6c0541 No.14142316
What company should make a new Castlevania 2D platformer and why is it Vanillaware?
Seriously, they should make a fast paced 2D platformer with their amazing art…just imagine it
eb2465 No.14142406
Alternatively, maybe it's time for a 3D Castlevania that isn't totally shit.
2e17ab No.14142421
>>14142406
Legacy of Darkness wasn't shit, m8.
a23146 No.14142491
>>14142406
But anon, it already exist.
197d4d No.14142533
>>14142316
Bring Treasure back to make another Castlevania. IIRC CV4 on SNES was the last game the loosely-defined team at Konami made before they left because Konami are Kona-kikes.
Are Treasure even around anymore? Their GBA games were top notch but since Advance Guardian Heroes, Gunstar Super Heroes and Astro Boy Omega Factor I haven't heard a peep.
>>14142421
My melanin enriched cotton pickin' property. Cornell is probably my favourite male CV character.
708709 No.14142700
I have some hopes for Migami. Lecarde Chronicles 2 wasn't half bad and appearently their next game is more of a standard classicvania than metroidvania.
3a6dbb No.14142752
>>14142491
did anybody actually use the whip though?
7be314 No.14142756
It's not Vanillaware because they have no clue how arcade action design works. If you want a developer who understands old 2D action at a very intimate level and would be great for developing a Castlevania game it's M2. Oh wait, they've already done one in fact.
c95efb No.14142897
>>14142756
I've always wanted to try it. Where can I get the .iso or whatever?
6ffb53 No.14142983
>>14142752
Well I've just started Bloodborne and I picked the threaded cane, does that count?
116fd3 No.14143195
Vanillaware should be artists for hire, and work for developers who do gameplay better than they do.
bc3604 No.14143255
>>14142897
Looks like "Wehackwii" has an upload of it in their NTSC-U WiiWare page. Assuming they keep their uploads maintained that is; page seems to have been last edited five years back.
6ffb53 No.14143312
>>14143195
>>14142316
As much as I like Vanillaware's style I just don't think it fits well with a Castlevania game. I'm not sure who I would pick.
c9ebca No.14143556
>>14142406
You know, shortly after God of War 1 was released, I remember watching a gameplay video of it with some guy narrating over it. I think it was on g4tv or something. I can't really remember. It was so long ago. Anyways, the guy's commentary mentioned that GoW's gameplay was how a quote "3d Castlevania should play like" unquote.
The funny thing is that I can't find that video anywhere anymore, but I still remember that quote for some reason. Years later, when that GoW-like Lords of Shadow game came out, I strangely felt a sense of deja vu when I remembered that this guy's idea actually came true.
f62a9c No.14143570
>>14142316
i would say wayfoward since they put love and effort in their 2D animations but Vanillaware alsi is a good choice
25cc90 No.14143573
Vanillaware can't into gameplay though.
They should make anime with their graphics instead.
6e557f No.14143628
>>14142752
The whips are low-tier but in singleplayer you can make do with most of the weapons if you're a decent player. Also in terms of world design, enemies, and upgrade system, DaS1 is the model for 3D Metroidvania.
>>14142421
It's not good either though, just because people overstate the badness of it. I also personally dislike Cornell and that you have to unlock Carrie in that version. The requirement is relaxed in the Japanese version by opening up Henry's story from the beginning.
381ab4 No.14143645
>>14143628
Dark Souls made damn good use of vertical space. I can imagine if they had the capabilities they would have let you just jump from one area to another with no limit.
a3d81a No.14143653
It is not about which brand name creates it. It is about the individuals that make it. The best team to create a new Castlevania is the team that created past Castlevanias.
Instead of buying the IP or making a contract to create a new iteration, the companies involved should just hire all the former talents available that worked on the franchise to make a new Castlevania. They are the ones that understand the games best.
At the very least, hire people that studied under them.
>>14142406
Lament of Innocence. Good game. Good controls. Good music.
778f18 No.14143671
>>14142756
>It's not Vanillaware because they have no clue how arcade action design works.
>>14143195
>Vanillaware should be artists for hire, and work for developers who do gameplay better than they do.
>>14143573
e6649f No.14143718
They should do Metroid-style games instead.
e4e0d4 No.14143818
I'd rather Vanillaware keep making new IP's and staying motivated instead of creating a stream of stagnating garbage known as a franchise.
ce6bb6 No.14144249
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>vanillaware with their psudo2.5D shit
>not Atlus' LadyBug
You all niggers are missing out on a rising new jap dev that can and will revive 2D platformer action and metroid-like exploration.
a3d81a No.14144409
>>14144249
We want CASATLEVANIA like, not Metroid like. Action first, exploration as an extra.
5a5a6d No.14144414
>>14143718
I wanna seek out and marry princess ahmanet
dc919a No.14144427
>>14144409
>We
Classicvania fags are the biggest cry babies.
6c0541 No.14144446
vanillaware would do it well
trust me
e6fe34 No.14144560
>>14142406
I can't be the only person here who liked Curse of Darkness, right?
afe365 No.14144958
Honestly all anyone wants is a sprite or hand drawn SotN like game it's all anyone here on /v/ or elsewhere fucking wants.
dc919a No.14145024
>>14144560
You're not. I've been playing it recently and it's 9/10. Only problem is map design, since it's corridor galore and most of them are empty, but it has so many cool mechanics, it's amazing and you can't get tired of it.
>>14144958
Igarashi said he went with 2.5D for Bloodstained because it was hard to find sprite people and hand drawing takes too much time. I rather sprite than hand drawing, hand drawing it's overrated.
a3d81a No.14145154
>>14144427
SOTN is the best Castlevania and it IS action first and exploration later. You can rush the whole game or explore. The most fun is fighting with all the special moves that Alcard can have at the beggining. The ones acquired by exploration are a complement. The "Metroid" part must always be optional.
>>14145024
That is the main mistake. "Because it was hard to (insert situation here)" is what starts every bad decision later. The fans of the franchise WANT 2D sprites. He should do it, regardless of what is hard. By trying to circumvent it, he only pisses of the majority of the people interested. We want it = give it to us or you will fail. That "rule" works almost all the time.
dc919a No.14145193
>>14145154
>SOTN is the best Castlevania and it IS action first and exploration later
The misconception with metroidvania is to think you can do exploration or action separately when they both go hand in hand. Metroidvania would be nothing without monsters and boss fights. Granted, it could be better, but that's not the point. Even metroid is pretty much lean to action, with all the boss battles, even when there's better platforming, and I'd say more underwhelming exploration. Metroidvania should be about both, otherwise it'd be a shit walking simulator in 2D or a bear-em-up. Also, another focus nobody bothers to mention is collectibles, like fucking different weapons, items, have a lot of variety, hell, practicality should comes second.
>"Because it was hard to (insert situation here)" is what starts every bad decision later. The fans of the franchise WANT 2D sprites.
I'm not really justifying it, that's just what he said, and it's kinda true. 2D is not famous outside of doujin game, even here most 2D games are indie shit. That being said, maybe the game doesn't do justice to SOTN visually, but the gameplay is there, and it have been in every demo so far.
>We
Stop saying that, faggot. I don't exactly disagree with you, it's the main difference from Bloodstained and Blunder No. 9. Even if the game looks different, as long as it plays the same, or as what people wanted, then it should be alright.
2e17ab No.14145592
>>14144427
Arcade-style Castlevania is far superior to Metroidvania. Sucks 69iq plebians like you are too shit at action games to accept this fact. Perhaps you should stick to watching faggy anime instead of playing videogames.
a3d81a No.14145715
>>14145193
Nothing wrong with WE.
Also, Castlevania is good because of the whole set, and not jst the gameplay. If it plays good, but it is butt ugly to look at, it is detrimental. Won't stop most from buying it, but surely will not sustain the franchise or any game inspired by it. The same applies to the music. If they can't hire (or replicate the work of) Yamane, half of the fun is gone.
9bc14e No.14145760
dc919a No.14145826
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>>14145592
I like both and I don't complain like a faggot. However, Metroidvania revolutionized the franchise and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>14145715
You're advocating for other people when you say your opinion. You don't do that on imageboards where everyone is anonymous. Maybe there are unofficial consensus, but don't go around saying we, because it's just you, faggot.
>The same applies to the music
I actually disagree with you. At the beginning I was actually disappointed by it, but the last trailer had music really similar to SOTN, perhaps way too similar to the point of almost being a carbon copy. Other than that, I agree with you, but wasn't Yamane working on the game? Also, as lackluster as it might see, it certainly won't stop me, considering that I've lost count of how many times I've finished previous Castlevanias.
78d3c3 No.14145840
>>14145592
Who made that meme? That is so fucking bad and the creator has no idea how the meme works. Cringy as fuck
ac584b No.14146314
>They actually manage to translate platforming sections into a tv show.
I doubt they could keep it fresh for very long if they did to many scenes that where basically platforming sessions, but I do want to see more Indiana Jones hijinx.
f976a9 No.14146366
>>14146314
I liked how they give trevor cool whip tricks without going full god of war.
7be314 No.14146967
>>14143255
Looks like all their mediafire links have been removed actually.
ea9757 No.14147229
>>14145024
>>14144560
Curse of Darkness is so fucking good, everything about it. The art, the combat, the weapon progression, it really was the natural progression from the SotN era to the 3D era, it took everything successful about SotN, implemented it in 3D, then improved upon it massively. The only area it faltered was map design and there it failed so badly that it was enough to turn many people away from the game entirely. But if you write off the map design, and you compare how how much love, care, design, and hard work went into curse of darkness, and how that made such a good game in terms of combat, art, music, story, platforming, and world (there was a shit load of off the beaten path stuff like the fight tower, secret bosses, secret weapons, a handful of secret IDs like the pumpkin dude and Isaac's sick ass demon thing) to how mediocre PoR, DoS, AoS, and OoE are it annoys me how people hold up OoE as the last good castlevania and talk about CoD and LoI as if it was some kind of retarded younger cousin of castlevania, the DS castldevanias were such a fucking phone-in.
13f8db No.14147900
Okay. I'm not sure how competent Vanillaware would be at game designing Castlevania. I prefer classicvania myself though I love exploration. My question is will Vanillaware make cute Castlevania monster girls?
903f2b No.14147934
>>14145840
It is successful in that it spreads all over without being forced, and is worth a grin sometimes.
ea9757 No.14148052
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>>14147934
Not him, I think it misses the point a bit, "has a continue screen". Is kind of backwards and also doesn't even mean anything, it'd be more like
>is weak willed, needs a continue screen to keep playing
>works hard, prepared to face consequences and return to main menu
a3d81a No.14148140
>>14145826
Nothing wrong with WE. My opinion is shared by others.
As for the music, i was referring to a new Castlevania if it would be made, and not Bloodstained. On it's music resembling too much SOTN: copies and imitations of good works are preferable than innovative but low quality works. Resembling SOTN was the best thing in this case because of the lack of a proper Castlevania for a long time. The more throwbacks to the best known games, the better, as the fans already have adopted the "spiritual sequel to Castlevania" opinion about Bloodstained.
1c1d13 No.14148166
>>14142316
I'd rather vanillaware make their own original sidescroll IP than tie it to Castlevania
Maybe ancient indian mommy monsters in the old west
1c1d13 No.14148169
ea9757 No.14148280
>>14148169
So, anon, what's your favorite castlevania?
6ffb53 No.14148688
I think all the strife in the Castlevania community comes from the fact that the games were published in a long unbroken chain AND they switched horses in the middle of the stream. You don't see this problem with Ninja Gaiden fans which had a big hiatus between the old games and the new ones. People tend to be either fans of one or the other but there isn't any real hostility between the two groups.
1c1d13 No.14148719
>>14142983
>start ds2 run
>get old whip from crow nest
>motherfucking kicks ass
>breaks after a dozen swings
fucking why
78d3c3 No.14148845
>>14147934
No just the wording you used sounds so cuckish
bc3604 No.14148909
>>14146967
Hmm. Well, Nicoblog does have a JP upload, and being that it's a classic-style Castlevania, I don't imagine that would matter much on "ability to understand the game" end of things. Can be an annoyance to actually reach the download proper at times though, between link shortner redirects and larger games tending to have their files split into multiple megas or whatnot.
>>14143312
Well, assuming bringing Ayami Kojima back to not be possible, the guy that did the official art for Koumajou Densetsu seems good at aping her oil-on-canvas style (most likely the intent, given those games being "Touhouvania"). Though, if you'e talking about the actual character/monster/environment spriting and animation as "art", I'd guess that's another question entirely. Concept art is one thing, but transferring it (well) to an actual game's engine is another.
138161 No.14149067
>>14148719
There's a known bug for PC players where the uncapped framerate results in weapon degradation proccing twice as often.
74f4a1 No.14149091
>>14149067
>>14148719
That bug has been patched though.
f976a9 No.14150062
>>14148166
> mommy monsters in the old west
>>14148169
>*mummy, fuc
Are you sure thats a correction anon?
Id take more cute mummies like ahmanet.
afe365 No.14150695
>>14145024
>hand drawing, hand drawing it's overrated.
When done right it's fucking good and he should of given the fans 2D since it's what we wanted.
9e0ede No.14152466
>>14146366
The Kojima 3d games ended up doing that if I remember correctly.
afe365 No.14153848
So /v/ what would be your ideal 2D SotN like game?
dc5039 No.14154228
>>14153848
It already exists.
432e7f No.14154689
I just want another Rondo of Blood.
7be314 No.14154729
>>14153848
Get rid of the RPG level-up shit entirely and make character progression solely based on equipment.
213ab2 No.14155581
6ffb53 No.14156051
>>14154729
Now that would be interesting.
a3d81a No.14156587
>>14154228
The original is a great game.
This remake is a piece of shit with atrocious "art", made by a pink haired french cuck and his soyboys.
6ffb53 No.14156602
>>14156587
>>14154228
Wasn't there also a spiritual successor to Wonder Boy that was suppose to come out?
dc5039 No.14157209
>>14155581
Not THAT kind of trap, silly.
>>14156587
The character designs are questionable, but the backgrounds are gorgeous, and the new music is lovely. Besides, you can always pirate it if you don't want to support nu-males.
>>14156602
Monster Boy? It comes out sometime this year.
565863 No.14157279
9d8d84 No.14157308
>>14157279
It's never fun being dependent on grinding for decent items. There's also PoR/OoE when playing on level 1 hard mode, but it's suffering to beat under those conditions, especially OoE. In SotN you can force your level to 99 with hacks which works surprisingly well until you get to the final boss, and as long as you aren't using the overly broken rubbish like the Alucard Shield.
7be314 No.14157334
>>14157279
That's just a shitty mashup. Here's what it looks like in a proper game. Of course you can add unique enemy drops if you want. But there should be gear strewn around places, as it usually is in the Metroid-style games.
a47d3f No.14157343
I require big titty vampstresses.
c7a32f No.14157395
>>14157343
I should probably actually play that game sometime since I have it installed.
a47d3f No.14157425
>>14157395
It's pretty alright, especially for a seemingly budget title. Has decent difficulty ramp up and stuff, about all I found odd was navigating to particular areas at times.
6e9e86 No.14157451
a47d3f No.14157467
>>14157451
The Vagrant. I forget the name half the time myself.
6e9e86 No.14157480
>>14157467
Thank you anon!
6e9e86 No.14157486
>>14157451
>>14157480
Oh fug, I didn't mean to have that flag on.
Please ignore that.
9d8d84 No.14157499
>>14157467
Was wondering the same thing, cheers.
>>14157486
Forgiven for best Neptunia.
a3d81a No.14158920
>>14157209
Piracy, yes. But giving praise or getting used to games made by numales will enable then to keep working in the industry. They need to be purged.
>>>>14154729
That would be perfect. But single player only. And no random drops. Items got from Bosses or from exploration only.
0b1553 No.14159741
One of my favorite is Castlevania: Circle of the Moon. Would love to see a proper remake of Castlvania 2 similar to AM2R where they bring the game up to "modern" Metroidvania standards.
>>14145840
>>14145592
literally an edit of a post exodus Cuckchan meme that some fag from TRS created for his facebook page. Its shilled her ether by TRSodomites or by Cuckchan refugees or by faggots trying to pretend to be cuckchan refugees. Just ignore and report the forced facebook meme.
>>14154228
>>14156587
>remake is a piece of shit with atrocious "art"
Anon, stop trying to hard to "fit in". The remake is literally just the original game with a reskin and the art is excellent. The only issue with it is the price tag because its so easy to play the original for free.
>>14143628
Nintendo licensed 3'rd Person DkS style (in terms of Map design) Metriod when?
a3d81a No.14159837
>>14159741
Atrocious low effort art. The original has everything done right, it is free, by acquiring it and playing it, and you won't give money to pink haired french cucks nor will you incentive more atrocious remade graphics of good games.
dc919a No.14159853
>>14157279
No it didn't. There still was a leveling system but for the life of me I never could figure it out even when I spent a good 100+ hours on it.
>>14157308
My problem was that items came from chests instead of regular enemies or even bosses as drop. Sure, there was the boss chest that came out depending on performance, and the super rare chest that usually needed 3 or more people in order to open it. I really didn't like the arcade aspect of it either, would have rather a normal metroidvania with 2 players co-op like what PoR could have been.
>>14158920
>No random drops
Then what would be the point of collecting items?
0b1553 No.14159866
>>14159837
>Atrocious low effort art.
but anon its not atrocious art, that is just a ridiculous level of trying too hard to be a curmudgeon in hopes to fit in. Its actually beautifully animation. But art aside, I am not suggesting someone spend money on it on account of it being the same exact game with just an aesthetic and sound improvement.
6a0c57 No.14159994
>>14144560
Nope. Shit was pretty damn comfy and kickin' with the environments. Suffered with the empty aspects, but bossfights made up for it. Familiar & crafting system were also pretty damn fun.
dc919a No.14160224
>>14159884
>Meme potential
Go back to kekistan subreddit or something.
0d4581 No.14161183
>>14159994
The environments were the worst part of the game. Long tunnels with none of the detail or charm that the 2D games had. Just compare the gorgeous or comfy environments of SOTN to the barren hallways of nothing in CoD.
7be314 No.14161229
>>14161183
>barren hallways of nothing
Describes Symphony of the Night just as easily.
dc919a No.14161290
>>14161183
>Environment = Map design
But you're right, most areas of the game feel sterile, with no details whatsoever.
>>14161229
>Having little enemies = Empty hallways
SOTN hallways were always pretty to look like. The background was either varied or had little details worth looking at. Take the Marble Gallery long ass corridor, there were the actual marble statues and there was an eye looking at you from the background.
b9684a No.14161299
>>14142316
or just you know, make a good game instead
6ffb53 No.14161362
>>14161110
>It shouldnt be 2D
Unless they make it a soulslike game then forget it.
0b1553 No.14161371
Castlevania 3 is best Classic Vania Circle of the Moon is best Metriodvania~~!!!
>>14159884
>verging walk is literally a post exodus cuckchan meme
>virgin vs chad is variant of verging walk
>b.b.b.but peeh peeh the frog! The Golden peep!
reported
0b1553 No.14161379
dc919a No.14161471
>>14161362
>Souls™-like experience
No thanks.
>>14161371
>Castlevania 3 is best
Good
>CotM is best anything
>Defending normalfagbook memes
>That way of correcting his post
Kill yourself.
6ffb53 No.14161518
>>14161471
I was thinking more like Bloodborne but with more than two "whips".
Maybe a 3D Haunted Castle would be good with the whip → morning star → sword progression could be fun.
>Souls™-like experience
Lorefags ruined a perfectly good game series.
e40346 No.14161589
>>14154729
I believe that fangame The Lecarde Chronicles 2 does that. It looks pretty good, gotta try it myself one of these days.
0b1553 No.14161618
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>>14161471
>implying making fun of facebook meme is defending them
play attention
>>14161589
I am sorta optimistic about Lecarde Chronicles 2 when its finished but the pixel art and animation needs some improvement as it currently stands.
c7a32f No.14162286
>>14157425
My PC is a bit iffy right now but I figured it might actually be out of EA by the time I get it fixed. Still got my fingers crossed for some Vanillaware games to get ported to PC.
651a8e No.14162726
>>14159837
What did they do? I've heard similar things about the System Shock and Rez remakes.
1af8b0 No.14165051
>>14154228
>Game was played by a tranny on agdq
that should tell you a lot about it
78b8b5 No.14173147
The only way I feel like Castlevania can prosper at this point is through retro throwbacks and homebrewing. I would be great to see a bigger company getting involved in a homebrew Dreamcast title.
6ffb53 No.14173291
>>14165051
>played by a tranny on agdq
If that's your criteria for not liking a game then you might as well just stop playing games all together.
>>14173147
>The only way I feel like Castlevania can prosper at this point is through retro throwbacks and homebrewing.
That's what I want to see too.
1af8b0 No.14173441
>>14173291
>"remake"
>shitty "art"
>you can choose to use the original art IN GAME
<tranny refuses
>there's an option to choose an mc GIRL for no fucking reason
>on a game called wonder BOY
<of course you know what it did pick
>game is a boring faux action platformer walking simulator
tl;dr trannies don't pick difficult games, that's why they are an indicator of shit taste
c80dc7 No.14173582
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Is there an unwritten rule that clock tower levels in metroidvanias should have the best music in the game?
Hell even that one mummy game has the best track in the clocktower.
dc919a No.14174253
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>>14173582
I don't know why, but it's true
4047b5 No.14174289
>>14173441
the new art is fantastic unless you're some pretentious hipster.
dc919a No.14174526
>>14154228
>>14173441
>>14174289
>Get curios and compare the original art and the remake
>The remake looks fine
Yes, it screams tumblr, but that doesn't mean it's bad, it looks aesthetically good. I might pirate it later.
a3d81a No.14174933
>>14159853
You get them by exploring or defeating bosses. Not random drops to farm from enemies. Definitive drops from especific bosses or enemies without the random aspect.
>>14159866
The animation maybe be whatever. The art is still atrocious.
>>14173582
Not the best, but surely one of the top 3.
>>14174289
No pretentions or hipsters here. You are a soyboy cuck that like atrocious art made by and for fag abominations.
The original art was great. Manga inspired take on european fantasy.
The new one is a post modern mess, even though it was done by an european, who should know best abour creating beauty, but is a fag and thus, can only create ugliness.
also, the girl thing. Put there for no reason than virtue signaling.
Pirate the original, avoid this AIDS of a remake.
dc919a No.14174956
>>14174933
>without the random aspect.
Still sounds shitty to me. I'm not defending the grinding it may take to get an specific weapon as a random drop, but in each playthrough you get the possibility of getting different gear, stronger or weaker, from enemies, with some cool secrets you could get. Everything being handed to you by defeating enemies as definitive drops sounds really boring even if there are hidden bosses with powerful weapons. The point is the variety of weapons.
c80dc7 No.14175164
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>>14173582
I wish this game had better bosses.
b54923 No.14175862
>>14142316
>Vanillaware
I dunno. Their games look and sound fantastic, but they cannot do level design.