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>Windows 10 has unironically become good
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>>992639
>most software has usable dark themes now with dark file explorer coming when they fix the october update (don't lie, this is a major reason why a bunch of you use linux)
>everything just werks and is supported without having to nigger rig it together yourself
>powershell is infinitely superior to bash
>linux subsystem for windows is there when you absolutely can't use powershell
>visual studio
>security updates every day
>great support from microsoft
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>>992643
>>everything just werks and is supported without having to nigger rig it together yourself
"Just werx" being better is an unpopular opinion here. Only recently did I realize all the time fiddling with Gentoo/QEMU/esoteric config files was totally wasted, because while it's great to tailor the way your computer works, it throws a wrench into simple things. (An obvious example is having to migrate your esoteric setup over when you change/reinstall your OS.)
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>>992643
>great support from microsoft
<Pajeet: Thank you for your question $name. ctrl+v
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>>992638 (OP)
That's not just unpopular, that's a false statement.
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>>992655
>Gentoo
Why are you expecting stability from rolling release?
>An obvious example is having to migrate your esoteric setup over when you change/reinstall your OS
Found your problem. Stop switching OS and expecting "jurst werkx™"
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>>992655
>having to migrate your esoteric setup over when you change/reinstall your OS
wasn't really an issue before systemd, except on bigger distros like ubuntu
>>992643
>>powershell is infinitely superior to bash
>>linux subsystem for windows is there when you absolutely can't use powershell
<when you absolutely can't use powershell
<infinitely superior
how did you even install the internet?
>>visual studio
<https://code.visualstudio.com/download
how did you even install the internet?
my unpopular opinion... is probably that Stallman sucks. I think his philosophy ultimately destroys community (which strengthens mega corporations). And I think he does this intentionally.
▶ No.992677>>992678 >>992691
Arright gonna bite.
>>992643
>dark theme
Windows supported dark theme since vista. Just look at penumbra 10. Most used dark theme for windows. The theming is definitely the last thing I switched to linux for. (and windows is sometimes still better at it)
>just werks
Ohh please. The years of pain of having to block windows update driver installation because it killed my Mobo's Soundcard with the wrong fucking generic Microsoft piece of shit. Also completly broke the scroll functionlity in my gf's laptop. Windows' just werks is a disaster and always has been.
>powershell better than bash
If you are into learning how to do the simplest piping by creating this object and showing it up the ass of another. It may be more powerful in theory, but the pushback on neglecting cmd.exe was so heavy, that they updated cmd.exe in windows 10 to support fucking copy paste properly. Decades of batch scripts are not going to suddenly dissapear. (and .bat files are comfy as fuck). You do 80% of the work with 20% of the effort. No need to learn this everything is an object shit.
>linux subsystem
Has existed for decades with cygwin. Was always a workaround to make Windows Server enviroments useful. (where it had to be for corporate reasons). The native implementation of that is not going to save windows server or make it better
>visual studio
yes, let's install 25gb worth of shit to make hello world in C++
>security updates every day
every Tuesday my friend. The single most retarded aspect of windows. The primary reason I switched. Showing ALL THIS SHIT DOWN MY THROAT. I always disabled all of windows updates for all PC's. One update breaks SO MUCH. Every single time. Every single time it sets something up, reinstalls cortana, fucks over compatibility. I'm sick of it.
>great support from microshit
What are you smoking. What on earth.
They can't even support their own shit properly. They bullied all devs from WindowsMobile by invalidating all their apps TWICE with the win8.1 and win10 mobile updates. No communication, fired all their windows update checker team. They are high of their own fumes.
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>>992677
>Windows supported dark theme since Windows 95
ftfy
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>>992643
>Endless datamining
>No privacy
>Good luck tweaking anything
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>>992643
you could pick colors of the windows and whatever since windows xp and maybe even earlier than that
>>992655
>An obvious example is having to migrate your esoteric setup over when you change/reinstall your OS.)
<not having a git repo with your configs so you can git clone it on new system and get it working
▶ No.992683>>992687 >>992967
>Windows Store finally fixes Window's shitty package management
>makes everything Linux-like and you can get all your software from a centralized repository instead of searching the web for .exe's like a retarded cave man
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>>992682
>you could pick colors of the windows and whatever since windows xp and maybe even earlier than that
Bullshit, not without changing registry values and completely fucking up your system.
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>>992680
That's their "high contrast" theme which has always been complete trash and unusable. The new dark theme is modern and nice to look at.
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>>992683
>Devs pay money to work for Windows
>WUP "curated" software
>7z GUI wrappers for $10
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>>992684
lolwut. it's in the same window that you select your resolution, wallpaper etc.
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>>992686
True, but their visual styles are years ahead of what linux did
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>>992677
>Windows' just werks is a disaster and always has been.
This. The Win10 laptop at work won't let you type at more than 2 keys per second. You type in a sentence on the keyboard and it keeps typing for the next ten seconds for whichever program you are using. I don't call that "just werk"ing.
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>>992690
Lookin' good, Troy.
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>unpopular /tech/ opinions
ITT: popular /g/ opinions
▶ No.992699>>992967
Worrying about CoCs is fucking retarded. They make no difference.
▶ No.992700
What Terry did was impressive but stupid.
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>>992638 (OP)
I suffer from Windows 10's shit to this day, there's only a couple minor improvements over Win7 which I have at home, for one pinning things to the side in file explorer works much better. But the amount of downsides eclipse whatever few nice things it has, it's flat out BROKEN in many places as if it was some half assed open souce project. I am literally unable to change the default program for images and videos because Windows won't fucking change it, it does nothing when I try to change the defaut program. I deleted windows photo shit program by force and it still tries to open photos with that by default. The lack of borders in windows make it very hard to distinguish where the edge of the window is sometimes when everything is borderless rectangles in the window and behind the window, so I end up clicking the window behind and the one on top goes away. Some settings are often placed in very confusing locations or neutered so you can't configure things as well, the program links and shit in the start menu are like 5 times taller mobile-tier shit so it takes forever to find things from it, the OS doesn't open USB storage devices in the explorer when I plug them in so I have to manually navigate to it. FUCK
▶ No.992706>>992712
Minimalistic computing is not the end goal of my computing experience.
▶ No.992711>>992811
All the 'high security' OSs /tech/ recommends (think OpenBSD, Gentoo, Alpine) suffer from a critical lack of developers and therefore many fundamental security issues are not identified and fixed.
Their most effective security feature possibly excluding Alpine, commonly used in servers is obscurity (which is valid).
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>>992706
bonus: an aesthetically pleasing computing environment is an important part of computer ownership.
▶ No.992714
It's not the jews, it's corporations. Those two things are distinct, and confusing them fuels your paranoia.
▶ No.992716>>992967
SJWs are irrelevant.
Also, that term has been heavily devalued due to /pol/tards over the past five years, just as much as actual SJWs devalued 'Nazi'.
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>>992676
>my unpopular opinion... is probably that Stallman sucks. I think his philosophy ultimately destroys community (which strengthens mega corporations). And I think he does this intentionally.
Real unpopular opinion: Stallman is a software communist and doesn't stand for real "libre" software.
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>>992690
>Penumbra
Yikes. I've seen installations get hosed after updates because of the way Penumbra edits sys config files.
Luckily Win10 v1803 will have native dark theming.
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>>992643
>don't lie, this is a major reason why a bunch of you use linux
That's where your wrong kiddo.
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>>992690
Are you retarded? The Window classic theme is the best thing MS did and they decided to axe it for their new soyOS. While you jerkoff to your babby's first theme flat shit, you can't even change the default system font or the bar without hideous hacks. Let's also forget that your shit OS didn't have multiple desktops until a few years ago.
By the way, GNOME 2 was way than anything release after 2000.
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>>992727
Realer Unpopular Opinion:
Free Software movement wouldn't exist if the concept of Intellectual Property wouldn't exist.
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>>992745
How is that unpopular if it's the commonly accepted position, and even the FSF says that?
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>>992643
>(don't lie, this is a major reason why a bunch of you use linux)
Not me, nor anyone I know of. It's a shit reason to pick an OS.
That said, Linux is undoubtedly better for ricing.
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>>992727
>Stallman is a software communist and doesn't stand for real "libre" software.
Please explain.
I thin khe's a bit too hardline for my liking, but I don't see how he doesn't stand for 'libre' software.
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>>992745
You can have closed source without legal ownership of the code.
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>>992742
It does already, though. You can use the dark theme right now.
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>>992711
OpenBSD actually audits their code though, and rare distros are still working with Linux source, which has a lot of eyes on it.
The main concern in my mind for those three is who is maintaining the third party ports tree.
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>>992745
Not unpopular, still bullshit.
"if the concept of [whatever] property did not exist" makes as much sense as "if the concept of triangles didn't exist"
>>992704
> I deleted windows photo shit program by force and it still tries to open photos with that by default.
That's on you
▶ No.992827>>992967 >>996793
Daily reminder that Unpopular opinion threads are cancer because they validate opinions solely by their perceived popularity. It is a circlejerk claiming to be against circlejerks because criticism is discouraged in these threads. If you are too chickenshit to post your opinions in anywhere but hugbox threads, then maybe your opinion isn't worth listening to.
Faggots that exploit /tech/'s fear of being botnet is what killed /tech/. Freedom of speech ≠ equality of opinions; Shit opinions are shit opinions. Taking (You) to last page.
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>>992638 (OP)
In another thread, OP also think systemd is good and secure
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>>992643
>security updates every day
Oh, yeah, I love random updates that turn off my computer while I'm compiling something overnight that I can't disable. It's even better when those random updates then also proceed to delete the files I was compiling because Microsoft decided it'd be a good idea to force users to use their cloud and pajeets are too retarded to transfer files to the cloud before deleting them.
Truly, so much better than a system where I decide when to update, when to restart, and where my goddamn files are stored/when they are deleted.
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>>992643
>>powershell is infinitely superior to bash
>>linux subsystem for windows is there when you absolutely can't use powershell
So when something "infinitely superior" isn't superior enough - you use bash?
Sounds legit.
>>992655
>I realize all the time fiddling with Gentoo/QEMU/esoteric config files was totally wasted
Should have invested that time in making the process automatic. Windows wastes more of my time do superflous crap I never asked for.
Terminal commandline is where it's at. Anything else is "for nigger cattle" T.Davis Press [F]
▶ No.992914>>992918
Writing your own software is the only way you will be truly free
▶ No.992916>>992917 >>992967
The sites I make use so many third party javascript frameworks and other such dependencies that I'm not even really sure what data they collect about people, but I don't even care because it's easier to use a framework or google "how to do X in javascript" (and then someone on stack overflow recommends using a github repo) than it is to implement everything from scratch (like responsive design and single page application shit). I just use one of those generic "this site uses cookies" warnings and that's about it. I think it's okay to do this because it increases my productivity even if it's at the expensive of the users/owners of the sites I make for clients. The way I see it, your data is being collected and you're being tracked by every other site and service anyway, so this is just a drop in the bucket, so it makes very little difference to your privacy, but it makes a big difference to my workflow (this is more convenient for me). Oh yeah, and I like Google Analytics too.
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>>992916
expense*, not expensive
but you know what I meant
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>>992914
Making your own hardware and then writing your own software for it is only way to be free.
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>>992918
it's also a good way to waste your entire life needlessly reinventing the wheel when you could instead just implement what other people have already made and then build on top of that
▶ No.992930>>992932 >>992950
>>992919
>it's also a good way to waste your entire life needlessly reinventing the wheel
In case you haven't already noticed, this is what software development is all about.
>instead just implement what other people have already made and then build on top of that
That's just building wheels with premade wheel parts.
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>>992930
I'm a software developer, dingus. And it doesn't involve doing everything from scratch.
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>>992638 (OP)
Did it changes it's license to gplv3 ?
▶ No.992937>>993631
the only reason i run linux is for porn.
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>>992919
>>992930
>reinventing the wheel
I think that guy who nobody here likes said it pretty well; there are no wheels in software. Reinventing the wheel implies that there is something as idealized as a wheel, but what we have are a bunch of rectangular rocks attached to tree branches with vines and cum. That's what most of our current software is.
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>>992950
I'm pretty sure you've never developed anything more complicated than a fizzbuzz. That's why you think you don't need to rely on tools and libraries other people have made.
In the real world, there's none of this dumb "I'm gonna make everything myself" shit because there are things called deadlines and budgets.
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>>992643
>>most software has usable dark themes
<No. you still can't customize themes easily. MS has in fact downgraded this since windows 2000 (or earlier)
>everything just werks and is supported without having to nigger rig it together yourself
<No. Windows 7 and Debian just werks, unlike Botnet 10.
<Botnet 10 reverts some of your settings (privacy settings and additional keyboard layouts) to defaults with every """Feature""" update.
>powershell is infinitely superior to bash
<Windows' shells are always half assed (have you ever used GNU/Linux or *BSD?). A shell is supposed to be fast and intuitive to use interactively (powershell is neither). You shouldn't use shell to script anything else than most trivial stuff (use perl, python or ruby instead).
>visual studio
<It's only good for .Net stuff. It's horrendous for anything else.
>security updates every day
<nope, except if you are mentally retarded and become unpaid beta-tester
>great support from microsoft
<It seems as if they fired all tester since Botnet 10 is so broken. Microshit doesn't care about its customers at all at this point
>>992655
You forgot to actually provide the relevant details.
>>992670
Gentoo has been really stable in my system. In fact, you can choose to only install stable packages.
>>992683
>Windows Store
<what is chocolatey?
Windows Store is a fucking dumpster fire. In fact Windows has now at least three package managers: one for powershell, Windows store, nuget and optionally the one used for Linux sub-system... Oh and then there is Windows update, too. You can't call this situation sane.
>>992684
You are a newfag.
>>992704
The windows' new photo viewer was the reason why I downloaded XnView.
>>992699
>>992716
CoCs and SJWs make your life miserable and they can destroy your life. They use all kinds of dirty moves, like making false rape accusations.
>>992736
>edits config files
<Windows fucking chokes up and dies.
Is this the power of Microsoft in current year+++?
>>992743
Windows 95/98/2000 theme is the best.
>>992755
He is probably referring to the fact that GPL makes it harder for companies to use the source and that GPL add restrictions for the use of the source. I think that what Stallman does is necessary, but I have other reasons why I dislike him (he is birdfucker and supports pedo rights if the kid """"Consents""""")
>>992811
Ports are are the weakest link when it comes to security in OpenBSD.
>>992827
This.
>>992916
You are a nigger if you think that copy-pasting random code or adding another framework is good practice.
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>>992967
>Windows Store is a fucking dumpster fire
>what is chocolatey?
<using a 3rd party package manager
<ever
>NuGet
I don't think you understand what NuGet does.
>reddit spacing
Opinions thrown into dumpster fire.
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>>992979
><using a 3rd party package manager
><ever
homebrew is the de facto package manager for macs even though it's not official, and the developer said he failed an interview at google
a lot of widely-used software is done on a shoestring budget by barely-qualified people and just barely works, but it's used anyway because of a lack of alternatives
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>>992986
>macfags are retarded
Shocking!
▶ No.993003
>>992996
yeah go ahead and develop an iOS app on windows
I'm sure you can use Xcode/Interface Builder/iOS Simulator
retard
▶ No.993030
>>992986
You can use portage or pkgsrc on fagputers, you know?
▶ No.993092>>993094 >>993107 >>994649
If you cannot understand all the layers of abstraction that your "Free Software" sits upon, it may as well by proprietary, and doubly so if you cannot understand the hardware.
Since around the late 70s, computers have become so complex that no one single person can be reasonably expected to understand them in their entirety, and even if they could be understood, none have enough quality, let alone freely available documentation.
To have freedom in your computing, you must reject modernity and either revert to an existing pre-microprocessor design, or create your own.
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>>993092
But that's the whole POINT of abstraction. It's good that you can drive a car without having to know how a combustion engine or transmission work. If all you did was memorize car stuff, how would you have any time to learn other things?
What about trains? It's a form of abstraction. You don't know how the engine works, you don't know the ins and outs of the train rails and the controls that change the tracks from one track to another.
There simply isn't enough time to learn everything.
When someone starts learning to program in Python, they have no idea how print works when they write a hello world. And you know what? That's okay. Just as long as there is somebody who knows how the foundational/infrastructure stuff works, it's okay that not everybody else knows it. As long as someone is maintaining the lower level stuff to keep higher-level developers more secure, it's fine.
If someone is concerned with CPU registers and assembly, how are they going to have the time and mental capacity to focus on more highly-abstracted problems?
People don't use computers for bits and bytes and registers and ALUs. People use computers to talk to people, pay bills, make websites, create neural networks, render simulations, draw pictures, watch videos, play games, write code, fill out forms, and so on. Without abstraction, we would never be able to solve the problems we do now.
Even if you developed your own operating system from scratch, that wouldn't make it perfect. You might have unknown security issues, so people could still pwn you, even if there aren't built-in backdoors.
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>>993092
>If you cannot understand all the layers of abstraction that your "Free Software" sits upon, it may as well by proprietary, and doubly so if you cannot understand the hardware.
Not at all. There is value in open source for those who cannot understand or expand on the source. Mainly, it can be audited by other people who know what they are doing.
If you are relying on a single person to audit the software, that's not a thorough enough examination. Different examiners will have different skills and knowledge.
Complicated software or bloatware is NOT proprietary. It's difficult to audit and therefore does not gain the potential security benefits associated with open source. There is a difference.
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>>993094
<But that's the whole POINT of abstraction. It's good that you can drive a car without having to know how a combustion engine or transmission work. If all you did was memorize car stuff, how would you have any time to learn other things?
Is it really? In my experience, people who take the time to learn about cars tend to be better drivers out of pure machine empathy. If you don't have at least a rudimentary understanding of engines, gearboxes, braking, and traction there's a good chance you'll wear out your engine from over-revving, clutch from gear-mashing, and brakes and tires from late-braking. Sure you could tell someone not to do said things and expect them to listen like a good NPC, but in reality many if not most don't. Sure you could computerize cars to the point where you barely have to pay attention, but that just adds yet more layers of complexity and is a bitch to troubleshoot.
<What about trains? It's a form of abstraction. You don't know how the engine works, you don't know the ins and outs of the train rails and the controls that change the tracks from one track to another.
>implying I don't understand electric motors or diesel engines
>implying that's especially relevant as I'm not the one operating the train
>implying I'm not versed in NRTMS and ETCS (which is bloat BTW)
<There simply isn't enough time to learn everything.
Maybe not anymore, but there was before every appliance had a microcontroller. I spent considerably less time playing around with old appliances than I did in school, yet I could still build most of them from scratch if I had access to a well equipped machine shop.
>inb4 "you don't understand the machine tools"
<When someone starts learning to program in Python, they have no idea how print works when they write a hello world. And you know what? That's okay. Just as long as there is somebody who knows how the foundational/infrastructure stuff works, it's okay that not everybody else knows it. As long as someone is maintaining the lower level stuff to keep higher-level developers more secure, it's fine.
Where did I say it was mandatory to know these things? I only said that you couldn't have full dominion over your system if you didn't. My main concern with where we're headed with increasing sophistication is that we could, or may have already reached a point where a large enough war or natural disaster could erase those decades of progress and cause mass starvation as the percentage of people who understand the world's life-critical infrastructure is rapidly dwindling.
<If someone is concerned with CPU registers and assembly, how are they going to have the time and mental capacity to focus on more highly-abstracted problems?
Ask any of the homebrewers who devised their own architectures only to immediately move on to writing a BASIC interpreter, C compiler, or porting an existing OS. Once you know the former, the latter is pretty easy.
<People don't use computers for bits and bytes and registers and ALUs. People use computers to talk to people, pay bills, make websites, create neural networks, render simulations, draw pictures, watch videos, play games, write code, fill out forms, and so on. Without abstraction, we would never be able to solve the problems we do now.
I could do 8/10 of those things with a PDP-8/e from 1971. I'm sure you could whip-up a primitive video sharing system for purely TTL based computers if you were so inclined.
<Even if you developed your own operating system from scratch, that wouldn't make it perfect. You might have unknown security issues, so people could still pwn you, even if there aren't built-in backdoors.
>someone hacks the AnonOS™ SSH client running on my PDP-11/70
>nothing was leaked as my personal data is safely tucked away in a fireproof safe full of 8" floppy disks and paper-tape backups
>nothing was modified as the write-protect notch was uncovered on the OS and Networking Tools floppy
▶ No.993110>>993123
Let's not be retarded and actually talk about /tech/-related things instead of politics.
Let's leave memearrow cancer to finally rot into nothingness as it should have happened almost a decade ago.
▶ No.993117
>>992643
>nigger file explorer
>still no tabs in file explorer
>$currentyearmeme in $currentyear
▶ No.993120>>994649
>>993107
>>If you cannot understand all the layers of abstraction that your "Free Software" sits upon, it may as well by proprietary, and doubly so if you cannot understand the hardware.
>Not at all. There is value in open source for those who cannot understand or expand on the source. Mainly, it can be audited by other people who know what they are doing.
This is true. However, sufficiently complex software is inherently difficult to audit, given that people who are extending or modifying each others' code are stuck in the bubble of whatever abstraction they happen to be dealing with. A good deal of security flaws come from cases where people are mistakenly reliant on another layer to provide the security features. What good are the many years of OS security research on a multi-user system when you can be pwned by a speculative execution flaw? Your compiler could be faulty too, or the library you were using, and so on... Programmers end up complacent and assume things are "someone elses problem". Features beget bugs, bugs beget kludges, and kludges beget yet more bugs. It's a hopeless cycle that has rendered the structure of computers closer to that of DNA, with all of its 'junk', than an elegant, planned system.
>If you are relying on a single person to audit the software, that's not a thorough enough examination. Different examiners will have different skills and knowledge.
See above. TL;DR Specializing is all well and good, but it breaks down when developers fail to understand the connections between the layers. This is made worse by proprietary hardware layers on otherwise fully-Free Software systems.
>Complicated software or bloatware is NOT proprietary. It's difficult to audit and therefore does not gain the potential security benefits associated with open source. There is a difference.
If I need a team of highly skilled programmers to audit it or make a change, chances are they're not going to do it without sufficient monetary motivation - unless it's a small project with few users, or a big project with a sizable portion of users nagging the developers. The end result is often not that much different to being at the mercy of a proprietary developer... I can still appreciate that it can be forked or given to someone else to work on though. That said, many forks fail as the new developers struggle to grasp the complexity of the previous work enough to maintain it.
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>>993110
>implying technology is apolitical
The cancer is terminal, you will be assimilated.
▶ No.993151
>>992956
>you think you don't need to rely on tools and libraries other people have made
Nobody said that, you and many others like you immediately imagine that as a form of self defense because you get so insecure whenever someone threatens or criticizes your method of development, which is to glue together shitty bloated libraries and javascript frameworks resulting in a 4 GB cancerous piece of shit that has lag and latency and 10 second load times on high tier 2018 hardware.
▶ No.993179>>993215 >>993238
New opinion: python is the next logical step from perl
▶ No.993212
>>992823
>"if the concept of [whatever] property did not exist" makes as much sense as "if the concept of triangles didn't exist"
>comparing objective, real-life objects with subjective abstract concepts
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>>993179
I don't understand what you mean by that.
Perl just seems dangerous. It's like a fucking rocket for better and worse, I don't see why anyone would use it for something which isn't a quick and dirty script. Python seems much more controlled.
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>>993215
You could say the same about C, but people still use it, so whatever man. Perl also doesn't force you to use OO constructs or whitespace, and a lot of its functions mirror the C ones. I find it pretty comfy.
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>>993221
>bringing up C in a discussion about bloated scripting languages
Don't talk about my language ever again
▶ No.993232>>993629
computer technology is a clusterfuck of retarded shit and piss that needs to be erased from human history.
▶ No.993236
>>992690
>discord
>chrome
>overwatch
>windows 10
t-this is bait, right?
▶ No.993237
>>993223
Perl was built by and for Unix and C programmers. Maybe that offends you, but you don't have to use it.
▶ No.993238>>993262
>>992979
>using a 3rd party package manager
If you use Windows and want to have sane package management, then you are forced to use a 3rd party package manager since the first party can't into package managers.
>I don't think you understand what NuGet does.
Imo it's better to have one package manager for everything.
>reddit spacing
That's not reddit spacing, newfag.
>>993179
>>993215
No. Perl is better and more beautiful than Python. Just try it for a couple of days.
▶ No.993262>>993269 >>993418 >>993433
>>993238
perl is terse, unreadable garbage
the source code for a valid perl program looks like gibberish, and changing a single character changes like 500 different things due to its terseness
perl is only good for autists who like code golf
▶ No.993269>>993271
>>993262
>perl is terse, unreadable garbage
only if you write it that way
▶ No.993271>>993277
>>993269
perl is for boomers, python is the future
▶ No.993277
>>993271
No, Python isn't the future. Why? Because it doesn't have one. The project has been taken over by faggots. And Perl6 is this weird reptilian tech from the future, but it's available today.
I know I might sound like an old perl boomer, but actually, I think it's better to learn Ruby since I believe that Crystal might be big thing one day. But both Perl and Ruby are vastly superior to Python, nevertheless. Python has crappy syntax that relies too heavily on whitespace. This is literally designed for low IQ niggercattle who can't make sensible decisions themselves. On the other hand, both Perl and Ruby have very comfy syntax that isn't too restrictive. Ruby and Perl6 have very amazing meta-programming capabilities. Perl also has very cool embedded docs, and it's very easy to call external programs from Perl code. Another good reason to use Perl is that nearly all systems have it installed by default, and you can keep on using your old scripts.
▶ No.993418
>>993262
>and changing a single character changes like 500 different things due to its terseness
can we have an example of this kind of behaviour?
it seems like a volatile language to me (but then again, so do all loosely typed languages) and it's particularly easy to write unmaintainable code, but just like any programming it seems it isn't that bad if the programmer uses good practices.
▶ No.993433
>>993262
Having used perl almost exclusively at work for the last year, I can say I'm not a huge fan of its esoteric, unintuitive syntax any more than I am of digging through forums made from the early 2000's to find answers to common questions.
That said, here's one of many ways to change a single character without 500 things.
my $word = "Hop";
$word = "B" . substr($word, 1);
print($word);
▶ No.993478>>993599
>>992643
>has usable dark themes now
▶ No.993533
>>993215
on a computer system, you need more than one language.
you need shell for your very quick scripts, and python has taken perl's place as the "slightly more sophisitcated than shell" language. languages like Go and C are best used for more intense applications. that's what i meant when i said it was taking the next step from perl, as that was the language for a while
▶ No.993587>>993592
Despite the potential, nothing bad will happen from the CoCs because they won't be enforced unless you go full retard, in which case you would have been banned anyway regardless of a CoC
▶ No.993592>>993624 >>993627
>>993587
>unCoCed projects would have banned you for "misgendering"
Yeah, sure.
>if you follow the insane leftist rule that just appeared, nothing bad will happen!
No shit, retard.
▶ No.993599
>>993478
That's not the new Win10 dark theme, that's just high contrast mode which has been around forever.
▶ No.993600>>993628
>>992643
Nigger.
>what is redshift?
Dark themes are a meme. Windows 10 was a meme since the beginning. Privacy alone is a reason not to use it. Then comes all this shit
https://itvision.altervista.org/why-windows-10-sucks.html
▶ No.993602>>994295
>>993109
I like your way of thinking because it resembles mine. It really seems like the good days are over and every tech thing now becomes dumbed down and complexity is hidden behind an infinite layer of bloat masquerade.
Its basically marxism at work because we have to agree on a common denominator, which will always be the smallest one.
▶ No.993624
>>993592
Did you know that the green text means you are quoting a post?
This idea is sometimes extended to rephrase a post, reiterate abstract parts of the post or describe a logical implication of a post, but not to ignore the post and write your own content to reply to.
Please observe the imageboard community and its conventions more before continuing posting.
▶ No.993627>>993774
>>993592
>unCoCed projects would have banned you for "misgendering"
i haven't seen anyone banned on a CoC'd project for misgendering either. have you?
>if you follow the insane leftist rule that just appeared
spoiler alert: it's centralist. the rule is about not being a dick at work. the issue is people possibly abusing the rule, not the rule itself.
it's like saying anti-rape laws are leftist because actual tumblr SJWs made false rape claims targeting innocent men.
▶ No.993628
>>993600
>Dark themes are a meme.
aesthetics aren't a meme.
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▶ No.993631
>>992937
I can respect that
▶ No.993637>>993684 >>994289 >>994591 >>1001844
Mechanical keyboards are a fucking meme, and I think that most claims like "improves accuracy and typing speeds" are either placebo or faggots blatantly lying to defend their retarded $50+ purchase.
▶ No.993676>>993698 >>993765
Zen sucks for anything other than purely productivity tasks (not audio) due to their latency.
▶ No.993684>>993823
>>993637
I used to think that too but then I bought a no frill Leopold. Maybe I have confirmation bias like you said but it feels and sounds much better than anything I've ever typed on. I don't think it's improved my speed or anything though. If you like membranes then just save your money tbh.
▶ No.993698>>994274
>>993676
Latency? Can you elaborate?
▶ No.993765>>994274 >>996809
>>993676
Run it with 3200 CL14 memory.
▶ No.993774
>>993627
>spoiler alert: it's centralist.
i.e cucks with no opinion.
>the rule is about not being a dick at work. the issue is people possibly abusing the rule, not the rule itself.
Lmao what a naive faggot. You sound like the little shit moderators on forums I used to go to, "Like seriously guys just don't be a dick, ok? BTW being a dick is anything I don't like, as it turns out, and certain people seem to be exempt from this rule for some reason". Even phrasing it in that way, "don't be a dick", makes you sound like a lisping faggot. Clearly we do need bullying in the work place.
▶ No.993823>>996811
>>993684
Here's my speed on a regular macbook air keyboard, no loud mechanical shit here.
I think I used to type even slower during my neckbeard gamer phase, back when I actually had a mechanical keyboard. It was way too loud too. If you're alone all the time, not a big deal. When you're around other people, it's going to piss someone off.
It felt satisfying to type on, sure, but it wasn't actually better.
▶ No.993905
>>992690
fuck off niggershill
▶ No.993925
epic template cuckchan thread
▶ No.994274
>>993698
https://techreport.com/review/33531/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-and-ryzen-5-2600x-cpus-reviewed/7
>>993765
I wish I could. I still prefer monolithic as it will always perform better for latency-specific applications.
▶ No.994289
>>993637
Chiclets are unironically superior. Clacky keys are a gimmick sold to gaymers and children. They don't improve accuracy or speed, at all. They're fidget spinner tier.
▶ No.994295
>>993602
Thanks kind anon.
>Its basically marxism at work because we have to agree on a common denominator, which will always be the smallest one.
I'm not a Marxist by any means except freetardism to the point of thinking we'd be better off if individuals or families could be self-sufficient by each having most of their own means of production but I don't see how Marxism is the driving factor any more than Capitalism and Consumerism since catering to the common denominator is the most profitable move.
▶ No.994558
>>992638 (OP)
>>Windows 10 has unironically become good
What the fuck nigger. Their forced automatic update to 1809 was literally deleting people's user folders. They also removed theming which was present at least since 95, forcing you to use high contrast themes (which break other programs). Even the task manager is fucking bloated and slow
▶ No.994569>>994573 >>994651
Voice control is fun and useful technology and is the future. Alexa is a neat gadget and a good AI waifu Typing will be phased out over the next few years as the laziness from controlling everything through a VUI sets in.
▶ No.994573>>994577
>>994569
I'm not gonna say "alexa, look up futanari hentai images" when my roommates are within earshot
same reason why I text people instead of calling all the time
texting/typing is nice because it's silent
▶ No.994574>>994660
>>993109
>My main concern with where we're headed with increasing sophistication is that we could, or may have already reached a point where a large enough war or natural disaster could erase those decades of progress and cause mass starvation as the percentage of people who understand the world's life-critical infrastructure is rapidly dwindling.
That's the plot of the novella 'The Machine Stops' by E.M. Forster. It's a very short book and worth a read if you're into thinking about issues about abstraction and dependence on technology that most people don't understand.
▶ No.994577>>994590
>>994573
>I'm not gonna say "alexa, look up futanari hentai images" when my roommates are within earshot
You might think you're not, but you are.
▶ No.994590
>>994577
they don't think it be like it is, but it do?
▶ No.994591
>>993637
Unfortunately, mechanical keyboards are pretty much the only option these days if you don't want a faggot flat keyed chiclet keyboard. It's pretty much impossible to find a normal keyboard and I blame crapple for introducing this retarded trend. Even budget kbs marketed as "fat keys" are only half as thick as what they used to be only a few years ago. I can't stand fucking flat keys as they always feel uncomfortable as fuck, very easy to mis-press keys and make my wrists hurt after a couple of hours of typing.
▶ No.994592
>>993123
No, I will simply stop even considering contributing to 8ch. copypaste should've just pulled the plug when he ditched us for drugs.
▶ No.994627>>995286
>>992638 (OP)
>unpopular /tech/ opinions
unpopular opinions are the incision where the jew worm creeps into a community.
▶ No.994649>>994661 >>995008
▶ No.994651
>>994569
>Alexa is [...] a good AI waifu
lol no. fucking closed source stalker.
▶ No.994660
>>994574
Just finished reading that, thanks. Very quotable, and eerily relevant.
Cannot you see, cannot all you lecturers see, that it is we that are dying, and that down here the only thing that really lives in the Machine? We created the Machine, to do our will, but we cannot make it do our will now. It was robbed us of the sense of space and of the sense of touch, it has blurred every human relation and narrowed down love to a carnal act, it has paralysed our bodies and our wills, and now it compels us to worship it. The Machine develops - but not on our lies. The Machine proceeds - but not to our goal. We only exist as the blood corpuscles that course through its arteries, and if it could work without us, it would let us die.
▶ No.994661>>994669
>>994649
I'm torn between building the TTL 8080 and getting it to run CP/M, or going hardcore with relays.
▶ No.994962
>>992643
>manbaby shit
>a straight up falsehood
>more lies
>a slow as fuck compatibility layer
>a bloated web browser that calls itself an IDE
>forced restarts every day
>tech support pajeets
You forgot about the part where it deletes all your files whenever it updates.
▶ No.995008
>>994649
That's some cool stuff.
You know, I've always wondered how to start in this entire thing of understanding how to computers, but I don't even know where to start. What are some good books?
▶ No.995286>>995345
>>994627
hating jews is an unpopular opinion in quite a few places, so...
▶ No.995288>>996898
>>993109
>Is it really? In my experience, people who take the time to learn about cars tend to be better drivers out of pure machine empathy.
The abstraction is still a good thing, because it allows cars to be used well enough on a much larger scale.
Even the cursory knowledge you use as example is an abstraction of how a car actually works physics-wise, a more detailed abstraction than "this makes me go fast and this stops me" for sure but still a way to ignore a myriad of low impact details and focus on the important bits.
>Maybe not anymore, but there was before every appliance had a microcontroller.
Nope, you might learn cars and fridges but you won't learn guns, or ariplanes, or drills, or bridges, or any other incredibly important thing that has been studied and improved for decades if not centuries.
>nothing was modified as the write-protect notch was uncovered on the OS and Networking Tools floppy
Do I need to explain you how stupid this is?
▶ No.995336>>996566 >>996579
>>992691
That sounds more like the laptop doesn't even meet the minimum requirements.
▶ No.995345>>996616
>>995286
Some things are objectively bad.
Praising jews should be the unpopular opinion.
Numbers of jews gassed by national socialists since the alleged holocaust: 0. Zero.
Numbers of penises mutilated by jews since national socialist Germany: millions
Numbers of animals slaughtered with inhumane kosher slaughter practices since NatSoc Germany: probably billions.
Boycotts against domestic gentile trade with the kosher label and prerequisite for jewish patronage: countless.
Instances of masquerading as whites of European descent by ashkenazim for the purpose of race baiting and other sabotage: countless.
Resources drained from gentile nations and people, including the alleged saviors of the jews, the Americans: many, many billions worth.
Numbers of chickens waved around in the ritual of kapparot that transfers sins from the jew onto the chicken: probably billions.
Numbers of oaths and promises voided which whites take seriously and at face value via the ritual of kol nidre: countless since it happens every year at yom kippur.
Amount of antiwhite propaganda produced and aimed at even their alleged saviors: countless.
Amount of atrocities committed against gentiles: countless.
Amount of usurious FIAT currency created, peddled and cultivated by jews: a figure that doesn't fit inside this comment due to the sheer number of zeroes.
Amount of meddling in foreign affairs despite usually being only 1-5% of the population: nigh infinite
Amount of marxism, bolshevism, globalism etc: infinite
Amount of kvetching in general: infinite.
And many, many, many other things that happened after the alleged holocaust, including the lie itself and all the atrocities against whites derived from that.
Now to the important tally:
Number of worries about jews voiced by gentiles based on actual things happening like genital mutilation et cetera legitimized by jews and golems: 0
Number of worries about nazis actively hunting, killing, persecuting, gassing jews despite none of that happenin legitimized by jews and golems: as many as there are claims made.
tl; dr:
jewish fear of persecution, which they deserve due to their heinous acts and despicable nature but is, sadly, not happening is routinely legitimized.
Gentile fear of the degrading, parasitical, atrocious effect of the jewish race in the light of their many, many actions which they commit daily is stamped away as irrational.
Chutzpah is a mental illness, though, and whitey has long grown tired of this stupid game. Next time the table gets flipped, you'll wish for the lies about the holocaust because they will be considered heavenly in comparison to the fate this abomination of a race will face due to its own, never knowing when to leave well enough alone, actions.
▶ No.996561>>996617 >>996634
/tech/, as a hivemind, suffers from self-encouraged paranoid delusions due to persistent unironic exaggeration of the people they dislike.
▶ No.996566
>>992691
>>995336
Even a machine that weak can still be made usable with a lightweight Linux distro.
▶ No.996579>>996851
>>995336
It can run Unreal Engine 4 and VR on Win10. It certainly exceeds the minimum requirements.
▶ No.996601
every patch Tuesday breaks Windows 1984
▶ No.996616
>>995345
>eating the chicken you just transferred your kike sins to
Let me guess, they just throw the chickens away afterwards? Or sell them to goyish butcher shops?
▶ No.996617
>>996561
>People with autism abusing hyperbole and conjecture
Say it ain't so lad
▶ No.996634>>996642
>>996561
>uses Tails OS
>makes accusations of paranoia
You're the faggot who calls everyone a faggot, amirite
▶ No.996642
>>996634
i dont actually use tails
▶ No.996779>>996791 >>996846
My pc has a old amd processor from 2013 windows 10 runs fine, yes I've changed the hdd and graphics card but it works fine I don't need the newest games.
▶ No.996791
>>996779
how much ram does it have/use at idle?
▶ No.996793
>>992827
It makes me upset that this is the first time I've seen this being pointed out.
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▶ No.996803
build 1809 launch was disaster
Microsoft FIRED their QA and relies on Insiders to test this OS
you are the problem op for letting them off the hook for this
▶ No.996809>>996814
>>993765
It's not about speeds, it about how the architecture is inherently flawed when needing to cross Infinity Fabric into the other CCX to get to the other bank of memory.
Zen 2 fixes this.
▶ No.996811
>>993823
Once you stop needing to look at the keyboard, typing is basically just how fast of a reaction time you have in processing either text you want to type or being able to form the words you want to type. Keyboard makes no difference assuming you are comfortable with the keyboard you are typing on.
I for example cannot type on laptop keyboards because I've never typed on one. I am good with your typical full sized keyboard where I will always know where every key is without thinking.
This is especially vital when it comes to Ctrl, Alt, Win, and everything in the bottom row.
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▶ No.996831>>996876
>>992638 (OP)
>That cafe
where's this at? AND THEY HAVE SOUP TOO
▶ No.996846
>>996779
there are brand new low-end processors that are still way slower than older high-end ones
▶ No.996851
>>996579
Then it's just Win10 fucking up for no reason, as usual.
▶ No.996876
>>996831
It was in Japan more than a decade ago and has gone out of business.
▶ No.996898
>>995288
<Is it really? In my experience, people who take the time to learn about cars tend to be better drivers out of pure machine empathy.
>The abstraction is still a good thing, because it allows cars to be used well enough on a much larger scale.
Most people still owned cars before all that BS. Even in Britain where nearly everyone still drives a manual. Besides, giving cars to the masses has been an environmental disaster.
>Even the cursory knowledge you use as example is an abstraction of how a car actually works physics-wise, a more detailed abstraction than "this makes me go fast and this stops me" for sure but still a way to ignore a myriad of low impact details and focus on the important bits.
Knowledge of the low-level physics is only really important if you're designing new cars or trying to improve their performance. Any reasonably educated sub-Saharan could understand something like a Land Rover Defender well enough to fix one and clone parts, as evidenced by 3rd world motoring in general.
<Maybe not anymore, but there was before every appliance had a microcontroller.
>Nope, you might learn cars and fridges but you won't learn guns, or ariplanes, or drills, or bridges, or any other incredibly important thing that has been studied and improved for decades if not centuries.
Most guns are relatively simple and can be made by an amateur engineer in a well equipped machine shop, even Afghan villagers copy late 19th and early 20th century British designs. Sure you might not be a match for a modern army in a conventional war, but you could still be effective in numbers in a civil war, or provide decent self-defense.
The Wright brothers managed between them with little to no outside help, no? Kit built planes are a thing, as are microlights and repros of WWI aircraft that have been produced by single individuals.
Brunel's Victorian bridges are still standing, and so are many bridges that were built before computers. A competent civil engineer of the day could handle it.
Besides, the latter two of your examples aren't particularly relevant as neither of them are things that are commonly owned by individuals. I'm specifically referring to technology that the average person is likely to own and use on a regular basis.
<nothing was modified as the write-protect notch was uncovered on the OS and Networking Tools floppy
>Do I need to explain you how stupid this is?
Yes. Huur, what is shitposting?
▶ No.1001684>>1001817
they take fucking .png screenshots and email them to bill gates personally. WHY
▶ No.1001715>>1001726
TempleOS is a piece of crap
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▶ No.1001817
>>1001684
lol sure, we believe you
▶ No.1001844
>>993637
They are more reliable than rubber domes though. That's about the only thing they legitimately have going for them, it's also the one thing that no one ever bothers to bring up.
▶ No.1001845
OSX is actually pretty decent compared to windows 10 still prefer Linux though, least if you aren’t gaymin.
▶ No.1001852>>1001855
Making your activities private actually attracts more attention from adversaries. Yes, there's a point where your security will be better than the attention you attract, but only a very small minority of people are technologically literate enough to do it.
▶ No.1001855>>1005444
>>1001852
Most people haven't got adversaries, and are not worth going after except in the most convenient ways via tracking beacons and whatever spyware they can convince the average pleb to run.
▶ No.1005388
Despite their horrid propaganda and non-purist ways, Purism is doing great things.
▶ No.1005389
>>992643
>everything just werks
Disagree. I've started running into issues involving explorer active windows not jumping to the foreground upon clicking or by using the task switcher. I never encountered anything quite like this in any previous version of Windows, not even any of the release candidates. They actually somehow managed to make explorer less functional.
▶ No.1005393>>1005402 >>1005500
The way UNIX, Linux, and derivatives structure their filesystems/system folders is a complete mess, and only came about because of disk space limitations on mainframes and minicomputers at the time. Windows had the right idea when putting system files into a designated system folder, and applications/programs into their own.only thing missing is a folder for libraries Everything else is fine though.
Also, the 6502 line should have been continued into true 16, 32, and 64 bit versions..
▶ No.1005402
>>1005393
True, but not all Unix derivatives do that. macOS, GoboLinux, and NixOS use different hierarchies.
▶ No.1005444
>>1001855
>Most people haven't got adversaries
Fact: everyone posting here does.
▶ No.1005477
>>992643
>everything just werks
>This despite being literally so fucking cancerous it corrupted my bios on reinstall after fucking up my audio interface drivers
At the most fundamental and critical level, win10 is a complete shitshow.
▶ No.1005500
>>1005393
The BSDs have much cleaner file hierarchies than any linux distro i've ever tried. It's mostly because linux doesn't differentiate system resoures and user software resources but also because linux is a clusterfuck in general