/u/ - Yuri★

Maria-ism

or Pagan Japanese Gods.

>>22998 (OP)

Any religion that venerates the blessed Virgin Mary and prays for her intercession (namely Catholics, Orthodox, and Shiites) is welcome in this board.

On the flip side, the Talmud calls Mary a whore, so no Jews allowed.

Proof that the happy merchants are unclean:

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/872661171576467456

https://exhentai.org/g/1069998/972d250ae1/

>>23122

Isn't that the anti-Trump seizure kike? That's some pretty kinky shit he's into, especially considering his profession.

>Eichenwald had been employed by The New York Times since 1986 and primarily covered Wall Street and corporate topics such as insider trading, accounting scandals, and takeovers, but also wrote about a range of issues including terrorism, the Bill Clinton pardon controversy, Federal health care policy, and sexual predators on the Internet.

>In 2005, he wrote a group of New York Times articles about online child pornography. One of those articles was about Justin Berry, a then-18 year old who operated pornographic websites featuring himself and other teen males.[6][7] For this reporting, he received the Payne Award for Ethics in Journalism, for "preserving the editorial integrity of an important story while reaching out to assist his source, Justin Berry, in reporting on Berry’s involvement in child pornography."[8] He was also later criticized when it came to light that he had given Berry an undisclosed $2,000 before writing the articles.

>>23122

>>23123

Some needs to send him these

>>23127

>>23128

>>23129

Just make a page about Kurt Buchenwald on ED, then add one of them full-size on the very top. So when Kurt visits for damage control, it will be the very first thing he sees.

>>23058

Loathsome critters.

>>23122

>clean up PC

>forget to import essential cookies

>click link

>my old nemesis! we meet again…

>>24248

4/u/ maybe with their endless pointless shipping shit threads but here you see we have a nazi yuri thread. Yeah, we're not like that.

>>24248

8/u/ is more or less what 4/u/ would have been if it didn't turn into a dyke and tumblrina board.

>>24258

>>24260

Technically, neither are relevant to 8/u/ since they're both 3D. But I do like a bit of jest and light-heartedness on this board like that shitposting thread. So as long as we don't take things seriously, we should allow both.

>>24258

>3DPDS are a lot closer to ontopic than nazis

>>>/oven/

>>24309

>Just want more users on the board even if that means we get less lulz out of dynasty and 4/u/.

Heresy. She who controls the lulz controls the entire fandom. The lulz must flow.

>>24340

All weeabootry started from imageboards though.

It's our patriotic duty to keep communists out of our clay by any mean necessary.

>>24337

>swami

>she

>>24257

You think Yuri stays pure and in the 2D world, then you visit anime club and see dykes and only fucking dykes. I'm not sure if this is just me, but 3DPD dykes are spreading like a plague and idealized lesbian content like this is contributing to it

Is the /k/ube an acceptable religion?

>>24554

I'd say so. In these times a girl should learn how to fight.

>>24248

You may not have lurked or posted here long enough to realize that 8/u/ strove to be as far as anti-tumblr as you can go from the very beginning. As >>24252 said, 8/u/ is basically what y/u/ri would have been if tumblr never infected it, let alone the wayward dykes that want to turn boards like this into a LGBT board with an emphasis on the L.

>>23019

It is a commonly hold misconception that Maria-ism has to do with the Virgin Mary from catholicism or christianity as a whole. This is demonstrably untrue. Maria-ism is far closer to a cult of romantic love, pure love in this case because practitioners are themselves participants in y/u/ri or admirers. Thus Maria-ism in its organic form of worship centers around y/u/ri, venerates pure love (y/u/ri), and Maria is an enigmatic symbolic name or gesture.

This brings to mind Marimite which in this case plays a bigger role than what one could assume by "Maria" alone. For Marimite is seen as the model and example that yuri takes after or rather, what yuri owes the most to. But yuri is not limited to one example or model and thus Maria is again a symbol or name to signify an enigmatic figure that encompasses the genre, and a figure that stays in the background. Maria watches over us is both a warning and a comfort for what is simultaneously forbidden love and pure love.

>>24554

>>24555

vid somewhat relevant

>>24719

Pieta was experiential towards the end. I wonder what else we could add to that list.

>>24444

>Idealized Lesbian Content is causing this plauge of 3DPD Dykes.

>Not Gender Studies, Kikes, The cancer known as the LGBT "Community", and the general rot of society at large.

Also doesn't help that Tumblr is a breeding ground for genuinely insane retards.

>>24721

No, I mean reading material to better understand what makes yuri yuri and more than just cartoon lesbians. Stuff from the likes of Evola, Guenon, Schuon, and Seraphim Rose that specifically covers courtship and traditional femininity. That way, we could provide an alternative academic viewpoint to those Western gender studies feminists who just cram yuri into their postmodernist ideology.

>>24718

>/u/ meets the the murder/k/ube

>>24719

It looks more like you're trying to force the christian angle into it just because one of the most influential yuri series happened to use a catholic school as a backdrop first and a setting second - that's how inconsequential the catholic school was. I don't see how you can call an internet cult cringey when you're trying to force a religion's influence into this, and one that is supposed to against homosexuality by default. Moreso you want to insert an esoteric angle but from your christian angle. That's not only unfair but almost downright hypocritical. It's almost the same mentality as when tumblr tries to make their reading lists based off of pretense, bastardizing yuri from the LGBTWTFBBQP+ angle when japanese artists making yuri series' couldn't care less about LGBT anything and just want to see cute girls doing cute things to each other.

To top it all off, Maria-ism isn't an "internet cult" but a meme cult. If I have to explain that it would be like explaining a meme ala KYM. The farther you move away from cute girls doing cute things to each other, the closer you get to tumblr and pretense. And hypocrisy.

>>24724

>No, I mean reading material to better understand what makes yuri yuri and more than just cartoon lesbians

And you just proved my point. The reason why Maria-ism works and yours doesn't is because it's enigmatically about yuri and yours is bastardizing reading material into how you want to force it into the context about cute girls doing cute things to each other. When /bane/ explains why bane-posting has depth do they actually explain it or do they just meme it? If you don't automatically comprehend that, you need to go back to lurking.

>That way, we could provide an alternative academic viewpoint to those Western gender studies feminists who just cram yuri into their postmodernist ideology.

You don't need to prove them wrong. They're already wrong. They epitomize anti-beauty. Again, do you seriously think japanese artists care what western gender studies feminists think? If they had to, that would mean less time drawing and less time thinking about cute girls doing cute things to each other.

>>25011

Catholic all-girls schools that were introduced during the Meiji and Taisho periods inspired Class S in the first place. Marimite merely paid homage to this. And tip your fedora all you want about Christianity, but it's certainly superior to your Reddit-tier "meme cult" bullshit since it's actually rooted in perennial Tradition. I recommend reading pic related so that you'll realize that trying to larp as a nu-religion even as a joke will lead to degeneracy very rapidly. The current PRAISE KEK Kekistan autism is a salient example of this.

>>25012

Well answered.

>>25029

>Catholic all-girls schools that were introduced during the Meiji and Taisho periods inspired Class S in the first place. Marimite merely paid homage to this.

Oyuki Konno never attended a school like that herself. The only reason why the school in Marimite was catholic is incidental. She went to a christian kindergarten. Why would she pay homage to something she never went to and was only interested in for the sake of a story? The Lillian Girls' Academy is a composite of every school with a hefty amount of fictional elements - because it is fiction. The most important factor in this is that she went to an all-girls high school of which all-girl and all-boy high schools are common in Japan. The point I'm getting at is that you don't know what you're talking about. You would know all of this if you read the novels and researched the author like an honest person would do if they wanted to discuss a material and say what it stands for. If I didn't mention this you would probably end up claiming that the sœur system was always part of catholic all-girl school systems or even christianity.

Also, does every story that uses a particular setting automatically paying homage to that setting? No. Because it doesn't work that way. Marimite isn't paying homage to those schools in the same way that Dragonball isn't paying homage to Journey to the West. You wouldn't read Journey to the West to get better insight into Dragonball the same way you wouldn't read the books you're namedropping to better understand Marimite or Yuri. Just because an author is exposed to something and uses that something as a minor or major influence doesn't mean that you can glean insight into that influence itself, and vice-versa.

I can't help but point out that you can't be bothered to explain how christianity is somehow compatible with yuri while christianity is by default against homosexuality. It's like you refuse to answer that.

>And tip your fedora all you want about Christianity,

Since when does going against something extra-tangentially related to Christianity such as someone claiming that a genre of manga is inherently christian, make you a fedora?

>but it's certainly superior to your Reddit-tier "meme cult" bullshit

You're seriously claiming your stance is superior in this when you demonstrated you can't even understand a basic thing about memes? I'd be curious to see how you would react to a /bane/ thread.

>since it's actually rooted in perennial Tradition.

Homosexual relations between women as depicted by japanese artists who couldn't care less is rooted in "perennial" (capital T)radition. Got it.

>I recommend reading pic related so that you'll realize that trying to larp as a nu-religion even as a joke will lead to degeneracy very rapidly.

You're seriously bringing the degeneracy thing into this? Where did you even come from? Do you even read or watch yuri?

>The current PRAISE KEK Kekistan autism is a salient example of this.

Did you get lost from /christian/ or something? Within the four sentences you made you went further and further away from the point of this board and the genre of media it's about which is analogous to how far removed your stance on this is in regards to yuri.

Protip: if you have to namedrop a book to make your case it's because you want the person to take your word that the book makes the case for you because you yourself can't.

>>25122

>Oyuki Konno never attended a school like that herself.

Oyuki Konno didn't invent Class S, she paid homage to it through Marimite. Class S was around for almost 100 years by that point.

>I can't help but point out that you can't be bothered to explain how christianity is somehow compatible with yuri while christianity is by default against homosexuality. It's like you refuse to answer that.

Yuri has nothing to do with 3D faggotry, as >>25124 stated. Why do you keep bringing this up? Don't tell me you're just using yuri to validate your own psychological issues like those Dynasty degenerates.

>Since when does going against something extra-tangentially related to Christianity such as someone claiming that a genre of manga is inherently christian, make you a fedora?

Gee, when you cooked up some bullshit about Maria belonging to some meme cult instead of being Maria Theotokos, perhaps?

>You're seriously claiming your stance is superior in this when you demonstrated you can't even understand a basic thing about memes? I'd be curious to see how you would react to a /bane/ thread.

This isn't /bane/, in case you haven't noticed. Perhaps you should go back there like the rest of you hotheads.

>Homosexual relations between women as depicted by japanese artists who couldn't care less is rooted in "perennial" (capital T)radition. Got it.

All non-modernist forms of art are descended from the expressions of primordial man. Bouguereau was not an esoterist, yet his works convey the sense of the sacred quite well. Why not yuri?

>You're seriously bringing the degeneracy thing into this? Where did you even come from? Do you even read or watch yuri?

There's a reason why yuri is called the purest form of love. Maybe you should tell us where you come us, since you sound like you don't even know the raison d'être of 8/u/ and assume that this is just another LGBT-themed board.

>Protip: if you have to namedrop a book to make your case it's because you want the person to take your word that the book makes the case for you because you yourself can't.

t. an illiterate

>>25127

>deus vulting smug lesbian kebab removal

HAS FORBIDDEN LOVE GONE TOO FAR?!

>>25166

Not far enough.

>>25166

>>25217

FUCK

NO

MORE

>>25124

>You do realize that White Christian countries where the only places in the earth were lesbianism was allowed to flourish, no?

>Also the Crusades were against islam and islam is against lesbianism.

So let me get this straight: Even though both of those sides were against lesbianism, aka homosexuality in women, because the crusades happened, beating a side that also is against homosexuality (which includes lesbianism) that means christianity isn't against homosexuality in women, aka lesbianism? Flawless reasoning/10 - I can't help but point out you're so desperate to defend christianity's relevance in this that you need to bring up the crusades. If Deus Vult meant Maria Watches Over You we might have a common ground.

>Also please don't conflate 2D lesbianism with disgusting homosexuality.

But as long as you conflate the two, it's fine? It's still funny how you're framing the crusades as a war to save lesbianism, which is apparently not the same thing as homosexuality in its own way.

In your own example of lesbianism, aka homosexuality in women, being okay in white "christian" countries, aka what's 3D, is okay and relevant to 2D, because you're somehow exempt from this rule? You want to have it both ways. That might work with some people, anon. I can tell you have experience trying to manipulate people.

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>>25127

>Oyuki Konno didn't invent Class S, she paid homage to it through Marimite. Class S was around for almost 100 years by that point.

So first it was; she was paying homage to catholic schools and therefore Marimite is christian and by extension yuri. Now it's Marimite was paying homage to Class S, and I assume the rest of your claim stands the same. Can your goal post move be any more invalidated and desperate? You just admitted that your original justification was untrue and that was the basis of your argument and you expect this change to be taken seriously?

>Yuri has nothing to do with 3D faggotry, as >>25124 stated. Why do you keep bringing this up? Don't tell me you're just using yuri to validate your own psychological issues like those Dynasty degenerates.

So if we're eliminating 3D faggotry, we're also eliminating Christianity, got it. I can agree with this. 2D is only relevant to 2D. Christianity is a 3DPD religion, it has no relevance to what happens in 2D. Let's hold you and that other guy who keeps backing you up to that promise.

>Gee, when you cooked up some bullshit about Maria belonging to some meme cult instead of being Maria Theotokos, perhaps?

You're still thinking of Maria as some Christian object. Do you have trouble reading things in a symbolic sense, a metaphorical sense, figurative language?

>This isn't /bane/, in case you haven't noticed.

You clearly haven't noticed that /bane/ is relevant because (it's always relevant) it serves as the perfect example of a meme cult. Meme cults are distinct to imageboard culture -which is wholly relevant to this- usually centering around very popular memes and characters. Your original proposition holds less and less relevance the more you try to dispute what is the makings of both a meme and the cult that organically grows around it because it goes against how things work around here - imageboards.

>Perhaps you should go back there like the rest of you hotheads.

Your improper usage of meme-speak further reveals your alien origin.

>Bouguereau was not an esoterist, yet his works convey the sense of the sacred quite well. Why not yuri?

Because that would be a subjectivist point of view, i.e. the practice and belief that the viewer's interpretation overrides the subject and the artist's intention. If you read into something and glean meaning that isn't in the subject nor in the artist's intention, that's subjectivism and that's how tumblr gains their justification for yuri being an arm of the LGBTWTFBBQPedosexual abomination. Just because you believe that the artist's creations can be used as an excellent example of something, that doesn't mean that it truly is an example of that something. In other words, using an artistic work as an example it was not meant to represent is a form of dishonesty.

>There's a reason why yuri is called the purest form of love. Maybe you should tell us where you come us, since you sound like you don't even know the raison d'être of 8/u/ and assume that this is just another LGBT-themed board.

Actually on the contrary I'm pointing out the hypocrisy you and that other anon held that somehow yuri's attachment to christianity is not in the same manner as tumblr attaching yuri to LGBT issues. But you and that other anon want it to have it both ways, want to over-emphasize an influential yuri work's use of christian motifs as a bond to christianity, use lofty and pretentiousness to justify that but then close off all other 3D examples - even when those examples invalidate yours. You've needed to go as far as being even pretentious then claiming that you understand 8/u/ and are in line with it and by extension that you speak for it. Allow me to further demonstrate how you have very-to-nonexistent attachment to what it means to know y/u/ri.

https://archive.loveisover.me/u/thread/1574478/#1576217

The meme of Maria-sama goes back further than this archive is capable of showing but here is an example of its usage. Luckily this example predates the exodus. The meme of Maria-sama is a meme of reference to Marimite and what the characters do. Genre-defining works are typically referenced by people who are keenly interested in the genre itself, quoting lines and referencing scenes. The only actual homage in this discussion is in regards to this meme which pays homage to Marimite. There is no relevance to what Maria would actually represent in 3D, because it really is not relevant unless you can only process things literally, which last time I checked is a sign of a mental impairment.

>>25316

>unironically posting shit from cuck/u/

You just outed yourself as a newfag. How about you lurk moar and acculturate into 8/u/ instead of making a fool of yourself and getting dogpiled in the process?

>So first it was; she was paying homage to catholic schools and therefore Marimite is christian and by extension yuri. Now it's Marimite was paying homage to Class S, and I assume the rest of your claim stands the same. Can your goal post move be any more invalidated and desperate?

Catholic Church -→ Catholic girls' schools in Japan -→ Class S -→ Both yuri and inspiration for Marimite's setting

It's not a difficult train of thought, come on.

>Christianity is a 3DPD religion

Wrong. All traditional religions are 2D in a way since they transcend the material world and exist in sacred time and space. There's a reason why icons or sculptures are heavily used in Buddhism, Catholicism, Shi'ism, etc.

>You're still thinking of Maria as some Christian object.

Maybe because she is a Christian object? Or rather, the Mother of God?

>You clearly haven't noticed that /bane/ is relevant because (it's always relevant) it serves as the perfect example of a meme cult.

Baneposting is not a meme cult because you can banepost for fun without pretending that it's your spiritual viewpoint. Kekism, on the other hand, is a perfect example of meme cult, especially how it's now a complete shitshow with Carl of Swindon and all those r/T_D redditors flocking in.

>Your improper usage of meme-speak further reveals your alien origin.

Your butthurt further reveals you as a potential /cow/ in desperate need of milking.

>Because that would be a subjectivist point of view, i.e. the practice and belief that the viewer's interpretation overrides the subject and the artist's intention. If you read into something and glean meaning that isn't in the subject nor in the artist's intention, that's subjectivism and that's how tumblr gains their justification for yuri being an arm of the LGBTWTFBBQPedosexual abomination.

That's why I justified my argument through perennialism, not subjectivism. Every non-modernist artist from Bouguereau to ShindoL is connected to Tradition via a chain of transmission of theory and technique passed down from master to acolyte.

>Actually on the contrary I'm pointing out the hypocrisy you and that other anon held that somehow yuri's attachment to christianity is not in the same manner as tumblr attaching yuri to LGBT issues.

Except yuri does have its roots in Catholic Christianity as I've demonstrated, as opposed to (((Hirschfeldian))) LGBT. That's why I advocate exploring Catholic theology (as well as that of Shinto-Buddhism) to better appreciate the inner beauty of yuri. Trying to create meme cult will not help you on that.

>>25315

>>25315

> Even though both of those sides were against lesbianism, aka homosexuality in women, because the crusades happened, beating a side that also is against homosexuality (which includes lesbianism) that means christianity isn't against homosexuality in women, aka lesbianism?

Yes, especially since White Christian were among the few historical societies that tolerated homosexuals, instead of throwing them off cliffs, and even admired sapphoism.

>If Deus Vult meant Maria Watches Over You we might have a common ground.

It does. It's a synonym for "remove kebab".

> It's still funny how you're framing the crusades as a war to save lesbianism, which is apparently not the same thing as homosexuality in its own way.

You are getting pedantic. The Crusades were to protect Maria's purity, butchdykes and faggots were just indirectly protected by kebab removal.

>In your own example of lesbianism, aka homosexuality in women, being okay in white "christian" countries, aka what's 3D, is okay and relevant to 2D

Even if they tolerated fags to live, the Church condemned the act of 3DPD homosexuality as a sin and encourage them to repent from their vile 3D ways, they did not censor Renaissance purity like those smelly brown sandslime iconoclast untermensch did.

>>25333

What does that have to do with anything?

>this whole thread

>>25336

YOU would know, fucking spiclet.

>>25325

>>unironically posting shit from cuck/u/

>You just outed yourself as a newfag.

The archive is clearly before the exodus, from a time where we' (or probably not you) were last there. Thus you would know about Maria-posting and how it is integral to /u/'s board identity if you were truly a real y/u/riphile.

>How about you lurk moar and acculturate into 8/u/ instead of making a fool of yourself and getting dogpiled in the process?

I can't help but notice that you need to point that out as if that means anything. Were you hoping that would discourage me?

>It's not a difficult train of thought, come on.

That's hilarious coming from you. In reality, yours has been a testament to circular reasoning:

2D Lesbians -> Christian entertainment and pretentious "esotericism" -> Contradictory information -> Repeat

It would only be amusing and not pathetic if this was actually a meme and not your attempt to subvert this board. I'd even be memeing it ironically.

>Wrong. All traditional religions are 2D in a way since they transcend the material world and exist in sacred time and space. There's a reason why icons or sculptures are heavily used in Buddhism, Catholicism, Shi'ism, etc.

So you basically do want to have it both ways. You're exploiting the inherited view of /a/ that 3D is not allowed (which "3D is not allowed" is understanable), but only to dismiss all information that is contradictory to your belief. Thus despite homosexuality not being allowed in Catholicism/Christianity, Yuri is somehow an exception to that.

>Maybe because she is a Christian object? Or rather, the Mother of God?

Still can't accept the fact that the Maria statue is a background object and have to take it literally? Nowhere in Oyuki Konno's writing did she mention that the religious aspect was important. It's pure flavor. It's completely in line with how mangaka craft their stories, extracting influences and synthesizing them into something ultimately irrelevant from either influence.

>Baneposting is not a meme cult because you can banepost for fun without pretending that it's your spiritual viewpoint. Kekism, on the other hand, is a perfect example of meme cult, especially how it's now a complete shitshow with Carl of Swindon and all those r/T_D redditors flocking in.

Again, the doublethink in your reasoning. On one hand you grasp how a meme cult does not have to have any spiritual aspect but on the other hand you insist it does and try to separate the two. Both baneposting and kek worship are meme cults. Some people take them seriously, some don't. I guess it's difficult for a staunch christian like you to understand that. When baneposting "crashed" a plane in real life, was that because people were literally partaking in worship? I'd be amused to learn your explanation.

>Your butthurt further reveals you as a potential /cow/ in desperate need of milking.

Believe it or not I enjoy a good debate and so if you want to know milking, I'm seeing how much I can get out of you.

>That's why I justified my argument through perennialism, not subjectivism.

Your "justification" was a case example of subjectivism, on top of being pretentious.

>Every non-modernist artist from Bouguereau to ShindoL is connected to Tradition via a chain of transmission of theory and technique passed down from master to acolyte.

Generalized and lofty statements might get you an A by today's college class standards but actually believing the drivel you spiel is a sign of delusion. Generally speaking people do learn from a more experienced person. Did you really need to frame it in such a lofty way? I'm not sure you realize how pretentious you sound especially when every justification you've brought is invalidated on its own merits, within its own sentences. Send Shindol an email and ask how if he's aware of his connection to (capital T)radition via the "transmission of theory and technique" and see if it matters to him. Protip: Don't be misled if he gives you a polite answer and you take it as a sign of confirmation via confirmation bias. He's just a polite guy and eager to please.

>Except yuri does have its roots in Catholic Christianity as I've demonstrated, as opposed to (((Hirschfeldian))) LGBT.

The only thing you demonstrated is that you want to subvert y/u/ri board culture.

>That's why I advocate exploring Catholic theology to better appreciate the inner beauty of yuri. Trying to create meme cult will not help you on that.

So if I go to /christian/ or some unrelated christian/catholic messageboard and ask how Catholic theology can help me better understand Strawberry Panic, Maria Holic, and even Miyuki-chan in Wonderland, they would automatically know how to help me out?

>(as well as that of Shinto-Buddhism)

I can tell that's a concession you're making just to fit in.

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>>25329

>Yes, especially since White Christian were among the few historical societies that tolerated homosexuals, instead of throwing them off cliffs,

You're seriously suggesting that during the time leading up to and during the crusades was a time that the then christian countries tolerated homosexuals? How do you explain certain christian emprerors giving the death penalty for homosexual acts? The delusion and desperation has reached a new height with you that you need to reinvent history.

>and even admired sapphoism.

Did you mean: sapphism

I'll have to deny you the mistake of listing the Greek poet Sappho as a christian.

>It does. It's a synonym for "remove kebab".

You're not even trying at this point.

>You are getting pedantic.

I take that as a compliment. When you discontinue your intentional dishonesty and attempt to subvert y/u/ri board culture, you will no longer be called out for it.

>The Crusades were to protect Maria's purity, butchdykes and faggots were just indirectly protected by kebab removal.

I repeat, you're not even trying at this point.

>Even if they tolerated fags to live, the Church condemned the act of 3DPD homosexuality as a sin and encourage them to repent from their vile 3D ways,

Let's not be dishonest here. From St. Paul all the way to Thomas Aquinas the bible was always used as a basis for justifying condemnation and punishment against homosexuality. The punishment for homosexuality varied including penalties similar to a 3 strike policy. The final strike was always death, all throughout the time leading up to the crusades, during the crusades and certainly afterward.

>they did not censor Renaissance purity like those smelly brown sandslime iconoclast untermensch did.

Laughably untrue and dishonest. The church's attempts at censoring art are famous, especially during the renaissance period. Works involving nudity at the very least were grounds for destruction. To give you a few major examples, Michelangelo's Last Judgement was painted over to reduce the amount of nudity on the Sistine Chapel. The Council of Trent (1546-1563), Session 25, "all lasciviousness be avoided; in such wise that figures shall not be painted or adorned with a beauty exciting to lust." In other words, no nudity in artwork. I'm eager to see your mental gymnastics on this one.

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>>25391

>The archive is clearly before the exodus, from a time where we' (or probably not you) were last there. Thus you would know about Maria-posting and how it is integral to /u/'s board identity if you were truly a real y/u/riphile.

2014 was when Frozen, Korra, and Steven Universe threads were already long-running threads on /u/. Tumblr infested the board before the exodus occurred. I know because I've been a /u/shitter for much longer and seen the degeneration firsthand. Stop pretending you know shit, newfag.

>I can't help but notice that you need to point that out as if that means anything. Were you hoping that would discourage me?

I was hoping that you would stop being an obnoxious fool.

>That's hilarious coming from you. In reality, yours has been a testament to circular reasoning:

>2D Lesbians -> Christian entertainment and pretentious "esotericism" -> Contradictory information -> Repeat

>It would only be amusing and not pathetic if this was actually a meme and not your attempt to subvert this board. I'd even be memeing it ironically.

What I just described was the actual history of genre. I can't help you if you're too self-absorbed or thick-skulled to comprehend it.

>So you basically do want to have it both ways. You're exploiting the inherited view of /a/ that 3D is not allowed (which "3D is not allowed" is understanable), but only to dismiss all information that is contradictory to your belief. Thus despite homosexuality not being allowed in Catholicism/Christianity, Yuri is somehow an exception to that.

Again, you keep bringing up that "muh 6 gorillion faggots gassed by teh ebil christians" argument. Christian theology is much more than this.

>Still can't accept the fact that the Maria statue is a background object and have to take it literally? Nowhere in Oyuki Konno's writing did she mention that the religious aspect was important. It's pure flavor. It's completely in line with how mangaka craft their stories, extracting influences and synthesizing them into something ultimately irrelevant from either influence.

>Oyuki Konno single-handedly invented yuri and not just worked from pre-existing influences in the genre

Get a load of this goy.

>Again, the doublethink in your reasoning. On one hand you grasp how a meme cult does not have to have any spiritual aspect but on the other hand you insist it does and try to separate the two. Both baneposting and kek worship are meme cults. Some people take them seriously, some don't. I guess it's difficult for a staunch christian like you to understand that. When baneposting "crashed" a plane in real life, was that because people were literally partaking in worship? I'd be amused to learn your explanation.

Baneposting -→ Fun thing that stays fun because most banelets don't treat it as a meme cult

Kekism -→ Fun thing that degenerated into a shitshow when Redditors and /ptg/ started treating it as a meme cult

"Maria-ism" -→ Potentially fun thing that can go down the path of Kekism the moment it is treated as a meme cult

>Believe it or not I enjoy a good debate and so if you want to know milking, I'm seeing how much I can get out of you.

You have the ego to claim you're not the lolcow in all this. The irony.

>Generalized and lofty statements might get you an A by today's college class standards but actually believing the drivel you spiel is a sign of delusion. Generally speaking people do learn from a more experienced person. Did you really need to frame it in such a lofty way?

"Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turning upon you, they tear you." (Matthew 7:6)

>Send Shindol an email and ask how if he's aware of his connection to (capital T)radition via the "transmission of theory and technique" and see if it matters to him. Protip: Don't be misled if he gives you a polite answer and you take it as a sign of confirmation via confirmation bias. He's just a polite guy and eager to please.

There's no need to drag ShindoL into your autism.

>The only thing you demonstrated is that you want to subvert y/u/ri board culture.

But somehow "Maria-ism" isn't subverting /u/ in any way.

>So if I go to /christian/ or some unrelated christian/catholic messageboard and ask how Catholic theology can help me better understand Strawberry Panic, Maria Holic, and even Miyuki-chan in Wonderland, they would automatically know how to help me out?

Go right ahead if you don't want to do the reading. Can't guarantee that you won't be derailed by Burptist trolls.

>I can tell that's a concession you're making just to fit in.

No need to get salty, m80.

>>25398

>2014 was when Frozen, Korra, and Steven Universe threads were already long-running threads on /u/. Tumblr infested the board before the exodus occurred. I know because I've been a /u/shitter for much longer and seen the degeneration firsthand. Stop pretending you know shit, newfag.

>because tumblr and flavor of the month things were shitting up the board that means that the example of maria-posting is invalid

I would say stop pretending you know shit as well, if you actually knew shit to begin with. You can't legitimately dispute my example so you won't try.

>I was hoping that you would stop being an obnoxious fool.

Using dogpiling as a point reeks of a need to appeal to (perceived) popularity, in other words to pretend that you're in the right but not that you actually are right.

>What I just described was the actual history of genre. I can't help you if you're too self-absorbed or thick-skulled to comprehend it.

Laughable. Your circular reasoning does not qualify as a history of the genre, especially because you are now taking a step back and insisting that the catholic church was the inception of yuri.

>Again, you keep bringing up that "muh 6 gorillion faggots gassed by teh ebil christians" argument. Christian theology is much more than this.

The point you wish to sidestep is that christianity and catholicism does not tolerate homosexuality and you keep wishing to insist that not only does it but that somehow anyone here who enjoys y/u/ri can better understand this genre if they read your namedropped literature.

>Get a load of this goy.

>goy

Not even trying anymore, are you chaim? I'll count that as another point you conceded on.

>Baneposting -→ Fun thing that stays fun because most banelets don't treat it as a meme cult

>banelets

You mean big guys. Actually you didn't mean that because you're not initiated.

>"Maria-ism" -→ Potentially fun thing that can go down the path of Kekism the moment it is treated as a meme cult

It can if reddit gets a hold of it. No argument there. Everything reddit touches turns to cancer. The only salvation for kek worshipers is much like how they saved pepe, to maintain their form of practice/memeing and let it survive in its pure form in their hands. Maybe as a christian you might understand, it mirroring how other denominations began.

>There's no need to drag ShindoL into your autism.

You were the one who brought Shindol up. I was also calling your bluff by suggesting a way for you to put your drivel to the test.

>But somehow "Maria-ism" isn't subverting /u/ in any way.

Maria-ism goes back many years into the history of /u/ as a very simple meme based around referencing marimite, so by default it isn't. If you wish to challenge that you most certainly can try. You'll only end up further revealing that you don't belong here.

>Go right ahead if you don't want to do the reading. Can't guarantee that you won't be derailed by Burptist trolls.

I'll probably take you up on that. I look forward to seeing you post there and pretend you're among them as a means of defending your point on your home turf.

>No need to get salty, m80.

If you can't challenge my point then you admit it's true. Yet another point conceded by you.

>>25404

>Why not both? The Virgin Mary is venerated as the archetype of purity and the sacred feminine by millions of Catholics, Orthodox, and Shiites. Surely we can venerate Mary Theotokos as the patron saint of yuri, can't we?

This is going to singlehandedly and further invalidate your point, aside from christianity and its relation to anything homosexually related being invalid just by that alone. The reason why the Virgin Mary cannot be the patron saint of yuri is simply because Mary herself (the character and historical figure) is not a lesbian, does not partake in cute girls doing cute things. Your basis of reasoning is an oversimplification and false equivalence which I will put side-by-side to show:

>The Virgin Mary is venerated as the archetype of purity and the sacred feminine by millions of Catholics, Orthodox, and Shiites. Surely we can venerate Mary Theotokos as the patron saint of yuri, can't we?

<Because the Virgin Mary is a symbol of purity and sacred femininity that means she can be a patron saint of yuri

The Virgin Mary if judged as a y/u/ri character would have a horrible track record. She's a wife to a patriarch (the father/God), the mother to the patriarch/son (the father/God/Jesus), and her perpetual virginity is disputed by many different texts and even within the catholic church until they decided to make it a doctrine and say she was always a virgin so no one can question it. This also brings the point to the fact that her purity is hinged on her virginity and not because she engaged in pure love with another woman - two differently defined modes of purity. Hence, the false equivalence.If say, the Virgin Mary was venerated for being an anime girl lesbian that had magic science babies with a prospective best girl of the series, that would easily validate her candidacy as a patron saint of yuri. None of that applies to the Virgin Mary. She is easily dismiss-able as a candidate as a patron saint.

> Perhaps this organic worship has its roots in, say, Catholic and patristic teachings. After all, all traditional religions are descended from a single primordial Tradition of primitive man.

Your logic is akin to:

<Because all things trace themselves back to something, that something is always relevant (even when it's not).

This is again an oversimplification and also a twist on semantics. Relevancy can only be determined by the condition of the proposed relevant entity being involved in the chief entity's shared common goal; e.g. Cute Girl A wishes to buy a cute gift for Cute Girl B, the gift is relevant, the great grandfather of Cute Girl B is irrelevant. The only way this can change is if the author included a plot somehow involving Cute Girl A, the cute gift or Cute Girl B or a combination of either or all three. Without that, speculating on the importance of Cute Girl B's great grandfather is not only a waste of time, but an exercise in irrelevancy; e.g. claiming that because Cute Girl B must have had a Great Grandfather to exist and thus he is important is willfully ignorant or delusional towards the fact that the author did not include him and thus he is not important to the story.

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>>25404

>Why not both? The Virgin Mary is venerated as the archetype of purity and the sacred feminine by millions of Catholics, Orthodox, and Shiites. Surely we can venerate Mary Theotokos as the patron saint of yuri, can't we?

This is going to singlehandedly and further invalidate your point, aside from christianity and its relation to anything homosexually related being invalid just by that alone. The reason why the Virgin Mary cannot be the patron saint of yuri is simply because Mary herself (the character and historical figure) is not a lesbian, does not partake in cute girls doing cute things. Your basis of reasoning is an oversimplification and false equivalence which I will put side-by-side to show:

>The Virgin Mary is venerated as the archetype of purity and the sacred feminine by millions of Catholics, Orthodox, and Shiites. Surely we can venerate Mary Theotokos as the patron saint of yuri, can't we?

<Because the Virgin Mary is a symbol of purity and sacred femininity that means she can be a patron saint of yuri

The Virgin Mary if judged as a y/u/ri character would have a horrible track record. She's a wife to a patriarch (the father/God), the mother to the patriarch/son (the father/God/Jesus), and her perpetual virginity is disputed by many different texts and even within the catholic church until they decided to make it a doctrine and say she was always a virgin so no one can question it. This also brings the point to the fact that her purity is hinged on her virginity and not because she engaged in pure love with another woman - two differently defined modes of purity. Hence, the false equivalence.If say, the Virgin Mary was venerated for being an anime girl lesbian that had magic science babies with a prospective best girl of the series, that would easily validate her candidacy as a patron saint of yuri. None of that applies to the Virgin Mary. She is easily dismiss-able as a candidate as a patron saint.

> Perhaps this organic worship has its roots in, say, Catholic and patristic teachings. After all, all traditional religions are descended from a single primordial Tradition of primitive man.

Your logic is akin to:

<Because all things trace themselves back to something, that something is always relevant (even when it's not).

This is again an oversimplification and also a twist on semantics. Relevancy can only be determined by the condition of the proposed relevant entity being involved in the chief entity's shared common goal; e.g. Cute Girl A wishes to buy a cute gift for Cute Girl B, the gift is relevant, the great grandfather of Cute Girl B is irrelevant. The only way this can change is if the author included a plot somehow involving Cute Girl A, the cute gift or Cute Girl B or a combination of either or all three. Without that, speculating on the importance of Cute Girl B's great grandfather is not only a waste of time, but an exercise in irrelevancy; e.g. claiming that because Cute Girl B must have had a Great Grandfather to exist and thus he is important is willfully ignorant or delusional towards the fact that the author did not include him and thus he is not important to the story.

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Gateway Error 502 seems to have eaten the last part of the thread up to here: >>25256

Test post to see if a post recovers the missing part of the thread.

>>25467

Finally went through.

>>25404

>We should also seek inspiration in works that predate Marimite, like Oniisama e…, Shiroi Heya no Futari, and the Class S novellas of the early 20th century.

Sure. Also aside from those that would be mainly irrelevant to the meme because the meme centers around referencing Marimite.

>I disagree. Since this Maria-figure is undoubtedly the Virgin Mary, she is an active and ever-present figure.

Who she is and what the statue is not only irrelevant to the story but also the meme.

>Therefore, we should openly praise her and pray for her intercession so that the yuri harvests been bountiful and our efforts fruitful.

Amusing. I guess if you feel like praying to her for more yuri that's your prerogative. Although that's not something the church doctors would approve of - something to be willfully ignorant to.

>Also, we should not shy away from proselytism and crusades, for the purest form of love is open to the world.

I can tell you enjoy making definitions and meanings loose so as to fit your attempt to make /u/ an explicitly christian board, despite the fact that homosexuality and christianity cannot coexist.

>It is also a battle cry of those of us who crusade for love, beauty and tradition under the banner of yuri in this godless, materialistic epoch.

It's literally the title of the series of light novels. That exact phrase never appears as a line of dialogue or anything similar to that. We've reached the point that you yourself are making the case that you not only don't know what you're talking about but don't belong here.

>In my opinion, Maria-ism is in need of a genuine spiritual Tradition to flesh it out. Catholicism is the right one for the job, but we should also look into Buddhism, Shinto, and the works of perennialists like Evola, Schuon, and Dugin. Hopefully we can come to a resolution.

Maria-ism is a meme. The furthest it can go is a meme cult and it doesn't even need to go that far. It can stay on the backburner of prospective /u/ memes like magic science babies and reproduction through hand-holding. This thread would have just been about memes if things went right.

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I've avoided this discussion so far because it is hard to discuss something like this without going into 3D/tumblr territory but that point has been passed for a while now so fuck it.

I'm against an "official religion", even as a meme. I hate to shit on other boards like this but let's compare it to /monster/ and their Ammit. A fun concept and a positive message, sure. At the same time it supports a board culutre that will shit on things that are allowed on the board but not within their slim definition of "romance". Concepts and discussions will be shot down for the sole reason of "memes told me to act this way".

If we have a religion, we will need certain rules, definitions and commandments. If the religion exists to celebrate "pure love", what exactly would that mean? I know the term is used for yuri in general but could you really include characters that are openly lesbian in it? Or would it be reserved for "very good friends, that have a small cruch on each other but are still good for marriage"?

Now I say this as an outsider. I've only rarely visited 4/u/, I never liked it's board culture (that whole Oneesama thing) and let's not even speak about all their /co/ shit. Post exodus, I've been avoiding /u/, /a/ and many other boards until recently. So maybe I worry about nothing but this is my opinion on it.

>>25470

Maria-posting and Maria-sama worship was and always has been a joke that /u/ rarely used because /u/ memes are like examining microscopic organisms in comparison to other boards and their memes, and it's not like most people would get the reference because unfortunately a lot of people then - and it would be safe to guess now - had not read Marimite and understood the reference. The meme and the "official religion" aspect began and ended there. To be honest, I'm surprised whenever I see posters even reference the pure love meme including on /a/.

>I hate to shit on other boards like this but let's compare it to /monster/ and their Ammit. A fun concept and a positive message, sure. At the same time it supports a board culutre that will shit on things that are allowed on the board but not within their slim definition of "romance".

So that explains why an offshoot board appeared on the board index the other day.

>If the religion exists to celebrate "pure love", what exactly would that mean? I know the term is used for yuri in general but could you really include characters that are openly lesbian in it?

Incidentally, you said it yourself. All "pure love" ever meant was to self-reference yuri like it was a synonym. I'm not exactly what you mean by could it include characters already openly lesbian because that sounds redundant in regards to yuri.

>Now I say this as an outsider. I've only rarely visited 4/u/, I never liked it's board culture (that whole Oneesama thing) and let's not even speak about all their /co/ shit. Post exodus, I've been avoiding /u/, /a/ and many other boards until recently. So maybe I worry about nothing but this is my opinion on it.

The problem with board culture is that it's both the problem and solution to itself. Board culture arising is inevitable because of the creation of memes, and memes even when understood in its non-internet form behaves exactly like this in real life wherein it gives birth to culture. I think the only point where you will have to worry is when a board and its culture that you enjoy changes or is attacked and you will have to decide whether you're really a part of it or not.

>>25468

>despite the fact that homosexuality and christianity cannot coexist

How about you stop being an autistic fedora and wasting perfectly good hitlerdubs instead?

>>25490

>>25488

While we are on the topic of "called it".

>>25477

>I conceded nothing. You're just being a snob who ran out of arguments.

You resorted to non-sequiturs in place of your chance to challenge my points which demonstrably invalidate your points. You did this in an attempt to drop the challenge against your points altogether. By default, you conceded those points. I won't let you weasel out of it.

>Hate to break this to you, but Tom Hardy is only 5'9'' and relied on platform shoes and camera tricks to look bigger on TDKR. Your ilk are not big guys at all, but banelets.

Again, refusal to acknowledge the expression and an admittance of taking things literally. Big Guy(s) is an expression, as memes are built around those. You are anti-meme. You may need to research this problem of yours as the symptom that it is. Look up “inability to understand figurative language,” and get the help you need.

>>25477

>Saint Isidore of Seville died before the Internet was created, Saint Catherine of Alexandria never stepped foot on the Philippines, and Saint Drogo has probably never tasted coffee in his life. Didn't stop worshippers from adopting them as patron saints of the respective three.

That actually reinforces the fact that patron saints are often irrelevant to their symbolic significance and bolsters the argument made against adopting patron saints. Well done proving my point.

>Mary did not molest little girls, but she never consummated with Joseph, either, so she is spiritually an asexual (not in the tumblr sense of the term) and thus pure of 3DPD passions.

Depending on the canon of texts, she had children with him apart from being cuckolded by God. I can't help but point out you overlooked what would be the strongest indication of yuri which is being in a serious relationship with another woman. Instead, you had to point out she didn't molest little girls. I think you just gave away something awfully freudian. Aside from that you failed to understand the definition of purity in regards to y/u/ri which negated your example altogether.

>That alone is sufficient grounds for adopting Mary as the patron saint of the purest form of love (2D).

All you did was further prove she would be an antithetical "saint" of yuri.

>The perpetual virginity of Mary has been Christian doctrine since the patristic era. Don't just regurgitate whatever you read on the Internet or Professor Shekelberg teaches you in college.

Or the ones that were left out of biblical canon and tossed by the wayside in a process started by the Council of Nicea? I thought you enjoyed esotericism.

>Nope, it's the truth. Something cannot come out of nothing. No amount of sophistry can detract from this

Except your own sophistry? The last few posts you've made has been a case example of semantic games and twists of meaning of which I've pointed out. Moreover, do not use sophistry as a buzzword without explaining why the person you're dealing with is using it. Otherwise, hence the use of it as a buzzword.

>The statue is but a representation of saint who is ever-living and present from above. From the traditionalist standpoint, Mary is not a mere piece of decor but an active force guiding her flock.

Her role in the story is decor. You trying to extrapolate more meaning from it will not change that.

>Yuri did not exist in the time of the Church Fathers. And wouldn't your meme cult involve prayers and invocations, too? I know Baneposting and Kekism did.

Yuri did not exist then and if it did it would be grounds for punishment. Baneposting even by your own admission is done for fun so you would know the answer is that /bane/ prayers would be tongue-in-cheek. Kek worship is sometimes done for fun or by /fringe/-tier posters. Trying to equate the two and comparing it to a hypothetical /u/ meme cult is itself a fallacious act based on false equivalence.

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>>25477

>False. I take the stance of >>23019.

So when someone points out your habit of abusing made up definitions and loosening meanings for your semantic game, you jump back or jump to another "stance." Got it. You're avoiding the part where I called out your mental gymnastics of associating proselytism (which means to convert people to your religion) and the crusades with yuri. The reason why this is important to point out is to show how you're trying to now shirk away from what you did, because you made your intention very clear again. Throughout our back-and-forth debate you've showcased you care very little to not at all what yuri really is and you're real motive is converting others and waving around the spectacle of the crusades as if it had any relevance. In one sentence added as an addendum you gave away your true intentions which I will paste again:

>>Also, we should not shy away from proselytism and crusades, for the purest form of love is open to the world.

It's almost communist in the way you wish to leave open yuri to everyone as long as converting those to your religion is involved +crusades. I'd rest my case but you keep making it for me.

>Whatever injunctions the Church has against 3DPD homosexuals has no bearing on 2D pure love. The Church can zap the balls of a thousand AIDS-infested queers a la Mike Pence the next day and my point will still stand.

Ah, again with the double standard where only your 3D examples matter; e.g. the church and your religion. You want y/u/ri fans to engage in your religious worship even if it's a contradictory form of worship. Face it anon, 8/u/ being about christianity plus cute girl on cute girl love would be a disgrace analogous to feminists defending islam - the prey worshiping the predator.

>Matt Furie didn't create Pepe with the intention of providing a mascot for /pol/, either. Didn't stop them for adopting him. I don't see why 8/u/ can't do something similar.

>If /pol/ can take a symbol or mascot that has nothing to do with them and make it theirs why can't 8/u/ do the same for me

By your own example 8/u/ would be bastardizing something that isn't theirs. Thank you once again for proving my point. It's very telling that your mental gymnastics took you from being called out on your false recollection of where the title namesake is to this. To further prove why this would be wrong - to say the least - you have to look into the history of Pepe, the variant Smug Pepe, and /pol/ making him a mascot is actually just the latest chapter in the war for owning Pepe as an imageboard meme that started when reddit and facebook started stealing 4chan memes years ago, and made Pepe a casualty. Equating that to you wanting to subvert this board by making it y/u/ri+christianity/catholicism +crusades is a clear case example of false equivalence and mental gymnastics.

>Memes can be appropriated for a higher purpose, Pepe being one example.

At least you admit that your goal is to appropriate Maria-ism and Maria-posting and devolve it into a bastardized form of christianity. Again, the prey worshiping the predator.

>And speaking of memes, you seem so intent on trying to separate Maria the meme and the Virgin Mary. Why go through all that trouble just to impose a half-assed sense of secularism?

While you're right on the count of separating Maria and the Virgin Mary, the basis for it is that it's backed by the light novels and the source of the meme. It's not even secularism in the slightest. It's recognizing the fact that the author herself didn't care for the readers to know or understand what the statue represents in real life - again going back to the sake of 2D where the religion only exists in 3D. Otherwise placing religion in the realm of 2D is an admittance that religion is fiction. Do you yourself want to go down that road?

>It's one thing to advocate embracing multiple religions as opposed having just one official religion, but it looks like you want to throw out spirituality completely.

There's no embracing any religion nor embracing atheism. It's about having fun with memes on an imageboard. At least you're starting to get the hint that there's no real spiritual aspect to any of this.

>If inclusiveness is what drives you, then I can assure you that 8/u/ generally dislikes kikes and 3DPD homosexuals anyway, so them coming in and getting offended is not an issue.

If I cared what other people thought in the first place I would have not debated with you. I would gladly debate a kike like I would you. To me it makes no difference.

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>>25488

>How about you stop being an autistic fedora and wasting perfectly good hitlerdubs instead?

I think if you realized you cannot read properly, you'd notice that you used a strawman in place of anything meaningful and impactful. Your post is yet another example of that affects posters who for whatever reason may incidentally criticize christianity, and be subsequently called a fedora. If your post is actually unironic, that is frankly pathetic. Posts like yours are a sign that those labeling christianity critics are not sincere in their intentions because you are disregarding the content of the post you're replying to and trying to relegate it to strawman. To put it simply, not everyone who goes against something that is perceived as christian is a fedora. The sooner you recognize this, the sooner you can accept criticism on behalf of your religion. If you refuse to accept criticism then your intentions for using a strawman become very clear.

^This is my fresh baked and new copypasta response. Please use it well and feel free to use it.

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>>25533

>It's almost communist in the way you wish to leave open yuri to everyone as long as converting those to your religion is involved +crusades.

>implying we shouldn't use communist-style brutality against Marxist scum

>>25559

Doesn't mean I'm actually wrong.

>>25624

>you use yuri as a cheap propaganda tool for your religion

You missed the whole point of this argument.

I don't know what the official religion of /u/ is, but these 2 are cute.

>>32294

I just want more corrupted yuri. Pics somewhat related.

>>32109

Oh.

The religions that feel closest to yuri are of course Christianity and Shinto, because of certain well known works.

On the whole though religious elements are mostly just for flavor and have no deeper meaning.

How about satanist yuri that sounds good.

>>32292

What's the black haired thing?

>>32304

The official religion of /u/ is only fools read this spoiler.

>>32304

>unironically supporting atheism

Looks like someone is in need of a crane lift.

>>32309

>Claims hedonism is better

>Would rather have sex in present life than have peace in eternal life