823222 No.14124495
Which Xcom is better, the one from 1994 or the Firaxis reboot?
People on steam tell me Firaxis reboot is better, not sure, I am new to the series, that's why I am asking
aef825 No.14124503
>>14124495
>People on steam tell me
That should tell you right there which is better.
bfbe4d No.14124504
>totally not a bait
Right, OP?
db30f6 No.14124518
Why are the fags most insistent on dubspamming threads the worst at actually getting dubs?
d0a17a No.14124520
>>14124495
X-COM innovated on tactics and strategy games in so, so many ways in 1994, and in the years since games like Jagged Alliance 2 and Silent Storm innovated on the genre(s) further still. Then Firaxis' X-COM game comes out, and it's such a fucking barebones excuse for a game that not only doesn't really innovate on anything whatsoever, not only is missing all of the innovation that came from the games made after X-COM, but on top of all of that is missing virtually all of the innovation that came from X-COM itself. It's a game that you'd think X-COM were the sequel to if it weren't for the graphics.
a9caf4 No.14124524
>>14124495
totally not a faggot, right OP?
bu my two cents, xenonauts and UFO series are better
63545e No.14124531
428152 No.14124692
>>14124524
>UFO series
The first two play like absolute shit though Great ideas though, that fucking biomass from 1 or how firaxis stole the mobile base from 2
380daf No.14124904
this game is very hard for me to learn even the youtube walkthroughs seemed complicated
3d29c1 No.14125426
>>14124495
The one from 1994, if you want a more modern game pick one of Xenonauts (grab the Community Edition) or UFO:AI.
a9caf4 No.14127280
>>14124692
they had good concepts, but it was a small company with little attention
very few people even know it
1156f1 No.14127297
>>14124514
This reaction image's overuse saddens me
I liked it before and now I'm just absolutely bored when I see it
0cab5c No.14127308
>>14124495
This looks like a bait thread, but I'll bite. UFO defense is better simply because it doesn't try to force decisions on the player like fireaxis does with the abduction events, and UFO defense is better designed overall.
ba56b5 No.14127493
>>14124495
I played new xcom first, then went to old xcom. I the old gives you much more freedom, I can see why fans were mad. Play it you faggot.
48bec0 No.14127501
>>14124495
Firaxis XCom has no terror missions or TUs, no base management. If you want 'xcom, but 3d' get UFO:AI. It's free
8efcd8 No.14127700
>>14127493
>old gives you much more freedom
Yeah, but its freedom to lose. You can put your 1st base anywhere or you can put in in Europe if you want to win. In some cases freedom is overrated. But I do prefer old xcom. But I really disliked apocalypse or whatever it was called. Only original and TFTD.
850e95 No.14127710
>>14127501
>no terror missions
>no base management
UFO Defense is already better than NuCom by light years, there's no need to lie.
a4170f No.14127795
Hard to compare the two, 1994 plays like an actual strategy game while nuCom feels more like a single-player board game.
d0a17a No.14127935
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>>14127308
>try to force decisions on the player
Did somebody say Firaxis' entire game design philosophy?
fe9a2e No.14127961
>>14127710
I THINK he means base invasions.
But, yeah, he's wrong otherwise.
2d90d1 No.14127962
>>14127795
I'm glad someone other than me shares my opinion. You should still play LW at the very least.
72db47 No.14128245
>>14124495
firaxis cant make xcom due to terrible design flaws from things as small as the shooting to the fact there is only 2 time units shots are treated as a pure hit or miss rather than the old projectile shot from each bullet and a NO GOD DAMM SHITTY CLASSES
0cab5c No.14128622
>>14127935
>being rewarded for caution is bad because raisins.
>To prevent this unwanted behavior we added the worse possible thing to the game.
Full retard.
0728e4 No.14129104
>>14124520
This is why Xenonauts exists.
1473b1 No.14129188
XCOM has nude mods
X-COM doesn't
This should answer the question
2d90d1 No.14129258
>>14128245
You're simply complaining that it's not UFO Defense which I understand but do you really want an inferior game when you can just go back to MicroProse's games?
>>14128622
And the worst part is that since everything was balanced around this timer, everything became significantly weak and as such; was easy to simply alpha strike them. WotC went back on some of that but it's clear their design philosophy of "Let's fix a problem that only a minor part of our player base exploits".
>>14129188
But nuCOM's models are ugly as sin. Nigger, what are you doing?
0cab5c No.14129299
>>14129258
Anon obviously means nude mods for the sneks.
386762 No.14129312
First one is better, the reboot is better for you
e092f8 No.14129355
I think the problem is that with the new series there are simply no options to play around with. You have one rifle, one sniper rifle, one LMG, one type of grenades, two types of armor, etc. You can't aim your shots, you can't do single fire or burst fire. Cover is simply full or half, it doesn't matter if you're behind a giant truck or a car.
Simply put you're playing all your soldiers the same because you don't exactly have options to do anything else. It's why I actually like Long War because for once you get options to do shit.
30061a No.14129358
>>14129312
Video game for the soul?
2cfbd1 No.14129367
>>14124692
I liked ufo though, its was like grimmdark X-com.
43b556 No.14129419
3846ca No.14129509
>>14129419
this. real time with pausing is the best tactical format.
43b556 No.14129544
>>14129509
wow holy shit where have you been all my life. anyone i talk to about this game says they hated realtime and they shouldn't have done it but that's how i played the entire game
3846ca No.14129575
>>14129544
My Brethren. they probably hated it because they went straight to turn-based Apoc, which was broken and awful. the RTT version was excellent, if too easy after you learn the game. shame like half the features were cut from Apoc.
43b556 No.14129600
>>14129575
It was the first game to have the best building destruction system too. I loved to just fuck around in the slums and set charges on the buildings and just blow the entire thing to high hell and watch it fall apart, aliens or not.
3846ca No.14129639
>>14129600
burning slums to the ground was the shit. i piss off the gang factions and enter Brazil mode.
304d0d No.14129713
>>14129419
>>14129509
>>14129544
agreed
>>14129600
>>14129639
on endgame I always like to take a fleet of annihilators and wreck every building in the cityscape except my bases. there's no reason to do this, but I do on almost every playthrough
b3ca41 No.14129801
Both have their own merits.
80a303 No.14129909
>>14127700
You can win even with laser weapons and a base on Hawaii you nignog.
3b7f85 No.14130112
>>14129713
The reason is because you can.
2cfbd1 No.14130208
>>14129909
You can win with a base in antartica if you are good.
eb98dd No.14130221
>>14127700
>its freedom to lose
Well if you are retarded you do deserve to lose.
955340 No.14130723
>>14130112
scorched earth best earth
e8f1a3 No.14133345
>>14127297
since you know it so well, can you sned the sauce on over here?
4fd2f3 No.14133356
>ditch my x-com games when the telepaths show up
>always restart from the beginning when i get the urge to play again because by then its been so long i forget entirely what i was doing
true suffering
e8f1a3 No.14133383
>>14130208
playing against your illiterate baby brother doesnt count nigger
955340 No.14133428
>>14133383
>X-COM
>multiplayer
Do you even read the posts you reply to?
2ef6f3 No.14134515
>>14124495
I hope this is just bait, but if not: original. Go play OpenXcom.
2ef6f3 No.14134519
>>14133356
OpenXcom with line of sight psy enabled.
9b7b09 No.14140387
>>14124495
The Firaxis one is a pretty bad game, but with the Long War mod overhaul it's pretty great. I haven't played the original though, and it looks like the two play very differently.
8c37d0 No.14141534
>>14129188
But that's wrong.
b9cb31 No.14141560
>OP asks a question
>doesn't stick around to read answers
0cab5c No.14141623
>>14141560
His thread was hijacked by people who play games so it's all good.
d2aa46 No.14141638
>>14129188
>XCOM has nude mods
human or AYYlien?
72db47 No.14146374
>>14140387
not just playing a mega mod pack for open xcom
still playing fireaxis games
556d3e No.14146523
>>14146415
My problem with xenonauts its that it feels too bland, x-com has a 90's charm to it i really like.
I like the interception (and its music) in xenonauts though.
ca8185 No.14146569
>>14146523
It's a real shame because the advanced armors looks like something the Cobra Unit would use if it was painted blue. If your unit turned into a thinly veiled Cobra Unit and you into the Cobra Commander it would've had some great flavor.
bfbe4d No.14146624
>>14127700
Late to the party this time, but I have won once with the first base on Antarctica. It was on a low difficulty, but still….
8f2396 No.14146654
>>14146523
I liked the charm from the photos of the aircrafts. Those were really cool. But my problem with Xenonauts and with these games in general is that you have human guns, then lasers, then some human/ayy combo, then plasma. It's only 4 guns with 4 types of weapons. Shotgun, rifle, sniper and bazooka. It's all just too simple and needs some clarity that adds options along with making local governments feel more alive, sure you do get the occasional soldier but other than that they don't do anything. Also honestly how soldiers break down and panic. I thought these recruits were the top of the top, Navy Seals, Delta Force, Green Berets etc. They all have the most combat experience of people you can recruit yet they panic? Nah nigga. Armor in Xcom is too bulky and the armor in Xenonauts is plain as fuck. There also needs to be more gadgets imo.
ca8185 No.14146704
>>14146654
Xenonauts has an official mod (released by the devs) which adds a bunch of shit, and some fans basically went full autist mode so you can get into mech fights or call in for air support if you wanted to.
23cd2f No.14147315
X-COM
> Terror mission at night.
> Scout around, kill a few Snake Men, hear a lot of screaming during "ENEMY MOVEMENT", but not much else.
> Where the fuck is everybody?
> Finally make contact on other half of map
> chryssalids
> apparently most of the civilians spawned near the chryssalids
> they are now zombies
> leapfrog back to the Skyranger, fortunately only a few chryssalids follow right off or it would have been over right there
> set up a defensive perimeter by the LZ
> use hand grenades and full auto laser fire to clear all the cover in front of us (residential neighborhood map, hope somebody has homeowner's insurance)
> end up massacring a wave of chryssalids and zombies as they try to cross the open ground
> Rorkes_Drift.png
< complex gameplay emerges through mechanics
felt good man
nuXCOM
> pods! :^)
428152 No.14147548
>>14147315
Sure, but Ufo defence got old real fast. Lasers are basically cheats and well trained troops with laspistols and flying armor are immune to most of the shit the ayys can throw at you. Bombs? Explosions don't spread up z levels. Melee? Can't reach me. Psykers? Good luck trying to damage humans with friendly fire laser weapons. Firaxis shit is actually similar in that regard - after a point your A team is so stacked with gear and skills it's not even remotely challenging unless you intentionally trigger most of the map at once.
Frankly, the high mark of the series is TFTD. Lobsterman, small clips all around and the environment that favors the ayys in 99.9% of the encounters.
72db47 No.14147575
>>14147548
open xcom fixes most of these things
428152 No.14147605
>>14147575
Not entirely true. Lasers are still OP, still unlimited ammo, and the cannon actually becomes good. Your soldiers still reach ungodly stats with sufficient training.
72db47 No.14147614
>>14147605
in the mega pack mod it nerfs lasers and it has a ammo cap plus your stuck with ballistics for a good chunk of the game
79032a No.14147628
>>14147548
I'm still waiting for a proper remake of TFTD. There are too few underwater games already and you could do so much cool shit with depth pressure, light conditions and ballistics in that scenario.
ca8185 No.14147632
>>14147605
So wait, you actually just middle around and passively wait for the final mission to reach your lap? Nigga you have to research Cydonia, you're not one of those autists who try to research everything at once are you?
> Lasers are still OP
Bullets are pathetic, they can barely damage enemies later on you need the lasers. And why laser pistols? Just keep the mentally weakest guys disarmed and they'll uselessly target him over and over again.
428152 No.14147673
>>14147614
Sure enough but for the sake of argument we're talking vanilla or at least close to vanilla / openxcom
>>14147632
Certain types of ammo are more than effective even come muton stage. You use pistols as opposed to rifles because much cheaper snap shot/reaction (training), more but not too many more shots required to kill shit/aim training and off hand stun baton. Also because human armor is virtually invulnerable to laspistol shots.
>Nigga you have to research Cydonia
You know you can rush lasers real quick? In any case much quicker and with a far shorter requirement list than for the Avenger.
5bde7f No.14147732
You're all faggots.
Mario + Rabbids beats xcom:oldfag edition and nuxcom
ca8185 No.14147768
>>14147673
Vanilla open xcom fixes the difficulty settings so laser pistols become niche on Superman Difficulty since before open xcom all difficulties would default to the easiest one.
>Also because human armor is virtually invulnerable to laspistol shots.
Kick out everyone but one guy who has very weak willpower, leave that guy unarmed and take him on all missions, he will be mind controlled forever everyone else will be too strong willed and you can use laser rifles freely.
>You know you can rush lasers real quick?
Yes I know, the only way to get bored is to not immediately go for Cydonia once you've got things down pat. One live ship with a commander and all it's components in tact and you've got everything you need, you only need one country to fund you so just plant your ass in Russia where alien diplomats are put on a pike outside and let the rest of the council burn while you mass produce lasers at a profit and just dedicate yourself to research only shooting down UFOs and doing Terror missions to keep Russia happy.
428152 No.14147857
>>14147768
>before openxcom all difficulties would default to the easiest one.
Not true. First, bugs are heavily dependent on the version of the game you've got and second you had loader, bman's and some of the other precursor shit to openxcom that generally fixed things. The difficulty also doesn't impact the armor values from what I remember and having a fast weapon becomes all the more important when your enemies are faster and you still don't have your reactions capped.
>Kick out everyone but one guy who has very weak willpower, leave that guy unarmed and take him on all missions
You have your tactics and I have mine. Personally being able to use both your stun baton and your pistol with no penalty is good enough for me. Especially since by Cydonia I'll have a few dedicated plasma snipers to support the assaultfags.
43778d No.14160610
So I've played through the regular nuXcom campaign and have just started a new one in Within with several Second Wave options (Not created equally, Hidden potential, Absolutely critical, Aiming angles).
My first squad was comprised entirely of women, so I guess I was lucky to get and achievement there. When I checked my Barracks, it turned out I only had 2 men, one frenchie and a south african. What are the chances of that happening, considering my previous campaign only had like 2 women total in the barracks.
And this "diversity is our strength" bonus? I mean I can understand it from the gameplay standpoint, but come on, it was CY-2!
1938b6 No.14160718
I'm here purely for snek.
8f2396 No.14160725
>>14146704
I didn't even know there were mods for it. Is it from the steam workshop mods?
0cab5c No.14162723
>>14160610
Just make sure any soldiers you get from sweden you change to niggers so it's accurate. Might I suggest Tyrone Jamal nicknamed "Kang."
0be3ce No.14162737
I tried playing once but it went to shit and I could figure what was happening at any momment, any tips?
2ef6f3 No.14162745
>>14162737
Get a brain transplant.
5178eb No.14172749
ffea10 No.14172935
>>14127710
>>no base management
>base management is now a bad thing
The casual faggotry on this board is no longer containable.
ca8185 No.14182297
>>14172935
I might be misinterpreting your response but I'm pretty sure the Anon you're replying to agrees with you.
1bdcb5 No.14182443
>>14160610
>And this "diversity is our strength" bonus?
I do think that would be a bonus IRL.
Like, imagine youre in the position of fighting for humanity, and you can see great soldiers from all nations working side by side to defeat the aliens, i for one would be glad to know humanity is standing together and not in constant bickering.
f02947 No.14182461
>>14182443
>subhumans
>fighting for humanity
cabede No.14182537
>>14124495
This shouldn't even be a question
Nu-com was bad
Nu-com two was even worse.
f718e5 No.14182617
>>14182443
>>14182443
It's just a small Will bonus. You can argue it's a competitive drive to out-do foreign cucks.
1bdcb5 No.14182638
>>14182617
That too, the barracks must be full of banter.
23e8ce No.14183290
>>14124495
These questions trigger me to no end. The fact that you didn't hyphenate X-Com triggers me even more.
Fuck this fucking board.