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 No.990645[Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

In a prior public statement, Bruce Perens put forth a legal theory where users of a certain piece of Software would be liable for contributory copyright infringement*[1]. This statement, specifically the pronouncement of such damages reachable, is predicated on a pure copyright License theory regarding the grant under-which the Linux Kernel is distributed and modified.

* (https://perens.com/2017/06/28/warning-grsecurity-potential-contributory-infringement-risk-for-customers/ )

As we all know, under a contract theory, damages are quite limited regarding opensource licenses** (See the initial district court determination of Jacobsen v. Katzer) and the legal theory published by Bruce Perens, if analyzed under a contract theory regarding the GPL would become a less-than-likely scenario.

** (For this very reason, the FSF specifically drafted version 2 of the GPL to avoid language that would tend to induce a contract reading rather than a bare license construction. The FSF has maintained for decades that the GPL is a bare license and is not a contract)

It is just that utterance, added by Bruce Perens, regarding contributory copyright infringement damages reachable vis a vis the GPL version 2, that induced upwards of 70 of Open Source Security's clients to cease their business dealings with Open Source Security.

Bruce Perens has recently made known, publicly, that he currently believes in a Contract theory regarding the GPL version 2, specifically regarding the Linux Kernel. He has stated that he, infact, in the past has supplied expert testimony praying to the court for it to find that the GPL is, in fact, a contract (and not a bare (copyright) license). He has stated that the court has indeed relied on his testimony in various pleadings. ***[3]

Here, ( https://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12767438&cid=57489528 ) Bruce Perens argues that case law has overridden the esteemed Raymond Nimmer's opinion that the GPL is not a contract and is, at best, a failed contract, and likely a bare license akin to a property license. Bruce Perens further clarifies that it was his very own testimony that has convinced the court that the GPL is infact not a bare license and is instead a contract.

If these pleadings were to have occurred prior to the theory published regarding Open Source Security and its Contributor Access Agreement, that would put the lie to any suggestion that Bruce Perens in fact believed in the theory that he published at the time of publication and would instead suggest that rather than proffering his opinion regarding a matter - he was instead intentionally publishing a theory he believed to be a lie in-order to harm Open Source Security - A goal that has indeed been effected (specifically by the "Contributory Copyright Infringement" addendum).

*[1]

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https://perens.com/2017/06/28/warning-grsecurity-potential-contributory-infringement-risk-for-customers/

Posted on June 28, 2017 by Bruce

Warning: Grsecurity: Potential contributory infringement and breach of contract risk for customers

***[3]

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https://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12767438&cid=57489528

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Re:Who gives a FUCK about Nimmer? (Score:2)

by Bruce Perens ( 3872 ) <bruce@perens.com> on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:10PM (#57489528) Homepage Journal

If lawyers were never wrong, we'd have no need for courts. Which means they're wrong half the time, or at least the adopt unsupportable arguments half of the time.

Case law has overridden him on the GPL question, thanks in part to my pro-bono testimony. But courts and lawyers still take him seriously. And me, sometimes.

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In response to:

>Who gives a FUCK about Nimmer? (Score:0)

>by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @08:30PM (#57489396)

>

>Who gives a FUCK about Nimmer?

>

>He said the GPLv2 was "not a contract" - was "at best" "a failed contract" - "has no consideration" - and thus it is a bare license revocable by >the grantor.

>

>Free Software has REJECTED this CLOWN Nimmer.

>Thus he is wrong.

>

>http://illinoisjltp.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/kumar.pdf

>http://oxwugzccvk3dk6tj.onion/tech/res/987076.html

>...

 No.990650


 No.990667>>990679

The linux devs can rescind their license grant. Why don't they if they don't like the CoC. They did NOT give their code away. They merely licensed it to people for nothing. Licenses can be rescinded. The License text itself doesn't even disclaim the possibility of rescission. All it says is that those who are down stream of a violator won't have their license automatically revoked if the violator's is.

(No this was NOT "debunked", it's a complete lie to say that the owner of the copyright cannot rescind his freely licensed (no consideration paid) property: yes the free software people ARE LYING - but EVERYONE now believes their lie even though their debunking was immediately debunked itself. - Since none of you woman worshiping anti-marry-little-girls** faggots are lawyers you believe whatever you're told by "SFConservancy"*)

*(Who even had to bring in outside council themselves, inorder to conflate clause 4, having so little expertise on the subject in-house)

**(YHWH explicitly allows men to have female children as brides (Devarim chapter 22, verse 28 (na'ar) (same expressed in the Septuagint (padia)) (including in cases of a forceful taking (taphas)) (Yes, white men (americans, anglos) are the enemy of YHWH's law, worldwide championing a system that condemns all men to slavery at women's feet - the position they themselves naturally gravitate to)


 No.990679>>990985

>>990667

>The linux devs can rescind their license grant. Why don't they if they don't like the CoC.

Name of a single instance of this ever happening or being legally enforced in America for a comparable license. Pro tip you can't because you are bullshitting.


 No.990985>>991078

>>990679

Your logic doesn't follow.

There is rarely any litigation regarding opensource projects, because the devs have no money.


 No.990986>>991085

More discussion, Eben Moglen even comes in to defend his baby.

https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/10/25/287


 No.991078

>>990985

So you literally can't name a single instance of it happening. Nice argument guys great plan.


 No.991085

>>990986

>visionsofalice

WTF is with this pedo shit?




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