b5f4b6 No.14138387
The announcement of the new Total War got me thinking–Aside from Koei, why do we never see any games set in China? Its a massive and potential market for games. Some bullshit chinkthorian trade laws? And for that matter, why is every game that is set their set in the Three Kingdoms era rather than say, the Mongolian conquest, Ming era, etc?
09ba00 No.14138411
t. ling ping ching chong mao pow wong ting mang
40b42f No.14138447
8f0d32 No.14138524
because nobody likes chinamen, chinaman
55918e No.14138568
>Aside from Koei, why do we never see any games set in China?
Because Asians know more about it's history than western countries and China doesn't buy games, they buy micro transactions unless the game is 2 dollars.
5fc2c2 No.14138626
>>14138387
>why do we never see any games set in China?
I'm sure the chinese have shitty games that never leave their country that are set there.
>why is every game that is set their set in the Three Kingdoms era rather than say, the Mongolian conquest, Ming era, etc?
Because the romance of the three kingdoms and journey to the west are the two most well-known stories from China, other than that most people don't know the country aside from fast food.
470c62 No.14138668
>>14138387
What the fuck do you think Communism does to a fucking country? They literally destroy culture and history for personal gain.
a5c489 No.14138961
They have literal thousands china games being made in china, specially blatant western clones
we just don't know it because the western market is biggot and cares shit about anything else besides their bellybutton (that being america and europe)
and besides japan there really isn't any games paying with setting outside of those core countries, are there?
I bet you never seen a game based on mexico, or south america, or africa, or even pajeet shit
3ec718 No.14138967
Why aren't there more games set in pre-t*rk Anatolia?
d12bfd No.14139069
>>14138387
>why do we never see any games set in China?
This game used to cause a lot of butthurt to burgers back in the day. Sad that people already forgot all about it.
509fc9 No.14139322
I know that the chinese communist party not wanting anyone to make games that is even slightly mean to CCP. So a lot of people end up only making stuff about the three kingdoms since the CCP wont chop your dick off for making a game about it.
99% of china games are mobile shit though so you really shouldn't care.
fa0c5a No.14139340
Two guys from the team that made the last good Total War have just made a 4x that takes place in China.
5495c2 No.14139355
Because china really isn't making games other then shovelware mobileshit right now. As stupid and cancerous SJW's are about """diversity"" in terms of pushing minority characters in games or in jobs; there's a kernel of truth in that if you get a bunch of people from a given culture making shit, they'll draw from their influences and roots. If actual game development takes off in China, you'll see more chinese themed vidya. Same Latin America: If game development gets big in mexico and peru, expect Aztec and Incan vidya respectively.
If SJW's weren't stuck up their own ass, they'd be encouraging that along with diversity of settings and concepts, not just having token black/women/gay characters
2b0c61 No.14139371
Tale of Wuxia is a decent RPG + VN + Spreadsheet simulator. Though I should warn you that the translation is spotty in certain zones, in that they forgot to translate into English, and that you will need a guide in order to know when certain events will happen and what are their requirements, but at least you can get a harem ending.
efc01e No.14139388
>>14139371
And the fact a large patch that added a lot of new content isn't translated. Fucking Chinks, and it's even one of the rare games with a harem route.
df6dc2 No.14148722
>>14138967
because you filthy greeks are just as bad
pay debnts
ec48d4 No.14148761
Reminder china just put 1 million chinks into a chinese equivalent of the JIDF and are targeting imageboards and forums to increase pro-china sentiment.
If you have lived with a chink you know why the racism is deserved.
5c89b2 No.14148822
>what about Dynasty Warriors?
Because communism fucking killed whatever chinese culture and history was left after multiple civil wars, boxer rebellion and the sino Japanese war. Anything left is whatever Western explorers took with them during the way back when days.
So You may as well be writing fiction when it comes to history after the three kingdoms cause It's pretty godamn boring and monotonous. A cycle of coups, corruption and getting our asses kicked by other countries because of said corrupt government and other jewery. Buuut doing that will probably get you arrested the executed next time you visit China.
5c89b2 No.14148839
>>14148761
Ha. good luck with that, even other chinese people hate chinese people.
>tell us your story bro
9f6456 No.14149300
I understand the negative sentiment about PRC but what about Taiwan? They are also chinese, why don't they make any vidya about china?
073d7b No.14149360
>>14149300
They do make some, just not translated. Same for HK.
And again, Koei makes everything.
2b0c61 No.14149505
>>14148822
>getting our asses kicked
>our
I thought you chinks were contained to the government approved websites.
4e5468 No.14149524
>>14148761
>its ok when usa and israel do it!
lol jewpig
8925cd No.14150124
>>14138961
Well there is that expansion to medieval 2 based around the conquest of mexico by the spaniards, also that mount & blade clone based on the caribbean.
>>14139069
Wich game?
>>14148822
Tell us more about china.
ec48d4 No.14150166
>>14149524
I never said it was okay for anyone to do. In fact I'd say it's evidence they're shit and need to compensate.
b3a1e7 No.14150313
Why would anyone want to see games with weak yellow monkeys that never won a war against outside forces in their whole history?
930a37 No.14154431
China is one of the shittiest settings out there for any video game. Best games are always about the USA or white western Europe, anything else will always be irredeemable shit.
a56100 No.14154445
>>14139340
That's not very compelling, since the 4X part of Total War has always been the worst fucking part of the games.
1a7a8e No.14154571
>>14138387
Simple. If you offend the Party, your game gets banned from China. It's become such a lucrative market that no one wants to take that chance, so any game depicting Chinese war takes the safe route of Three Kingdoms which has been done to death and cannot possibly upset Xi Jinping and his pals.
fa0c5a No.14155642
>>14154445
Well it's not much better in this but at least you won't have to pay extra to unlock all the factions.
b2fc9d No.14155681
>>14154571
>mfw xi banned winnie the pooh because people were saying he looked like him
what a baby
092b39 No.14155683
There's a shit load of China "games" on Android and iPhone.
Not only that but general knowledge about China in the west is pretty low. Most people only know about Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee and their food orders.
It's kind of sad, it's a cool ass country, though I wouldn't recommend going to Beijing.
d39597 No.14155736
It's going to be a boring fucking game. Ant people have some of the most boring culture and history they might as well be niggers. This game is going to be shotgun 2 but with chinese. It's going to be shit. They should honestly should just move to fantasy or (((remake))) medevil 2.
073d7b No.14156251
>>14155736
Dude you have no idea how vast ROTK is, even LOTR is a puddle compared to it, characters and events-wise.
5c89b2 No.14158097
>>14150124
>More about China
Alright here’s my favorite from the height of the 1st Sino-Japanese war, The battle of the Yellow Sea.
>Be Qing dynasty navy
>Have nice new modern navy (at the time) with which we can tell Japan to fuck right off
>Uh oh the Emperor wants to renovate the imperial palace (see forbidden city)
>there goes all the funding
>meanwhile Japan is gearing up their own navy and going on a training montage
>china navy is incompetent and broke as fuck
>call western buddies who send over some military advisors and officers to help train shit-tier ship crews
>doesn’t help because we don’t have any budget because of all the corruption and even half our ammunition is shit or fake
>at least half the ammo for the big guns is the wrong caliber, so badly made that they can’t be shot or the fuses and charges were filled with cement or porcelain instead of actual explosives
>have I mentioned the corruption? Most of the officers got their ranks from connections and bribery, not merit and ability to lead.
>Sino Japanese war officially rolling
>Japs shrek the chinese army in Korea
>Chinese fleet gets sent to hold the Yellow Sea and intercept whatever reinforcements Japan sends
>Got two big turreted ironclads armored to high hell, but barely any serviceable ammunition or charges for either
>and a bunch of slow wooden outdated as fuck “warships” (also with shit ammo) in an age of ironclad ships and really big guns
>Jap fleet is smaller and a lot faster
>Jap fleet is also mostly wood and armed merchant ships
>But they essentially have premium WOT ammunition that explodes all over the place and starts fires like crazy
>realize this and try to delay combat so we can get usable ammunition and some decent training
>get accused of being a coward instead
>mfw
Battle Start!
>Try to signal battle formation to fleet but officers are mostly illiterate
>Fucksakes, whatever we have the numbers just go with it
>Attempt long range battle against jap ships but can’t shoot for shit thanks to no traininglol
>Japs pull a Nelson and charge right into the clusterfuck
>Half the fleet panics and are sunk when they break formation
>Japs very quickly surround chinese fleet, using speed to their advantage
>wooden chinese ships are the first to go
>Chinese fleet barely held together by the two big armored battleships which shrug off the jap heavy guns and maintain their positions.
>rate of fire is shit because can’t find ammo that works lol
>still many chinese sailors fight on and continue firing onboard the most heavily damaged and burning ships until the end
>good thing the japs don’t know we have barely any ammunition
>japs withdraw when they realize they really can’t pen the armor of the battleships
>Not a single jap ship sunk, only a few heavily damaged meanwhile a good half the chinese fleet sunk.
>Chinese government pretends like it was a victory
>Get blamed and demoted for the loss when it becomes an obvious defeat
>But keep the rank anyways because everyone knows how fucked the navy is now and no one wants the job
>Be Admiral Ding, jewed to death by his own country
There is a story about a large caliber shell from one of the ironclad battleships punching through a jap ship’s armored hull and continuing through until it smacked right into a torpedo tube. Only to break apart and expose the concrete plug where the explosives should have been.
b31c30 No.14158107
>>14155736
I just want me some exploding chairs, death escalators, guillotine elevators and children flying out of cars.
abb2fd No.14158143
>>14158097
JEWS OF THE FAR EAST!
d94982 No.14158166
>>14158097
Fucking love stories of chinese incompetence. They're always so interesting to see the corruption and greed destroy a country from within.
78077d No.14158173
>>14158097
Can you recommend any books on the subject?
efc01e No.14158239
>>14158097
I always marvel at the fact that obviously loyal and courageous troops are routinely led to their demise by incompetent fuckwits. You see shit like this throughout Russian and Italian history too.
65c8d6 No.14158256
>>14138387
<Because shit like HOI 3 portraying independent Tibet means auto bannhammored and possible prison sentence.
<Because if you draw anime toddies you get censored by ministry of culture also sjw shit that's worse than US of a. Thank lazyass canto bastards for that
<Because all Chinese multi games must require ID number and real life verification.
Literally any shit that is about modern china (post Ming) and the devs are not in bed with the gov get screwed.
<Because xi is pushing this “revilatilization ” of traditional culture AKA fuck American culture
>T.abc
I HAVE LIVED IN CHINA FOR HALF A DECADE AND I HAVE SEEN THE ABYSS
19c34d No.14158258
Chinks love to mod all koei ROTK games to death. Just google "三國志 mod". They also love to share mods with the game itself for some reason.
efc01e No.14158268
>>14158256
>also sjw shit that's worse than US
Doesn't Chinese government actively sabotages foreign NGOs? Also, isn't the "white left" meme in China a thing?
78e316 No.14158285
God knows how many years we gonna have to wait for another Total War game set in Europe. It's clear that Creative Assembly wants those sweet chink bucks. They gonna shuffle between releasing some fantasy shit to appease Western normalniggers and semi-historical titles glorying gook history.
8e4f5c No.14158292
>>14158285
Jesus, they are releasing Throne of Britannia this fucking January.
I love when they make one title not settled in Europe, everyone and their mothers bitch.
8e4f5c No.14158304
>>14158292
>Jesus, they are releasing Throne of Britannia this fucking January.
Addendum: early 2018, neither titles have release date yet.
78e316 No.14158311
>>14158292
Throne of Britannia is nothing more than a glorified DLC. It's just an afterthought to get some quick bucks from naive fucks. The Warhammer series and now the Three Kingdoms are were the money is.
8e4f5c No.14158322
>>14158311
Except it's a side game you retarded ass, with actual historical accuracy taken into account, basically eveything the historicalfags ask for in a TW.
>The Warhammer series and now the Three Kingdoms are were the money is.
Warhammer series is settled in fantasy Europe, and 3 kingdoms is the only TW in China so far compared to the dozen if not more European TW games.
19c34d No.14158352
>>14158256
>I HAVE LIVED IN CHINA FOR HALF A DECADE AND I HAVE SEEN THE ABYSS
Now go live in russia see the another abyss. There are no perfect places for a living. You better learn to survive in your own kind of hell. What really matters is not what here but what lies beyond death.
cb0e19 No.14158368
>>14138387
Most of the ancient shit for China either got destroyed or has heavily been embellished. I wouldn't mind a Boxer Rebellion fps, but there's the little fact about China never achieving any significant victory over any other country but itself, Korea tops and not even that much.
Any economy based game with a China focus would be a disaster because no one but chinks would buy into it, the average Chink culture stereotype is just about martial arts, weird hairdos and eating dogs.
bc65b4 No.14158376
>>14138387
>why do we never see any games set in China?
Warriors of Fate
Romance of the 3 Kingdoms
Jade Empire
Dynasty Warriors
The Legend of Sword and Fairy
that's just a few
8e4f5c No.14158378
>>14158368
Except China did conquer various ancient empires (they ceased to have separate identity and just become a part of China), as well as subjugated Vietnam and Korea.
They are not a weak empire, easily the strongest power in Asia back then.
4e5468 No.14158387
>>14158268
>Doesn't Chinese government actively sabotages foreign NGOs?
Yes, they actively fight Israeli/US-infiltration efforts.
65c8d6 No.14158390
Sane annon posting from VPN visitng my dying gandmaw
>>14158258
三國志 is the more accurate non romantasized version and the basis for the novel.
>>14158268
Ok, let me explain. In China historically women tended to have a greater role until the end of the Tang dynasty. Basicly in china if we generalize, there is the north south distinction. A holdover from the Tang dynasty was that women worked the fields alongside men. Now come the Qing and the opium wars and everyone's guyshooked on opium in S. China. So then women do all the work while the guys lounge around. Naturally, this didn't go well and mao was like we should give equal rights so they hold up half the sky. If you go to Hainan Island, the local men do nothing all day while the women do all the work. In northern China women do as much work as the men and proceed to bichslapp them for still not working hard enough. Yeah. White left in China is US SJW, true chinese SJWs will just learn martial arts and kick your ass like that one train molester who got like ten + fractures on his fingers.
>>14158352
I mean the abyss as in the shitty lack of creativity mate. I'd prefer American issues rather than the lack of creativity.
cb0e19 No.14158395
>>14158285
>>14158292
You should rather feel upset about the games being bad AND the fact that they're creatively bankrupt and they're just recycling the same settings and times over and over again. They could make new Total War games with:
>Australian or South-East Asian colonization focus
>South American colonization focus
>African Kangdoms
>African 60's warlords
>Saladin's reign
>African colonization period
>Spanish reconquista
>Portuguese independence
>An HRE specific campaign
>WW2 but seen from the frontlines and barracks rather than as doomstacks moving in and out of open fields
>Age of Vikings and Norman conquests
etc.
78e316 No.14158397
>>14158322
Throne of Britannia is hardly going to be bigger than Fall of the Samurai for Shogun 2. As I said it's just an afterthought. The real focus is on their fantasy titles but unfortunately Total War: Warhammer is fucking shit.
cb0e19 No.14158405
>>14158378
>They are not a weak empire, easily the strongest power in Asia back then.
That's not how you spell "the mongols"
Also the problem with any other time period to set a hypothetical Chink Total War game is that they'd appear either too weak compared to the Mongolian hordes or too boring compared to the Romance of the Three Kingdom styled campaigns. I have no doubt in mind that we have lost the history of some proto kangdom that sprouted into mainland China and did some shit of worth all because of Communism.
efc01e No.14158406
>>14158390
>true chinese SJWs will just learn martial arts
Didn't work so well for the Boxers.
>like that one train molester who got like ten + fractures on his fingers
How is beating the shit out of some nigger-tier savage a SJW trait?
>I'd prefer American issues rather than the lack of creativity.
No, you wouldn't. Trust me, anything, and I honestly mean anything is preferable to the Hell on Earth the Western leftists have wrought in their countries. China will still be China in a 100 years, though everyone will die of cancer by age 40, while the West will be an extension of Africa and the Middle East.
8e4f5c No.14158410
>>14158395
Making a game about the 3 kingdoms and Warhammer are not recycling the same setting and again.
>African 60's warlords
>WW2 but seen from the frontlines and barracks rather than as doomstacks moving in and out of open fields
What, really now?
Go make these games yourself, because they have jack to do with TW.
8e4f5c No.14158417
>>14158405
The mongols aren't all that strong, considering they lack the staying power and bureaucratic legalism of the chinks, after all, they were beaten and re-conquered by the chinks.
Mongols also failed to conquer Vietnam, unlike the chinks.
>>14158397
Except Fall of the Samurai is a big ass game in itself, if ToB is going to be bigger than FoTS, then it's worthy to be considered as a full game.
>The real focus is on their fantasy titles but unfortunately Total War: Warhammer is fucking shit.
Except TW: Warhammer is not shit, it's the best direction TW has taken in years.
7548db No.14158426
>>14150124
>Wich game?
It's called Glorious Mission, and it's a first person shooter released by the people's liberation army. They basically wanted a shooter where the chinese were the good guys.
8e4f5c No.14158432
>>14158395
>Saladin's reign
>Spanish reconquista
>Portuguese independence
>An HRE specific campaign
All of these settings have been done before, or been very near Europe.
That is recycling the setting.
8e4f5c No.14158448
>>14158395
And one final note, do you really want a game about African kangdoms?
I mean seriously, a game like that over 3 kingdoms or Warhammer?
Come the fuck on.
65c8d6 No.14158449
>>14158390
>>14138387
Generally there are a couple other reasons I'll explain below.
1) Language is hard. I'm a chinese native speaker who was born in the US but kept up with the Chinese coursework. In the US I did atleast start reading novels like pride and prejudice in like ~4th grade. I have finished all the chinese school work up till high school and I still need to reach for a dictionary a lot due to the fact the average us english speaker needs ~5,000 words to be fluent. The average Chinese needs 10,000+ to read a damn newpaper fluently. No, pinyin is not acceptable because I've got a 12% chance to guess the correct word.
2) Dates are confusing.
The original chinese dating system was the Era name, followed by number of years in the era, and zodiac number in a sexgenacy cycle. Dynasties often changed era names in between reigns (Han, Qin) or only after succession (Qing). Then, in eras like the Five dynasties you have the era names changing AND the mutiple government so sources can be confusing
3) Chinese historical records in classical chinese written by the accounts of a person.
If we look at let us say the US civil war we see a chronological order of battles, listing the commanders. In Chinese ones we would see (generally):
A notation of the battle in general encyclopedia eg; Battle of Changban with all major persons listed
Then let us take for example Liu Bei and Zhao Yun. You'd have to search up their names in the volumes, and go through their entire life story, and then it goes like this.
During battle of Changban, Liu Bei order Zhao yun to retrieve his son.
(blank)
Zhao yun return Liu bei's son on X date.
So that blank is in Zhao Yun's record.
Zhao Yun goes to retrieve Liu Bei's son, Liu Bei's wife dies by suicide to avoid capture. While pursued, Zhao states to Mengde Cao Cao courtesty name Inqury about identity, "I am Zhao Zilong courtesy name of Changshan!"
etc.
Which makes research a pain. Which brings me too…
4) Classical Chinese is hard. Really hard. Almost nobody except a select few have a god damn idea because it's like writing a research paper without citations. You search up the origin of X phrase from Y author who took it from Z author etc…
Let us see for example.
蒼天已死,黃天當立。歲在甲子,天下大吉
Here is what the average person reads: The sky has died, yellow sky shall reign, Age of the Jiazi, prospertiy for all.
Here is what it really means. The current (han) has lost the mandate of heaven, my mandate (Yellow turbans-> Yellow sky) shall begin, in the first year of this reign, prosperity will be granted to all under heaven!
5)Chinese is highly contextual and dependent on the writing.
Let us focus on a simple example a phrase by Guanyu to Cao Cao, "You set your capitals with a pricetag"
Correct translation. You (points to his enemies and not to Cao Cao, in written form er, instead of rou, thus viewing them as immature/childlike) have stuck price tags on your head (in this case shouji-> head shou-> capital) as if selling a common commodity!
65c8d6 No.14158463
>>14158406
There are no guns in China. You can not even buy a crossbow/bow/bb gun anymore without permit approval. You need a fucking equvalent of a passport to buy a kitchen knife, and it is perma registerd to your name. Also, most chinese guys are just shit athletically. I must also mention gener roles in China are kinda reversed in the city To your second question:
>In Chinese schools girls beat up each other while the guys sit at desks crying.
I live in america mate. And I live in one of the bluest counties in texas. I STILL prefer us issues because I can shoot them with a gun if I need to.,Wheras in China you'd just get buttfucked by whatever the communist goverment says or you'll dissappear and your relatives all get imprisioned.
65c8d6 No.14158469
>>14158405
Looking for good sim like Romance of three kingdoms, etither look for warring states, Norther/ Southern Dynasties (I'd not recommend this one, very little done on this topic) or five dynasties and ten kindoms period (again, very little on this game wise). see reasons listed >>14158449
9f6456 No.14158480
>>14158395
>ww2
>60's apefrica
>WW2 but seen from the frontlines and barracks rather than as doomstacks moving in and out of open fields
How exacty do you imagine a post line infantry warfare total war game would work?
Not to mention the current model that was made for Rome1 doesn't exactly suit frontline warfare and would have to be completely redesigned.
>Aussie & SEA colonization
>South America colonization
Might as well just make a colonization era focused total war, but it would have to be more focused on trade and navy rather than on ground battles.
>african kangdoms
Normalfags won't accept it since it was really just niggers muh dicking each other while selling themselves into slavery to the americas.
>Spanish reconquista
>Portuguese independence
Could be good, but it would need a complex dimplomacy system to be good and CA are too incompetent to implement one. Portugal was founded around the same time so it really doesn't warrant to be a separate campaign.
>HRE campaign
Would need to happen during the reformation. Would again need a complex diplomacy system to be fun, but CA are too incompetent to implement one.
>Vikings, Normans
The same thing, considering the Normans were just christian vikings.
8e4f5c No.14158493
>>14158480
I like how that guy's idea is more creativily bankrupt than CA considering
>Spanish reconquista
>Portuguese independence
>HRE campaign
>Vikings, Normans
Are ALL covered before.
And these games would be side-game or DLC campaigns at best, not full games.
The african kangdoms is also another terrible idea, jesus fuck, I can't believe anybody would suggest people making a game about that instead of 3 kingdoms, warring states, boxer rebellion over that crap.
e7d223 No.14158498
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>>14138967
>t*rk
ISTANBUL NOT CONSTANTINOPLE
8250db No.14158510
>>14158417
>TW: Warhammer
>not shit
Let me tell you something my sweet summer child. Warhammer is nothing more than a casualized piece of shit. Creative Assembly removed any sort of challenge and complexity to appease the normalnigger audience. Economics has been greatly streamlined. There's far fewer building selections, outside of army-orientated buildings. Tax levels have been reduced to a single tax/no-tax checkbox, and food production/upkeep has been removed entirely. Squalor, food and sanitation basically went the way of the dodo. There isn't really any government structure (no loyalty, no reputation, no in-house fighting, no marriages or children). Formations are gone too. At best some units gain passive charge resistance towards certain other units. There were way too few factions available at the start and of course Creative Assembly expects you to buy the rest like a good little goy like you are. Go back to cuckchan if you thinks that's the direction which Total War series should take.
8e4f5c No.14158524
>>14158510
Except Warhammer is TW trying to make itself like the tabletop (where city building and economy are not a thing), the fact there are buildings at all means CA has already tried it best to follow the TW formulas.
>Formations are gone too.
Now this is bad, but it's true to the Warhammer setting and gameplay.
>There were way too few factions available at the start and of course Creative Assembly expects you to buy the rest like a good little goy like you are.
The factions are actually different unlike the average TW where factions are separated into groups with little difference.
> Go back to cuckchan if you thinks that's the direction which Total War series should take.
No, you go back to cuckchan since I hear they dislike TW: Warhammer there. WaWa brings much focus into TW like the quest, lore, character development, more variety in units, these are all breath of fresh air into the game.
And casualized piece of shit? It's one of the harder TW due to Chaos invasion.
9f6456 No.14158543
>>14158390
>In southern china women do all the work while the guys lounge around.
> In northern China women do as much work as the men and proceed to bichslapp them for still not working hard enough
Haha, oh wow. No wonder the chinks can't into war.
8250db No.14158546
>>14158524
So maybe Creative Assembly could stop dick sucking Warhammer fans and let Total War series be it's own thing once again? You know a history inspired game combing turn based strategy with real time tactical combat on a battle map? They smelled easy shekels with fantasy fans after the abortion of a game that Rome 2 was. They knew that fantasy will get them those sweet normalnigger bucks. There is no turning back from that now. After Warhammer is done they will probably try to get a LOTR licence and cash out on that.
65c8d6 No.14158547
>>14158543
Believe it or not… Southern Chinese people in the army get fucking three dishes and a soup because they can't eat the hard tack up north. Fucking hell. If only northern china would get it's head outa it's ass they'd get decent war leaders…You shouldn't underestimate the women though, there are several historical acounts of women leading the men into battle because the general died for some reasons.
>tl;dr It's the Chinese men that are usually shit.
9f6456 No.14158550
>>14158524
>Except Warhammer is TW trying to make itself like the tabletop
There's that shill line again. You realize that it's not really a good excuse for duming down the total war formula. Accept it, they just drank the "wider audience" koolaid.
>And casualized piece of shit? It's one of the harder TW due to Chaos invasion.
>Game throws big numbers at you and forces you to exploit the retarded AI and poorly designed mechanics to compensate
>I-it's totes hardcore guyse! I'n not a shill i swer.
8e4f5c No.14158552
>>14158546
I dunno, they just release a Rome 2 DLC and will release Throne of Britannia next year, which is going to be super historical game?
>So maybe Creative Assembly could stop dick sucking Warhammer fans and let Total War series be it's own thing once again?
Man, TW has been its own thing since 20 year straight, I don't think 3 Warhammer games are gonna kill it.
>They smelled easy shekels with fantasy fans
No, Warhammer was a big risk they take since WHFB is not a popular license, it being popular as it is because it's a good game and it's TW fantasy, a neat concept.
8e4f5c No.14158553
>>14158550
Cut the bullcrap, WHFB is fucking obscure compared to real life history.
In fact, a Medieval 3 TW would be more for more wider audience than something like Warhammer.
>Game throws big numbers at you and forces you to exploit the retarded AI and poorly designed mechanics to compensate
So is it hard or not? Take a stance, bitch.
efc01e No.14158559
>>14158553
>Game throws big numbers at you and forces you to exploit the retarded AI and poorly designed mechanics to compensate
It's garbage like every other TW game. 20 years and they have yet to find a way to make the game challenging without blatant AI cheating or improve the AI, let alone bother to introduce a few mechanics that make blobbing difficult to achieve.
4025b0 No.14158564
>>14138387
>Some bullshit chinkthorian trade laws?
Basically? Yes.
http://archive.is/oqUzf (tl;dr "In China today, filmmakers talk about something called the "Kung Fu Panda problem." The Kung Fu Panda problem is that a movie about Kung Fu and pandas, two claimed symbols of China, was not made by Chinese film makers. It was made by Americans. In China the filmmakers would never been able to do this.")
8e4f5c No.14158566
>>14158559
It's a fucking strategy game, m8.
Find me one strategy game where AI doesn't cheat.
a56100 No.14158570
>>14158564
Communism is, ultimately, still to blame. No matter how much China has opened up economically, they haven't shed Communism off and it's cancerous deleterious effects on society, history, and art still persist – because those are where Communism first takes root.
8e4f5c No.14158571
Goddamn I really hate TW fans for some reasons.
They gunna make 3 games next year for all audience:
- Throne of Britannia: classic historical title for european fags
- Warhammer 3: the last of the series
- 3 kingdoms: new experimental title for someone who dislikes both european setting and warhammer
Yet all still bitch and whine.
efc01e No.14158574
>>14158566
Good ones at least hide it better, and the AI can achieve some degree of competence. TW AI is braindead.
a56100 No.14158575
>>14158571
Maybe people wouldn't bitch and whine if they actually made a good game instead of assuming that a themepark is all you need. Same fucking shit happened to MMOs.
8e4f5c No.14158576
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>14158571
Pic related, new trailer for Thrones of Britannia.
>>14158575
Except Attila, WaWa1 and WaWa2 are all good games with plenty of following.
I guess you can't just kill all the dissenters.
efc01e No.14158577
>>14158571
>same game with the same problems as all previous titles, on the same broken engine with the inability to simulate collisions and 1-on-1 animation cancer that turns all battles into blobs
>we should be grateful the CA kikes decided to make this garbage for us
Fuck off you filthy shill.
8e4f5c No.14158580
>>14158574
>>14158577
Those are all problems that mere settings wouldn't fix.
It's time to stop playing, I guess.
And yeah, I'm grateful that CA does care enough about european history, WHFB and the 3 kingdoms to make games about them.
I mean, they can just make african kangdoms game where they wuz kings.
8ce1c0 No.14158583
>>14158571
>Warscape with R2 campaign map mechanics.
>Warscape with R2 campaign map mechanics.
>Warscape with R2 campaign map mechanics.
This is the real problem.
a56100 No.14158584
>>14158576
>no webm
>not even hooktube
Why don't you fuck off and try that again?
c505ae No.14158586
>games set in china
The 3 kingdoms is the safest time period for them to make vidya of
Emperor Chin was a grade A asshole only surpased by glorious god emperor Mao shang tzung
they can't talk about those periods without highlighting how much of ann asshole both of them were and how much of a shit they tiik on the country
not without so much history revisionism than even the most bluepilled ignorant chink would notice something is off
I would like to see a game based on the sotrues of the shaolin temple though
there are plenty of legends surrounding the place.
one of the emperor even burned the whole place down once cus he feared the power of the shaolin or something like that
but chinks can't get anywhere near a modern setting for their vidya stories.
their goverment has shat so much over the country that they can't just hide it so the threaten everyone not to talk about that huge pile of shit
8e4f5c No.14158587
>>14158583
Actually, 3 kingdoms is not confirmed to use the old engine, but we shall see.
And I don't see the problem with R2 campaign map anyway, Attila and Warhammer maps were friggin' beautiful to look at and move around.
9f6456 No.14158588
>>14158553
>In fact, a Medieval 3 TW would be more for more wider audience than something like Warhammer.
Warhammer is insanely popular and has many loyal fans that literally buy anything with warhammer slapped on it. Another historical setting for TW would have been just that, yet another historical TW game. The jump from historical settings to a fantsy one was like CoD4 switching from WW2 to modern times. It brought a breath of fresh air to a stale and dying series that disapponted it's fans with it's previous iterations.
>So is it hard or not? Take a stance, bitch.
>bitch
Getting a little touchy-feely there, shill-kun? Let me tell you something. Throwing big numbers at the player is the laziest way to make the game harder imaginable and is only used because the devs are too incompetent to create scenarios where actual difficulty is involved.
>>14158571
>BAWWWW STOP COMPLAINING AND SHOWER ME WITH PRAISE YOU ENTITLED FUCKS BAWWW
>>14158576
>pic related
>it's a video
pic related.
efc01e No.14158589
>>14158580
>Those are all problems that mere settings wouldn't fix.
Almost like CA has been rehashing the same fucking game for 20 years, selling people reskin packs at full price without actually bothering to improve the formula or fix the mechanics.
>I'm grateful that CA does care enough about european history
Oy vey.
>>14158584
If he was smart he wouldn't be stuck shilling a shit game for 2 cents a post.
8e4f5c No.14158594
>>14158588
>Warhammer is insanely popular and has many loyal fans that literally buy anything with warhammer slapped on it.
Warhammer 40K yes, but WHFB, no. WHFB is effectively killed off by Gee Dub and is replaced by another setting, the fact CA manages to get the license is a side-effect.
>Throwing big numbers at the player is the laziest way to make the game harder imaginable and is only used because the devs are too incompetent to create scenarios where actual difficulty is involved.
Except it's a war game.
Most difficulties in war games rely on fighting against numerous enemies and winning, which is precisely the point of TW.
8e4f5c No.14158597
>>14158589
It's just a thematic DLC, anon.
People here want a full WE WUZ KANG game.
>Almost like CA has been rehashing the same fucking game for 20 years
No, TW has evolved a lot, just that AI are hard to do.
efc01e No.14158601
>>14158597
>People here want a full WE WUZ KANG game.
The only person here thirsting for nigger cock is you.
8e4f5c No.14158604
Hooktube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
Fine, thy ask for Hooktube, and Hooktube ye shall have.
This is probably gonna be the most historical accurate TW to date, next to Attila.
8e4f5c No.14158608
>>14158601
But anon, it is not me that desire WE WUZ KANG: total war.
8e4f5c No.14158618
I actually hope 3 kingdoms is a hybrid game between historical and fantasy mechanics.
I always want some kind of Arthurian total war or Ancient mythology: TW where its historical gameplay but with heroes and monsters, like Age of Mythology.
9f6456 No.14158621
>>14158594
>Most difficulties in war games rely on fighting against numerous enemies and winning, which is precisely the point of TW.
Not really. No.
The point of these games is to map paint. By focusing the game solely around battles, it becomes very bland, boring and repetitive. CA is dumbing down citiy management, resource management, diplomacy and removes unique mechanics that would spice up the otherwise worn out formula that they have been recycling for 20 years now in order to appeal to a "wider audience" of mouth breathing retards all the while alienating older fans of the series.
Tell me shill-kun, why can't CA add a GOOD diplomacy system to the game? Why can't CA refine city and resource management instead of taking the lazy route of axing those mechanics entirely or dumbing them down to the point that they don't matter anymore?
All of this is without mentioning the ultimate judaism that are their DLC pracices.
efc01e No.14158622
>shill is so desperate to keep the thread bumped he posts twice in a row
It reminds me of the Warhammer launch. Is Mr. Goldberg breathing down your neck that you're in such a hurry?
8e4f5c No.14158635
>>14158621
>The point of these games is to map paint.
That is the whole point of war games though, to paint the entire map with your color.
>CA is dumbing down citiy management, resource management, diplomacy and removes unique mechanics that would spice up the otherwise worn out formula that they have been recycling for 20 years now
Uh, the historical titles still have those elements, in fact Attila has the most of all, Warhammer doesn't have them because the source elements.
>in order to appeal to a "wider audience" of mouth breathing retards all the while alienating older fans of the series.
As said, WHFB fans are older than TW fans, being a longer and older franchise, it's hilarious when people say Warhammer fans are "wider audience" when WHFB is niche TT shit.
>Tell me shill-kun, why can't CA add a GOOD diplomacy system to the game?
Attila TW?
>Why can't CA refine city and resource management
Again, Attila TW?
The only games that they skim on base building is Warhammer, because Warhammer focus on battles, and its source material doesn't have much to stand on building and economy.
>All of this is without mentioning the ultimate judaism that are their DLC pracices.
Not even the worse of the industry.
8e4f5c No.14158638
>>14158622
Are any TW in release right now?
Why would I shill for games still months in release.
8e4f5c No.14158651
You faggots gonna miss Warhammer when CA stops after the 3rd game.
Screencap this.
9f6456 No.14158679
>>14158635
>That is the whole point of war games though, to paint the entire map with your color.
That's exactly what I said, retard. My point is that map painting by itself is extremely boring without a varitey of added on mechanics to manage. Smashing deathstacks together is entirely pointless unless the player is invested into those deathstacks through the resource and diplomacy systems.
>As said, WHFB fans are older than TW fans, being a longer and older franchise, it's hilarious when people say Warhammer fans are "wider audience" when WHFB is niche TT shit.
>Warhammer is niche TT shit
That's a pretty retarded assumption. Warhammer is huge but the decision to dumb down the game didn't come from it being warhammer. It came from the same cancerous corporate suits who only want to make a quick buck and give 0 shits about creative integrity. They simply say "okay how do we make the game more appealing? that's right let's dumb it down so the retards that thought it was too hard will like it!"
This sort of bullshit thinking has led many other francises to their death and it's sad to see TW follow along.
>Warhammer doesn't have them because the source elements.
You're going to need to find a better excuse, shill-kun, I'm not buying this line of bullshit.
>Atilla
The last TW that I played was Shogun2, but I doubt that the diplomacy system has gotten any better since then, and it was pretty bad in Shogun. If anything it probably got worse since the "we want the CoD audience" approach is in effect.
>Not even the worse of the industry.
It's up there with the likes of paracucks and EA. They honestly might as well just make the game F2P with a cash shop for different factions and campaigns.
>>14158638
Because you're being paid to shill TW here, obviously.
>>14158651
Pretty arrogant of you to say this, shill-kun.
8e4f5c No.14158691
>>14158679
>That's exactly what I said, retard. My point is that map painting by itself is extremely boring without a varitey of added on mechanics to manage.
Don't play war games then, or try to get a cultural victory.
>That's a pretty retarded assumption.
It is, even Gee Dub killed it in end time.
> Warhammer is huge but the decision to dumb down the game didn't come from it being warhammer.
I like how you try to imply CA has no creativity when CA has tried their best to invent new stuff (entire new expanded factions) for TW, the stuff that Gee Dub abandoned, but the buildings need to have some source materials to stand on, and there aren't a lot.
>The last TW that I played was Shogun2, but I doubt that the diplomacy system has gotten any better since then, and it was pretty bad in Shogun.
So play Attila, dumbass. In Attila, there are trustworthy system, where if you keep killing romans, no barbarians are gonna turn on you and vice versa, or you can kill everyone. Even the Huns can become long term allies until you stand in their way.
Actually play Warhammer too, diplomacy does exist in it, and its confederation option actually works unlike TW where your city states form into a big state.
>It's up there with the likes of paracucks and EA. They honestly might as well just make the game F2P with a cash shop for different factions and campaigns.
No, it's not even close, and the different factions and campaigns are big enough and some actually worth the money, like the recent Empire Divided campaign and the Tomb Kings.
>Because you're being paid to shill TW here, obviously.
Not paid enough for this job, I'd say.
>Pretty arrogant of you to say this, shill-kun.
I know of you faggots, contrarian all.
b3a1e7 No.14158693
>>14158352
China is still shit and deserves to be destroyed and have the chinese genocided.
>>14158638
>>14158651
Remember to filter and report shills as those, anons. Companies are helpless and desperate. We reached normalfags and now the most incompetent companies are getting hit first on their profit.
8e4f5c No.14158697
>>14158693
It's funny because I'm no shill at all.
CA actually doesn't require shilling since they took risks and have paid off, Warhammer sells millions and 3 Kingdoms will likely do as well.
8e4f5c No.14158703
>>14158679
On the another note, can anyone here actually prove that WHFB, a dead tabletop franchise, is actually hugely popular, and has a wider audience than fucking Total War, a million-seller strategy franchise.
I would like to see how that work.
9f6456 No.14158768
>>14158691
>Don't play war games then, or try to get a cultural victory.
You're not convincing me. Why do you think people tend to autoresolve so many battles in the game? It's because there are so many battles that it becomes tedious to fight all of them, and they would rather lose a battle they could have won if they fought it manually and quickly go back to managing their empire on the campaign map than sit through one irrelevant, tedious battle after another.
>but the buildings need to have some source materials to stand on, and there aren't a lot.
More lame excuses that i'm not going to buy, shill-kun. Your team didn't need source material for the Historical settings, but somehow it needs it for warhammer? When relic made Dawn of war, they didn't need any source material to design the base buildings, why does CA need it then? Simple, lazyness and game design decisions coming from the marketing department that called for the game to be dumbed down for retards "wider audiences".
>CA has tried their best to invent new stuff (entire new expanded factions) for TW
I haven't seen anything in WarhammerTW that wasn't part of original lore.
>but the buildings need to have some source materials to stand on, and there aren't a lot.
No, they really don't. CA's lazyness is obviously showing here, since they didn't bother designing anything on their own that wasn't part of original warhammer lore. Nobody would complain if they added a few original touches to the game where GW's lore team didn't really bother to make anything.
>So play Attila, dumbass.
>Still shilling for Atilla
>In Attila, there are trustworthy system, where if you keep killing romans, no barbarians are gonna turn on you and vice versa, or you can kill everyone. Even the Huns can become long term allies until you stand in their way.
>No, it's not even close, and the different factions and campaigns are big enough and some actually worth the money, like the recent Empire Divided campaign and the Tomb Kings.
Doesn't really excuse the fact that they sell the game peacemeal on release with core lore factions being locked behind a paywall.
>Not paid enough for this job, I'd say.
At least you're being paid :^)
Imagine doing this for free.
>>14158697
>It's funny because I'm no shill at all.
>(28) posts defending a corporation and pretending that their francise is some sort of God's gift to the world
>not a shill
Please.
8e4f5c No.14158787
>>14158768
>You're not convincing me. Why do you think people tend to autoresolve so many battles in the game?
Because if the battles auto 90% victory, there is no point in doing it. Manual battles are still nice if you find you can win but the game doesn't let you auto it.
>When relic made Dawn of war, they didn't need any source material to design the base buildings, why does CA need it then?
CA invents a shitton of buildings by themselves in Warhammer, the fact they have town options at all is their invention. Relic, on the other hand, scraps base building altogether in the 2nd game, I haven't played the 3rd game.
>I haven't seen anything in WarhammerTW that wasn't part of original lore.
Norsca.
>No, they really don't.
Yes, yes they fucking did. They design an entire faction that did not exist in original warhammer lore.
> Nobody would complain if they added a few original touches to the game where GW's lore team didn't really bother to make anything.
They make up entirely new lore and faction just for the TW games, they advance and expand the universe something that Gee Dub hasn't done.
>Still shilling for Atilla
Because Attila is one of the best TW games for historical accuracy and immershun.
>Doesn't really excuse the fact that they sell the game peacemeal on release with core lore factions being locked behind a paywall.
It does excuse it because the game wouldn't be released early as it does.
>(28) posts defending a corporation and pretending that their francise is some sort of God's gift to the world
I mean, it's not like everyone is doing a Total War games.
Even the darthmod dude game still lacks the excitement of TW.
8e4f5c No.14158827
>>14158787
Add to this, they sorta fix the Bretonnia faction by adding in foot squires and such as infantry supplementary.
The actual TT bretonnia only have poor peasant and men at arms at infantry, and very lacking at that.
c001a0 No.14158907
>>14158390
What exactly is a Chinese SJW like any similarities to the stuff that they spout here?
cda9c8 No.14158994
>>14158395
My ideal tw game:
>age of discovery
>roughly 1450-1750
>campaign map is a whole world
>focus on killing natives / establishing colonies to build your economy. European provinces are worth a shit ton but have huge garrisons and defenses from turn 1
>military at beginning consists of late medieval knights, crossbowmen, archers, spear militia, and shitty riflemen who are expensive and can't hit jack shit but do decent morale damage, cannons too for sieges.
>military evolves over campaign into pike heavy armies supported by better muskets and lighter cav, eventually late game pikes are replaced completely with muskets with bayonets ala empire total war
>have some different start times for campaign with all countries in historical positions to skip ahead to different army compositions
>for hard mode can play as natives and eventually invade europe with mercenary ships and xbox heug armies
also:
>ai that isnt shit
>multiplayer campaigns that aren't shit
shame it will never happen
cda9c8 No.14159014
>>14158994
Oh and I forgot
>navy battles that aren't shit / navies that are actually useful in general
>game engine that isn't shit
8e4f5c No.14159023
>>14158994
Sound boring compared to 3 kingdoms tbh.
e0cdce No.14159071
>Not Total War: Warhammer 40k.
WOW, just wow…
They're gonna waste their time with THIS shit.
574b81 No.14159084
>>14158510
The irony is that all the things they removed never really worked in the first place because CA's incompetent AI were unable to cope with them.
27f256 No.14159086
>>14158994
>campaign map is the whole world
Imagine how long it would take for the AI turns to end.
8e4f5c No.14159089
>>14159071
Warhammer 40K doesn't work with TW battles, just stop.
11ef5b No.14159187
>>14159086
its its anything like empire it'll have the river crossing bug where AI flips out and makes a bunch of 1 unit armies at the crossing and then burn up cpu an make every turn take 10 minutes as it makes more 1 unit armies and never figures out how to cross
0be5cc No.14159202
>>14159071
That would just end up being a fusion of supreme commander and dawn of war
3100bb No.14161653
>>14158097
I'll wager China's military is just as shitty, incompetent, and corrupt today as it was back then.
9571d4 No.14162139
>>14138961
>No one likes Chinese games because ur raycis bigots
t. Chink
>Implying the Chinese give a fuck about any country except China
>Implying most people care that much about other countries
>Implying anyone wants games set in Suriname or Papua New Guinea
法轮功没有做错事。
5495c2 No.14164108
Because while SJW's version of "diversity" is useless, there is merit to the claim that if you want games to use certain settings or ideas, that that's more likely too happen if the people making them comes from that culture or has that life expierence.
It's just that SJW's trying to get minorities into lead roles in games doesn't actually change the core setting or concept, and hiring a bunch of blacks or latinos isn't going to make it more likely to get games based on African tribal shit or Aztec stuff because the execs and producers won't want to take a risk on them, first pic related
>>14139355
Exactly this.
>>14158395
>>14158448
>>14158480
>>14158994
You wouldn't even need a colonization focus for a latin american total war: Mesoamerica, and the Andes had actual political states, complex geopolitical relationships, urban cities, and organized armies: You could easily do a total war just based on those native states. You could do a lot of unique and neat mechanical stuff with said political relationships with Human sacrifice, since for a lot of cultures in the region, itt was primarily a facet/extension of how they waged war (almost all aztec sacrifices for instance were prisoners of war, and it was seen as more skillful to capture foes rather then to kill them in battle) and it also served as a diplomatic and political tool in many cases, as can be seen with Flower Wars, which were variously pre-arranged, semi-ritualistic battles meant primarily to get captives by both sides, which could serve to cement political alliances between states, or as the Aztecs used them, too also give their soldiers practice, and as a tool of political intimidation to bully weaker states into particpating to show off their military strength, to farm them for people to sacrifice, or even to act as extended sorts of sieges or wars of attrituion by wearing them down over time with increasingly actually hostile and aggressiive flower wars.
Though for the Andes, this would have to be earlier then when the Spanish showed up since the Inca had conquered basically the entire region. Even for Mesoamerica you'd probably be better off going back 50 or so years before the spanish show up so the Aztec empire iisn't quite as domiant even if there were still plenty of city states, kingdoms, empires, and various unorganized tribes that weren't under their rule at the time of Spanish arrival; second pic related: Anything labelled "imperio" was an empire, "confederacion" being a unions or confederations, anything without a label being either a multi city kingdom or a city state, and only the stuff marked with "territorio" actually being tribal or politically unorganized groups.
>>14150124
The mediveal 2 expansion really doesn't do the region justice: They get props for actually including the Purepecha/Tarascan empire, the Tlaxcalla confederacy/republic, and the Chichimeca tribes instead of just the Aztec and Maya; but it's still only a fractioon of what an actual game wiith the setting could or should do.
5495c2 No.14164184
>>14164155
I don't understand what this is supposed to mean, anon
a56100 No.14164200
>>14164155
>>14164184
He rotated Mexico so it's now pointing at his dubs.
5495c2 No.14164208
>>14164200
If it was meant to be that, shouldn't the thinner part of the landmass towards central america proper be pointing up, not north Mexico?
73ee79 No.14164230
>>14164208
The section in the second image looks like a hand, pointing to the top left, that's why.
61a62f No.14168298
>>14138387
Too bad Total War sucks bollocks now.
Also, can't wait for the retarded faggots who equate modern China with Ancient China, as if it has stayed the same since then, and I should not have to explain why that is fucking stupid.
61a62f No.14168314
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>14148822
Also, this.
>>14158097
And this. You wouldn't happen to know the films in vid related, would you (besides the military footage, obviously)?
61a62f No.14168325
>>14158994
>riflemen
>implying rifles = muskets
f613ac No.14168620
>>14138387
Because chinks are soulless dog eating insectoids who lack empathy.