/v/ - Video Games

>empty open worlds

>inferior combat system compared to other RPGs

>shit tier fedex quests

>"Singleplayer MMO" is often used as derogatory term, but why?

>As a matter of fact these games take all the good from MMO genre and cuts out all the bad.

t. apologist for cut-paste design philosophy.

"Vast world" isn't a pro when it's empty as fuck. The fact that they had to implement a fucking speed up button in FF12 tells you all you need to know about why singleplayer MMOs are bad.

Doesnt mmo mean massively multiplayer online? How the hell can a singleplayer mmo even exist then?

Ff12 was fun though.

>>13779367

>empty open worlds

False

>inferior combat system compared to other RPGs

What other RPGs? Morrowind? Or Gothic?

>shit tier fedex quests

They are completely optional.

>>13779377

They are anything but empty.

>>13779378

it's just a phrase.

>>13779346

>"Singleplayer MMO"

"Singleplayer Massively Multiplater Online

what the fuck

>>13779378

>>13779385

I'l say its better to say "singleplayer wow clone". Since it was WoW that killed mmo genre with stupid fetch quests with quest markers.

>>13779394

And JRPG genre is "final fantasy clone" genre.

>>13779380

FF12, WKC and Xenoblade all have boring (but beautiful) open worlds with nothing but wandering enemies in them.

Both Morrowind and Gothic are more engaging than cooldown combat. Finally why bother making all those shitty fedex quest and not making proper ones?

>>13779346

What does MMO stand for anyway?

>>13779416

>RPG

>ROLE PLAYING GAME

>no role playing in the game

Open world action maybe? Open world clicker?

>>13779346

Are they fun enough to capture your attention for long periods of time? That's the only question that ever matters, even though so many niggers pretend that's not the case.

>>13779416

Off topic, but that creature should have been left to die the instant he lost the majority of his brain. There is no reason whatsoever to keep a useless piece of shit like that alive. You are only asking for it to cause harm and pain to someone and/or itself. A drain on public resources and a danger to itself and others. Pure niggerdom.

>>13779373

What if you just want to grind while traversing vast expanses of nothingness without a bunch of cancerous faggots ruining the experience for you?

It's like a (1) and done thread but the OP wont go away.

These games are shit. And your "positives" in relation to MMOs are more like HIV positives. I wish we could get more persistent multiplayer games that don't come with D&D baggage. In fact I really wish we could stop D&D baggage in games all together. When I first heard the term "RPG" I thought it meant an immersive game with an interesting world where you can pretend to be a person and build your own story, like tabletop RPG games where you play a part in a dungeon master's story. Instead it turns out RPG games mean games with stat sheets that badly ape D&D dice rolling mechanics. Go figure.

>>13779524

Adventure game

singleplayer "mmo" in that they're garbage like other things that bare the title.

>>13779746

>using snowflake as an insult

Hello /leftypol/

>>13779403

>FF12, WKC and Xenoblade all have boring (but beautiful) open worlds with nothing but wandering enemies in them.

t. person who didnt play FF12, WKC or Xenoblade

>>13779346

I wish Kingdoms of Amalur's characters looked better. I've never been able to get very far into the game before the visuals start to grate on me.

>>13780722

But he's right. You can't go back to certain areas in ff12, and you don't want to if you could, because all areas are level progression tied, and so there's no point in going back and doing a fetch and kill quest for inferior rewards. The only reason in going back is to view the scenery, but then there are enemies in the way and everything becomes a hassle. You end up just blasting through the gated levels in ff12 wanting to finish the story/game. Real open worlds have you going back to the place, i.e. backtracking and uncovering something in the same place that rewards you or opens up another spot. Ocarina of Time is way better as an open world in this regard, but super metroid even better. Exploration is just way more fun in these games as opposed to FF12.

Reiterating again. FF12 going back to old areas, old quests low level enemies, boring. I am not reading or doing stupid quests (I never did anyway and don't remember much now) for the purpose of gaining money or some better stat armor/weapon. Too many progression locked areas makes upgrading in the current zone a little useless as the next zone will yield everything tiered better.

In OoT, there's literally only 3-4 tiers of armor and weapons. Each upgrade feels important, and the FEW quests in this open world can net you very important sub-items like bottles, or the Hyrule shield, or a Biggoron sword.

>Lets take something balanced for 1,000,000 players and only let 1 person play it

>>13781027

>he thinks vaan is the mc of ff12

You're as dumb as rocks

>>13781055

>he thinks he isn't

Kill yourself, fujoshit.

>>13781064

Indeed. It doesn't have anything to do with roleplaying. It should be called "japanese action game".

>>13781272

>Becomes completely irrelevant 1/3 into the story and his main problem is just coping with the fact that Basch did/didn't kill his brother.

>Spends most cutscenes just standing in the background and reacting to shit that happens.

>Only used to bait girls and young boys who wanted a more relate-able character than Basch and Ashe

>>13781064

Action Adventure would be a much better fit. At this point, we all know JRPG is essentially just a Dragon Quest clone. Reminds me how people still call Phantasy Star Online 2 an MMO.

>>13781336

Exploration game sounds better, you don't actually explore shit in adventure games moreso than following a plot.

>>13779378

Have you seen recent MMO's? TORtanic for one is a subscription based Single Player game with other people running in the background.

>>13781361

It's very common for action games to send you through various location to fight things so I don't think the exploration tag is really needed. I mean there's barely any games you don't explore in.

>>13781396

I played it on the PS2, multiple times, so yeah I can say that.

>>13781064

Dark Souls?

How about dungeon crawler. More Diablo than Final Fantasy.

>>13781396

Yes.

I also did that on PS2.

>>13779346

FF12 has horrible pacing, I sometimes get burned out shortly after Empire capital or ruins beyond Feywood.

Bazaar system is retarded and good fucking luck finding best weapons without guide.

Vaan and Penelo were kind of forced into game.

License system was easily broken by grinding on weak enemies.

>>13779346

Because Anon, contrary to what the current shit generation of players will tell you, the point of playing an MMO isn't to see your numbers get bigger as you move through newer areas and admire their decoration while you fight red goblins instead of blue ones this time.

The entire point of an MMO was and should still be the social aspect. You're supposed to join a guild, make friends, participate in events and enjoy banter and rivalry with oposing factions\players.

The entire game itself works as context for these interactions, but they themselves are the endgoal of an MMO.

To put it simply, you don't PvP to get better gear so you can PvP some more. You PvP because you're competing and cooperating with other people, getting extra gear in the end is just a bonus.

So naturally, when you say "offline MMO", you're essentially saying "What's wrong with a game in X genre that has none of the best features of X genre?". It'd be like Quake without guns or Age of Empires with a single unit.