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I play it, its pretty good.

There are a few things that kill my interest when I reach the very endgame.

Mostly that the endgame is just built around trying to avoid one-shots and you get bursted for 3/4 of your health regularly.

And running yellow maps with lots of sextants and mods over and over is really boring, and so is Uberlab.

>>13892223

I get you. Once I switched to softcore it became so boring so fast. New expansion is not helping it:

>finally endgame-expansion

>it is atlas+

We need more stuff to do. At least one new mechanic worked kinda like breaches, and breaches are fun.

>>13892191

>I don't even remember if people have talked about this game here

That's because you need to lurk more.

We had a few decent threads when 3.0 came out. Whats new now that harbinger is ending?

>>13892389

New expansion is in a week where they partly rework reflect, add some ingame content, new league that seems more similar to breach and new gems/uniques.

Not that much seems to be changing.

I really want a map boss rework where the map bosses behave like the bosses in act 5 to 10 and have actual mechanics to play against.

But then again, if I was in charge of this it'd be more of a weird mix of Diablo 2, Dark Souls and Devil May Cry centered around bossfights and style.

>>13892191

New league looks good so far. Gonna start with a cheap spectre build for easy farming if GGG didn't nerf it.

>>13892319

>>13892370

>>13892389

Woops, fuck me then. I've been on and off /v/ for a while and only started playing at the very end of legacy, played some harbinger and got distracted by other games. But this league and expansion look like a good excuse to actually get through all the content instead of my usual restart-itis. Planning a caustic arrow build as my first character.

Too busy playing Grim Dawn.

>>13892223

I feel much the same way. It is horrendous that they chose to stick to instant log-out just to save the small minority of hardcore players with unstable internet the pain of losing a character to a disconnect. The game suffers at a fundamental level due to everything is designed around the fact that any threatening situation can be negated with a log-out macro. The day they decide to give up on that design philosophy and embrace skill-based gameplay challenges is the day the game becomes truly great.

>>13893118

The game doesn't really need to be always online in the first place.

>>13893118

>The game suffers at a fundamental level due to everything is designed around the fact that any threatening situation can be negated with a log-out macro

Only if you're a literal subhuman with zero self control. You're like those console spergs that claim modding is shit because there's nothing stopping you from deliberately downloading gamebreaking cheat mods which destroy the balance and ruin the experience. For the rest of us, we exercise self control. If I know doing X is going to ruin the game for me, I just avoid doing X. This isn't a difficult concept.

I'm all in favour of having bosses in an arena as main focuse for the end game, as long as you

>let me move in arena larger than 2 square metres

>let me see what the fuck is going on

>the boss doesn't spam homing invisible bullshit

>the boss doesn't spam laggy effects

>the boss doesn't have invulnerable phases

So far they have failed for most of the bosses. The fact that it's all one-shot deaths or no deaths at all doesn't help either, and with the removal of vaal pact i really don't know what to expect from the next meta.

I mean, you're still gonna get hit from bullshit but this time you can't jump back to full health immediatly. Now other than one shots there's gonna be deaths where an hit takes 95% of your HP and if you get hit again you're dead, and i'm not sure if that's good or bad.

inb4 play HC - i literally can't due to lag, the game seems to freeze but everything looks normal, then it speeds up.

>>13893508

>The fact that it's all one-shot deaths or no deaths at all

maybe you should try to git gud and not facetank every bosses. Without VP people will have to learn patterns, even if few of them are tricky (they even removed immune), and invest a little bit in defense mechanics. Most of damage spikes/deaths come mostly from unexpected pack of monsters & map mods… And lags. Hard to tell the next meta without full patch notes.

>>13893649

Okay I'm gonna go out on a limb and call you retarded, and the next meta is going to be stacking tons of HP and getting a skill that requires minimal attack investment to sustain yourself

>>13893649

>maybe you should try to gid gud

It literally doesn't matter, at one point the boss is gonna crit with an auto attack and it's gonna hit you for 15k. Of course you could argue that you could blind the boss, stay at a distance, use decoy totem, stack dodge/block/damage reduction or even have an EHP greater than 15k. All that will help you survive, and if you wanna call it getting gud go ahead. Then a beyond boss comes out of nowhere and uses vaal DD on the 500 corpses you just created, the game freezes and kicks you out, and you login to find your character dead. There's no getting gud in this game.

>>13893731

>Dying to auto attacks

Have you considered stacking armor??

>>13893749

:^)

>>13893749

What about when the boss dies, but a connection spike kicks you out before you can collect the loot? How will gitting gud prevent that?

>>13893649

One shots happen all the fucking time, you're only safe if you have 8k+ hp overcapped elemental resists, fortify, endurance charges and incoming physical damage reduced or converted to ele, which is a an absurdly high investment and leaves points for nothing else.

To pretend this game has well choreographed bosses, mobs or even effects that are easily discernible is just utterly delusional.

You have black ground effects that drain HP on dark floors, fucking Harbingers that make everything blue no matter what they are and flood the screen with effects, shit like burning ground or smoke that obscures shit and things I can't even think about.

Or retarded shit like reflect which can one shot you offscreen if you are ranger, detonate dead which will nuke you instantly, mobs critting or retarded uniques like titty bitch in Uberatziri.

This isn't like Devil May Cry or Dark souls where everything (usually) has a good animation with wind up time and a sound cue to tip you off, its fucking chaos and you will get fucked with zero fault of your own.

Defense layers are fucked:

Armor is trash because it only works against small, fast physical hits

Dodge and Evasion are literally RNG which will fail you eventually

Endurance Charges require a good investment and are on most builds already.

Fortify is already on every build.

Mind Over Matter is on every caster build.

Oneshots happen still, every fucking day some streamer dies on stream due to shit they couldn't reasonably see or expect.

>>13893760

If you play enough for any one boss's loot drops to matter, you're obviously at a high level. In which case, you spent a considerable amount of time on the league, so you should know when your connection will be flaky. Ergo, it's your fault for running Shaper 5 mins before the realm goes down, etc.

>>13893764

My connection is always flaky.

>>13893763

People use MoM? It's… okay. I guess.

Dodge and Evasion compliment each other. While it's possible to get bad RNG from being hit, they actually synergize in such a way to avoid that.

Evasion has a rolling counter so if you have an expected 80% evasion rate, 1 in 5 hits WILL hit, guaranteed. But dodge is strictly rng, which means if you fail your evasion roll because of the counter, dodge/block can still trigger and save your ass. Even 4% block matters because it gives you an additional trigger. In addition to this, CWS+Immortal Call applies before damage is taken, which means if you are stunned (see: melee-range caster dps) you'll take no physical damage.

>>13893783

Too bad it's still pure RNG on when dodge decides to work. And if you don't stack life out the ass that 1 hit that gets through is probably gonna be a one shot, not to mention it doesn't work on spells

>>13893649

you can literally stack like 6 layers of defense and still get one hit or instakilled by bad luck. friends don't let friends play hc. the game will never be balanced right for offence or defence because of the ridiculous amount of possibilities for builds

>>13893809

Just never get attached to your character. Take a zen approach.

>>13893820

i'd like to not but I typically deliberate on what build I want to try out for a few days because there's not many im interested in so when I finally do find something I like, i'd rather not lose it to dice rolls

>>13893783

the Scorching Ray Trickster that i'll be making my main build (for now) makes high use of MoM, since trickster makes it incredibly easy to regenerate mana back; and it's a regen based build at that, I don't think i've ever played a safer build. No need to be constantly hitting anything either, just gotta take a split second to refresh the ray stacks and focus on dodging. Very chill.

>>13893933

I always wanted to try self-casting scorching ray but always end up with totems. What should I play for the next patch?

>>13893731

>Not having DD when you run beyond mods/strongboxs

>>13893763

all really dangerous bosses are choreographed (atziri/guardians/shaper/izaro/trio/wolfguy_in_darkforest/chayula). I didn't said you cannot be oneshot, I said map bosses were not the problem, and barely a threat when you're used to it. Still accident can happen but most 1-shot are : porcupine pack, DD totem offscreen, reflect offscreen, delayed bearers explosion, that one double reflect invasion boss (nerfed it iirc?), HH doing too much damage for reflect etc… I hope they really fix all this shit with the new league

>>13894044

Accidents? No, you just need to git gud. Just spend 15 exalts to reroll your t6 map to get some safe mods, when you enter the map you first send your +150% mov speed expendable character, trying to stay alive while scouting the whole map and take notes of every single pack and its mods. 20 minutes later when you're done, you can switch to your main, and proceed to kill each mob individually and then explode it with DD.

Like, git gud man.

>>13892191

I got banned and locked out from my account for shitposting on the general chat. Fuck this game.

>>13894303

>>its all sjw propaganda

Like what?

>>13894336

You don't get banned for a little trash talk in chat, i've seen global on the regular; how badly did you fuck up

>>13894351

>enter new zone

>white devil oppressing all the POC

>swastika flags in prison

>enter the first "town" (that was taken from the ebil naughtzees)

>German imperial eagle symbols on floor

>>13894355

It was something related to one of the recenet Muslim terrorist attacks, either on US or Europe (don't remember which one). I mentioned "Religion of Peace" and "Allahu Snackbar", and that was it: first I got an 8 hours ban from chat, then a 268 hours ban from chat (while I was still banned, so it was for the same offense), then I closed the game to do my laundry and when I came back, it wasn't logging from my Steam account. I tried again on the following day so I concluded that I was banned, uninstalled this fucking snowflake bullshit game, and went back to playing Tree of Savior.

I may also have mentioned that GGG is the name of a German studio who does degenerate bukkake porn, so that could also have helped.

>>13894092

What's the fun in that?

>>13894407

>german imperial eagle

>>13894407

Wait. What zone is this?

>>13894634

If he's talking about act five, that's Roman slave pits and Roman eagles.

>>13894665

Did the Romans have a red/white/black flag? It was identical to the Imperial German's "infamous" flag, except the actual swastika was replaced with the Imperial eagle (probably because Germany isn't allowed to see an image of a swastika).

Imperial Germany was heavily inspired by the Roman Empire and adopted many of its symbolism. What people refer to as "the Hitler salute" is actually the Roman Salute.

>>13894612

Literally Act 5

>>13894702

>a fantasy world about gods and temples and bathhouses and an arena and slave pits and and legions that fight with shield and gladius and standards bearing golden eagles and a line of emperors

>this must be an allusion to nazis

>patch notes on Wednesday

Will they fix poison/burning?

>>13894702

This is your brain on liberalism.

I burned out of it mainly because of what Anon said right here.

>>13893118

End game revolves around log out macros because monsters have the ability to just one shot you.

Lost a level 92 Hardcore character to a OHKO and rage quit the game.

>>13896933

Nothing to fix. Double dipping was removed in 3.0 and the huge nerf was more than intended. They're gonna bring it up a little bit with every patch but don't expect it to ever come back to pre-3.0 levels of damage.

>>13896950

He's not wrong though. The Germans used very specific imagery from Roma and Egyptian paganism for esoteric reasons.

>>13897002

>Hardcore

Why? Especially when you know there are OHKOs?

>>13899202

>roman imagery in a roman themed area of a game

<f-fucking nazis!!!

He's wrong.

fuck off with your shit-games, shill

>>13894414

>I may also have mentioned that GGG is the name of a German studio who does degenerate bukkake porn

I thought I was the only one who associated it with German Goo Girls.

I never even finished the storyline, but this game will hold a special place in my heart for making me fight through a necromancer dungeon where the only way I could get through it was to cast a spell to explode corpses as I killed enemies. That was fun as hell.

>>13900114

What flaw is this?

>>13900114

ok fuck everything you said including microtransniggers. but fuck it being online game and everything connected to it.

HC is about farming low tier maps and clearing everything from 2 screens away, and this is only after you pay people to do bosses for you.

SC has no difficulty attached to it and gets boring very fast.

If not for the fact I found myself friends to play it with, I would have switched to Grim Dawn years ago.

>>13892570

It's time you get off

>>13892570

>caustic arrow build

Are you sitting on like 90C in the new league to make that even partially viable, and even then since Chaos damage got shit on so hard ,exception of dark pact nonsense but that's a different story, still do less damage than even a sporker or some shit?

I've been playing this game every league since Perandus and I basically quit because I'm so fucking bad at it and I don't know how to get any better. Most of my characters still struggle to clear Act 10 but every once in a while I get to Lv 90.

Then I see streamers and I want to fucking kill myself IRL. So I stopped playing because that shit is too "pro" for me.

>>13909124

Chaos damage can still work fine, but you have to do a little trickery to get it going.

>>13900114

>engine rewrite needed to fix desync

You're fucking clueless.

Reminder that some noname chink won Mayhem SSF with an offmeta hybrid RF meme build and 4 stash tabs.

>>13910827

I don't play meta builds anymore because I find them so fucking boring.

I played 2 Baron builds and a specter build (Before the specter changes) in Harbinger. The play style is just so_fucking_boring.

I think I went through ~10 characters in Harbinger (and probably half of that in Legacy). I am a standard pleb. I can clear to Act 10 in like 8 hours and the only boss I sturuggle with is Innocence (Kitava is a pushover).

>>13910862

>the only boss I sturuggle with is Innocence (Kitava is a pushover).

nigger what

innocence calls out all his attacks before he does them

inversely i feel like kitavas damage is way too high for the health pool people would expect to have based on the things they fought up to that point. Then again i feel like the whole fucking game has a scaling problem. Its several sharp difficulty spikes instead of a reasonable if not jagged curve.

>safest most unoriginal builds

>boring

gee i wonder why

if you want to have fun you need to make builds yourself. Its not like the uniques in the game dont shit inspiration all over you with their wacky effects.

>>13910862

Then maybe try playing with path of building before starting another shitty build and stop being lazy? It's not like it shows you exact dps/eHP/regen or whatever stats you need to know with whatever skill. Even spoonfed people find a way to cry

>>13911013

>Then again i feel like the whole fucking game has a scaling problem. Its several sharp difficulty spikes instead of a reasonable if not jagged curve.

Armor need a severe rework, not sure if they gonna do it one day. That said reflect/volatile gone is good start

>>13911013

>innocence

He (act5 version) killed like 8 out of 10 players in 1-10 act. May be it has to do with the fact that people are more careful >meta builds

The problem with metabuilds is that they are really effective. You can play for fun or you can play to win.

And they nerfed some fun skills like discharge. I dont see how you can play it efficiently compared to most builds.

But right now a lot of builds moved to mid tier builds, so you can play a lot of different builds.

Also you can have fun even with metabuilds, just try playing RF right from the moment you can use it.

>>13911194

>Armor need a severe rework, not sure if they gonna do it one day

>niggers still dont understand how armor and layers of defense work

>>13911223

And still get one shot on crit with ~20k ar granite flask on. Maybe the shitiest layer of defense to invest in if you don't go all-in on it.

>>13911282

>shitiest layer of defense to invest in

>niggers still dont understand how armor and layers of defense work

I bet you think that 3 endurance charges is better than 20k armor.

>>13910317

They used to be naked. But feminist bigots thought men might enjoy seeing that.

>>13911325

Indeed.

>>13911384

They only changed the UI because a major story expansion came out and they wanted to have the UI reflect that; if it was because of SJWs, why didn't they also censor the statues in the Solaris tileset, or Atziri, or the tentacle machinegun bitches?

>>13913520

I guess change was done to go under the radar of China's regulator, since they appear in every screenshot. Same thing was made with pantheon upgrade, and those bare breast, due to xbox live policy. A bright future we got, between obese puritans and commie chingchong.

>>13913520

Because feminists don't actually play games.

>>13915322

>>13911384

You can see just as much skin on the 3.0 ones as you did on the original UI. Did they also nerf AoE spells across the board to protest fat shaming?

Why do you have to make up a boogeyman when there are enough real SJWs running around and fucking stuff up?

>>13915259

Yeah, I'm sure they added a new UI with a skull for China. China loves their skeletons.

>>13915969

>Did they also nerf AoE spells across the board to protest fat shaming?

No but Doedre lost a lot of weight between parts 1 and 2.

>>13916259

I posted the first image in this thread.

>>13916336

There is more to it than just ass and tits

>>13916351

There's a little camel toe too. Oh wooowwwwwww! Are you 14? Who the fuck cares? There are also big shiny cocks with balls bouncing around.

>>13916447

The point is that the development team isn't so incredibly massive that they would somehow "forget" that detail, and continue to forget it for a couple dozen major expansions, and only remember the UI needing to be de-objectified.

>>13916460

Were there once big vaginas in the UI? I only started playing this game about a month ago.

>>13916554

Was Merveil being without nipples something that was there from the start or was it something that was censored later though? Also for topless women, there is also that NPC at the north/north-west part of Highgate, no clue whether or not she too is without nipples, but the point is that jumping to the conclusion of "feminists wouldn't like it therefore it was censored for being sexist" is a pretty big leap. They do have a bias but the absolute most it has ever shown is through the Forsaken Masters update and in general they do very well to counter-act that bias as shown by the shit added to 3.0.

>all those female Tukohama minions are topless

To be fair, to this part you could also use the same argument that feminists and jackass critics wouldn't make it that far. If they can't make it to Act 3 then they sure as hell won't make it to Act 4 and 5.

>>13916655

I just traveled to Highgate in both Acts 4 and 9 and didn't see any topless woman. My understanding of the events is that they initially had a non-nonchalant stance towards nudity, including it whenever it fit. Then the bigots started complaining about "objectifying women" like they always do. GGG knew the whole thing was controversial so they compromised by addressing the main complaint: the UI, but leaving the rest. Then they didn't want to push their luck so they refrained from ever adding any more nudity ever again even where it fits.

>>13916554

>I just remember all the bitching about boobies in the UI back whenever it was.

There wasn't any bitching worth mentioning. You're just trying to as hard as possible to be offended and persecuted over nothing.

>>13916749

Not how I'm remembering it. unless I'm mixing it up with the Divinity: Original Sin shitshow.

>>13916045

She can read minds!?

>>13918223

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2035872/page/1

you could have just linked to it

I would like a game with the itemization of path of exile with the combat of diablo 3

>>13918580

Is that what the UI used to look like?

>>13918539

I just want a game like Path of Exile without the always online.

The UI changes every large expansion, first the "globe girls" were enslaved, as in, lunaris and solaris were imprisoned by the beast, then when act 4 is added the lion and skull are supposed to be some lame ass allegory to daresso and kaom, or lioneye or some shit, then in 3.0 after you killed the beast all the gods came back, which is why solaris and lunaris are back and with their armor.

Not going to say GGG are the most based devs ever but out of all the things to complain about them this is the most retarded.

>>13894303

>ts all sjw propaganda

>>13894407

can I see some screenshots?

>>13918592

>Remove always online

>Can now mod it

>That tech

>With crazy user mods

Can you imagine

>>13918223

>>13918467

This is frustrating.

>3.0.0: [massive nerfs to DOT and gutting of builds because everyone used them]

>only a handle of viable builds left, so that's what people use

>still the same snorecore gameplay with a maybe two or three spicy memes that are still the same thing at the end of the day, maybe the only thing that changes is the color of the particle spam or how close you are to trash mobs before pressing the nuke button

>proceeds to apply massive nerfs to everything and gutting of builds because everyone is using them

<WELL OBVIOUSLY THE PROBLEM ISN'T BUILD DIVERSITY, IT'S BECAUSE EVERYONE KEEPS USING [SPECIFIC KEYSTONE]. THEREFORE, INSTEAD OF BRINGING THE POWER LEVEL UP ON EVERYTHING TO MAKE PLAY MORE INTERESTING, WE'LL JUST REMOVE EVERYTHING THAT'S ABOVE THE CURVE

>>13918862

Pretty sure that's what they were going for.

>>13918789

Too bad you're killing shit far too quickly to see anything like pic 1

>>13918223

WTB Atziri's Acuity 3c.

>>13918223

WHY THE FUCK DID THEY NERF RoP?!

OH YEAH BETTER SHOW THOSE RF CLEARS WHO THE BOSS IS?

seriously what the fuck RF was already a mediocre build why did it need the nerf?

New support gem.

>The Mirage Archer support causes supported bow skills to create a Mirage floating above your head when the skill is used. This mirage will use the supported skill with reduced attack speed, acting like a ghostly turret that will attack your enemies even while you move around. Every time you use the supported bow skill, it refreshes the Mirage Archer's duration.

https://web.poecdn.com/public/news/2017-12-05/nzALYj7.mp4

I would embed but my internet is being a bitch.

>>13919224

Auto curse or maim applicator.

>>13919153

T O O P O P U L A R

>>13919153

>RF was already a mediocre build

RF was one of the top tier mainstream builds this league because it's way easier to get high amounts of life regen these days.

So far none of those nerfs are hitting stuff that doesn't deserve it.

>>13919306

Did you think our vengeance was done, savior?

>>13919333

>top tier

in fucking what? The slow as shit clear speed?

>>13919353

Pretty sure a RF character just won the mayhem SSFHC race to 100.

>>13919353

The SSF Mayhem Ladder, ironically that dude didn't even use rise of the phoenix.

>>13919380

SSF isn't how a majority of people play the game and you know it

>>13919385

It's the same game. The same maps. The same monsters. The same everything.

And your build has to be even better, since you can't guarantee any specific item which you'd usually get via trading, so if a build does well in SSF it does well everywhere.

>>13919385

I mean it goes to show how strong the skill is, it beat sunderniggers, EK retards, and spectre fags, if it can work with self found gear and beat these skills it's probably good.

>>13919412

Compared to other builds though, it's lackluster.

They require gear, sure but the difference is there.

More than nerfing fucking RoTP is gonna do

>>13919333

>So far none of those nerfs are hitting stuff that doesn't deserve it.

Selfcast Dark Pact will be completely terrible and Acuities will probably be 1 alch vendortrash. Both of those seem pretty undeserving to me.

>>13919604

Dark pact totems should still work well enough, especially with the new despair curse. They can be well supported with other chaos DoT, wither and blight with spreading rot jewels.

>>13919604

>Acuities will probably be 1 alch vendortrash

Not gonna happen.

>Selfcast Dark Pact will be completely terrible

The vaal pact nerf would have probably been enough on that one, I'll give you that one.

>>13919651

>Not gonna happen.

1 Alch is obviously an exaggeration, but I doubt they'll be more than 20ex 2 weeks into the league. Considering that they wanted to create more chase uniques that doesn't seem that great.

>>13919673

If vaal pact works with energy shield again the acuities could be the item of choice for es builds to get vp instead of pathing all the way down to duelist. You could then even go with some zealot's oath action as you only get vp for 4 seconds at a time and can normally regenerate outside of that window.

>>13919306

Although that may be a nerf to Slayer to remove max life leech, it shouldn't be forgotten that instant leech prevented overleech from working and that Vaal Pact also doubles the max life leech rate, meaning that Vaal Pact Slayer is going to be meta, especially since it has been moved to the Duelist tree.

>>13923216

why there's so many poo in the loo in tec

>>13923216

Three RF totems give good coverage and you can support them with scorching ray and something to trigger elemental equilibrium.

And if you don't feel like the righteous type, try dark pact totems.

>>13924177

I'm thinking more in the direction of self-cast RF so that I could have a nice cheap five-link

>>13924309

Why go hierophant then and not inquisitor?

>>13923216

Good start, shit late game, especially considering all the nerfs. MoM is useless on high level, but you can always switch to pure hp/es later. Hierophant is really bad for everything past lvl 80~. Additional totems are worse than dual totem + tukohama fortress. Even Scion version is better because it gives +1 totem in helmet with no penalty. More mana is useless comparing investment into it with pure hp version. Hell, you can have better results by using fucking blood magic with 5 points investment. And inquisitor still better for mom rf because it has 6% fucking mana regen on consecrated ground.

>>13919153

It was not a nerf, you got 20 hp regen on it.

>too easy to gain max res for rf

This implies that RF builds did not try to get as mach fire res as they possibly could by using lvl21purity and max res from tree and a flask and a shield and some passives to boost purity to have additional percent.

>too much max fire res compared to other shields

And this implies that any other max res required so much in the game.

I will not be surprised if they nerf shavrone wrapping even more, so people will start using fucking solaris whatever instead."We nerf it because its good for lowlife builds". Not a fucking thing should be good for a builds it was made for. Every fucking thing should be mediocre.

Like that time they moved goldrim into hight tier of loot because(reduced droprate to kaom heart level) "a lot of people used it". They used it because it was fucking cheap, you dimwits.

I want to use frostbolt to start this league. Selfcast preferably.

LL, CI, or life?

>>13924484

If you plan on saving for a Shavs or Corruscating Elixir, you can go LL.

>>13924484

LL/CI are dead, go life with MoM or look for mathil's frostbolt build

PATCH NOTES !!!!!

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2036284

>Nerf leech, gut Vaal Pact, fuck that was tough, been on our todo list for 3 years now

>Buff 1h + shield phys builds, did promise buffs after all heh

>WHEW THAT WAS HARD WORK, LET'S CALL IT A DAY LADS

Seriously? That's it?

>>13924891

Instead of making shitty layouts more adequate, they want to nerf good ones even more. Why not increase number of mobs in shitty layouts so they feel rewarding? Or make bosses there drop significantly more items so players can even do a bossruns if they can?

Why not make shitty layouts filled with more mobs so poor players will be able to reliably farm at slow speed? FUCKING NO! IT WOULD BE LOGICAL AND WILL NOT REDUCE FUN IN ANY WAY! WE MUST REMOVE ALL THE FUN FROM THE GAME!

>We have a decent list of buffs to go with it, which will be posted tomorrow in the full patch notes!

The second part of the patch notes must be coming any time now, r-right?

I'm glad my PC is busted, I don't want to play this shitshow right now

Thoughts on this build? How can i make it more tanky?

https://pastebin.com/UWELyHLa

>>13925913

Wait for updated tree?

>>13926465

The tree won't be that radically different

Fuck this goddamn shaper nigger

What the fuck are you supposed to do when he spawns orbs on you during the bullet storm phase?

>>13927700

you need to activate orbs before bullet storm phase. If you miss it, you run in circle in the safe zone without activate it. Take some time to do it right tho

>>13927819

I was getting swamped with the fucking things because it took me too long to kill him with a defensive aura, fortify and endurance charges going so I dropped all that for 3M dps (up from ~1.2M) and killed him without seeing more than 3 orbs total in any phase.

I did not use VP though so don't understand the bellyaching going on about that particular nerf.

>>13927848

>so don't understand the bellyaching going on about that particular nerf

It's largely butthurt from people that make builds that only stack enough life to survive getting one-shot and just get as much DPS as possible with no additional layers of defence whatsoever. Vaal Pact is one of the things that created the need to nerf energy shield so heavily, since you could even facetank Uber Atziri's overlapping Flameblast and just leech it back instantly. With Vaal Pact being nerfed, there is the possibility that the game will be far less about building around avoiding one-shot mechanics.

>>13927952

what are you smoking. Unless GGG completely changes their design strategy the game's always gonna be about avoiding 1 shots

>>13927848

Honestly VP nerf is not so terrible since they nerfed reflect. But game still has oneshot problem and ggg refuses to acknowledge it. And VP was quite fun. Its just really stupid idea to nerf fun things without giving anything in return. 3.0 had a lot of significant nerfs but also buffs in patchnotes. While in 3.1 only fucking nerfs, even if some of them are deserved most of them are fucked up.

Instead of buffing lame things to be good, they nerfing good things into shit.

Look at bows. Bows had +4 additional arrows and other shit. But they nerfing them one after another, so every fucking bow is shitty now. And fucking disparity in ggg. One guy makes video about awesome build and other guy fucking nerfs this build afterwards because "it got too popular". They even mention nerfing things because they are not overpowered, but because they are fucking popular. While some ridiculous things remain such as molten strike builds with dps so big they can kill shaper in a couple of seconds. There is no reason to go CI for example unless you are pisspoor. Lowlife has more CI and good chaos res via chaula amulet. Half of the things in game are made only for poorfags. Why design something which works as poor man version of something good?

Any good league starter builds for 3.1 btw that haven't been nerfed?

>>13927979

>Unless GGG completely changes their design strategy

Well with reflect changes and how much they have started concentrating on damage-over-time (I mean, other than the fact that they gutted it) suggests that they might go into having more than just avoiding big hits. What I mean is that, they might start making it so that it would be worthwhile for survivability to take movement speed and mitigation against damage-over-time. Although it will always be about avoiding getting one-shot, what I mean with that is that it will stop being about avoiding one-shots and only one-shots. For example, you don't really see people worrying about having -60% chaos resistance that much, if it's going to kill you then it will always be the hit that gets you, not poison or any other debuff like Essence Drain or Wither. If the debuff does kill you, that will be because the hit left you at 200 life and not because of how super OP the degen is.

>>13928080

There are multiple good starter builds, you should specify what kind of playstyle you want.

>>13928080

Iceballs was slightly nerfed, just as every mom build, but its still good. Raging faggots summoner. Slayer with wings of entropy, cheap as fuck and effective and can move to some real axe later. Mat be facebreaker if you gind gear with #damage.

>>13928104

>would be worthwhile for survivability to take movement speed

Yeah, because people dont want movespeed enough.

>you don't really see people worrying about having -60% chaos resistance that much

On shitcore. -60 chaos res means you death.

>it will always be the hit that gets you, not poison

Wrong, poison from hard hit can really drain you fast. But yeah, usually its green-black triangle shooters who kill everyone with chaos damage. And degen can really fuck up MoM builds.

>>13928104

>you should specify what kind of playstyle you want.

Thinking ranged since kb hasn't been touched. Kinda wondering what the single target damage is like though with kb

>>13928149

Should be good considering new shaper/elder items. But I am not sure if its a good starter. If you fail to get some good damage items you will be fucked and you will have no hp on the right/top side of the tree.

>>13928149

>Kinda wondering what the single target damage is like though with kb

It's really good if you can get the boss to a wall but if you can't then it's average. You can always use a Tabula Rasa to switch between Barrage and KB if necessary. Alternatively you can go the special snowflake route and make a KB Saboteur miner with two Warden's Brand for a shitload of flat phys (reduced attack speed won't affect you because it doesn't change mine placement speed) and Prismweave so that you won't have to worry about single-target.

>>13928593

>I might actually try Reave now with the big range up on it

The buff is also stronger than it may seem, since the lab enchant for Reave is one of the two enchants that increases radius instead of increasing area.

>>13928593

Yeah, new reave looks pretty fucking sweet, to bad the single target its shit, still it should make a decent maper/league starter, if you can keep the stacks up it's not that hard actually but it gets annoying kinda fast

>>13929452

There's other spectres to go for now like getting Shavronne's grapplers from Act 9 that to a warcry giving them power charges, which would play very nicely into the fact that Shaper items in specific are oriented around crits and that Discharge has a damage effectiveness of 150% with a base crit of 7%.

>>13929583

Tukohama's Fortress with Necromantic Aegis to give Tukohama's Vanguards double totems, which was nerfed by capping the number of totems to 1

>>13927952

>With Vaal Pact being nerfed, there is the possibility that the game will be far less about building around avoiding one-shot mechanics.

I don't think VP was the problem. I think instant logout macros in hardcore are the problem. If there's no ridiculous oneshots no one on hardcore would ever die.

>>13929728

Oh who the fuck cares about hardcore, it's such a small subset of the playerbase that it makes no sense to balance the entire game around their antics.

Unless that's where all the mtx whales are found

>>13929991

Well to be fair, that is where a lot of the streamers are at and they often have a pretty powerful impact on the market and whatever the current meta is, so it would be fairly naive to assume GGG would stop balancing the game around them. I mean, it's the reason why they increased the amount of experience needed for each level from 95 to 100, because one streamer complained that it's too short.

>>13929605

oh I see. Still confused about the nerf

>they are less likely to place additional totems while they have at least one totem

not sure how it works. Also necromantic aegis was used for ages with Victario's Charity, way before Tukohama's Fortress.

hi

can I play this game using fists? or perhaps some grappler/wrestling style? I think I saw something about a particular H2H weapon being available. It's my main interest in PoE over Grim Dawn.

>>13930373

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Facebreaker

Those gloves are what you want. You basically stack as much flat physical damage as you can from items and then you punch shit to death. The downsides are the obvious lack of weapons and the stats you can get from them, some mandatory uniques that will cost you and increase the resistances requiremens on other items since they're taking a slot away, and that only a few skills work with unarmed. You can have a shield though.

There's not grappler/wresting stuff in the game.

>>13930386

>tfw legacy quivers from pre 1.2.0 had their attack mods affect all attacks so you could use [empty]+quiver+FBs

>>13930006

>>13930038

Pretty sure they nerfed the high-level XP because people were reaching 100 faster each league.

>>13930740

Yeah, all 20 of them.

Rate my league starter https://pastebin.com/QwbT0yvA

Gear is obviously for later in the league.

>>13930740

The patch notes explicitly stated that it was due to a streamer telling Chris Wilson that levelling to 100 is too short.

>>13932767

He's too busy with Oyveywatch to do that.

>>13932747

>speedrunners finish game in mere minutes

>well, we was contacted by speedrunners, now we reduced movement speed by 500%, so game is longer to complete, we value these 20 people more than all the rest who will be forever discouraged to play

They always do that shit. One guy makes gamebreaking build, using full set of legacy gear which cost like 20-80 mirrors and as result ggg nerfing every skill he uses because "too strong, must nerf everything related".

>>13932899

The economy's in such a shitshow for that reason alone. "you have an incredibly limited time to do this build" bullshit they pull constantly before they just nerf everything in the game again but leave underpowered gems still underpowered

>>13932933

Its like they copying some games where they sell new heroes, spells for real money, and therefore every new spell is by default better than its released and its nerfed afterwards.

Also

>this uniq is strong, we will nerf all versions of this item retroactively

>but not this one, this one is perfectly fine as it is, even if it has the only instant leech left in the game

>why this one and not that one? Because fuck you, of course!

And I have a fuckin suspicion that they are doing this only to be able to sell legacy items directly for real money. They had related rumors since long time ago and most of "free shard servers" sell ingame items semi-openly. All of it fits the profile.

>>13933013

>And I have a fuckin suspicion that they are doing this only to be able to sell legacy items directly for real money. They had related rumors since long time ago and most of "free shard servers" sell ingame items semi-openly. All of it fits the profile.

Last time I bought a supporter pack was in Prophecy. I don't think I'll be giving them my shekels if they're aligning themselves to do this.

DIDNT THEY ALSO PROMISE PLAYER-RUN LEAGUES WHEN THE GAME WAS IN CLOSED BETA WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED

>>13933013

>>13934391

>and most of "free shard servers" sell ingame items semi-openly

Care to elaborate?

Any idea for a build? I still don't know what I am going to play. I want to try something with Infernal Blow but I am well aware the skill suck. Maybe Lightning tendril.

new abyss jewels stats added

https://poecraft.com/jewels

jesus fucking christ

>>13936868

>those free servers are bad for you goy!

>you'd better play safer games where RMT isn't possible, like Diablo 3®!

Fuck off kike.

>>13942589

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>>13942589

90% of the prefixes are "Adds X damage to Y weapon type", the suffixes are more likely to give something good though.

>>13942643

You think that's bad? You can get 90 fire damage PER jewel, and you can socket them even in the new uniques. Flat ele is also great for spells. If you think the prefixes are not "something good" you're literally retarded and know nothing about the game.

The new jewels are broken but probably impossible to roll, a pseudo chase item.

>>13942669

What I mean in terms of it being bad is that you have a couple hundred rolls for each weapon type, meaning you are unlikely to get two prefixes you like.

>>13942633

Are you retarded?

Also d3 literally had RMT market built in "game".

Is Acquisition working for anyone?

>>13942879

Had, you stupid cunt.

>>13936868

Paranoia.

GGG has much more to lose when found out they would sell in game items to players than to gain. It would kill their game quite fast. Besides that in the current iteration in the game it's way easier to get the very rare items than multiple patches ago.

>>13892191

I started playing around a month ago and got up to act 3 I think, but had to stop playing due to IRL stuff.

Supposedly there's some big update to the game. If I keep playing now what will be different or is it end game stuff I won't encounter for a while?

>>13949505

The new league implements some game-breaking gear possibilities available both in early and end-game (Abyss in early game and Shaper/Elder in end-game)

>path of sjw's

No thanks.

>>13949513

What do you mean "league" ? Will it change the basic SP experience?

What's this toucan shit constantly spammed in global? I'm going to guess it's some cancerous Twitch meme.

>>13951580

Mod to replace the name of the Global tab with Barrens when?

>>13951706

when you go back to reddit

>>13932747

They did this to extend the time that people can stream their "rush to 99", so that they get more advertising from Twitch viewer counts. Twitch is gaming cancer, it's actively affecting game design at this point.

>>13951580

>not participating in the shitposting

Although cancer more than 90% of the time, it does have its moments.

What the fuck damage type do these abyss mobs do other than "truck", is it really just a shitload of physical or is there some chaos in the mix?

>>13954011

Looks like physical since I can tank it pretty well.

Anyone know if giving your Animate Guardian a Sentari's Answer will cause the curses to apply? I know that minions can't trigger skills but does that extend to "applies level X curse on block"? Having three curses that ignore curse limit would be really fucking good for single-target against bosses that use both spells and attacks.

>>13958520

it should work, but be sure to check first.

>>13929605

Wrong, they actually nerfed the Vanguard spectres to not be able to summon both totems at the same time.

>thread is less active than half way through the garbage that was Harbinger league

>>13963529

Maybe people are actually playing the game?

>>13963529

That happens at the start of every league, since people often rush through the game to get an advantage in the economy. For example finding a Tabula at the start of Turmoil meant that you could get an exalt's worth in chaos at the bare minimum.

>>13959836

>Wrong, they actually nerfed the Vanguard spectres to not be able to summon both totems at the same time.

>Tukohama's Vanguards no longer summon multiple totems at a time while spectred, and the duration of their totems has been lowered to 5 seconds (from 10). They are less likely to place additional totems while they have at least one totem.

Basically they can summon 2 totems, but its ggg-unlikely.

>>13964724

>exalt's worth in chaos

A fucking nothing basically unless its close to league end. Usually you can get ahead by purchasing top tier items for cheap compared to end of the league.

But investing is really good. If you want currency.

Something about the game just makes it look ugly as sin, especially the character models.

>>13965027

Witch a cute.

>>13965000

>Basically they can summon 2 totems, but its ggg-unlikely.

That can most likely still be fixed by either giving them spell echo or increased duration, meaning it is more of a damage nerf than it is the removal of a build.

>>13965027

Some thing are alright. The problem is the fact that ggg are hacks. They have some good artists, but they cant do everything. And ggg has no fucking taste so if they do something good, its purely accidental or it was outsourced.

>>13964724

It felt like the threads were still pretty busy at the start of last league. I can't complain though, I just got an exalt and tabula drop from back to back blood aquaducts.

Bump

This is surprisingly good expansion. Bugs aside, they achieved what they wanted. Now people can do bossruns, shaped maps, regular maps with or without clearing boss and not just shaped strands. And new gimmick mechanic is pleasing to autists.

Density is also great.

So here's a question that has bothered me as a noob. I played a haphazard Templar magic build up to act 4 now and got access to the Scion, which seems like a cool base class.

Can I just go YOLO and play the game as I see fit or do I have to get a proper build ready to be remotely successful? Because if there's one thing I hate, it's reaching a high level only to realize I fucked up and my character is worthless.

Also, what's the best way to go sanic fast on a fresh character?

>>13989596

You need a proper build. There are respecs available quite cheap, but its really painful to play shit character. And its not like you will learn what to respec while playing shit character anyway.

>fast

Google oro sacrifice slayer flicker. And just dont try to be a smartass. Some flexibility is okay, like picking up resistance passives on tree, but in general you must stick with what guide telling you.

Also in this league its awesome to use new jewels, but I am not sure there is a guide available and I am not going to explain this myself.

>>13989689

But isn't there at least a base guideline to keep to in order to not fully fuck up when leveling? A rule of thumb? The sheer size of the game and freedom to develop a character is daunting to me.

>>13989816

Sure. Google it. Just start playing in abyss league, not in standard.

>>13989689

builds are for retards

why even play a game like this when you are going to let someone else make your character for you.

So since I can't play the game right now and the wiki is a little fucky, what's the deal with abyss jewels?

Can you post a screencap of a typical one?

>>13989689

>just starting out

>recommends an expensive to get it actually working/running flicker build

>doesn't even work until late game

You're horrible at reccomendations

>>13993830

>1c

>expensive

Oh boy.

>You're horrible

As if I care about poorfag opinion. Slayer can rape the shit out of everything with this build with new support without anything besides oro for 1c.

>>13993870

how does Terminus flicker fare now, at that?

>>13993870

How the fuck would a new player have any money dumbass.

Also

>oro flicker requires nothing but an oro's

>>13993874

Basically flicker + ancestrall call + splash from slayer can be really good versus abysses. And everything fast hitting is good. Not sure about pathing, but its not really my problem.

>>13993883

>poor people cant afford to breathe

Sure, new players must play enixpensive builds. Such as wearing white items(to save on id scrolls) in every slot. BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE ANYTHING!

Stop being so fucking poor. If you cant even farm for one of the cheapest builds, you should not fucking play at all. What the fuck is build that dont require fucking items?

>>13993998

>What the fuck is build that dont require fucking items

summoner or pretty much every single spellcaster setup you could think of.

this entire situation reminds me of WoW where people wouldnt let you in their group until you had the gear you got from beating the dungeon you were trying to enter. Its not that its impossible to beat the dungeon with sub par gear but that the people doing the dungeon only know how to overkill or get carried.

So what im saying is dont be a little bitch boy and put in some extra effort and attention and its perfectly doable. End game shit is pure autism though good luck with that. By the time you reach end game though you should be able to kit yourself out at least half decently.

>>13995400

>>13993998

As a new player or as a league starter, relying on a specific unique to enable your build is generally a bad idea. Sure it's common enough later, but in the first weeks, even common shit will be needlessly expensive.

That said, casters itemize differently from melee characters, so their item costs are way lower, because their damage scales more from the spells/interaction than the base weapon damage

No matter how they tweak the grinding gears of this game, there will always be a fundamental problem preventing it from being good. The combat is not fun.

>>13995400

hitting 70ish with random yellow gear is perfectly doable with (almost) all builds. if the build you want doesn't support it you can probably work around it using different skills that benefit from a similar tree.

i can't say i've experienced public groups much anyway.

>>13989816

there's a basic building guide on the forums

i think it's a bit out dated (mostly in terms of energy shield nodes) but it's a good guideline

>>13993883

>new players can't get 1c by late 60s

Nigga you serious?

>>13995527

Flicker in general just requires shit to get going, not to mention you can't use flicker effectively until late game.

>>13995432

>As a new player or as a league starter, relying on a specific unique to enable your build is generally a bad idea

It cost fucking nothing. What is wrong with you? Are you literally so poor you cant afford 1c items? If you cant afford it you should just play different games. And to be unable to do it path of exile must be your 1st fucking game in your fucking life.

>>13995539

>Flicker requires an investment to even begin

>Flicker falls off starting with yellow maps

Its a terrible curse

>>13993883

You can make money simply by doing chaos recepie, selling all your non chaos currency and you'll have like 200 chaos by the time you reach maps.

>>13995539

>he thinks flicker strike build means leveling with flicker strike all the way from level 10

Are you too retarded to read any leveling section of a build guide?

>>13995596

I'm saying that's a horrible suggestion for any new player "Play something else for 60% of the game, then spend all your respec points and also this build can't even do endgame shit effectively so have fun"

>second lich fight

>second pair of shit gloves

>>13995621

Keep on moving those goalposts.

>>13995906

Oh yeah, I also most likely only see Punishment because he applies Temporal Chains from Asenath's Touch anyway and Elemental Weakness would require him to successfully block a spell, for which he has only 15% chance.

>>13995926

Slight correction, forgot my own shield's block chance so he gets 24% which is still fairly low considering how rarely he gets hit due to the sheer number of minions.

>>13997186

>>13998679

Speaking of the Atlas, what are some good maps to shape?

>>13999431

Vault is the best. Cage, alleyways, dunes, the rest has many options or irrelevant. For tier 5 its better to shape ancient city so you can trade 3 of them for shaped fields. I personally shaped alleyways and cage because they are awesome. But did not shaped atoll because it will block the vault.

Rarity: Rare

Eagle Veil

Eternal Burgonet

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Armour: 530 (augmented)

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Requirements:

Level: 69

Str: 138

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Sockets: R-R

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Item Level: 76

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Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 18 Burning Damage

+42 to Strength

42% increased Armour

+23% to Fire Resistance

29% increased Burning Damage

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Elder Item

This worth anything you think?

>>14005329

Nothing. Useless for rf because RF only have 3 gems that can support it and it needs essencecraft 30% more damage.

>>14005377

Last time I died in HC was because a huge fuckin spider crawled on the wall in front of me. It was then that I said fuck HC, and its gay restricted builds and dying for shit reasons.

>oh boy oh boy a Kaom's lockbox

>fucking axe drops

>ran a Shaper influenced map with beyond up

>not a single Shaper item

FIFTY NIGGERS

>>14010865

Big whoop. I consider kaom axe the best item this lockbox can drop.

>shaper maps

You ar supposed to run like hundreds of them before anything worthwhile drops. And soon you realise that only t15 maps have a chance of good shaper/elder items and everything below is mostly garbage. At least at the start of the league it still may cost something as base type for crafting.

>>14011059

>Big whoop. I consider kaom axe the best item this lockbox can drop.

I'd rather have a free 200c if it's all the same to you.

>>14011605

And Id rather be a 16 y/o child of a billionaire. But in real world, that lockbox only drop shit items.

>>14012433

>No currency to reroll names, yet

>>14013134

Takes like 40 min to farm it yourself. Also divines cost 1c on softcore?

>>14013134

They were ~8c yesterday and it is still 8c. That 1c must have been price fixer or to use much less community terminology because it is much more accurate scammer.

Also >>14013215 just farm it. Unless you actually have team to play, stay with SSF.

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Humility

And by farm for people unaware, it means farming div cards in specific areas.

>>14013134

>find a Tabula on day 1 and flip it for full price to get equipped for mapping

>found a Tabula every day since

>also have the prophecy that drops a Tabula

>missing one card from the Humility set to turn in for a Tabula

Sorry friend, they all belong to me apparently. I can't even use them due to the nature of my build.

>>13894092

contain your asshurt