/v/ - Video Games

>>13821284

>Why can't we have more of the AVP predator vision modes?

>predator vision

There's more than one, you know.

>>13821183

I get why it's there but isn't there a more elegant solution to forced grayscale and muh two details glowing?

Asscreed Unity, funnily enough.

It introduced a number of investigation missions. You still used the eagle vision to find clues, sure, but the clues were just that. They didn't tell you the answer outright, you had to piece together the big picture once you found them all, and choose the suspect among all involved.

>>13821284

predator vision does not penetrate walls.

>>13821437

>>13821470

Aliens vs Predator 2010 alien vision. Fixes all your problems and more.

>>13821171

This is never acceptable, I cannot think of a single instance where wallhacking doesn't make a game worse.

>>13821470

>predator vision does not penetrate walls.

Clearly you didn't see the film 'Predators'. They can fucking see sound. From behind shit.

>>13821171

The fix isn't even that hard.

1. >>13821447

And 2. Have a meter. It runs down as you use it, and refills when you don't. If you run it down to empty, it refills much slower, and can't be used until fully charged.

Combine that with areas where you have to use the vision more (dark, smoke, etc) and it could be interesting.

>>13821633

I like the approach of it highlighting important things, but makes everything else hard as fuck to see. So you snap on to see where something is, then snap off so you can tell where you're going.

New Hitman does it alright

>Can be disabled entirely

>when using it, slows time, highlights targets and items to interact, while greying out everything else

>MAKES YOU UNABLE TO SHOOT

It's good for timing specific executions

>>13821649

If everything important is highlighted- why look at anything else?

If nothing is highlighted- make sure your art design makes those objects stand out the players will miss it. Every single player who buys the game must be able to beat it, or we'll get a bad metacritic score.

>>13821661

So sort of like the weapon-wheel from Rachet and Clank?

Can it be abused (rotate the camera while in slow-mo to get a better look at your surroundings in a situation where you should be getting shot to shit)?

>>13821664

>why look at anything else?

So you aren't tripping over boxes and running into walls like a fool

>>13821670

Considering you can't do anything but move when it's on it's hard to abuse, and once you're in a shootout you have failed in hitmanning you can win gunfights on your own though, using "instinct" in a gunfight isn't smart because all it does is highlight enemies that are already shooting at you while you can't shoot back.

>>13821661

>highlights targets and items to interact

I haven't tried it but that sounds like the exact same babying bullshit. I take you can see thru walls as well?

>>13821695

Items only in your vicinity (in the room you're in), for example screwdriver in an open toolbox, or a coin among trash

You see target's outline.

>>13821661

This is the first hitman game I didn't finish. Hollywood effects and all, but no heart. Every faggot across the globe has the same voice, the babby vision. Just fuck.

This series needs to die.

These things are solely added because casuals can't deduce where the enemies are. It's also why third person stealth took off.

EYE: Divine Cybermancy did vision modes right; each one has upsides and downsides and all cost energy.

>Cyber Vision

Highlights enemies, shows which ones are heavily cyborg, reveals cloaked enemies. But the metastreumonic force is hard to see so they can sneak up on you while it's active.

>Sound Triangulator

Shows enemy movements, including through walls, but highly obscures vision of everything else. Works on metastreums.

>Cyber Sensitive Wave

Highlights all enemies including metastreums and shows them throught walls (severely blurs everything else but enemies are crystal clear). But has a fixed duration and only activates when your energy bar is completely full so you can't activate it on the fly, you have to stop what you're doing and top up your energy bar and then activate it before doing anything else.

>>13821966

ST is the best one. It also highlights enemies in line of sight, but those are still affected by the blurry filter. When all you need to do is kill hordes, it's all you'll need.

>>13821797

>To paraphrase a dear author: if only you shared a single neck with the rest of the kind so I could wring it easier.

To paraphrase another, that's a fucking faggoty post and you should be embarrassed.

>>13822000

Because he can't stop his beard from growing. You can shave it as he prefers (which I did with my "canon" playthrough), but it becomes a bit of a bother shaving it off.

>>13821183

I wish they did something else. Trying to play without it becomes a massive chore. Following footsteps is damn near impossible without WITCHER VISION.

>>13822025

You're not wrong. It was horrible shit and I went through it all. I guess there's just only so much you can force yourself to eat. I think age is playing a factor, too.

I miss the fun of that first hotel kill. Putting a round in that fat fuck in the shower.

Mirror's Edge?

>>13822398

The problem with Mirror's Edge's "things turn red" is that it didn't need to be a dynamic vision effect at all. Just paint important parts of the environment red, and make extra stuff like red enemies a separate option. As is it's distracting and immersion breaking watching a pipe change color before your eyes, and the levels lack color variety when the feature's turned off.

>>13821171

Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory had some bitchin' vision modes. Balanced, but powerful enough.

>>13821171

Metroid Prime and it's scan visor? Allows you to scan enemies and environment for information/story, but your arm cannon couldn't be fired when using it.

Also had thermal (for hot objects/sight in darkness) and x-ray for seeing invisible/breakable objects.

>>13824863

Honestly, I think the Prime games were the only one to do that shit right.

The main issue is that they don't work within the game/world. Batman, Samus, cyborgs can use these OP visions because they have the technology, at least in universe, to do so. There isn't an excuse as to how Geralt can highlight objects and clues, see sonar rings around distant enemies or how Agent 47 can do the same. They "focus" sure, that makes sense, but focusing should sharpen your ears and eye sight on a certain part of the screen, not highlight the world and make it easy.

>>13827906

Geralt's makes sense because it is highlighting things he can detect with us enhanced senses. Agent 47's kinda makes sense with the timesow and highlighting some things, but no matter how hard a human being focuses he cant see through fucking walls.

Bloodlines tied it to your character's perception stats.

>>13824863

>>13827194

I remember an article years ago talking about the overuse of detective mode in Arkham Asylum and how that particular journo/blogger basically played through the game with it on, he tried talking about how it should have been balanced, while a good chunk of the comments brought up how Prime had multiple visors and was able to use them effectively. Yet, it feels like because of MP being a Nintendo hardware exclusive, it hasn't had enough of the mainstream audience (including game developers) to play and learn from it.

Prime had a very good balance for it visors types and design and the visual effects of each, though in its sequels they couldn't really top what the original did.

Prime 1 visors

>Combat: default main visor

>Scan: mentioned previously

>Thermal: see's heat, works well in cold or dark, useful for finding (hot) power conduits, can spot certain cloaking enemies, weakspots on some bosses, disadvantages, doesn't work in hot areas and can be overloaded by explosions and doesn't work well against mechanical turrets which don't emit heat

>X-Ray: see's the invisible (environment objects and enemies) and through certain material types (even Samus suit to see her skeleton), disadvantages, view becomes short range and monochrome, certain robot enemies can overload it causing it to go all static until they are defeated.

Note: Scan/Thermal/X-ray all remove the radar and mini map from the HUD.

Prime 2 Echoes visors

>Combat: default: same as Prime 1

>Scan: functions the same, but scanable objects are highlighted differently

>Dark: basically a combo of thermal and x-ray visor, to see invisible items in a state of dimensional flux (between light and dark worlds) and highlights seeker launcher pods that serve as environmental door locks. Also allows you to target certain dark enemies you couldn't normally lock on to. Disadvantages, make the world look black and white

>Echo: the game's namesake even though it's acquired late into the game, allows you to see visualize sound, to see invisible items and enemies and interact with sonic based security devices. Every sound will also have increased reverberation (such as firing or landing) and even the sound of hidden items is improved. Disadvantages, everything looks black with a slight white outline.

Note: Interesting enough Dark and Echo visors keep the radar and mini map unlike Prime 1, while scan doesn't. In Japan MP2:E is called Metroid Prime 2: Dark Echoes, putting both new visors in the title.

Prime 3

>Combat: default: no major changes here

>Scan: akin to Prime 2's gameplay wise but now has a new circle like interface because of the Wii Remote pointer control scheme (carried over to MPT versions of 1 and 2), Samus face is also reflected onto the HUD when using it and her eyes will follow the cursor when you move it.

>Command: controls Samus's ship, to allow for things like landing at her position (on a designated landing pad to function as a quick travel/save spot), perform bombing runs and to lift objects. Usage throughout game is small, not really that great of a visor, considering the amount of extra ship missiles you can obtain in game, I think extra locations where you could use were cut from the game. Disadvantage obviously can't fight when using it.

>X-Ray: fuck, it returns again, similar to Prime 1 but also picks up temperature of some objects in orange like Prime 1's thermal visor, allows viewing through a certain material in the environment and when combined with a new beam weapon see through armor plating of that material to expose certain enemy weakpoints to instantly kill them (like headshoting space pirate commandos), can interface with space pirate door code locks. Disadvantages, like Prime, view is monochrome but not short sighted like that version. Phazon hypermode enemies can overload it causing to to cut to static

Note: X-Ray has radar and mini map in HUD, Scan and Command do not.

>>13827906

>There isn't an excuse as to how Geralt can highlight objects

The thing about games like this, especially RPGs, is that there is a truck load of information that they can't convey to the player like scent or small vibrations or super perception.

Games are restricted to audio and visual cues (extra rumble for controllers but that barely counts). If you're playing a character with an extra sense of smelling, how are you gonna give that feedback to the player? By making an extra vision mode that highlights smell trails for you to follow.

But what if the character is said to have extraordinary eyesight and perception powers? If you just dump the clues on the screen, the player himself better have extraordinary eyesight as well or he is gonna miss those, despite his character supposely being good at finding them.

Fundamentally, it's all about conveying extra information that your character is supposed to be able to get but the only way the game can tell you is with sound or visual cues.

There's nothing inherently wrong with this provided it's properly balanced, which it often isn't, with the Batman games ending up like spooky adventures in black and white where a hooded figure tackles down blue skeletons.

The balance is simple, just assume that every extraordinary sense requires the character to focus on it. This means you walk slower, you likely can't fight at all while using those senses and you might even not get them active immidiatly, instead needing a few seconds before they are fully active.

Even make the character extra vulnerable during those moments, making flashbangs harm you for longer or enemies getting free crits if they hit you during those moments.

>>13822545

That wasn't really the same. It didn't let you look through walls. You could see through very thin partitions with thermal vision, but even then, it just showed characters and lights, it wasn't a magic "press X to find the thing you need to interact with" button.