fa00d2 No.14000806
Am I the only one who hates companions in games? Some make the game too easy, not allowing you to kill enemies by yourself and some are annoying even outside of combat.
I hate 9S so much, it's like that boring kid that won't shut up when you are trying to play but inside the game. Plus 2B gets closer to him as the game advances. Completely ruined it for me. If only you could at least ditch him telling him to do something else or just kill him somehow(ending I doesn't do much).
ab8e1d No.14000815
If they shut up I don't mind but when does that ever happen? It's like all party members are just thinly veiled developer commentary at this point.
5d5c51 No.14000842
I don't even like companions that kill things for me. They always ruin shit like stealth or headshots.
5eeeec No.14000852
>>14000806
I don't hate companions that are waifu material, support me, don't talk too much outside of dialogue, don't steal my kills, don't ruin my sneaking approach and that don't aggro the enemies.
de316a No.14000854
Plucky forced companions with perma-dreamworks face who crack wise nonstop should be killed with fire.
9S does not fall into this category play the rest of the game you eternal shit taste
fa00d2 No.14000855
>>14000842
This. Sometimes you have to get back to get more stamina or something and they just kill everything for you.
bc6d15 No.14000856
Pawns are both annoying and the one of the coolest things I've seen in video games.
e1c906 No.14000858
>>14000806
I don't think companions are bad, it's the way they're used that's bad. And the fact that they're all controlled by simple scripts.A companion with solid AI would be awesome in most games, assuming the game is balanced for it.
5eeeec No.14000893
>>14000856
Pawns are fine as long as you pick the qt females.
bc6d15 No.14000900
>>14000893
I don't hire other people's two-bit waifu knockoffs.
5de587 No.14000972
>>14000806
>am i the only one who hates a mechanic that turns games into a never ending escort mission
That means you're a sensible human being anon.
e2480c No.14000976
>>14000900
if you don't want your waifu molested then don't rent them out like a prostitute.
f20b91 No.14000985
I want to make an honest woman out of Umaru.
7c1f9c No.14000999
>>14000985
>Japanese Garfield
>ever
It's time to stop wasting other people's precious air.
e2480c No.14001024
>>14000999 (checked)
lets calibrate those trips with a song
b700c0 No.14001036
>>14000856
>create mage pawn
>she does everything perfectly
>attacks with the right element when needed, heals at just the right time
>decide to start a new game
>make pawn exactly the same as last time
>never attacks at the right time, lets me die all day because cant cast heal correctly
I just wanted to play a new class.
f20b91 No.14001048
>>14000999
>>14001024
Stop insulting my wife assholes
7c1f9c No.14001073
>>14001048
I thought about replying calling her trash, but then I realised I would be insulting trash by dragging it down to Japanese Garfield's level. The only thing trashier than her is your taste.
644335 No.14001112
>>14000806
I hate them when they are AI controlled.
d1ca29 No.14001135
>>14001036
Pawn inclination needs to be set to the correct thing for them to have the right behavior. You're supposed to buy those special potions from the bearded guy in the encampment to set and reset the pawn's inclination, otherwise you basically just get something random and it's almost always shitty.
a751cd No.14001157
>>14000806
I don't hate the concept but I'm often unimpressed by the execution.
5bb3ed No.14001161
>>14000806
>Plus 2B gets closer to him as the game advances. Completely ruined it for me.
Wait, you got cucked by the AI companion? how sad of a existence you must have to have something like that happen to you?
a751cd No.14001170
>>14001157
Addendum:
I find that the idea of having companions is often spoiled by them just being turned into mouthpieces for the developer, or having no personality whatsoever. I find that a companion that's an interesting companion is fine to travel with, but I can't tolerate them otherwise.
e2480c No.14001222
>>14001073
Hey leave Mark alone… plus I secretly sorta like Japanese Garfield
182969 No.14001238
>>14001222
What a waste of trips tbh.
6d5c89 No.14001253
Companions are annoying because 9/10 times they're not well integrated with the world, can take up room and generally are not intelligent enough to take cover and alert enemies.
Having a companion feel real, like a real living person is a challenge, as they're meant to fill in the roll of traditional table-top RPGs of an actual person who can respond in real time, and many companies miss this mark.
Which is why bethesdass is terrible
83f0ac No.14001585
I feel you, OP.
Sometimes they are not even companions, but allies. I hate that I disliked something about them and I'm forced to still interact and talk to them.
Way worse when my own character enjoys them. When they are just a random shopkeeper or something it's "fine". Wish there were more people as retarded as I am so devs would add you options to offend random friendly NPCs and eventually let you tell them to fuck off and not get their help anymore.
2b5261 No.14001745
>>14001036
>>14001135
Inclination only affects what actions pawns will prioritize. So, Guardians will focus on hugging/buffing/healing the player, Challengers/Mitigators/Scathers will focus on killing ranged enemies/trash mobs/boss monsters, Nexii are like Guardians but for other pawns. Pioneers have a longer leash, aquisitors are aught fetchers, medicants heal themselves more. Utilitarians use skills more, or something?
b700c0s' problem is bestiary knowledge. Pawns don't start with any info on enemies, so they have to learn. Either through watching: the player, another pawn or stumbling upon it themselves.
So, for instance
>The goblin took more damage from fire, it must be weak to it!
>The Wyrm isn't taking more damage from our ice, it seems to be reisistant.
>This monster has a weakpoint, I must tell master!
>Attacking the head can stun it, the Arisen will no doubt be proud once I inform him.
>Burning the wings stops it from flying!
>The big black man with the scythe is scary. We should run!
And so on. Like as not the first mage got hired out more and saw more tactics as a result, while the second didn't get out much at all.
Pawns are seriously the coolest thing in vidya to come out this decade. They're on the level of F.E.A.Rs' AI/Radio chatter. Also rate.
eba9cf No.14001784
>>14001745
Something about the cheek structure and chin is off.
d1ca29 No.14001821
>>14001745
>only affects what actions pawns will prioritize
You make it sound like that's a small difference. Inclinations have a huge effect on how pawns behave in combat. The wrong inclination can result in a pawn that just sits there doing fuckall, and the right inclination can result in a pawn that gets in the drake's fucking face and goes HAM. Bestiary knowledge doesn't play into it at all, and if his pawn is fucking around and not hitting the enemy with it's sword/bow/spells then you have an inclination problem.
Better bestiary knowledge only has a minor effect on their performance against that specific foe, and sometimes has no effect at all outside of them actually calling out what the foe's weakness is.
5e4bc7 No.14001832
>>14000856
I love the idea of an AI partner that learns based off your playstyle, but I feel like the game would be better if you could just specify inclinations without the need for using potions. Why do they need a potion just for me to say "Try to use more healing spells"?
644335 No.14001837
>>14001832
>if you could just specify inclinations without the need for using potions
They change based on how you play.
fe0ec4 No.14001847
>>14001073
sleep snug, smug
d1ca29 No.14001856
>>14001837
>>14001832
One of the reasons people usually end up with shitty pawns is because they spawn the "Come" command to make their pawns catch up while traveling and shit, and that causes inclination to nudge towards Guardian every single time you do it. Guardians are the worst pawns because they sit there right next to you with their weapon drawn and DON'T FUCKING DO ANYTHING. In contrast, spamming the "Go" command will nudge pawns towards the Pioneer inclination, which makes them wander more and extends the "range" around the Arisen that they are capable of moving on their own.
358d3c No.14001868
>>14000806
>hating 9S
Stopped reading there
b17a8d No.14002416
OP either didn't finish the game or is a faggot.
9S is the best video game protagonist since DMC1 Dante.
644335 No.14002444
>>14002416
He's just a dumb edgelord.
644335 No.14002465
>>14002459
You mean trips of truth.
e3c51f No.14002466
>>14000806
This is your favourite part of the game?
f896a6 No.14002572
Personally, I always find games much more enjoyable when I don't have some annoying AI partners bumbling after me. Even when they help, I feel less satisfied, because I hate having things be done for me. If I have to actually look after and protect them, that's the worst. It's like I can't just do whatever I feel like doing, my decisions have to take my partner's dumb ass into account, and I'm basically on a leash. Sometimes it completely kills the atmosphere too, like in Resident Evil 5.
791ab9 No.14010184
>>14001024
Kek, I miss this kind of retarded newgrounds flash animation shit.
5849df No.14010230
>>14000842
It's been so many years since I thought of that little fucker. My cousin got jet force gemini from blockbuster and I hovered as Floyd with the controller in and helped him fight for what felt like a month. Those were good days. Thank you for digging that memory up.
f987b1 No.14010337
5849df No.14010354
>>14010337
Is your cousin also lost to the world now? Is he a shell of what he was and could have been?
f987b1 No.14010360
>>14010354
That goes for all cousins and most family.
8ce6da No.14010431
>>14000806
In GTA San Andreas companions work pretty well.
They give you an atmosphere more than anything but they'll be able to take a few shots and kill 1 or 2 guys before they go down.
I've spent many hours fucking around the map with my niggas in my car.
98dd54 No.14010806
Kingpin: Life of Crime had good ones. In fact, they were essential to beating the game on harder difficulties.
f2b59d No.14010870
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>>14010184
>>14001024
This is Spazkid-tier.
5adb2c No.14010895
>>14010870
Is that a good thing?
5adb2c No.14010904
How much of an autistic faggot do you need to be to think 9S is annoying?
13be72 No.14010921
I usually prefer them silent and as customizable as the main character. Though I don't mind chatty companions like pawns from DD. It varies by game how much I like them, the ones in Star Wars: Republic Commando kicked ass and it was always nice to hear the occasional banter. The ones in The Bureau: XCOM Declassified sucked ass however and constantly needed to be watched over.
57545c No.14010957
>>14010921
>The Bureau: XCOM
Can we talk about how great that game was? aside from the core mechanic of having to constantly tell your companions to wipe their own asses, it was really underrated and panned just because it wasn't really an XCOM game so it was doomed from the start
5adb2c No.14010982
>>14010957
I played that game a year back and it was mediocre to bad throughout. It wasn't just because it wasn't an XCOM game, otherwise it would've pulled in a ton of console kiddies who never played an XCOM game. It was just a bad game.
c6db9d No.14010985
>>14010904
He’s standard shota fare with a crush on the MC. That’s inherently annoying. How did you get the game to stop crashing every half hour, by the way?
f2b59d No.14010994
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>>14010895
In the same sense that if Big Rigs was made intentionally to make people laugh, it would be a "good thing."
5ec3d7 No.14010996
>>14010957
>literally a generic third-person shooter
>great
Get better taste.
6c4ded No.14011003
I don't like companions either, but since there are no more nier threads might as well put this here. Who thought it was a good idea to take away half your combos after you beat it with 2b and give you that lame ass minigame? If it was the other way around it would have been fine.. but I hated it so much I dropped the game
57545c No.14011005
>>14010982
>>14010996
Ok fine, maybe my opinion is objectively wrong.
6e4df8 No.14011244
>>14001073
sleep snug, smug
6e4df8 No.14011250
So does he fuck the perfect ass clang?