/v/ - Video Games

It obvioulsy has vast potential, but let's face it the best LotR/Hobbit game will remain the (((Goyim Workshop))) tabletop because the others are somehow bigger Jews

Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

We don't need more cancerous additions to his works. What he gave us was more than we could ask for. Just let LotR die fondly.

>>13926940

I am currently reading akallabeth, and thinking that tolkien setting indeed has a lot of potential like >>13926929 said, but that potential never comes realized. Not even a nice rpg with some decent strategic elements came out of it. Only shitty movie inspired beat em ups, and 2 good strategy games. Well, there was Tales of Middle Earth, but that roguelike is pretty forgotten.

>>13926921

>What do you guys think of Lord of the Rings in gaming industry?

So far, most LotR games have been pretty good, surprisingly enough.

>Do you believe this setting still has a chance?

That depends if they keep playing loose with the license. We're off to a pretty bad start with those horrible Shadow of Mordor games.

>Or EA having a tight grip on it will forever kill it?

I think you're confusing that with Star Wars. EA lost the license somewhere around 2010, it's currently being held by WB. The movie license, at least.

>Why people value Tolkien so much, they constantly copy him?

Because it works and people are familiar with it. You don't really have to establish orcs and elves because most people have a pretty good idea of what dwarves and elves should be like. Also, it hearkens back to European mythology, which most people are at least vaguely familiar with.

I actually prefer generic orcs & elves to shitty OC races

Lord of the Rings world is boring and static, confined by its own story. I prefer games that borrow elements from it but are made as games from the start with the original story facilitating the game and not the other way around.

>What does vee think

WE think you should kill yourself.

>>13927434

the only correct answer in a datamining thread. check 'em

>>13926921

I haven't played many games based on Tolkien's world. The only one I played was a game based on The Fellowship of the Ring for the original Xbox.

I think The Lord of the Rings is largely inseparable from its medium. It was written to be an English version of a Norse saga. You can adapt the world to another medium, but you're always going to lose that literary quality in the transition.

>Why people value Tolkien so much, they constantly copy him?

In a nutshell, Tolkien did a ton of research and took all of the coolest parts of Western mythology and turned it into a story palatable to Christians and the Western mind in general. That was his intention from the start and he succeeded. It's just a world ripe for storytelling.

Prince of Nothing game when?

>>13927803

>Shadows of the Hedgehog original character insert do not steal is not what i want to ever see touching LotR.

Already happened with Shadow of Mordor anon.

>>13927271

>Lord of the Rings world is boring and static, confined by its own story.

Oh dear.

>>13926921

The games industry should just leave Tolkien fantasy and The Lord of The Rings alone and just do what every other hack creative does. Create a fantasy world that totally isn't apeing Tolkien fantasy we swear. Shadow of War would have been better if it was it's own ripoff fantasy world as opposed to being a LoTR spinoff that shits all over so much pre-established canon.

Lord of the Rings is actually pretty boring for vidya games.

>>13926921

Tolkien's grave should be laid to rest, but his son leaving his position in Tolkien's estate, expect more raping and diversity bullshit in the future with Silmarillion adapations.

>>13928201

This was one of the best pieces of advice I received while studying game design. You should show and not tell, but just because you aren't prattling on for 15 minutes about exposition only 5% of your players care about doesn't mean that the amount of effort you put into crafting the lore and background doesn't show. If you put effort into your setting, it will show even if your game takes place in a tiny part of it. I hate to bring it up but Dark Souls is a decent example of this, although the background to be discovered is not actually that deep, it's mostly about character arcs.

>>13927755

Sad that most people decide to take the most superficial shit from him and fuck it up.

>>13927994

I bought LotR:Conquest on release. Up there with GW2 as one of the worst decisions I make.

>>13928312

>>13928201

Show over tell is always great. If your writers are not up to the task then going for a licensed property with a solid existing body of (at least semi-)consistent lore is the next best thing (basically the VTM:B solution).

>>13928459

Don't forget the current meme that he was a racist.

>>13928658

>>13928678

He was kind of racist, though mostly benign. Things like mentioning "Mongoloid blood" or the like (though I'm paraphrasing). It's not really a new idea. For some reason he liked Jews, though. He hated Hitler because he didn't like Germanic mythology and literature being associated with him.

>>13928678

>muh orcs are muslims/niggers

>muh white supremacy (elves)

It's not even remotely close to the truth as usual. Muslims are represented by a different people in the setting which never even show up in the trilogy. Tolkien described his design philosophy for creating orcs and he said something to the effect of, "I wanted to make an "evil" race which is not so evil that they cannot be redeemed, because that's un-Christian, so I wrote in that orcs are tainted elves." I don't think there is too much in the way of direct cultural influence for the orcs, but maybe I'm wrong.

>>13928809

Yeah, I was just thinking of his personal beliefs.

His works aren't really racist at all.

>>13928678

Take your fucking pick from the normal selection of mental-illness inspired 'I'm a victim' nonsense:

>Why aren't there black people and gay people every three steps

>Trying to write a saga/fantasy tale for the UK (part of Tolkien's project with LotR and the other stories in the same world) is inherently racist because it excludes minorities

>Sam and Frodo were clearly written to be gay but Tolkien was a self-hating homosexual who couldn't handle that so he toned it down. This is fucking crazy if you know the origin of the Beren and Lúthien's story he literally wrote it about his wife and their experience but hey, that would involve actually reading some of his work instead of just watching the films.

>Inherently good and inherently evil races are a racist idea (note: plenty of people from the 'good' races do 'evil' things and the only truly evil race would be Orcs who are actually just corrupted elves)

>Describing the criminals/thugs in and around the Shire as ugly, swarthy etc is racist

>The idea of Ancient bloodlines is racist and overly conservative/monarchist

>Kings are sexist

>No trannies

>No women in the Fellowship

>Elves are an idealisation of white people because they have no flaws (wrong on both counts)

>Orcs are clearly an analogy for blacks and/or kebab, Tolkien was a racism on a related note he was, by the way, an early opponent of South African Apartheid

>The 'Eastern Men' who fight for Sauron only after being essentially lied to iirc are islamophobic stereotypes

>LotR is an analogy for Tolkien's worries about post-war immigrations Tolkien is, once again, on record as repeatedly and quite forcefully saying he hated direct analogy in writing

>Using the term light for good and dark for evil is white privilege

>Tolkien occasionally used the term Mongoloid, despite it being the recognised (and correct) term for those from Eastern Europe/Asia at the time. I mean by modern standards you might have a case but that relies on a misunderstanding of the terminology of the time

>Tolkien was a Nazi because he liked Nordic sagas and so did they extremely silly because he's on record as explicitly anti-Nazi in large part because he viewed them, rightly or wrongly, as hijacking and eventually discrediting Nordic history/Nordic pride instead of valuing their own - and distinct - Germanic culture

>Numenor is kind of like Atlantis and some of the crazier Nazis thought the German people came from Atlantis (I'm not even sure the second part is true never mind the first bit)

>Tolkien thought Franco was the lesser of two evils in Spain and was generally anti-Communist (and explicitly anti-Stalin), obviously this is badwrong since only Nazis and/or Fascists would think like that though to be fair mixing up Nazi and Fascist is a common mistake

>Muh 'eurocentrism' (in a fucking psuedo-saga intended to be set in fucking sort-of-Western Europe of all things)

>Tolkien said we shouldn't Dresden all of Germany, this makes him a Nazi (calling him a Nazi is a common one, you'd think they'd at least accuse him of something he isn't on fucking record as denying even before WW2)

>It's just like how America acted after 9/11, releasing the films at such a time was irresponsible and helped create/justify Islamophobic paranoia

>The Battle of Helm's Deep is a racist analogy for colonial events like the Boxer Rebellion and the Indian Mutiny where white people had to hide inside buildings and shoot poorly armed natives. This one appeared to be a misunderstanding of the fact that the film's version was based off of iconic scenes from the film Zulu but frankly I wasn't going to ask the faggot in question to explain his retarded views.

I've read some variety or another of all of the above in various places on the internet and actually heard most from people in real life modern Western universities are a fucking joke and really are populated by the most cucked humans around. Don't waste your cash or your time on them. There's probably more but it all starts to blur into a mass of fucking stupidity after a while.

>>13928751

>For some reason he liked Jews, though

I suspect this was mostly a reaction to his personal dislike of the Nazis combined with his interest in the way their language worked, never forget how much of a language-autist Tolkien was.

>He hated Hitler because he didn't like Germanic mythology and literature being associated with him.

Well that association did make it almost impossible to take pride or even interest in such things for decades afterwards and even now it's liable to get you labelled as a racist without some sort of 'excuse'. When you watch the field you've based you life's work on become fucking pariah-tier in 11 or so years after a group of politicians hijacked it for their own ends you'd be pretty fucking mad too.

Also the destruction of any knowledge/culture/language/art seems to have rubbed him up the wrong way, whatever the reason for that destruction.

>>13928833

They're "racist" because it's a celebration, a tribute even, to Western (read: white) culture and mythology, and he is "racist" for preferring that sort of culture. Typical shit. There was also vague mentions of the "dangers of the Eastern peoples" or something like that, he was blatantly referencing the Mongols (who most people nowadays have trouble remembering even though they hijacked most of the known world for a good little period of time). The orc invasion from Mordor is a reference to the Mongol invasion but Orcs aren't really similar to Mongols except for the fact that they don't really do agriculture.

>>13928889

Unfortunately I need to go to uni to do medicine.

Anyway

>tfw no elven gf

>tfw everyone else portrays elves as fags.

>>13928903

> destruction of any knowledge/culture/language/art seems to have rubbed him up the wrong way

That sort of stuff make me angry too. Whenever I see some old looking statue getting demolished all I want to do is demolish the cunts doing it.

>>13928993

>Unfortunately I need to go to uni to do medicine.

I'd expect that to have a better quality of student anyway, at least after the useless fucks drop out in the early years. If you're in bongland perhaps a lot of pakis.

>tfw no elven gf

In Tolkien's shit Elf-human relationships do not generally end well, at the very least even if they do there's a lot of shit to go through first.

>>13929013

>That sort of stuff make me angry too. Whenever I see some old looking statue getting demolished all I want to do is demolish the cunts doing it.

That's the correct response, it's not acceptable under any circumstances. If you want to get mad look up what the Taliban did to a pair of old statues back in the 80s (70s? I forget the exact date).

>>13929050

>>13929115

>lookatmeimtehmememeisterlol:p

>>13929119

>having shit taste

>>13929119

knife-eared faggot right here

>>13928889

>on a related note he was, by the way, an early opponent of South African Apartheid

Good on him, makes up for his luddite faggotry. Modern South Africa is the textbook example of why niggers should never be treated as humans.

>the German people came from Atlantis

They didn't believe this, though. The myth was about the land of Thule (most likely an old name for Norway) and it was never part of official Nazi ideology, just something a few of the Nazis focused on occultism liked to jerk off to.

>Tolkien thought Franco was the lesser of two evils in Spain

Between leftists and anything else the "anything else" is always the lesser of two evils, mostly because you're less likely to starve to death.

>cucked humans

Golems, anon, golems. Being human requires having a soul and some expression of free will.

>There's probably more but it all starts to blur into a mass of fucking stupidity after a while.

The thing with leftists is that everything that comes out of their mouths is white noise. They'll spin a million lines of bullshit, but what it always comes down to is this: "White men should not be allowed to enjoy anything, their sole purpose in life is to pay for their own extermination and then quietly die in a ditch". These people hate you, me, and everyone like us, they want us dead, and the sooner we give up and die the better. That's why they deserve no mercy or tolerance.

>>13929389

Didn't Tolkien base the dwarfs on Jews?

>>13929412

Yeah, I think the whole dwarven obsession of gold and craftsmanship was inspired by the Jews as well. Not to mention, Israel is pretty mountainous

>>13929412

Yes.

>>13929324

>Good on him, makes up for his luddite faggotry.

Luddite is a bit of a stretch, Tolkien wasn't really anti-technology he was just in favour of limiting the damage industrialisation might do to the countryside.

>They didn't believe this, though. The myth was about the land of Thule (most likely an old name for Norway) and it was never part of official Nazi ideology, just something a few of the Nazis focused on occultism liked to jerk off to.

Ah, I guessed there'd be a grain of truth in it somewhere. Still a massive reach though, Himmler was the only high-ranking Nazi who had any real care for occultism and even that is heavily overstated.

>>13929416

Also, the fact they lack a soul.

>>13929448

>Himmler was the only high-ranking Nazi who had any real care for occultism and even that is heavily overstated.

Himmler actually wanted Germany to reconnect with their pre-Christian cultural heritage. How much of what he pushed for was actually historically accurate and not one huge LARP is debatable, but there was method to his madness at least.

>>13929459

>Himmler actually wanted Germany to reconnect with their pre-Christian cultural heritage. How much of what he pushed for was actually historically accurate and not one huge LARP is debatable, but there was method to his madness at least.

As with all things it gets clouded up with sensationalist history and propaganda.

>>13929459

>Also, the fact they lack a soul.

What? I'm reading the Hobbit now and it never says dwarfs don't have souls? Is it in the other books?

How long until real KANGZ take over Gondor n shieet?

>>13926921

Christopher Tolkien losing the rights to the franchise has killed it. We’ll see a story with a dyke Haradrim female as queen of Gondor within ten years. This is not a joke or hyperbole.

>>13929486

Someone more familiar with the lore can explain it better, but basically one of the higher beings blew his load early and made the dwarfs without the consent of the head deity, hence them not being alive in the sense of other beings of ME, but the god took pity on them and gave them the gift of life.

>>13929510

Didn't that already happen in Shadow of War?

>>13929528

Fuck off with that shit. They have no place in LOTR.

>>13929543

It always starts with "just" one nigger.

>>13929382

even in movies BtS they mentioned how Tolkien created multiracial multicultural universe or some shit but it was from mouth of some 40y so they probably inserted and edited a lot of shit.

>>13929531

I see, I guess I'll find out when I read the other books, thank you.

>>13929543

Just you wait for the Amazon series

>>13929651

LOTRO is probably the best of the f2p cash shop MMOs, you can earn the currency in game pretty easy compared to games like STO. That said it''s still a f2p MMO with a cash shop.

>>13929382

While they are called "races" they function like completely different species. I think the use of humanoid "races" in a fantasy setting is similar to alien "races" in a sci-fi setting.

"race" is used as more of a catch-all term to describe any group of sentient creatures. Sure that sounds subjective, but even dragons are sometimes considered a race. But a race of what? Not a race of humans, that's for sure.

>>13929543

>posting a virgin faggot that was edgy

>loved his Jewish cousin and when getting 3dpd he backtracked all of his hate

We don't need a /pol/ history lesson. We know them already :^}

>>13929528

HAHA, IT'S FANTASY!! HOW CAN YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT ARAGORN BEING BLACK IN A WORLD WITH MAGIC A DRAGONS HAHAHA! XD

>>13929525

>being renowned as stubborn and capable warriors

They were stubborn, and they were warriors, but that was thousands of years ago.

>creating anything

They sure loved making idols.

>>13929528

Weren't there some dark-skinned foreigners that got mentioned in LOTR or the Silmarillion?

My memory is pretty fuzzy on that since I'm pretty sure they were only mentioned once or twice.

>>13930494

That, and their first meeting with elves went to shit if I'm remembering correctly.

>>13930657

>That, and their first meeting with elves went to shit if I'm remembering correctly

Right, yeah. The elves thought of them as animals and hunted them for sport until some elves were like "You know, these stout little half-people are wearing clothes, using tools and seem to be pleading for their lives, maybe we're actually slaughtering sentient creatures".

>>13927906

> Create a fantasy world that totally isn't apeing Tolkien fantasy we swear.

its like you hate profits

>>13930494

They have as much of a soul as other living beings tho, as Eru Iluvatar felt sympathy towards Aulë after he found out the dwarf-shapes he had made in secret and decided to bestow them life

>>13930657

Unlike deviating species the fantasy races are capable of interbreeding together and produce viable offspring, that's why they are called races instead of species

>>13930730

Is that art based off Tolkien's work? It's pretty nice.

>>13930756

I think you replied to the wrong post. But yeah, most fantasy and sci-fi stuff is to the point where you could probably produce viable offspring with a fucking rock.

>>13930770

That's a direct quote from the Silmarillion, right? If so, I'm glad memory didn't fail me.

>>13930781

Yeah, I don't have a copy of the Silmarillion right now, so when the wiki page didn't mention it I assumed my memory was faulty.

>>13930848

The Maccabees retook Judea. Also Samson.

>>13930836

Technically that rock was made of the Earthbones, while men and mer are descended from the Earthbones. So by TES lore, sexing up a rock and having a child isn't just plausible, it's probably pretty common.

>>13930873

What's your point? Are you sure you read the previous posts?

>>13930836

>that image

The fucking madmen, they actually did it.

>>13930848

Yeah, that Nordic part is the most obvious inspiration, but LOTR is influenced by more than just one historic culture. It's just most of his inspiration was European legends, since he was European. Also, he got people to realize how great Beowulf was.

>>13930873

The ancient Jews certainly like their fighting and also losing and retaking Jerusalem every other century. I think there was also that guy whose sons killed a village full of people while they were recovering from circumcision, and the whole thing between David and Saul.

>>13929115

>>13929050

These aren't you dad's elves. These are tolkiens elves. With preposterous amounts of testosterone.

They'll cut you up, bitch!

>>13929050

>>13929115

Tolkien's elves are superhuman you know they also had no sex drive

>>13930848

They have large noses and are greedy

>>13926921

There are so many good mods for other games (TW, CK2)and free roguelikes like Angband that the official vidya tbh aren't necessary and in all honesty shit.

The LoTR fighting game was good and Online was ok for the community but the rest are utter shit.

>>13927117

i liked it

>>13930848

>. On top of the Runes you have the names of the dwarves in the hobbit not even 15 pages into the poetic eddas

the names dwrves have in the hobbit are not their real names, they're secondary names to use when around non-dorfs. (much like how jews have a secondary name to use when around the goyim)

Dwarves are very protective of their language, so no one knows their true names, or much of their secretive language.

some of them talk in private using dwarf sign language.

>>13933232

Gimli freely spouts off the name of every landmark in moria, Balins name is printed as Balin on his tomb, as is his father Fundin, and the dwarves previously attempted to teach their languages to humans but they couldn't grasp it but held on to a few words. The "inner name" thing is something that I think only results from Tolkiens adolation of the jews, it never has any impact on the universe at all, its just a background fun fact, it doesn't even hold up when it matters like the previously mentioned tomb of Balin. I also don't see how a bunch of introverted mountain dwellers having a private sign language makes them kikes.

>>13935083

So did aragorn know dwarvish or not?

>>13935610

So did you actually read my post or not?

>attempted to teach their languages to humans but they couldn't grasp it