden. But they will all go.

I mean nothing personal. Ever since I played Age of Empires 2 and Cossacks 1 I liked the excotic Islamic culture. I liked how different your buildings looked and how all the houses were so brightly white. It's a shame I kinda came to dislike it, because I really don't want Islam in my country.

But hey, if your country is ever safe, I would visit it maybe. Probably more likely that it will be Turkey than Lybia, if I am being honest.

Btw if you doubt that it's going to happen, just wait for the next economic crisis, which will catapult the nationalist parties to the very front of the polls. Multiple people already predicted one is going to happen. It's just a matter of time.

I hope for all our sake that it will be peaceful.

>>14197263

most people here call for a Race War, many even want an elimination of any race other than the white race from the world, what your asking for is defnintly more benevolent than the rest but i still dont agree with it

removing people and placing them in countries where they all look like each other will split the word apart, some people may like that but its not my view of an ideal world, im a Humanist, a Globalist as well, a unified world is the best thing in my opinion, there would be many problems but its not impossible

the biggest problem in my opinion is education, smarter people tend to overlook differences in another person and are more open to listening to another person, the most radical people in the world usually happen to be pretty stupid as well, there iss a reason Africans constantly fight with each their rather than get along, they are just not smart, their communities dont encourage education and resort to spirituality rather than logic, you can see a clear difference in Kenya and Ghana where a better standard of living has allowed more Africans to further improve their lives and connect with the rest of the world.

nationalism can work, but for its own country, i want a better world overall,

>>14197226

>>14197098

You fool. Do you not understand that the skin colour alone is enough of a reason to kick a person out? He could be the most British person alive, spend all his days living as a saint, and yet, he should still be deported. Why? Because of his genes. His children will not be white; they will be either black or some shade of shit – they will wreak havoc upon the genetics of their host, no better than a virus. Of course, for someone living in a mongrel shithole like Lybia, such notions must seem foreign, so I don't expect you to understand.

Perhaps if the nigger in question undervent permanent castration before having any kids, he may be allowed to live out his days in Britain (provided he can benefit it in some ways).

>>14197298

The world has managed perfectly without globalism. Trading has been done for centuries, so it's not like the world has ever been split.

>>14172348

If life were like CK2, the Habsburgs would be top of the scoreboard.

>>14197349

Nope. The Fuggers, Rockefellers and Rothchilds would be at the top.

Those are the CHAD dynasties. The Virgin dynasties like the Habsburg get special laws in their own homeland just made for them that prohibit them from ever holding a political office.

Does anyone know why the children of Hindu characters (in CK2 obviously) sometimes end up without a caste? Is it because the mother is not a Hindu or something?

>>14197098

>if you make fun of him for his black skin it would be no diffrent than making fun of someone because ofhis large ears or whatever

Wrong because the size of your ears don't affect your personality or intelligence but your race does. I'm suprised that soyboys like you existed outside of the west, I guess muslims can be cucks as well.

>>14197324

just because its fine doesnt mean it cant be better, and besides its not even fine for some people in other places in the world, im just asking for a better more connected world

>>14197337

i know i dont have a say in this, im just stating my opinion

and yes Europeans do have a high level of trust, but not everyone who has come to your countries has broken it, there are some who have lived in Europe for ages and never tried to shit on your values, its honestly this refugee crisis and the Paki/Indian flood in England that has caused Europeans to get pissed

it doesn't effect only Europeans by the way, these radicals constantly try to force their shitty view on regions in England and Sweden, the sharia zone nonsense isn't being celebrated you know, alot of people have escaped Muslim countries because of shit like that, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are Islamist shitholes and alot of people run away from them because they dont want to live like that

not all arabs want utter domination of Europe, we are not a hivemind, if you want to purge your countries of scum be my guest but dont say that we are among them, we are fighting them too you know

>>14197371

race doesn't effect intelligence or personality, environment does.

>>14197371

I wouldn't call him a cuck. I mean he is a bit naiv and doesn't seem to know that race is more than skin-deep.

Also I would be humanitarian as well. But I am not Lybian. My country is demographically projected to literally kill itself this century, if we don't do anything about it. It would be fucking insane and stupid to not be a Nationalist.

But I mean a third-world country like his, really should become less islamic. Sadly this seems to be only achieveable through secular dictators. I wish it was different. I just don't see any good examples that point to better alternatives.

Democracy in the west is perfect, when it's restricted to men, who have property.

>>14197386

Nah, that makes you pretty normal.

>>14197388

> but not everyone who has come to your countries has broken it

If you actually listen to our right-wing parties talk about. No one is blaming the refugees for coming here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ph_4fciIPQ&t=0s

>that has caused Europeans to get pissed

Sure, that was what really stoked the fires, because of how insane the decision of Merkel was to just open the borders. But under the hood there were lots of problems with the mgirant population. It wasn't all fine before.

>alot of people have escaped Muslim countries because of shit like that, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are Islamist shitholes and alot of people run away from them because they dont want to live like that

You know, I can sympathise with that, but these people bring their problems with them.

>not all arabs want utter domination of Europe, we are not a hivemind

Of course you are not. But the problem is that they certainly aren't going to stand in the way of people, who want to fight us. They are reinforcing the ideology. The muslim woman, who is obedient to her husband is reinforcing islamic ideology. The Europeans who convert to Islam to have the okay of the family of the spouse are reinforcing Islam and parallel socities.

During the terrorist attacks in Sweden, France, Germany, Belgium, not a single case of the muslim community actively helping and preventing terroist attacks was ever reported. They regard each other as traitors, if you work with authorities to stop their radical brethren. You would be probably killed, if you did that.

That is the kind of shit that European really hate. Especially because we don't have that tight-knight community ourselves anymore. We are literally depressed and lonely, because of how low the social trust has fallen.

Our Women's average happyness has continually declined for every decade since the 60s.

>>14197415

Just because you say something so non-sensically, doesn't make it true. Races have different average IQ. There is no way, you are on 8chan and haven't seen the statistics at least once. We even have different skull shapes. Non-Europeans and Middle-Easteners are commonly lactose-intolerant. And so many other things.

>>14197441

>Democracy in the west is perfect, when it's restricted to men, who have property.

Said perfect democracy turned itself into current year democracy through it's own free will, or at least what it believed to be the case.

Democracy just means that media magnates and vote-counters hold the reins of power, not the electorate or the people.

>>14197415

Nice meme, why are ALL niggers fucking retarded then, regardless of if they grew up in African shithole or a middle-class western neighbourhood? Don't bother answering.

>>14197441

I guess it's because Libya, like a lot of other middle-eastern countries, is full of mutts and different races and ethnicities. Some Nothern tribes could pass as European while Southerners are probably >90% nigger.

So when you live like that for centuries and all share the same religion and language due to Arabic conquests you kind of lose grip of who is from where and what race everyone even is.

I'm pretty sure not all Libyans are like him though, racism does exist in the ME and a lot of Arabs fucking hate niggers, much more so than your average white nationalist.

>>14197435

it doesnt just happen, thats not how it works, it requires a spark. you think that everyone goes back and decided lets fix everything and it will just happen? the governments wouldn't allow it, and they wouldn't allow a large crowd to start up, they go down on that shit hard.

The Arab spring happened due to social media and the ability of people to rally unhindered, Saudi Arabia survived the spring because it held a tight grasp on the internet and quickly censored anything that could pose a threat

Even in Europe this happened, it was in a Feudalistic society for so long, there was barley any advancement, barley any rights for anyone, then the Black Plague came and it caused a huge change in the way things were run.

>>14197441

>You know, I can sympathise with that, but these people bring their problems with them.

dude, that makes nonsense, they escaped because of the problems, how would they bring them with them?if you run away from an Islamist society you dont go to another place and decide to turn it Islamist

also yeah you shouldn't expect help from the refugees, the radical minority is dangerous, opposing them, even if your a Muslim, will make you an enemy. they dont want trouble

also the happiness problem is not our fault, we may be another cause for it but that is a whole other subject with a multitude of causes, overuse of social media is the biggest one

>Races have different average IQ. There is no way, you are on 8chan and haven't seen the statistics at least once. We even have different skull shapes. Non-Europeans and Middle-Easteners are commonly lactose-intolerant. And so many other things.

okay. Cranial Capacity does not effect Intelligence, it effects brain size but, but brain size doesn't effect intelligence, if this were true Elephants and sperm whales would rule the earth.

Africans are stupid because they are not in a society that allows you to be smart, there is no education, they rely on shamanism and ridiculous beliefs to for answers about the world. Europeans were like this for some time but a series of events have caused use to get here. ive seen the graphs, they have been refuted. can you indulge me and post one?. i want to know which one you are referring to in particular

>>14197481

>guess

>probably

>pretty sure

not alot of hard evidence there

also dont try to tell me what libya is like, i actually live here, racism exists but its not like we stone niggers in the streets daily

>>14197468

Nah, it happened, because of World War 1. The countries had a limited amount of manpower, they needed to balance between the military and factories, so we pushed women into the work force.

Then the Corporatists of course wanted to keep them there for profit and as competition against men to lower the price of labour.

The same reason why we have and had mass-immgiration from non-european countries into europe.

It's all just greed.

Before that we implemented universal male suffrage, because of the extremely sudden Industrialisation and population growth we had. We created a lot of wealth, but living standards didn't increase fast enough, so to appease the Socialists we expanded voting rights.

>>14197481

>I guess it's because Libya, like a lot of other middle-eastern countries, is full of mutts and different races and ethnicities. Some Nothern tribes could pass as European while Southerners are probably >90% nigger.

Yeah, that's the funny thing. Arab countries are actually incredibly diverse.

>So when you live like that for centuries and all share the same religion and language due to Arabic conquests you kind of lose grip of who is from where and what race everyone even is.

BUT you still have the low social trust, because you just cannot trust general society. I mean look at how paranoid they are, rightfully one should add, about their women. I mean you can't really create an enlightened society, if you can't trust your fellow man to not rape your wife or daughters.

Luckily I am not an Arab and don't have to concern myself with thoughts of how I can improve my country from such an inherently fucked up position. I still wish the few smart and moral ones their best, but this is not my fight.

>>14197571

I agree with you and the webm and that is why I don't want a mass democracy. It's as stupid as being the property of some king, who has no legal restrictions on what he can do with you.

>>14197507

Part of my family is from Morocco and I come there on a yearly basis so you don't need to act like a wise ass, I know enough about this shit as you.

Literally no one likes niggers, even niggers themselves.

>>14197612

then you dont interact with them, i have black Freinds, they are many on campus that get along with others just fine

the overall opinion of the Sub Saharan Africans is low that i agree on, they are misliked, but dont try to tell me tat everyone has some deep hatred for them

>>14197612

>Part of my family

le 56% face

>>14197642

Missing: Aryan Kingdom of Thulê (in modern Argentina)

>>14197588

>that is why I don't want a mass democracy

There hasn't been a democracy in history that didn't either become a liberal democracy or wasn't destroyed by internal or external autocratic forces first. A democracy with suffrage limited to very small numbers of productive people is essentially an open-source dictatorship, with the only difference being virtue-signalling towards a liberal end.

>It's as stupid as being the property of some king, who has no legal restrictions on what he can do with you.

Absolutely Masonic meme right there. If the only thing stopping (or usually, slowing down) the government from oppressing you is a constitution, you should be revolting, not handing over the law to a sanhedrin.

>>14197718

>A democracy with suffrage limited to very small numbers of productive people is essentially an open-source dictatorship, with the only difference being virtue-signalling towards a liberal end.

You either have an agenda to make limited democracy out to be bad or you really really like dictatorships.

>Absolutely Masonic meme right there.

No, it's not. We have a very long legal tradition that we shouldn't just overturn. Some laws aren't even written down, but we still make laws according to them.

For example IIRC in roman or greek times we established to not make laws that are literally targetting only a particular person.

Or guilty until proven innocent. Or a due procedure of law. Or an orderly procedure. So not just mob rule or that the word of the dicator is enough, but that every order has to be given to the appropiate channels. Or that same things should be treated the same.

>If the only thing stopping (or usually, slowing down) the government from oppressing you is a constitution, you should be revolting, not handing over the law to a sanhedrin.

I think you kinda skipped a few steps in making my argument conform in your head to the things libertarians typically say.

But anyway, yes we should be revolting.

I think that the invention of the television kinda reduced the "militancy" of the population, so to speak. Before the TV we were much quicker to get up in arms about something and protest. Now not so much.

>>14197718

>a democracy with limited suffrage

That’s not democracy, dipshit. It’s a republic.

>>14197571

1789, worst day of my life. Absolutism = tyranny is a meme spread by liberals throughout the ages, usually by cherrypicking history. Absolutism gives the person at the top to do as he wills as well as a guarantee that he'll stay at the top until he dies, unless he fucks up enough to be ousted. Democracy, on the other hand, gives little to no power to the person at the top (so nothing ever gets done, for better or for worse), and guarantees him that he's only there for a limited time, so he better start hoarding those bribes because he'll never be in such a great position to get rich again.

With absolutism, you roll a die and hope you'll get a 6 with the next succession and that you won't get a 1. With democracy, you do not roll a die, you will get a 3 every single time, since that's how the system is built – it is a system that incentivises corruption, provides no reason for the person in power to actually care about his country (as opposed to an absolutist, who naturally has a reason as the country is his property and his children will one day inherit it), and even should such a person, such a shining beacon of morality and patriotism, appear, he won't manage to change shit since the system gives him no power.

>>14197752

>So not just mob rule or that the word of the dicator is enough

you make it sound like as if every dictatorship has to be a lawless hellhole, but that is simply not true. Why would a dictator abolish the legal tradition? You argue with Roman law, yet the Roman Empire was literally a dictatorship.

>>14197752

>You either have an agenda to make limited democracy out to be bad or you really really like dictatorships.

Maybe it's just that ye olde liberalism is still as bad now as it was then and treating the metastasis isn't the same as treating the cancer.

>I think you kinda skipped a few steps in making my argument conform in your head to the things libertarians typically say.

I really don't need to do that when I see

>Or a due procedure of law. Or an orderly procedure. So not just mob rule or that the word of the dicator is enough, but that every order has to be given to the appropiate channels.

Literally all judeomasonic memes created because an independent judiciary lets the legal profession paralyze the government, if the mass media and campaign donations don't get there first.

>I think that the invention of the television kinda reduced the "militancy" of the population, so to speak. Before the TV we were much quicker to get up in arms about something and protest. Now not so much.

Lincoln took a shit on the constitution and the people did nothing, Wilson brought the US into WW1 to sustain it's armament trade on the back of a false flag (which would have been legitimate even if the Lusitania were a civilian ship) and then FDR did both together. The US Federal Government still stands after all that and everything from the Bonus Army to Waco, but hey, at least you have the constitution.

>>14197763

lol

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic

>a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy

>a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

>>14197798

>still replying to this moron

just filter him anon for your own sake.

Anyone knows the impact ofcenobium/hermitage/great lavra when playing as Byzantine?

Does anybody here actually play games or are you here just to shitpost?

>>14198173

If it's MEIOU, isn't that in a tooltip? I've never found the choice any kind of monastery or none at all to make a big difference.

>>14198236

/pol/ is run by a crazy t*rk addicted to cough syrup, what do you expect?

>>14198236

was just playing as a pharoah in WtWSMS in CK2.

NOW im here to shitpost

>>14198246

>implying its /pol/ shitposting

probably some spics or turks

>>14197798

>posts definitions that prove him wrong and me right

How about that.

>>14198448

Burn this nigger.

>>14198448

Zeus vult?

>>14198911

Reported for intl. Take your kike false flagging somewhere else.

>>14198944

Did you know kikes were well-established in both Italy and Greece long before charliemango?

I seriously hope you're rusing, my friend.

>>14198448

Fuck it, go for it. I'd like to know if it's there just for the meme, or if MEIOU actally has follow-up flavour events on hellenic BYZ

>>14199550

Zero idea. But I do know after looking it up briefly on the wiki that all MEIOU Euro-polytheisms have the Syncretism mechanic, so you can go full 'Jesus was the Logos/son of Zeus/a cool dude but praise muh Pantheon that are probably semi-fallen angels' heresy mode by half-adopting Orthodox to keep your subjects from entirely despising you while you go through the process of conversion.

Any ck2 mods I should get? I have legacy of Rome ruler designer sword of Islam way of life and the old gods

>>14199752

I'm having alot of fun with When the World Stopped Making Sense

It's like 480 AD till 1453ish

>>14200440

seconding this, fuckton of new religions, almost all regions are fun to play in, even India

>>14198448

Don't burn him, anon.

If you don't go full PLATONIC, at least let him be the ambassador.

>>14199752

get the DLC pack off csrinru then get the Warhammer Fantasy mod pack.

>>14202395

I just started playing. What are some good mods to get? I definitely need some better portraits for one.

>>14202407

HIP or CK2+ and old portrait frames.

>I definitely need some better portraits for one.

That's a submod of HIP but if you don't have a regular windows install you pirated it, you'll need to edit the python script that installs HIP to bypass the dlc check.

>>14198464

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>>14198640

>>14198683

>>14198816

>>14199550

>>14200598

I chose a middle ground and made him my ambassador to the west, now I have a small persecuted community of hellenes in Mylasa.

I kept the save tho, maybe one day I wil ltry the full hellenism route.

Apparently there are some follow up events, like consulting oracles and centralizing the religion.

>>14202620

>not reviving the native faith of your people

>worshipping a semite

You're a cuck mate.

>>14202653

> insta -3 stability

>all provinces in revolt

at least im not stupid

>>14203135

what game even is that?

>>14203558

Poor lad was born without a physical body huh.

>>14203135

Expand whenever you can and steal good generals whenever possible. Also maybe don't start as a nobody so you can actually do something other than run your 100 men to their deaths whenever your lord tells you to.

>>14203558

use console to trigger the child of satan event chain on him

>>14203690

I appreciate the historical accuracy of this game a bit more now.

>>14203732

I've never played that mod before, is it possible to remain a pagan while playing as him or do you have to create islam?

>>14203802

well the character is already in game if you start with the last bookmark (he's 4, he's in the court of his grand father who is the leader of the tribe, you can make him your designated heir as you play a merchant republic), but no events are associated with the character itself, actually the rise of islam event is under development, so you just have a random boy called muhammad who spawns around year 570. 30 years later, another event fires with this guy being the leader of the tribe with a doomstack of 30.000 men and claim on the arabian and sassanid empire, but because it isn't fleshed out yet, there are still many bugs (he doesn't even go further than arabia)

>>14202653

That is implying the hellenic pantheon is the original religion of the greeks.

We dont still know much about the myceans, for all we know they could have been the result of cultural enrichment from the migrating hordes that appeared during the bronze age collapse.

>>14203732

What mod is that

>>14205135

westernization hasn't been part of eu4 for ~4 patches. also ottos got nerfed.

>>14205403

It should be noted that Khorosan and Khwarizm are not muslim nations but are indeed Sogdian Zoroastrian nations. Oh and Farukid is the largest and most powerful Muslim nation left.

>>14205242

>kang of color has the sloth trait

racism much?!?

>>14205437

I wanted a capital that's by the sea but is also considered a holy place to Christians just in case I got buttfucked by Muslims earlier on. I just haven't moved the capital to Jerusalem ever, hell it was never the capital of my nation to begin with.

Oh yeah another thing French culture only exists in Artois the rest of modern day France is Norman (thanks to my early game conquests).

>>14205264

What happened with that Prussia?

>>14205712

The upper portions of Russia should be independent because thats sami clay. The lower most part in the middle east should be Ottomans.

>>14205712

Splitting up Switzerland with Franceand not giving it all to Germany.

I hate this fucking meme. It's geographically extremely ugly to not give it all to Germany.

Also they don't really have a majority in the whole region. Only very small localized ones.

>not giving German Sout-West Africa to an independent South African Federation.

>>14205712

>partitioned slovakia

>ukraine

>hungarian transylvania

>german trentino

>very fucky yugoslavia

>germany expanding one province into poland

>poland owning russian clay

>partitioning switzerland but not belgium

>kurdistan

>italian algeria

>italy owning most of the oil producing regions of the middle east

>that greco-bulgarian border

>entirely independent china blobbing into india

>mongolia

>russia owning worthless afghan territory instead of using it as a buffer between colonial powers

>japan blobbing into russia but not owning rightful korean and chinese clay

>american canada

>fucking quebec

Maps were a mistake.

>>14203840

>he doesn't even go further than arabia

They only managed to conquer as much as they did because the Byzantines and Sassanids were exhausted from fighting a war against each other so if that didn't happen in the game it would be more accurate for them to just stay squatting in their land.

>>14205403

Did you remain Norse? Also, could you post a religious map.

Someone please post the blank map for these.

>>14205712

>>14180871

>>14207746

>>14177797

>>14208017

it would make a fun mod

>>14208457

how about Greece, you dumb faggot?

>>14208457

Jerusalem and Alexandria obviously.

>>14208457

Greece, then restore pentrarchy

>>14208463

>what about greece you dumb faggot

The heart of the byzantine empire is anatolia you pleb.

Also Greece is controlled by greek orthodox vassals, it would be a waste to control them since I cant make enough states and they have shitty development.

>>14208480

See above, Greece is more a burden at this point.

Restoring the patriarchy is gonna be hard but I can try, I dont like conquering muslim lands.

>>14208457

Greece, obviously. Then reclaim Naples.

>>14209039

Just remember you must acquire more tea cups and tea pots than anyone else. Tea cups and tea pots are power and will make good generals respect you more.

>>14209141

A Hyouge Mono reference by any chance?

>>14209141

Should I keep my Conscript-making buildings in my domain after I become a lord or chamberlain? Looks like I can't use them at all, only the conscripts from the castle.

>>14209304

I think they actually give you a bonus to your castles conscripts so yeah I would keep them but what you really want to do is build lumber yards and iron mines wherever you can in your domain as you will probably have to pay for those resources otherwise.

>>14209039

Many thanks.

Why am I LOSING money when I have a positive income in MEIOU ?

>>14208485

The heart of the empire was always constantinople though.

>>14210674

Play mali and turn from tribal into merchant republic.

Enjoy being president of the nigs and giving the BBC to all royal families, moor and christian alike.

>>14211377

just get a mod to give you cassus belis

waiting 20 years because your chancellor is incompetent is not worth it

Where do you guys go to get your mods? Moddb has jackshit

>>14211829

>hey, what's that shitty feature we added to HoI4 to fuck everything up?

<sorry, can you be more specific?

>You know, the one with a long chain of stupid and overpowered country-specific bonuses, so that we can make new DLC to sell for each country with no effort required?

<Ohh, national focuses?

>Yeah, those. Can we get those into EU4 somehow?

>>14211829

HoI4 will forever be remembered as the catalyst for all that is wrong in grand strategy games of the future.

>>14210855

>Play mali and turn from tribal into merchant republic.

easier said than done

unreformed pagan and no major trade route, so i can't convert, as far as i know

>>14213972

>Social Democrat

>Radical Socialist

>Market Liberal

>Syndacalist

>Social Liberal

>…

Just fucking kill me already.

>>14214443

>jihad for persia

>against the byzzies

what?

>>14214467

This shit? https://www.dropbox.com/s/5j0sfja3d4yo5jy/Audax.Validator%20v1.16.7.zip?dl=0

>>14214478

Yes, that's the one. Thank you.

Let's see if I can fix this shit once and for all.

>>14215443

Been revoking privileges?

>>14215681

Whenever I get the chance, fuck the estates is my motto.

Right now im losing corruption because I fucked them over so much…

>>14215782

You want to be continually offering the favors that give corruption in exchange for loyalty.

Eventually they'll be happy and powerless

>>14215839

will keep in mind thanks.

Any tips on what to do with institutions? They are fucking me over bad, im 2-3 tech levels behind than naples.

>>14215869

What are your institutions?

They should spread if you are on good terms with a neighbor.

Tech isn't as important in M&T compared to vanilla, lagging a bit for a time won't kill you. Once all privileges are revoked and you are sitting at 0 corruption you'll catch up quickly. Ideas (especially admin efficiency, -unrest and conversion strength) are more important than tech IMO.

I think you can force institutions to come to you by having a high art value in your capital but the system was kind of screwy and only half-functional last I checked.

>>14216669

Also remember to clear map/history cache. Non-save compatible obviously.

>>14210674

swear fealty if the Ummayads are a higher rank, otherwise steal tech and upgrade your capital to Stone hillfort, then revoke every county that is a tribe and become feudal so that they all become vassal.

also understand that the council will have immense power when you convert, so centralization will be slow

other than that you could restart and go north quickly before the ummayds get in on the fun, reforming the faith is a must when playing as pagans

>>14211470

is there a good list floating around of basic mods that just unshittify the base game?

>>14218477

pirate all the DLC's

the best mods are overhauls and being a beginner you definitely shouldn't be playing them.

you could also use the console to test some stuff out, i did this when starting out and it helped educate me about the game without having to wait 20 years to understand what would happen.

>>14216669

Hotfix for several fucked up map positions, wrong province IDs on some events and other trivial shit. Should be save compatible.

https://mega.nz/#!ZwkAAbTb!rIr_5q1Nxo8NzHqDhXkbO1wAzMCjiKNtQm6XL3H7qbQ

https://pastebin.com/5ArmkNAq

>>14218504

dlc doesn't seem to offer any fix to the glacial simulation speed combined with long stretches where you can't do anything because you're waiting on gold/troops/wars to start or end, nor afk through because of pointless flavour popups and consequential non-popups like faction formation.

basically, i want a mod that makes the game turn based instead of this real time heresy, or at least puts in sane sim speed/autopausing.

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