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DMC

Devil may run up on a nigga

You know in your heart it's Bayo.

I feel like with Bayo I find one combo and stick to it. I only need to do other combos if I want a bigger score (which I often don't since the only reason I don't get pure platinum is because I fuck up).

Does Devil May Cry suffer from that? Or do you have to do different combos to succeed?

>>13810424

Fill my heart with song, and let me dream forever more?

In other words…

>>13810444

Repeating the same attacks within a certain timeframe in most DMC games will mean the style counter won't count those attacks for combo count purposes. Bayonetta doesn't work this way because if the game forced you to not spam the same combos over and over you would have a way harder time racking up the style multiplier.

Bayonetta is shit and so is MGR but at least some of the cutscenes are so cheesy they're comedy material.

DMC at least was good at some point.

>>13810447

Please be truuuuuuuuuuuuuuue

In other words

I love youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

>>13810452

See- that's really fucking cool. I'd suck at it, but it's really cool.

Even if it was only in hard mode or higher, and the "combo boredom" wore off on weapon set A, so you had to switch to B to keep it going- you'd make the player use two sets of weapons in a fight, rather than a fast and a heavy (or a short and a long) for individual fights- that would have been a cherry on the top.

>>13810381

For over-the-top set pieces:Bayo

For gameplay:Dante

For Muh Story: Jack

>>13810381

Never played any of the DMC game yet but I can say with certainty that MGR was not fun to replay after having not played it for a long time, and that is something I can't say about either of the bayonetta games as both were great when I picked them back up on the hardest difficulty available on a new game

>>13810486

>He worked on MGR

He did not.

Never played MGR but it looks rather simple. DMC vs Bayonetta are too different to compare.

Reminder that Kamiya explicitly said Bayo is stronger than Dante but all the fucking plebians think Dante is stronger because of a terrible death battle video.

>>13810495

I agree with >>13810524 on most accounts.

Have a fighting game with good AI and you'd be onto something. It's what Anarchy Reigns tried to do and really, really didn't.

IMO, with the level of studying people could do to be perfect and stylish games- they could do OK in FGC. But, FGC has other factors (mind-games, even hearing the player hit buttons can tip you off early).

stop

>>13810594

The camera has issues in all three games, but they're mitigated far better than any other game out there that tries to have the same type of combat. MGR is easy because there's a couple highly abusable things, ie infinite energy wig + jetstream sam's sword + blade mode. But if you don't use that shit the game is comparable to the others. The only crappy thing about MGR is it's too short + unpolished due to being pushed out too early.

>>13810495

Every fightan I've ever played had awful sticky controls compared to the three games OP mentioned.

>>13810381

who would be on top, bayo or dante?

>>13810632

>on top

They would likely be spinning though the air mid-coitus or some shit

>>13810486

>Kamiya invented the DMC series

He was involved with 1 and 2, which aged poorly but is known as the grandaddy of the genre and is absolute dogshit respectively. He had zero involvement with 3 or 4, which are considered the peak.

Bayonetta is shit because

1) it cannot maintain a consistent framerate on any platform it's been released on, which is laughable for a skill-based game

2) It has *randomized* QTEs all over the place that count towards your score

3) It's dramatically more locked down than DMC, with all combos being on pre-set tracks instead of allowing you to make your own on the fly like in DMC. Bayonetta 2 takes this even further by "fixing" exploits from the first game that let extremely skilled players somewhat skirt this limitation.

4) Bayonetta focuses too much on fancy setpieces, and shoving QTEs into those setpieces. If you have a cool idea for a fight, *let the player fucking do it, don't make it a cutscene with simon says prompts to play pretend*.

5) Rather than relying on tight hitboxes and smooth player movement, Bayonetta simply uses a get out of jail free dedicated dodge button with a massive amount of iframes

MGR has similar problems but not to nearly the extent of Bayonetta. By no means are they bad games I actually like MGR a lot but they don't even hold a candle to DMC.

>>13810774

>it cannot maintain a consistent framerate on any platform it's been released on

Wasn't the PC port's performance really smooth?

>>13810790

works on my machine.

>>13810461

I love you too, Matt <3

>>13810790

the pc port runs worse than emulating it via CEMU

>>13810863

Horse shit

The only problem I have experienced with the PC version is that it is the QTE issue and a crash that occurs when I quickly continue the game then pause the game and go back to title and then continue and then pause and return to title, and only if I do it like 20 times in a row

>>13810774

He was nowhere near involved with 2.

>>13810892

for me, any time you start climbing on walls, the game becomes unplayable, with Bayo and all enemies going off-screen while the camera focuses somewhere else. trying CEMU seems like a good suggestion. if it works fine, moving on to the sequel will be easy, too.

>>13810850

sage for double post, but you are a double nigger if you think NG1 is worse than DMC2

>>13810400

Underrated post.

>>13811138

>tfw could never get into Vanquish because it's too much rootietootie-point-and-shootie

>>13810631

Fighting games are very responsive with the exception of games with stiff movement. Like Netherrealm Studios games.

>>13810523

Even BRs can play fighters easily on fightcade. I've played a few myself with no problems.

>>13810558

If you were to put the amount of time into a fighter as you did a stylish game's campaign then you would be above average assuming you learm from mistakes. Playing fighters casually is just playing to improve and finding some opponents to learn from. Getting your ass kicked will start feeling like learning experiences and easy victories will bore you.

>>13810594

>not knowing that a camera can actually be used to mitigate harm from unseen angels

>not knowing that this was a deliberate choice so you wouldn't get fucked over by angels off screen

>not knowing that this is just 1 more layer of interaction on how to deal with the games mechanics

God damn I want people who have never even seen the developer commentary to leave.

For combat mechanics, I'd say DMC. In this regard Bayonetta is more accessible and aesthetic, but DMC combat gets better as you're better at the game. Bayonetta largely has dial-a-combo and sequencing said dial-a-combos- you can notice how the game starts diminishing the points from attacks if you don't finish with a Wicked Weave eventually. DMC's "combo's" are technically actions meant to be put together by the player with their own utility, and the games don't have QTE's so I believe it stronger represents player agency. For DMC's closest analogue to a QTE, the Devil Bringer mainly optional and for its sequence you have to assess the risk reward of using it (where as Bayonetta's Torture Attacks or QTE's are isolated sequences).

Bayonetta does something unique with Accessories and weapon equips, this at least deserves a mention. MGR and most Platinum games tend to derive themselves from Bayonetta, but the slicing concept is unique.

>>13811638

nigger DMC was made by platinum

DMC

Bayonetta/MGR has too many QTEs to be stylish

>>13810381

Bayonetta 1 and 2 are very fun and impressive for a playthrough, but I never had the drive to complete higher modes and never went back to either of them. I still replay DMC4 from time to time.

MGR is too different to compare to be honest. If it didn't have the music and sundowner armstrong if you're a my first politics pleb it wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is on /v/.

>>13810524

>but I thought MGR was built on top of a work of concept engine that he did for Bayonetta originally?

Platinum have their own Engine they use to make games, doesn't mean Kamiya worked on every games in Platinum. Bayo, Vanquish, MGR, Nier all use the same engine

>>13810381

Unironically Dragon's Dogma.

>>13812063

>that Raiden pic

…. Imma pretend that's a rule 63 Raiden. It's straight now. If I fap to it it'll totally be no homo… straight.

>>13810381

Devil May Cry is without doubt the better game, because of the variety AND separation among weapons and enemies. Because it's worthless when you have large numbers of them, but they are fundamentally just melee dudes to dodge or parry.

There is also something increasingly grating with Bayonetta, too whorish and arrogant to be likeable. You just don't wish to come back to her character, while the other dudes always have something fun to do. It's part of the reason why it is useless to hang around bitches, if you won't bed them. A bayonetta player is the ultimate beta in this regard, and the game even provides slimy Enzo as placeholders for gamers.

But it's Revengeance to pull off the best trick among the 3. While devil trigger is just a buff and witch time defeats the entire purpose of the game (dodging rewards you with getting thrown out of the brawl you are supposed to enjoy), instead zangeki blade time is literally the perfect, always fun gameplay element that never gets old. Too bad that refilling your entire life with a single zandatsu is a game breaking mechanic.

Last time I played Bayonetta 2 I marathon'd the whole thing over a weekend and had the most unbelievable amount of fun. I can't really judge on the technical mechanics of each game but all I know is that Bayo makes me smile, every encounter is either joyous or spectacular or both. Plus I have a thing for women with glasses

>>13811361

>implying crass shitflinging isnt board culture default

I'm afraid the odd man is you, anon. But it had to happen, everyone grows up eventually

>>13810774

>1) it cannot maintain a consistent framerate on any platform it's been released on, which is laughable for a skill-based game

Get a PC, not a toaster.

>2) It has *randomized* QTEs all over the place that count towards your score

Untrue. Every QTE is the same input, same place, same time.

The rest of your points are valid if overblown.

>>13812814

>Get a PC, not a toaster.

Bayonetta 2 is only released on the Wii U

>>13812879

>OP mentions Bayonetta

<no we're only talking about Bayonetta 2

>>13812879

>Bayonetta 2 is only released on the Wii U

So?

Haven't played MGR but Bayonetta was a fucking bore that I couldn't finish. No exploration, combat feels random as fuck, lots of combos but no need to learn 75% of them, lots of cutscenes, pacing is awful and so on. So it's DMC for me (at least until 4, never played the donte reboot)

Ninja Gaiden for XBOX is the best one of the genre though

DMC hands down.

DMC, when you see some sick stylish shit in DMC like in those combo MADs you know that was from a lot of practice and effort to learn to not only function but look sick doing it which adds to how cool it is.

In Bayo there's not too much on that sort of level. You start on the floor then climbing up the stairs is learning the dodge offsets and there you're pretty much at the top of what bayo's combat gives past 1 or 2 tricks that the game itself will lower your score for using due to how it's system works (very chains or moves not ending in a wicked weave lowers your score by 10% and this can stack till you get only 1 point for everything)

MGR:R is a cool game but stylishness comes from people sort of playing with the boss fights doing optimal stuff to make it look like a cool cinematic fight. Stuff in the game is cool and look look doing it but the input you're doing for it makes it feel less stylish due to it being a lot less.

Please don't see it like I'm bad mouthing the other 2 but daddy DMC got it spot on while the other 2 sort of 2 thirds way to what they need to drop off there.

>>13812904

Its still locked to subpar framerates and doesn't actually work perfectly on the emulator

The game drops to 40 anytime there is action on the screen.

>>13813179

>>can't keep a constant 60 fps frame rate like the other games ITT

Like what? Bayonetta? MGR?

All platinum games drop framerate whenever in action.

>>13812879

Bayo 2 is actually stale bread compared to 1 better off skipping it, like they saw how much people like that time stop dodge so they design fucking everything to need it later on some offsets are missing from the first game and to make people feel good with the fake devil trigger magic punishments for getting hit are removed.

>>13810381

Bayonetta knows what kind of game she is in and doesn't waste time with pointless shit that isn't ass kicking.

DMC has an identity crisis and has far too much uneventful exploration which is totally at odds with the action parts.

>>13813256

>Its still locked to subpar framerates

>The game drops to 40 anytime there is action on the screen.

DmC is better

>>13813277

Well fuck not the vid I wanted to embed but whatever, good idea of how it runs on the actual thing anyways

>The reboot was bad

>DMC2 ruined Dante's character and there's no more room for another prequel

So how do they plan on bringing DMC back to life?

>>13813312

>So how do they plan on bringing DMC back to life?

Why would they plan for something they're not gonna do.

>>13813277

>drops to as low as 33

>that fucking frame timing

Its actually worse than I thought. Glad I dodged that Wii U bullet.

You can argue between Bayo and DMC but MGR isn't even in the same league. It's like some cheap knockoff of the genre. It's not that bad a game but it doesn't even compete.

>>13813312

>Implying the devs see DMC2 as canon

>>13813558

>You're downright encouraged to go hog wild on the button mashing, especially given how you aren't penalized for doing so

If you conveniently ignore that one central point of the combo system is long presses vs short presses and that mashing will destroy your combo points and fail to be effective most of the time.

On the other hand you're really encouraged to just master 3 or so moves that work well and never do anything else.

>>13813594

I forgot about that shit, which just illustrates my point further.

Despite playing Bayo for more time than I have DMC games, I can still instinctively remember the timing to shit like Cerberus' CRAZY combo, or Nero's EX-Acts.

There just simply isn't the same level of depth to Bayo, as there is DMC.

TW101 is probably closer, just because of the sheer level of viable options you have at any given point in time.

>>13813272

>DMC has an identity crisis and has far too much uneventful exploration

it was originally supposed to be a RE spin-off that took off on its own wings. that "uneventful exploration" of gothic structures was supposed to be part of the experience. they even improved that in 4 with the running boost ability.

>>13811434

>awful camera is a feature that can help the player

>the developer commentary is part of the game

nigger, I play the games. this isn't some fucking DVD I'm trying to watch. shouldn't even be responding to this terrible bait, 2/10

I'm shocked that there has only been one mention of Nier: Automata in this thread so far.

>>13812280

Dragon's Dogma is not cuhrayzee.

>>13810381

Also I'd like to note the second OP pic depicts 1's Bayonetta as leagues more attractive than she is normally.

>>13810381

DMC obviously the best.

MGR is alright but nothing special. Whole game is just about the parry and riposte move so once you've figured that out there's not much to do.

Bayonetta was just really offputting to me. Don't like her character and there's no-one else to care about. Couldn't even finish the game.

>>13813312

>there's no more room for another prequel

Curayzeee parenting action game featuring Sparda from the DMC series.

>>13810868

What do you mean by dial up and free flow? In DMC you have both dial up combos and free flow and you mix the 2 together. Go play the Trish singleplayer to really understand what I mean by this in DMC4.

DMC3 and 4 are still the best of the genre I think. The way the style system encourages you to use a variety of moves, the total lack of QTEs (and the conceptually similar but much better Devil Bringer), the relatively small but more useful/practical movesets the player has, stable framerate and tight hitbox design, they get a lot of things right that other stylish action or whatever you want to call them games don't. I also really enjoy the Bloody Palace (especially 3's) and can't think of another game in the genre with a side mode that I've enjoyed as much as that. Bayo 2's Lost Chapters were really good, though.

MGR was good, but it didn't have as much content as I would like in terms of length, number of bosses, etc. The weapon switching system was also pretty cumbersome compared to a lot of other games in the genre and in that regard it felt like they were trying to be too loyal to the 'Metal Gear' label on the box. Blade mode was cool though and I liked the fact that severing the limbs of certain enemies affected the way they fought.

I really like both Bayonetta games as well, but dodges are more lenient than I'd prefer and the first game in particular has far, far too many QTEs for my liking. I also didn't like Bayo 1's bosses very much, they're too setpiece-heavy and you spend decent chunk of time watching each fight rather than playing because of that. Bayo 2's bosses are better in that regard, but the new humanoid bosses and some new enemies (especially Sloth) dodge your attacks far too frequently, to the point where you're essentially forced to play reactively with Witch Time sometimes. The first Bayo's framerate is also awful, but I imagine the PC version alleviates that.

Most other things to do with MGR and Bayo have already been mentioned by other anons in this thread, so I'll say The Wonderful 101 also deserves a mention. It's got some questionable design in places, but it's a great game overall, with really unique enemy design and combat.

>aesthetics

Bayonetta

>gameplay

DMC

>music and non-protagonist characters

MGR

>>13813256

>All platinum games drop framerate whenever in action.

The PC ports of Bayonetta and MGR don't and neither does the port of DMC4.

>>13816811

>music

>not Devil May Cry

I hope you of jokes anon

>>13816822

Platinum had nothing to do with DMC4(thankfully)