/v/ - Video Games

>>13670097

Deleted the previous thread because there was a typo.

AAA is probably trying to kill off singler player games to combat piracy, since you can't pirate a game that requires you to connect to a central sever. A shame really, although chances are the games are shit anyways.

>Xbox general manager Shanon Loftis chimed in

some old whore has an opinion on vidya? pass

>>13670087

fug D:

>>13670210

They're trying to kill off single-player games because it's years of expense for a single spike of profit.

With multiplayer you can use microtransactions to string players along forever like heroine addicts or gambling addicts. What's more, you can make multiplayer games look and play much MUCH shittier and multiplayer-cucks will still play them because people who play multiplayer games only have half the normal human brainpower.

The only saviors of single player games are open world games kek

>>13670122

>how many fucking flops have we had these couple of years?

That's honestly a good question. How many, /v/?

>>13671495

I lost count on ten.

It's from 2015 to 2017.

>>13670087

>Gamers want higher fidelity and they want higher resolution graphics

No, I fucking don't. I want a good game not some pretty pixels and cgi cutscenes.

>>13671495

It's hard to gauge since AAA standards are absurd. Square Enix wrote off Rise of the Tomb Raider as a flop even though it sold eleventy million copies across two consoles and PC.

New games in general are dead. There will be no classics released this year, the next, or the next.

>general manager

Oh boy, how the fuck did she get there. I mean, she is failing at common sense.

>>13672532

>how the fuck did she get there

>she is failing at common sense

You have your answer.

>the realities of doing business.

FUCK YOUR BUSINESS I JUST WANT VIDEO GAMES, FUN ENJOYABLE ORIGINAL VIDEO GAMES MADE BY PEOPLE WHO ALSO LOVE VIDEO GAMES HOLY FUCK I'M NOT EVEN ASKING FOR MUCH

>>13672629

>VIDEO GAMES MADE BY PEOPLE WHO ALSO LOVE VIDEO GAMES

no such people exist anymore

>>13670097

>pic

Glad this hasn't been forgotten, surprised it doesn't get brought up more.

>>13670087

I mean they're not fucking wrong you retards, they're simply stating what makes the most money from the cancerous, easily exploited normalfag masses and those are multiplayer f2p/microtransactions/lootbox/subscription shit, if normalfags didn't fucking buy them they wouldn't saturate the mobile market like it does, and it's absolute fucking cancer. I don't get these "NUH UH LOOK AT CUPHEAD SINGLEPLAYER GAMES AREN'T DEAD" niggers, we all know they are better and less garbage - but they aren't more SUCCESSFUL because successful means money for publishers, and how could anyone be so fucking dense as to not realize that these people are, obviously, talking about money? You've heard about whales and the insane amounts of spending from normalfags so that is all the proof you need to realize yes that shit is more profitable. No amount of cult hit following, positive reputation, "critical acclaim" by journofaggots for a singleplayer game will be as profitable as the cashgrab multiplayer formulae that are everywhere these days. You have to realize that when people mean successful they mean money to budget ratio and not how good the actual game is because nobody fucking cares how good a game is anymore

>>13672773

>Make mobile knockoff of popular PC multiplayer game: $30,000 per month

>Make multiplayer card game people can play in their browsers and on their phone: $50,000 per month

>Make a single player RPG that took far more time and resources: $100,000 lifetime sales

This is what it is like to be a game developer in 2017.

I noticed they like to call their games "AAA" titles. An AAA title in my opinion is based on success that is a result of fun.

>>13670210

>AAA is probably trying to kill off single player games to combat piracy,

Perhaps they just suck. Corruption has kicked out the remaining talented people. Today it's like this: Graduate school -> find next job you can get even if you don't like it at all -> you suck but you need the money -> result: product is trash.and soulless -> people buy shit anyway because it's a franchise based on old titles made by different people -> companies like EA don't care because they are not about making video games but rather about money buy producing video games

Single players don't generate enough profits for swedecuck studios like EA. Risk-reward ratio is not good. Finding the right people is nearly impossible because many want to be a designer/programmer at EA.

Just a smart question: If you can design a good game and you know how to do things, why would you apply to a shitty swedecuck company like EA and low wage payment if you actually can make a game on your own and earn tons of money?

>>13673075

<Make mobile knockoff of popular PC multiplayer game: $30,000 per month

<Make multiplayer card game people can play in their browsers and on their phone: $50,000 per month

<Make a single player RPG that took far more time and resources: $100,000 lifetime sales

>This is what it is like to be a game developer in 2017

Exactly this!!!!

She isn’t wrong, at least with respect to big budget AAA titles. What she ignores is that smaller budget (not indie) single player games still can do great in 2017, as games like Nier, Persona, and Zelda have shown.

Single player games that need a huge budget are an endangered species though because of the investment demands. Between marketing and development, a big-budget AAA game developed in the West with consistently high production values costs $50-$100 million, with most of that being asset creation and marketing. If you’re a publisher or investor, it is much less risky to spend a bit more to make a coop or multiplayer game, and coop/MP games are more likely to sell the big numbers necessary to make back the investment due to people trying to sell the game to their friends as well as those games being much easier to insert DLC/virtual currency into.

So for publishers like EA and Microsoft that can’t develop efficiently and want the huge returns on big investments, they really can’t look at single player only games.

the problem is the (((western))) industry.

>>13673155

they are wrong, and persona 5 and botw aren't smaller budget games.

>>13673097

For job experience and rather small amount of money but 100% sure money for short period.

>>13673149

Maturbation is degenerate. It objectifies women. And makes men less masculine. Also object of masturbation becomes new standard for female sexuality, even if its not real, and men start losing interest in real life women, who don't look like anime girls.

>>13673149

At least he's passionate about what he does. Can't really say that of Western devs.

>Single player games are out of fashion

Then how come all the recent multiplayer-games has flopped hard?

>>13673215

>men start losing interest in real life women who don't look like anime girls

This is mostly a meme. You forget there is more to women than just appearances, and I don't mean personality.

>>13673246

I thought multiplayer games (CSGO, Warframe, etc) were making massive amounts of money off of microtransactions. It's just that Lawbreakers, Battleborn, Quake Champions, UT4ever in beta, and Call of Duty in space failed for more fundamental reasons.

>>13673246

Overabundance of them in recent period.

>>13673186

You know nothing. Zelda and Persona only cost a fraction of what the average AAA game costs. Persona only had a team of under 100 people for most of its development, its far cheaper to employ people in Japan compared to the US/EU, and neither game had the kind of expensive ultra-fidelity assets that modern AAA games require.

>>13673290

Cuphead and Hat in Time gave me new hope for this year. Unfortunately New Colossus took that all away.

>>13673300

point out where I said they were AAA budgeted games. I'll happily know nothing if it's an illiterate retard accusing me of it.

>>13673281

That's another thing. With there already being an overabundance of these multiplayer skinnerboxes I hope to god every single one of their attempts bombs like lawbreakers.

>pump singleplayer with shitty unchallenging games with bigger focus on storytelling

>the problem is clearly singleplayer goy! buy our new MOBAs!

>>13673097

>Just a smart question: If you can design a good game and you know how to do things, why would you apply to a shitty swedecuck company like EA and low wage payment if you actually can make a game on your own and earn tons of money?

It is a payout for those who have skills in a particular area but do not have the ability to manage a project, do all the work on their own, or market the final product. Games have a low customer lifetime value. Buying ads for them is a waste of time unless you have lots of money to throw around. If a developer cannot find people to popularize their game, then the only alternative is to become a whore.

In the end people who want to play video games will continue to sift through the shit to support the good games that are out there.

>>13673368

Crowdfunding and going indie was supposed to help this, but it's become incredibly hard to recognize an honest project from a scam. There's blatant scams out there, but really, how many successful kickstarters have there been since the damn thing was set up? That number pales in comparison to the amount of scams and failed projects it hosts.

>>13673290

Yeah, compared to the $100 million+ budgets that many Western AAA games have, Zelda, Nier and Persona ARE small in comparison. The big reason is that they didn’t require the ultra-high fidelity assets that most AAA games require these days, which is what EA and Microsoft are talking about.

Persona and Nier both became profitable after selling a million copies, despite Persona being in development for nearly a decade. Western AAA games with high fidelity assets need several times that to turn a profit.

Admittedly Zelda is an odd example here that confused people somewhat because it was Nintendo’s biggest game, with over 300 people on it, plus it had a AAA ad campaign largely because they were launching the Switch as well. Even with all that, Zelda certainly cost less than your average Assassins Creed game.

>>13673325

Well you didn’t say much of anything. It was clear from the OP and from my post (which I seriously doubt you read) that the topic was on AAA games with high-fidelity graphics.

>>13673420

>persona 5 and botw aren't low budget games

where did I say they were AAA? Answer the question idiot.

>>13673108

>!!!

You are doing a terrible fucking job blending in, you fucking shill faggot.

Single player games will always be profitable, but part of what makes something profitable is how much of a budget went into development. A combination of too many employees and insanely high marketing budgets are making game development too expensive to recover the costs. Compare that to something like Cuphead where a couple of guys makes a game on a shoestring budget and they sell a million copies. That game was profitable. Or how about A Hat In Time where they had $300k from Kickstarter and now they have sold 60k copies at $30 a piece. After Steam takes their 30% cut the devs are still walking away with $1.26m.

>>13673420

>that most AAA games require these days

That stupid fucks think they require, which they don't. Even then, most of that retarded huge budget goes into marketing and the void of mismanaging fuckhuge developer teams who create different parts of the game in different studios divided among different countries.

They aren't dead, just poorly made by AAA devs.

>>13673323

how well was new collossus shit received?

>>13673300

zelda, you need to buy a console on top, so don't be including zelda you dense retards

>>13673590

Now to be fair, that game has more appealing visuals than any of their bland shit.

>>13673408

Crowdfunding would be more successful if it was something that occurred later in development. Money is mainly needed to produce custom content. I can make an entire game with limited content and swap things out at the end. I'd be highly skeptical of any game that does not have a playable demo already or one pushed by an idea guy who utilizes programmers, artists, and musicians to create his vision. Even if that person is widely known, expect to get garbage in return.

>>13670122

>tfw overwatch's online player count will drop below tf2's before tf2 dies

Really goes to show that AAA games have lost their spark.

>>13673590

AAA has become sterile and safe, there's nothing visually attractive about it anymore.

>>13674966

>Call homies

>Beer +9

>Petrovich, keeper of Adidasium

oh you rooskies crack me up

>>13673215

Literally the only bad thing about porn is that it gave me a giant dick fetish, and made me think mine was small.

Meanwhile i cannot use normal condoms cause they are too tight, and i hurt my gf if we have too much sex.

Seriously, if you have so little testosterone that fapping makes a difference for you, start jogging and working out, get a better diet, lose weight and engage females more, because your problem is definitely not porn.

>>13675053

>Literally the only bad thing about porn is that it gave me a giant dick fetish

I agree with him now

Stop fapping you fucking degenerate

>>13675053

How big is your dick? I'm afraid my 5 inch is too small for women so I get anxious when the thought of bed time comes to my mind.

>>13675173

>>>/b/

>>13675189

>men can't talk about their dicks with other men

>>>/kindergarden/

>>13675210

>being insecure about your dick size

>>>/middleschool/

>>13675310

Fuckoff back to /b/ and stop derailing faggot

>>13673408

>how many successful kickstarters have there been since the damn thing was set up?

For video games? I can think of exactly two.

>>13675378

Hollow knight and bear simulator are the only kickstarter games I can think of right now, and only one of them can be deemed a "success"

>>13675674

There is hope though. Stock content will improve in quality and tools will advance to the point that lone wolf developers can create large games on their own. We won't return to the way things were in older eras, but the landscape will change to the point that most will be able to find something they enjoy. Consider Neverwinter Nights. The user-created modules crushed the Bioware modules in terms of quality. We will see something similar occur when the difficulty of developing games is reduced further.

>>13673215

>masturbation

>new standard for female sexuality, even if its not real, and men start losing interest in real life women, who don't look like anime girls.

*FACEPALM YOU DUMBFUCK

>And makes men less masculine

When men masturbate, free non-effective testosterone is converted to DHT- testosterone. DHC testosterone is responsible for sexdrive, muscle growth (and if you have bad genetics it affects your male pattern baldness).

In fact suppressing masturbation turns a man into a weak faggot. Free testosterone then accumulates and the non-effective free testosterone levels rise until the body is starting to convert the overproduced free testosterone into estrogen. Men then start losing their sex drive even more!

>It objectifies women

BECAUSE WOMAN ARE A FUCKING OBJECT WITH LITTLE TO NO BRAIN

>>13673215

And reported!!

>>13675920

NWN is so fundamentally different than making an actual game. It already had a massive userbase (this can never be made trivial). All the assets where made by a single studio, so they all fit together perfectly. It was before cancer like Extra Credits and Universities polluted game design for sheckles, which means even more games are going to be creatively bankrupt now. All community assets where made by individuals for a common game, rather than individuals making their own game. If you look at any other artform that takes effort, like animation or even drawing. You can easily tell which artists rely heavily on their tools (the bad ones) and which ones have talent.

Xbox: single player games are hard to make

My first instinct is the "how would you know you dont fucking make any" response.

Then its followed by a "holy shit xbox cannot do fucking anything right".

I really wonder why some anons still own an xbone.

>>13675967

>>13675962

lol the asshurt

>>13675995

>tfw the only reason the xbox is still around is single player games

>>13673215

>Maturbation is degenerate. It objectifies women.

Shill trying to push the /pol/ are feminists lie, shouldn't you be shitting up r9k?

Remember guys, when /v/ is above /pol/ we're being raided.

>>13675995

>I really wonder why some anons still own an xbone.

I don't think any anons own an xbone. I don't think anyone owns an xbone. I mean for what reason would you buy a console that has no games?

>>13676012

<masturbation

>I'm not going to pretend blablablalblablalblablalbalb

?

I think your real problem is you are an idiot.

>>13676029

>lol the asshurt

lol the stupid bitch with the ugly face

>2D is faaault uwaaaaaawaaawaaaa

No, you are just too ugly. I tell you as it is, even without the virtual world, everyone will still ignore you, because your face is trash.

And you don't need to be scared of masturbation either - no one will ever masturbate to the ugly pictures of yours.

I knew this was coming, thats why I spent my entire game budget this year to mod my Dreamcast, PS2, OG Xbox, Wii and buy a N64 flash cart. If the industry doesn't want me I'll gladly bow out.

>>13671303

I don't know about a single spike. Nintendo makes a solid amount off their decades old games on the eshop I'm sure. Blizzard still sells boxed Diablo 2 copies. I've bought RE4 three times. You can play the long game if you want, most publishers just treat games as disposable.

>>13671303

>people who play multiplayer games only have half the normal human brainpower.

I tip my hat to you, fellow Rick And Morty fan

EA: we could make money making great single-player games like Super Mario Odyssey, but it's more profitable for us to exploit psychological weaknesses and turn multiplayer shooters into a casino.

>>13670087

I don't play multiplayer, so I guess gaming as a whole is dead.

>>13673215

>objectifies women

>>>/neogaf/

>>13670087

>Gamers want higher fidelity and they want higher resolution graphics

BUT THEY'RE SO FUCKING SHIT AT IT

Halo 3 and Reach both look better than every single 343 game.

It's ridiculous.

I remember watching Red vs Blue and it's so jarring how much the visuals decline when they start using Halo 4 to make it

The single player games will never be dead

>>13670087

fake news

>>13678002

Faggot journos complained about it being Boss Rush only

>Socialize for play vidya

>>13678071

But anon, bosses are too "videogamey" and have no place in video games. Also "loss states" and "gameplay" are cancerous infections that need to go away.

t. gamejournoPRO

>>13678254

>videogamey

I hate this term, because it refers to a real thing, but it's a terrible way of referring to it. Just say "contrived" or "artificial." There's no need to denigrate the medium just because you have a small vocabulary.

>>13678290

The point is that they want to sound as mockingly childish as they can - because as leftists they never grew up and schoolyard bullying is the deepest darkness they've experienced.

>>13678025

Things got upside down, but for jewing sakes.

>oy vey, dont you want to look cool or have a edge over the other players ?

>>13670087

>Gamers want higher fidelity and they want higher resolution graphics.

If this were actually the consumers' priority, consoles wouldn't exist. To me, top-of-the-line 3D graphics started achieving diminishing returns around 2005 to 2007. Everything after that is icing on the cake.

Right now, we have a cavalcade of games that look good, but are infested with bugs, play like shit, and shove microtransactions down your throat like F2P games. I would happily pay for ten games a year that look like they were made in 2006, but play extremely well and are bug-free.

And no, I'm not talking about pixelshit or indie games, I'm talking about big, publisher-backed games made by seasoned, full-time professionals.

>>13678303

You're making it deeper than it is. They just have small vocabularies and hate the medium, probably because they play games for work, not pleasure. I'm convinced that the last part is the main reason why journos are so consistently out-of-step with the broader consumer base.

>>13678332

I think it's because they never had interest in the medium to begin with. It's true that anybody who loves games who is then paid to play them as a job will eventually come to hate them - intrinsic motivation is always replaced by extrinsic motivation and this effect has been used in reprogramming and cult brainwashing for ages. In the case of the journos, they don't even have a lingering shell of fascination with video games. They're just "some loser nerd shit" that they're forced to pretend to play because they don't want to be on those food stamps that they're so in favor of.

I wish more games had co-op. Singleplayer games could still be made but just tack on a simple co-op mode like Dead Rising has and they'd technically be multiplayer. Everyone would be happy.

Too many games focus solely on pvp, co-op gets sidelined way too much.

>>13678396

I agree, but you have to think like jew: it's harder to sell microtransactions to carebears. You need to pit people against each other, fuck with balance so everybody always feels disadvantaged, and then offer things for REALLY CHEAP! ON SALE! that boost the players.

Then your game prints money, and printing money is the only thing that's required for a game to be "good".

>>13678407

But anon, hardly any games except for shit tier mmos have microtransactions that actually affect gameplay. It's mostly just cosmetic shit, which you could sell just as easily in a game centered around co-op.

Wolfinstein 2 will reinvent the wheel.

>>13678829

In a game like Dead Rising?

Cosmetics sell because young children want to show off how flashy they are. Who's going to spend money to show off to a single person?

>>13676232

>uwaaaaaawaaawaaaa

I'm just sayin you're autistic, man.

If AAA singleplayer is dying, why not just dial the budgets back and create more AA games with a cheaper retail price to lower the bar of entry for new customers - while using quality and creativity to fill the gap left in marketing after stripping out the multimillion dollar ad campaigns?

>>13679809

cause jews

>>13675649

I think that Faster Than Light deserves a mention too.

Mario Odessey is one of the biggest games of the year and is a single player game released today

>>13675378

>>13675649

Divinity OS 1 and 2, shovel Knight, Hat in time, Chivalry

>>13680726

Freedom Planet

>>13670102

There's a typo in this one too, you dumb fuck.

>>13678332

Basically they don't like having to work in games for a reward, because playing it is already work for them.

>>13670087

oh come on.

>“ As Loftis said, it’s highly unlikely that exclusively single-player games cease to exist, though we could see fewer of them due to the realities of doing business.”

What idiots. They're assuming single player games are more expensive than multi-player one. To play in a multi-player you need to have an additional layer which is the internet, making it more expensive. They only want to push this shit for their DRMs/always online shit.

>>13670090

their eyes look dead.

>>13678829

There was a patent granted to Activision/Blizzard recently for matchmaking and gameplay mechanics that deliberately match you with people who have recently bought items you've looked at or better versions of the type of weapon/equipment you use. It would also put you into matches you're more likely to win after you buy weapons, including putting you against bots instead of actual people without telling you. It was filed by their R&D department and they say it's not actually in use in any of their games, but I doubt they're just going to sit on those mechanics. It might not be a thing yet, but you can bet your bottom dollar it will be in the near future.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PA The patent itself, if you want to have a read.

>>13679809

I'm pretty sure profitability is just a nice bonus at this point.

>>13673215

>It objectifies women.

Hardly. Objects can actually be useful.

>>13674886

That's hardly a fair comparison, tf2 is f2p.