/tech/ - Technology★

>>987721 (OP)

They should fix the fucking memory leaks, last time I checked nautilus daemon was taking +700 MB.

>gnome

>KDE

both are very harmful

He's completely right you know.

The main problem with GTK is the fact that people think it can be themed, when in reality that was never the intention, it was orignally just an api that had some fucking css capabilities that weren't orignally designed for themes but a single theme.

But fags latched onto it and started making unholy abominations.

Ricers are the niggers of freesoftware.

The fact that most mainstream "noob friendly" distros package with their own bullshit themes only makes it worse.

we should only support teletypes, its the (((unix))) way

>>987791

i agree with this

>>987786

He's half-right. Theming is completely broken in GTK3.

However, let's not pretend that this is a technically impossible problem. It's just they never properly stabilized a theming system, like every other fucking configuration option they present to users / developers. So of course you have people building on top of something buggy and subject to change, which _never_ works, because programs become chock-full of bug-fixes that are actually contingent on the existence of said bugs.

The example he gives, where people can optionally theme their programs to look like Windows 95, actually works okay in KDE.

>developer-hostile

stay mad. the point of an app, and a distro, is to support users. developers exist to support that goal.

>The people complaining that it's broken aren't the ones fixing it

tough shit. Maybe find a better job, you don't sound like your cut out for OSS development.

>adwaita-dark doesn't count

What if I wanted adwaita-dark-but-not-too-dark? What if I wanted adwaita-but-with-slightly-bigger-buttons?

>they are very close to adwaita code wise

so theme developers should shadow adwaita. Sounds like a theming api to me

>there's a finite number of them

there a finite number of custom themes. just a much larger number.

>they are part of the same design language

this is what really pisses me off. developers are allowed to fuck around with design language, but it's verboten for distros?

>“Users” want a lot of things, but just because you want something impossible that doesn’t make it possible.

Suck dicks

>No matter what we come up with though, I think it’s crucial that we start taking the needs of app developers seriously. Developers are the lifeblood of any platform, and we’ve been treating them very poorly. If we want to grow our ecosystem and actually compete with other major platforms, we need to fix that.

Sounds like a plan. Step one is to create an actual fucking theming api, because users are going to theme anyways, and you're only screwing over devs if you don't have a stable api they can write against.

>oh shit new version of gnome broke previous themes

>IT'S THE RICER'S FAULT!

Pathetic.

>>987721 (OP)

Well, he is right in a way. If Gnome has no theming API, then don't try to theme it. Of course the real problem is that they do not have a theming API, but it's retarded to work with something that's not supposed to be worked with, and then complain that things break. If you want to theme a desktop environment, then use one that is actually themable.