a8ed81 No.13719915
>man I got some pretty cool looking armor on
>nothing could go wrong when I'm wearing this baby- oh
>oh…
And that's when I knew ff12 would be better.
2c630a No.13719940
I never put attention to detail. I thought the arrow had managed to pierce his armor and was thinking it was retarded.
But would he really die if the arrow struck there?
f1ed72 No.13719948
I can't believe there's so many people who think this game has a barebones plot. I know the game seems almost universally loved, or at least not hated, now but back on release tons of gamefaqs-tier dipshits were whining about there being no story and how the characters sucked.
8ddca0 No.13719960
>>13719915
>male armor
>no helmet
>some kind of window
the fag deserve to die
f1ed72 No.13719963
>>13719940
Considering Basch is a dumbass who never bothered to learn cure and revive, sure. Doesn't explain how he sniped the guy back though, since he doesn't start with a bow license.
3c76d8 No.13719977
>>13719963
This shouldn't have made me chuckle. In any case FFXII was pants on head retarded despite making some good changes.
a8ed81 No.13719984
>>13719960
>my lord we have a new armor design for our troops!
>BRILLIANT, THOSE FILTHY ARCHADIANS WON'T STAND A CHANCE!
*gets curbstomped*
>we should sue for terms
f1ed72 No.13720000
>>13719984
It really says a lot that the guy wearing a sweatshirt, corset, skinnyjeans and crocs is the most sensibly dressed person in the game.
a8ed81 No.13720028
>>13720000
I have no idea what you're talking about.
>listen up Vossler, you are our best special agent
>we're gonna armor you up to the fucking ears
>no wait, leave my clavicle exposed
>what
>I like feeling the breeze, and there's nothing important worth protecting there anyways
05135d No.13720032
Should I believe Ondore's lies?
f0ced9 No.13720050
>tfw they will never remake XII without Vaan
a8ed81 No.13720060
>>13720050
I really feel like ff12 started development as vagrant story 2.0 and they just slapped the final fantasy brand on it with all the baggage, including vaan and penelo.
f1ed72 No.13720078
>>13720050
They kinda did with the manga since he's just a retarded punching bag for every other character rather than anything remotely like a protagonist. That never got finished though and ended on a cliffhanger with Ashe getting her arm blown off
f0ced9 No.13720082
>>13720060
Thats pretty much what it was, Vaan and Penelo were just thrown in because they were afraid the audience wouldn't understand the story and they wanted the fujo crowd
f0ced9 No.13720098
>>13720078
>that cliffhanger
4f8c91 No.13720100
>>13719915
>male armor
>has cleavage hole
Seriously?
29ec74 No.13720123
>>13720060
I would slap Penelo on me
129e9e No.13720136
I kinda like Basch's clothes, even though they make no sense.
f1ed72 No.13720146
>>13720123
>tfw she will never cast reverse on your balls and then kick them
319a0c No.13720156
>man I'm OP of this great thread
>it couldn't possibly turn into a dubs threa-
>oh
3c76d8 No.13720190
>>13720078
>that cliffhanger
After such a great cliffhanger I can't imagine why they would stop making it. What's the name of it?
f1ed72 No.13720207
>>13720190
It's just called the FFXII manga as far as I know. Also, that cliffhanger was probably done after they knew it was going to get cancelled just to end it on as sour of a note as possible.
3c76d8 No.13720227
>>13720207
>as sour of a note as possible.
Nigger, that's one of the best things that could have happened besides vaan being ejected into fucking space like that one marysue in eight.
f1ed72 No.13720272
>>13720227
It's the only real gore in the entire run. If that's not a sour note I don't know what is. It's not like we'll ever get to see just how more hardcore it would end up getting either, since it happens right when Vossler defects.
840790 No.13720280
realistic armour is best armour
5e39c5 No.13720287
>>13719915
Silly fag. Only cute girls are immune to damage in that area!
a8ed81 No.13720302
>>13720280
Single piece breastplates are retarded though and were only employed by later cavalry.
840790 No.13720322
when will breastplates be animated correctly instead of bending magically?
f1ed72 No.13720348
>>13720322
This game actually managed to do it mostly right, same with 11. There's a few instances of them fucking up though.
0a2569 No.13720382
>>13720302
I love guns+armor bits there and there combination, shame it's so under-presented in vidya.
And the jrpg's that mostly portray it just do it in a retarded way like Valkyria Chronicles where everyone had armored nipple/breast-covers in addition to arm/leg-guards.
3c76d8 No.13720384
>>13720322
>when will breastplates be animated correctly instead of bending magically?
Never. They haven't even tried to do musculature right.
ae5bac No.13720391
I liked XII a lot. I also like Vaan once he grows up a little bit. But Penelo is forever a cutie pie and that combat system was not awful, so…
Gameplay 8/10 i think gambits and licenses are fun but that's just my retarded opinion
Waifus 9/10 something for everyone even a trap
Plot 5/10 tolerable but not a strong suit whatsoever
174425 No.13720770
>>13720322
Probably never. Most models have the entire torso as one flexible piece, so the breastplate just moves with it. Animating it correctly would mean extra work for a minor detail that most devs and publishers won't consider worthwhile, especially since the mainstream audience won't notice.
90af62 No.13720969
The only good FF was and still is 7.
a8ed81 No.13721006
>>13720770
You could just animate the torso, then slab some plates on it. I saw such animation in some games, although the armor did clip, most shoulder pads are tacked on to the model in such a way.
Or they could make the breastplate out of flexible materials and composites like a lamellar armor or something.
531fc9 No.13721054
>>13719948
The plot is boring and the main character is annoying.
5825ed No.13721381
RABANASTRE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING DESERT YOU FUCKING GOOBERS, IF THEY WORE HEAVY ARMOUR THEY'D FUCKING DIE OF HEATSTROKE, WHY DO YOU THINK THE ARCADIAN OFFENSIVE TAKES PLACE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT?!!? CUS IF THEY DID IT IN THE DAYTIME THEY'D BE AT A DISADVANTAGE FOR FUCK SAKE.
1cdf91 No.13721435
>>13721054
>The plot is boring
You have shit taste.
>the main character is annoying
Balthier is not annoying.
0f3686 No.13721512
>>13719977
if Basch stayed the main character as was originally intended I feel like it would have been significantly less retarded.
5094ad No.13721535
>>13720050
Remember when they put a white shirt on Vaan and he looked actually okay?
00c01f No.13721552
>>13720280
>realistic armour is best armour
pic unrelated?
3c76d8 No.13722028
>>13721381
Then why doesn't Rabanastre have air conditioning? What do you say to that?
6a5914 No.13722084
Actually the best FF game despite its protagonist.
Would be cool if they decided to remake IV in the same style, but a IV remake itself is a pipe dream.
c85e20 No.13722154
>>13722084
>but a IV remake itself is a pipe dream
but they already did it. Did you perhaps mean VI?
bd8cc8 No.13722170
>>13719915
The clavicle window, while believed to be foolish, was actually a tactically sound addition to some armors to distract the enemy with the beauty of one's erotic collarbones.
6a5914 No.13722171
>>13722154
That's true, but it didn't really feel like a remake. Wish they would have made it in a more realistic style.
bdfc63 No.13722191
>>13722171
>Wish they would have made it in a more realistic style.
You deserve that episodic VII remake.
bd6613 No.13722231
Haven't even beaten Revenant Wings yet because everything is in the fucking 50's while basically everyone is still below LV 40 for some reason and I have a vague grasp of XII.
Does Balthier fuck Fran?
bd6613 No.13722242
c85e20 No.13722265
>>13722191
>>13722171
rather than realistic, something that mimics Amano's art would be nice. You'd need an engine similar to Okami's though
c85e20 No.13722272
>>13722231
pretty much all the time always, yes
bd6613 No.13722305
>>13722265
The sheer asymmetry with Cecil and Golbez triggers the fuck out of my autism.
How's the DS remake and The After Years, which I'm sure directly follows in its footsteps? I love the armor redesigns in it, especially Dark Knight.
>>13722272
Fuck yeah.
c85e20 No.13722366
>>13722305
if you want to play the After Years, play the PSP FF4 collection. It has an additional chapter bridging 4 and AY
The DS remake of 4 does a lot of cool shit and twists up a few things.
Because there's voice acting (it's decent though not great), Namingway can't rename you and goes on a journey of self-discovery.
When a character leaves you they give you a goodie that lets you assign their skills to another member of your party
Edward/Gilbert is actually useful
The Tower of Babel robot isn't as cool, as it's now the guardian of the tower instead of a transformer
Palom and Porom depetrifying is still unexplained
The endgame is harder than before, with a level 99 party still having a tough time.
d720d4 No.13722408
>>13720060
Vagrant story's director was directing 12 but he left halfway through development. They finished the game without him so you're not far off the mark really.
It also means this game is literally fan fiction.
3339cb No.13723894
>>13722305
>Cecil and Golbez
That's Cecil's dark knight
2353d3 No.13723902
>>13720770
shouldn't it be easier? assuming it's not some fruitcake design and covers the whole torso.
313aa5 No.13723906
>>13720100
>he doesn't know
Look up Ashley Riot pls
f1ed72 No.13723908
>>13723894
That's obviously Batman.
313aa5 No.13723916
e355f9 No.13723955
9e897a No.13723964
>>13720050
I never noticed it when i was a dumb kid, but after replaying it again a couple years ago you can really tell Vaan was never intended to be in the game at all. Like most of the major cut scenes he's in, he's either not there or they just show him by himself reacting to the story happening around him. Why the fuck did SE slap him onto the game so late in production? I mean Tidus worked as a blank slate protagonist because he was written into the story that way from the beginning. You can't take a fully written detailed story and slap a self insert protagonist in at the very end.
f1ed72 No.13723974
>>13723964
There's an interview with one of the writers floating out there somewhere that pretty much sum it up as Vaan and Penelo being re-written at the last second to be more positive and marketable characters. Vaan actually is instrumental in making Ashe not fall for the Occuria's plan but he and Penelo were still supposed to be more important. We'll probably never know the exact details though.
d473ad No.13723989
>>13721054
can confirm. first playthrough of the Zodiac version a few months ago, had to put it down. just as bad as FF XIII
90af62 No.13724321
>>13723955
Singleplayer MMO is the best kind of MMOs tbh.
0ab6a6 No.13724418
50e85a No.13730348
>FFT has dual wielding
>it's super powerful too
>FF12 has dual wielding enemies
>you can't do it no matter what
e2f9e0 No.13730695
Literally the only JRPG were I chose the English dub.
0e87f9 No.13730724
>>13720050
He grows on you by the end of the game.
Specifically the part where he impersonates Lhasa.
e2f9e0 No.13730733
>>13723955
FF12 needs to be played on double speed. Made the grinding bearable.
66916b No.13732517
>>13721381
>THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE TO HEAVY ARMOR IS RETARD ARMOR
Dude just cast aero to light up the heat lmao
>>13722305
>The After Years
Fucking terrible, might as well just replay FFIV
e7bba4 No.13732581
>>13730348
And the one weapon that would make total sense to dual wield, as well as being mandatory in the previous game, is now two-handed despite only using one hand in every animation. I guess they thought they game was easy enough as is.
79fea4 No.13734638
>>13730695
Also literally only the JRPG were the English dub was done by actual stage actors and not just the importer's cronies and steve blum
e7bba4 No.13734664
>>13734638
DQ8 had theater people do the dub as well, but it's not nearly as good.
f02972 No.13734706
>come to thread for Fran and Penelo
<there is neither Fran or Penelo
149338 No.13734774
4ca64d No.13734784
>>13734706
This is all I have.
f05db3 No.13736069
>>13720032
Never.
>>13723974
Yeah, Vaan actually does help Ashe avoid falling for the Occuria ghost trick. And I like to believe the rest of the party has a silent agreement to keep him and Penelo around as disposable manpower.
91cac6 No.13736083