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 No.982580>>982586 >>982883 >>982897 >>983316 >>983484 >>984149 >>1008467 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

>a tiny surveillance chip, not much bigger than a grain of rice, has been found hidden in the servers used by nearly 30 American companies, including Apple and Amazon

>The malicious chips, which were not part of the original server motherboards designed by the U.S-based company Super Micro, had been inserted during the manufacturing process in China.

>they were capable of doing two very important things: telling the device to communicate with one of several anonymous computers elsewhere on the internet that were loaded with more complex code; and preparing the device’s operating system to accept this new code

>https://thehackernews.com/2018/10/china-spying-server-chips.html

 No.982586>>983900

>>982580 (OP)

>>982580 (OP)

Paywalled original sauce (most archive services, even bypasses for them, do not work on that kike site right now):

https://web.archive.org/web/20181004150521/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

Super Micro's key people are Taiwanese.

EXPECT ALMOST ALL SERVER HARDWARE MANUFACTURED FROM A FEW YEARS AGO TO NOW TO HAVE BOTNET CHIPS


 No.982587>>982595 >>982611 >>982652 >>983209 >>983217 >>983314

We need to set up firewalls to filter out any inbound AND outbound traffic from and to China.


 No.982595

>>982587

Well shit anon after I filtered out all potential NSA and ChiCom traffic the whole fucking world has been cut off.


 No.982596>>982599 >>982628 >>983539

So much for RISC and Power9. Theyre all literally botnet now. The kikes always win.


 No.982599>>982611

>>982596

Go to the fab and make sure they don't insert anything if it matters so much to you faggot. None of you actually care though.


 No.982603>>982604 >>982611

What would happen if we break that damned chip, like melting it with a soldering tool?


 No.982604

>>982603

Unless it has a dead man switch it will probably fix the problem.


 No.982611

>>982587

>what are proxies

Do you seriously expect such a well done op to send traffic right to chinese gov servers?

>>982599

>if you care, do this completely unfeasible thing

kys

>>982603

It could remove the issue, it could brick the system completely, it could stop some things from working properly...

Depends a lot on how the whole thing was integrated, if it's tightly integrated a la management engine you're fucked.


 No.982628>>982892

>>982596

The Jews lost. They were actually botneted by the Chinese.


 No.982631

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 No.982645>>982886

SUPERMICRO MARKET CAP DOWN 54%

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3395181-super-micro-minus-54_5-percent-supply-chain-sabotage-report

Fuck these guys, to think I own 4 SMI servers. I remember thinking how messed up the company must be when I called their offices back in the day and was answered in Chinese.


 No.982648>>982650 >>982666 >>982736

File (hide): fa29e6683434134⋯.jpg (17.37 KB, 300x188, 75:47, 1426217369168.jpg) (h) (u)

How much code can you fit on this?


 No.982650>>982651

>>982648

>"Since the implants were small, the amount of code they contained was small as well. But they were capable of doing two very important things: telling the device to communicate with one of several anonymous computers elsewhere on the internet that were loaded with more complex code; and preparing the device’s operating system to accept this new code."


 No.982651>>982653

>>982650

Small is not a measurement.

What did the code do and was it written in Rust?


 No.982652

>>982587

Has nothing to do with China. The overlord crime cartel just uses China as a straw-man to keep the public at bay, while they harvest all the information they want. Same surely happens all over the world and Xi Jinping got a lot richer in the process.


 No.982653

>>982651

Probably well under 1kB. Rust is too bloated for such applications. MCU of that chip probably doesn't even have RAM so even C is out of the question (while in theory possible, nobody bothers and just writes everything in ASM).


 No.982660>>982663


 No.982663>>983208

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>>982660

Posting from my Huawei, I'm never gonna visit China so don't give a shit, everything is botnet whether from USA or China or eu, the only way to be free is to be offline


 No.982666>>982668 >>982700

>>982648

Depends on it's capabilities, it was probably done in assembly.

Anyway this just reveals more the absurdity of spying agencies. They always give shit reasons like:

>since they do the same why wouldn't we do the same

And then when all countries are involved it becomes a clusterfuck.

CIA, NSA, GCHQ, GDFPI, MSS and whatnot GTFO of our hardware

CIA, NSA, GCHQ, GDFPI, MSS and whatnot GTFO of our hardware!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


 No.982668

>>982666

nice trips


 No.982670>>982678 >>982682 >>990275

SUREENDER NOTE FUCKING WHEN!

There is literally no way, I repeat ''NO WAY' to resist anymore. We're fucked forever.


 No.982676

Really I just want to know more about the chip itself.


 No.982678

>>982670

Learn hardware and audit it.


 No.982680>>982681 >>982683 >>983141 >>983207

File (hide): 3979d9a62d8325f⋯.jpg (17.31 KB, 249x243, 83:81, 1510674486577.jpg) (h) (u)

IDGAF China is based


 No.982681


 No.982682>>982839

File (hide): 9c31a33dad56f2a⋯.jpg (389.36 KB, 2124x1195, 2124:1195, C128 and Amiga 2000.jpg) (h) (u)

>>982670

I route all my packets through an Amiga 2000/030 tbh fam. Chinese cianiggers btfo.


 No.982683>>982783

File (hide): 4e9c580cede1b77⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 37.93 KB, 501x585, 167:195, 4e9.jpg) (h) (u)

>>982680

I wonder who could be behind this post.


 No.982700>>982713

>>982666

>, it was probably done in assembly.

Thanks for confirming you know nothing about hardware design. It would be an ASIC, without a CPU.


 No.982712>>982713

There needs to be a more accurate description of how this thing works. Right now it sounds like it grabs a payload from another computer and shoves this into the OS kernel or boot loader. But what if you're using FDE (not common on servers, but you can do that on your home computer)? Or what if you just start your computer without any network device attached? Or, in the extreme paranoid case, what if you're routing your computer directly through a custom bus and protocol you rigged up on GPIO ports? Now this chip doesn't know wtf the environment is, because it's never been in it before (and its designers never imagined it). It can't go grab the payload, because there's no wifi, no ethernet, not even a serial port or CAN bus connected.


 No.982713>>982720 >>982757

>>982700

>Thanks for confirming you know nothing about hardware design.

> the amount of code they contained was small as well. But they were capable of doing two very important things: telling the device to communicate with one of several anonymous computers elsewhere on the internet that were loaded with more complex code; and preparing the device’s operating system to accept this new code.

>without a CPU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_device_fabrication

>It would be an ASIC

It could be an ASIC.

>>982712

>It would be an ASIC

This.


 No.982720>>982757

>>982713

Yeah I read that paragraph, but it doesn't give enough details for us to know exactly what level of countermeasures are needed to foil it. I tried to follow the link to bloomberg or whatever other site the article linked to, but their server told me my computer was generating malicious activity (I use the Links browser).


 No.982733

Was probably on the traces that run to the Ethernet controller and patched the firmware on boot.


 No.982736

>>982648

Given that you can fit hundreds of millions of transistors per 1mm^2 with 14nm and modern NAND flash is stacked it could have a few hundred MBit of memory.


 No.982746>>982760 >>982764 >>982780 >>982835


 No.982757

>>982720

>>982713

>It would be an ASIC

Copy paste mistake.

It should be

>There needs to be a more accurate description of how this thing works.


 No.982760


 No.982764

>>982746

>implying Apple would admit they brought and used compromised hardware for critical IT infrastructure

>implying Apple would admit that Google was right all along about needing to design and manufacture their own IT equipment


 No.982780>>982835 >>982867 >>982890

>>982746

Apple, Amazon, Supermicro and the Chinese Government are all denying it: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-amazon-apple-supermicro-and-beijing-respond

Incidentally: Apple, Amazon, Supermicro and the Chinese Government are all filled to the brim with chinamen.


 No.982783>>982889

>>982683

Cheap Chink tech is good, retard.


 No.982835>>982836 >>982857 >>982925

>>982746

>>982780

I have no evidence, but I think it's likely the companies involved would have been served NSLs since it's still an ongoing investigation.


 No.982836


 No.982839

>>982682

The risk floppies.

I miss that damn game.


 No.982857>>982879

>>982835

Yes, I agree. More to the point, the employees who are in the know are gagged and cannot tell other employees at the same company, particularly the PR department but possibly even their own bosses, what's going on. So the PR department didn't have to knowingly lie because they were deceived by people in the company who believed they had a legal and moral obligation to keep PR in the dark.


 No.982866>>982889 >>990431 >>998375

The entire western world allowed ALL of their computer manufacturing to end up in a nation state we/they are effectively on rocky terms with at the best of times... and now we are supposed to pretend to be surprised when something like this happens?

The chips were supposedly installed by agents of China's People's Liberation Army and apparently located during a security audit of servers sold by Elemental.

White House officials have made it clear they think companies will begin shifting their supply chains to other countries as a result. Such a shift might assuage officials who have been warning for years about the security of the supply chain---even though they’ve never disclosed a major reason for their concerns.

Considering the statements by Apple and Amazon, I have a hard time believing this is true unless they are just completely clueless or lying. They'd be facing some serious ethics/legal/shareholder action if they knowingly put out false statements.

If Bloomberg is wrong, they gonna go down


 No.982867>>982881 >>982897

>>982780

>Supermicro and the Chinese Government are all denying it

Of course, but why apple and Amazon?

Would their shares drop that much?


 No.982870>>982889

they were capable of doing two very important things: telling the device to communicate with one of several anonymous computers elsewhere on the internet that were loaded with more complex code; and preparing the device’s operating system to accept this new code. The illicit chips could do all this because they were connected to the baseboard management controller, a kind of superchip that administrators use to remotely log in to problematic servers, giving them access to the most sensitive code even on machines that have crashed or are turned off.

A BMC modification. Not good.


 No.982873>>982893 >>983013

Looks like Trump was right about Apple building phones here

There may be a future market of electronics assembly of sensitive components in trusted countries(preferably your own)

Price will rise


 No.982875>>982880

More propaganda to get the proles ready for the inevitable police action in southeast Asia. Enjoy being drafted amerifats.


 No.982879>>983787

Interesting, it only has 3 pins, two have to draw power as well. Also that it is a independent chip and not a cpu die modification, pretty nice of them tbh. I wonder what bus it would sit on, most of them operate at a very high freq. Has anyone decapped the chip and got pics of the die? Are there any models that are known to have this chip? If it is reprogramable expect many other parties to make use of this backdoor.

>>982857

Not to mention these guys will buy time to dump their stock before announcing it, only to not be covered by 99% of media. Can't have people worried about amazon and apple.


 No.982880

>>982875

>Enjoy being drafted amerifats.

I already got plans in place. My blood isn't going to be used to fertilize a rice paddy.


 No.982881>>982897

>>982867

>Would their shares drop that much?

"We are announcing that we have been storing all our users data, iTunes and App Store 3rd party IP, and our own sensitive IP, including technical designs and source code, on systems compromised by the Chinese government. Please don't rape our stock price."

t. Apple Inc


 No.982882>>982908 >>983713

So the CIA niggers got out-CIA'd by chinks, huh. Either that or it was all orchestrated so the chinese could be a scapegoat


 No.982883>>983018 >>983207

>>982580 (OP)

I just bought a Huawei Matebook X Pro the other week, it's very nice (3000x2000 pixel screen, good battery life, 4-core, 8GB RAM), but now I'm worried about built in backdoors aside from intel's ME.

Did I fuck up?


 No.982886

>>982645

FUCK! SUPERMICRO IS CHINESE TOO?!

MY NAS IS SUPERMICRO!


 No.982889>>983007

>bloomberg out of all sources

>old money european investor/merchants

never trust a heeb

>supermicro, apple, amazon

>chinese-backed tech borg

never trust a chink

With capitalist outsourcing and globalization, nobody wins.

Historical evidence and analysis of the 1989 Tiananmen Square Protest should be included on the silkscreen of all PCBs from now on as an ideological weapon against chinkery.

CIDF and Blackpillanon have popped up in the thread too. Great.

>>982783

>cheap trash subsidised by totalitarian ding dong bannu-tier knockoff communism

>good

>>982866

quality high-magnesium post

>>982870

>(((BMC)))

Out Of Band management was a mistake

management is always a mistake


 No.982890

>>982780

>implying they think that a covert but massive botnet operation is underway


 No.982892>>982894 >>982904 >>982993 >>983772 >>999843

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>>982628

China is fueled by Jews. Their new "host" has been carefully chosen. They won.


 No.982893>>982895 >>983474

>>982873

These were the installed hardware backdoors that were found.

How many are undiscovered?

Over the decades, the security of the supply chain became an article of faith despite repeated warnings by Western officials. A belief formed that China was unlikely to jeopardize its position as workshop to the world by letting its spies meddle in its factories. That left the decision about where to build commercial systems resting largely on where capacity was greatest and cheapest. “You end up with a classic Satan’s bargain,” one former U.S. official says. “You can have less supply than you want and guarantee it’s secure, or you can have the supply you need, but there will be risk. Every organization has accepted the second proposition.”

In the three years since the briefing in McLean, no commercially viable way to detect attacks like the one on Supermicro’s motherboards has emerged---or has looked likely to emerge. Few companies have the resources of Apple and Amazon, and it took some luck even for them to spot the problem. “This stuff is at the cutting edge of the cutting edge, and there is no easy technological solution,” one of the people present in McLean says. “You have to invest in things that the world wants. You cannot invest in things that the world is not ready to accept yet.”


 No.982894>>982904

>>982892

The Zucc marriage to the Chinese mafia don's daughter was the nail in the coffin tbh.

BYE BYE WEIMERICA!


 No.982895

>>982893

>A belief formed that China was unlikely to jeopardize its position as workshop to the world by letting its spies meddle in its factories

It was too tempting

Did CIA spooks do this?

This will be Chins's claim if the chips are real


 No.982897>>982914

File (hide): fe75a2dae00a5b3⋯.webm (1.11 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, Sam Hyde - The Chinese.webm) (h) (u) [play once] [loop]

>>982580 (OP)

Never has this webm been more relevant.

>>982867

In addition to this: >>982881

...both Apple and Amazon have a large number of chinamen working for them. Chinamen that are naturalized American citizens but which have relatives in China, and also Chinamen that are not American citizens at all.

It's very possible that these corporations have a bias towards protecting the reputation of the Chinese government. They could have Chinese employees conspiring to this end without the knowledge of non-Chinese employees who are socially conditioned to be offended by the thought of even considering the possibility (How dare you suggest that Chinese citizens may not be loyal to the strategic interests of America?! That's racist!)


 No.982904>>982913 >>983002 >>983207

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>>982894

>>982892

>alarmist /pol/tards who can't read subtext

These are still American companies and not all the components are even from China. This is more likely a CIA false flag to "convince" Apple to start moving assembly over to the USA to carefully consider a closer audit of their security hardware in Americas interests. It's 4D Chess


 No.982906>>982907

>>982905

Thanks for your input, but please read what this thread is actually about before commenting again.


 No.982907

>>982906

I slightly misread what the original anon said tbh


 No.982908

File (hide): 0aa76898ae26016⋯.jpg (116.79 KB, 850x637, 850:637, 0aa76898ae2601668b1e77ac1f….jpg) (h) (u)

>>982882

Now there's a thought.


 No.982913

>>982904

>It's 4D Chess

Commit homicide.


 No.982914

>>982897

Mass shooter announces his plan for Asian genocide (TRIGGER WARNING)


 No.982925>>982941

>>982835

This, once you get an NSL you say what the NSL tells you to say.


 No.982941>>982948

>>982925

...if you're a faggot.


 No.982948

>>982941

Do you doubt the faggotry of Apple and Amazon?


 No.982993

>>982892

>jews getting jewed by the asian jew


 No.983001

>lol hardware backdoors don't exis-


 No.983002>>983009

File (hide): 9a9bd25d00cf467⋯.png (349.2 KB, 417x429, 139:143, absolutely-civic.png) (h) (u)

>>982904

>it's 4d chess


 No.983007>>983207 >>983759

>>982889

So what is it about the obsession with tiannanmen? What's the end goal of spamming that? I can understand mentioning it to piss off the chinks from a thread, but do they even care? And if they get pissed off by it whats the point of reminding them that? To make them dive back further into the embrafe of the communist collective?


 No.983008

File (hide): 4b5bff38ff7da8d⋯.png (4.98 KB, 147x148, 147:148, .png) (h) (u)

I wouldn't worry about it


 No.983009

>>983002

>implying

fuck you cia nigger


 No.983013

>>982873

There's this place in Bulgaria that has been making ARM boards for some time.

http://linux-sunxi.org/Olimex


 No.983018>>983480

>>982883

I don't know anything about that model of phone, but it's not like there's a realistic option of buying an American made phone.

Even if you did the design yourself, who knows what gets added during fabrication. As Amazon and Apple found out.


 No.983141>>983144 >>983182 >>983207

>>982680

六四天安门事件

1989年天安门广场大屠杀

1989年天安門廣場大屠殺


 No.983144

>>983141

We do it for free.


 No.983147>>983212

Betcha $50 it was just two or three hardcoded exploits for the Intel ME.


 No.983182

>>983141

Everything has happened once in China, it's 3 times the size of the USA. Who cares again?


 No.983207>>983479

>>983141

fuck off moshe

>>982883

>Did I fuck up?

Live in china? maybe

Don't? no

>>983007

>but do they even care?

We don't. It is basically your cianiggers trying to rile up hatred against china by astroturfing.

>>982904

nu-/pol/ is CIA now. Did you think the chosen ones will not flood the board after it was discussed so much in mainstream?

>>982680

Thanks. If you think about it China must be a technological genius to pull this off. Yet, everywhere we (((hear))) China is technologically inferior. Hmm. Sounds a lot like that baby-nazi narrative. Nazi's are powerless babies, yet they are doing super evil things. How?


 No.983208

>>982663

>the only way to be free is to be offline

Just buy stuffs from countries which don't have jurisdiction on where you live.


 No.983209>>983217

>>982587

>firewalls to filter out any inbound AND outbound traffic from and to China.

are you insane?


 No.983212

>>983147

You're very likely right on the money. Exploits for the Intel ME would be far cheaper and achieve the same effects as inserting more hardware for surveillance purposes.


 No.983217

>>982587

>>983209

>are you insane?

China already filters the shit out of the internet. Cutting china's network access to the internet wouldn't be a loss imo.


 No.983230

File (hide): eb83622bd0bd218⋯.jpg (45.93 KB, 480x600, 4:5, nixon.jpg) (h) (u)

<-- This asshole is to blame. Seriously. He should have never gone to China. No free nation can have a friendly relationship with any dictatorship. To do so is an unacceptable ethical compromise.


 No.983314

>>982587

you need to LARP harder


 No.983316

>>982580 (OP)

>that link

rm --no-preserve-root -rf /


 No.983320

>http://archive.is/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

>when you're trying to read news about the latest corporate backdoors and you get ONE MORE STEP ONE MORE STEP ONE MORE STEP | ATTENTION REQUIRED | CUCKFLARE

fuck this gay earth


 No.983339>>983343 >>983345 >>983428 >>983438 >>983471 >>983586 >>983716

I wonder how free market idiots will defend this.


 No.983343

>>983339

>I want to use jew chips but don't want to get jewed

Don't like it? Don't buy it.


 No.983345>>983356

>>983339

Obviously fascism is the answer to keeping production of mission critical infrastructure out of the hands of your communist enemies.


 No.983356>>983362

>>983345

Yes, we should produce them locally in the USA just like (((intel))).


 No.983362>>983363

>>983356

What's your argument? (((Intel))) produces their chips in China with Chinese labor under Chinese supervision.


 No.983363>>983364 >>983365

>>983362

Wrong. Majority of Intel fabs are in America.


 No.983364>>983365

>>983363

(And the others are Europe and Israel)


 No.983365>>983366 >>983369

>>983363

>majority

source?

>>983364

>others in europe and israel

It sounds like you're claiming that Intel doesn't make CPUs in China but they actually do. The majority of their CPUs are made in China. Typical Jewish Intel tricks by a Jewish Intel shill.


 No.983366>>983371

>>983365

Just Google it faggot. Cheap arm shit is fabbed in China not good shit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_sites


 No.983369>>983371

>>983365

Obama literally banned sending Intel server CPUs to China.


 No.983371>>983373

>>983369

>>983366

>only new plant opened in the last decade is in china


 No.983373>>983383

>>983371

>That Fab is for ssds and makes no CPUs.

>It's literally only one


 No.983383>>983553 >>983595

>>983373

>doesn't matter because all Intel motherboards are made in China

>CPUs are "fabbed" in the USA but wafers are cut and packaged in China


 No.983428>>983446

File (hide): 95fbf149fce225b⋯.png (36.83 KB, 646x547, 646:547, The market corrects itself.png) (h) (u)

>>983339

>I wonder how free market idiots will defend this.

Like so.


 No.983438

>>983339

Obviously botnet motherboards are what the market dictates, feds and sensitive companies are free to buy organic, locally grown electronics.


 No.983446


 No.983471

>>983339

>some shit got backdoored

>it's because of the free market

>check mate, libertarians


 No.983474

>>982893

>Over the decades, the security of the supply chain became an article of faith despite repeated warnings by Western officials. A belief formed that China was unlikely to jeopardize its position as workshop to the world by letting its spies meddle in its factories.

If this is true, it will have implications for Asian electronic manufacturing

In other words, China's main source of income.

This is why some in the west wonder how China could be so careless...or whether it was a rogue Chink op(or a false flag CIA op)


 No.983479>>983480

>>983207

The MateBook X Pro is a laptop, not a phone.


 No.983480


 No.983481

anyone who still relies on a BMC chip anyway is a businesscuck and a pseudojew

BMC is for losers


 No.983484

>>982580 (OP)

>In all, 17 people confirmed the manipulation of Supermicro’s hardware and other elements of the attacks. The sources were granted anonymity because of the sensitive, and in some cases classified, nature of the information.

Literally no corroborating evidence other that '17 anonymous sources.' The kikes jumped the shark on this one, and even normalfags no longer trust (((Bloomberg))).


 No.983539

>>982596

I keep telling you guys to design a CPU and send it to Sam Zeloof


 No.983553

File (hide): 9c4ffc207ccd8fd⋯.jpg (33.26 KB, 320x320, 1:1, When_We_Was_Fab.jpg) (h) (u)

>>983383

Does he have a production line that's not in China?


 No.983586

>>983339

There's no free market, it's all oligopoly.


 No.983595

>>983383

>Grasping at straws


 No.983713

>>982882

>Either that or it was all orchestrated so the chinese could be a scapegoat

There is a very important angle that shouldn't be dismissed offhand. The CIA has developed tools for years to mask or frame their dirty work as coming from other states.

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_14588467.html


 No.983716>>983779

>>983339

>Chinese government-affiliated groups managed to infiltrate the supply chain to install tiny surveillance chips to motherboards

<free markets did this

What are you on about?


 No.983759

>>983007

>being this new

You know how this works:

>>>/lurkmoar/


 No.983772

>>982892

True, but the tide is turning. There's not a rosy future awaiting the Tribe when the Chinese are in power.


 No.983779

>>983716

You're replying to an NPC.


 No.983787>>983789

>>982879

I don't think I will join the military because of the time commitment and because I don't feel that it's fighting for anything of value, but god damn if we went to war with China I'd be happy to blast some communist surveillance state 1984-tier chinks. In fact this is my ideal scenario and one of the only things that would get me to join.

if you're reading this uncle Sam, please make it happen.


 No.983789>>983804 >>983899

>>983787

Ironically it was probably your surveillance state US government that did this, and is passing off the blame to China


 No.983804>>983807

>>983789

Yeah the Chinese don't spy and stuff, you sound like you're really clued in and stuff.


 No.983807>>983808

>>983804

Maybe they do it a lot less than your shabbos goys do moshe?

This thread needs some real RED-pill

CIA up to no good again. The anti China smear campaign is a washington creation done via its fake

NGO, the National Endowment for Democracy (NED).

>How many Americans could identify the National Endowment for Democracy? An organization

which often does exactly the opposite of what its name implies. The **NED was set up in the

early 1980s under President Reagan in the wake of all the negative revelations about the CIA** in the

second half of the 1970s. The latter was a remarkable period. Spurred by Watergate -- the Church

committee of the Senate, the Pike committee of the House, and the Rockefeller Commission, created by

the president, were all busy investigating the CIA. Seemingly every other day there was a new headline

about the discovery of some awful thing, even criminal conduct, the CIA had been mixed up in for

years. The Agency was getting an exceedingly bad name, and it was causing the powers- that-be much

embarrassment.

>**Something had to be done. What was done was not to stop doing these awful things. Of course not.

What was done was to shift many of these awful things to a new organization, with a nice sounding

name -- The National Endowment for Democracy. The idea was that the NED would do somewhat

overtly what the CIA had been doing covertly for decades, and thus, hopefully, eliminate the stigma

associated with CIA covert activities.**

>Thus it was that in 1983, the National Endowment for Democracy was set up to "support democratic

institutions throughout the world through private, nongovernmental efforts". **Notice the

"nongovernmental" -- part of the image, part of the myth. In actuality, virtually every penny of its

funding comes from the federal government**, as is clearly indicated in the financial statement in each

issue of its annual report. NED likes to refer to itself as an NGO (Non-governmental organization)

because this helps to maintain a certain credibility abroad that an official US government agency might

not have.

>**Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, declared in 1991: "A lot of

what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA."**

Trojan Horse: The National Endowment for Democracy -- William Blum

https://williamblum.org/chapters/rogue-state/trojan-horse-the-national-endowment-for-democracy

Remember, all these lying shills who claim China is horrible bla bla bla have ZERO PROOF. Ask them

for the proof and inevitably they cite western propagandists like Voice of America, Radio Free Asia,

National Endowment for Democracy (NED), and other FAKE grass roots groups.

Posted by: informant | Sep 14, 2018 3:45:14 AM | 46

Source: http://www.moonofalabama.org/


 No.983808>>983809

>>983807

The National Endowment for Democracy (NED) is headed by Carl Gershman. In 1968, he worked in

the research department of B'nai B'rith, and in 1972 he served on the Governing Council of the

American Jewish Committee.

Here is a list of projects NED funds:

China (mainland):

- Advancing Women’s Rights: $60,000

- Assistance for Human Rights Defenders: $272,000

(Probably money for an organization called Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) which has no

street address, but two persons employed in Washington DC and one in Hong Kong,

https://www.nchrd.org)

- Building Advocacy Capacity and Empowering Civil Society to Protect Human Rights: $412,300

- Capacity Building for Human Rights Defenders: $300,000

(Probably also for Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD))

- Combating Censorship and Supporting Free Expression: China Digital Times, Inc. : $340,000

(https://chinadigitaltimes.net. No street address is given, but it is: «Supported by the Berkeley Counter-

Power Lab»)

- Defending and Assisting Rights Defenders: $60,000

(Probably also for Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD))

- Defending Journalists’ Rights: $65,000

- Democratic China Electronic Journal, Democratic China, Inc.: $180,000

(This is the same organization as the one late Liu Xiaobo and his wife Liu Xia’s had. For their NED-

funding during the years 2005-2010, see: https://blog.hiddenharmonies.org/2017/07/13/liu-xiaobo-rip-

but-we-should-never-forget-the-14-million-yuan-from-ned/)

- Empowering Environmental Rights Activists: $110,570

- Empowering Workers: $75,000

- Engaging Critical Analysis and Political Discourse: $140,000

- Ensuring Free and Open Access to Online Information: $200,100

- Humanitarian Assistance for Human Rights Defenders: $40,000

(Probably also for Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD))

- Monitoring Media Freedom, Freedom House: $85,000

- Promoting Democratic Ideas and Values: $150,000

- Promoting Democratic Values, Wei Jingsheng Foundation, Inc.: $68,100

(Wei got in 1997 «National Endowment for Democracy Award». The foundation is based in

Washington DC, http://weijingsheng.org)

- Providing Information and Analysis on China’s Human Rights, China Change: $73,000

(Washington DC, https://chinachange.org)

- Raising Public Awareness of Civil Society Developments in China, Center for International Private

Enterprise (CIPE): $215,643

(Washington DC, https://www.cipe.org)

- Religious Freedom, Rights Defense, and Rule of Law: $40,000

- Strengthening Civil Society for Policy and Legal Accountability: $172,000

- Strengthening Organizational and Advocacy Capacity for Community-Based Organizations: $110,000

- Strengthening the Rule of Law to Protect Human Rights and Public Participation Rule of Law:

$280,000

- Strengthening Worker Rights and Representation: $90,000

- Supporting and Empowering Human Rights Lawyers: $238,000

(Probably China Human Rights Lawyers Concern Group in Hong Kong, http://www.chrlawyers.hk/en)

- Supporting Civic Participation in Public Governance, Center for International Private Enterprise

(CIPE): $234,160

(Washington DC, https://www.cipe.org)

- Supporting Free Expression and Open Debate, Princeton China Initiative: $40,000

(Connected with Perry Link, http://www.princeton.edu/paw/archive_new/PAW04-05/08-

0209/perspective.html)

- Supporting Grassroots NGOs: $90,000

- Supporting Labor Rights: $63,500

- Sustaining Civil Society in a Repressive Operating Environment, International Republican Institute

(IRI): $600,000

(Washington DC, https://www.iri.org)

-Worker Rights Awareness, Solidarity Center (SC): $335,650

(Washington DC, https://www.solidaritycenter.org)

Tibet:

- A Symposium for Tibetan Intellectuals and Artists, Filming for Tibet: $60,000


 No.983809>>983810

>>983808

(Switzerland, http://www.filmingfortibet.org)

- Amplifying Voices from Tibet, The Tibet Relief Fund of the United Kingdom: $22,150

(London, http://www.tibetrelieffund.co.uk)

- Building Networks in Defense of Rights and the Environment, Students for a Free Tibet, Inc.: $40,000

(New York, https://www.studentsforafreetibet.org)

- Demton Khang, The Tibet Museum: $210,000

(Dharamsala, India, http://tibetmuseum.org)

- Empowering a New Generation of Tibetan Leaders, Rights Action Lab Inc.: $50,000

(No address. But they write: Rights Action Lab is incorporated in the United States as a Not-for-Profit

Organization, http://rightsactionlab.org)

- Tibetan Centre for Human Rights and Democracy: $35,500

(Dharamsala, http://tchrd.org)

- International Advocacy for Human Rights in Tibet, Tibet Justice Center: $58,000

(Oakland, CA, http://www.tibetjustice.org)

- Promoting Conflict Resolution and Democratic Processes, Tibetan Centre for Conflict Resolution:

$25,000

(Dharamsala, http://www.tccr.org)

- Strengthening International Support for Human Rights in Tibet, International Tibet Network:

$110,000

(San Francisco, CA, https://tibetnetwork.org)

- Strengthening the Tibetan Movement, Campaigning and Leadership Training Students for a Free

Tibet, Inc.: $50,000

(New York, https://www.studentsforafreetibet.org)

- Tibet Express Newspaper, Khawa Karpo Tibet Culture Centre: $35,000

(Dharamsala, http://tibetexpress.net)

- Tibet Times Newspaper, Tibetan Literacy Society: $43,000

(Probably Dharamsala, http://tibettimes.net)

- Tibetan Community Development Fund Inc.: $33,000

(Washington DC, https://tibetoffice.org/tdcf-under-construction)

- Voice of Tibet: Independent Shortwave Tibetan Radio: $34,700

(Based in Norway, https://www.vot.org)

Xinjiang:

- Advocacy and Outreach for Uyghur Human Rights, Uyghur Human Rights Project: $310,000

(Washington DC, https://uhrp.org)

- Uyghur Human Rights Advocacy, World Uyghur Congress: $246,000

(Munich, Germany, http://www.uyghurcongress.org/en)

Hong Kong:

- Expanding Worker Rights and Democracy, Solidarity Center (SC): $130,800

(Washington DC, https://www.solidaritycenter.org)

- Strengthening Democratic Institutions and Human Rights Protection: $105,000

- Supporting Civic Engagement on Fundamental Rights, National Democratic Institute for International

Affairs (NDI): $300,000

(Washington DC, https://www.ndi.org)


 No.983810>>983811

>>983809

Is Langley Unleashing Jihad Against China in Xinjiang?

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/09/15/is-langley-unleashing-jihad-against-china-in-

xinjiang.html

Wilkerson’s description of the subjective thinking of the US military has the ring of truth

(presented here in authentic Pentagonese BLOCK LETTERS, emphasis added in bold):

‘THE FIRST REAL OBJECTIVE IS TO HAVE HARD POWER DIRECTLY NEAR

THE CHINESE BASE ROAD INITIATIVE (BRI) IN CENTRAL ASIA.

...

‘THIRD, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MOUNT AND COVER WITH

HARDPOWER CIA OPERATIONS IN XINJIANG PROVINCE, CHINA’S

WESTERNMOST SECTION. THESE WOULD BE OPERATIONS AIMED AT

USING THE SOME 20 MILLION UIGHURS IN THAT PROVINCE TO

DESTABLIZE THE GOVERNMENT IN BEIJING SHOULD WE SUDDENLY FIND

OURSELVES AT WAR WITH THAT COUNTRY.

...


 No.983811>>983812

>>983810

Funding sources for 2049 institute, including Ian Eaton, the person who had been advocating the imminent Taiwan Strait war in recent years self.Sino

This Ian Easton dude had been advocating for a Taiwan strait war since he entered the profession of jounalism, voicing his opinions as if he is from a think tank. I found their funding source on the website, basically they are paid by the government of US, Taiwan, Japan, and Korea, some largest weapon makers, and propaganda funds:

BAE

Center for Global Partnership/Japan Foundation

DynCorp

Embassy of Japan

Koo Fisheries

Lockheed Martin

Japan External Trade Organization

(((National Endowment for Democracy)))

Northrop Grumman

Office of the Secretary of Defense/Office of Net Assessment

(((Open Society Foundation)))

Ploughshares Fund

Point Bello

Prospect Foundation

Qualcomm

SAIC

Sasakawa Peace Foundation

SBD Advisors

Scaife Foundation

Smith Richardson Foundation

RAND Corporation

Republic of China (Taiwan) Ministry of National Defense

Republic of Korea (South Korea) National Police Agency

Republic of Korea (South Korea) Ministry of National Defense

Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office

U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission

U.S. State Department


 No.983812>>983813 >>984180

>>983811

CIA Director Gina Haspel:

China is "working to

diminish U.S. influence"

CIA Director Gina Haspel said China's efforts to expand its global influence are

of high interest to the agency, citing Beijing's investments and loans to poorer

nations that may be hard-pressed to repay them. She referred to them as

"tactics" the CIA is watching.

"We do monitor very closely what appears to be an effort to expand their

influence beyond their own region in places like Africa, Latin America, the

Pacific Islands, South Asia," Haspel said, during a rare public appearance to give

remarks at her alma mater, the University of Louisville in Kentucky.

"We are concerned by some of the tactics they use offering poor countries

investments and loans that perhaps those countries are not going to be able to

repay, and we want those countries to be aware...how foreign investment in their

infrastructure and their national security infrastructure can ultimately

compromise their sovereignty," she said.

Almost 84 percent of China's $734 billion investment in construction projects

worldwide went to low- and middle-income economies between 2005 and 2017,

according to the Center for Strategic & International Studies' China Power

Project, which tracks China's investments overseas. The American Enterprise

Institute valued China's overall investments and construction projects overseas

at nearly $1.9 trillion in 2018.

"Unfortunately, I think [China is] working to diminish U.S. influence in order to

advance their own goals" in the Asia Pacific and beyond, Haspel said during a

moderated question-and-answer session that followed her remarks. She did not

take questions from the audience or the press at the event.

The appearance at Louisville was among Haspel's first since becoming CIA

director, a role she has assumed and executed, concertedly, with minimal

publicity. Her confirmation process in May was punctuated by protests and

controversy related to her involvement in the agency's post-9/11 rendition and

interrogation programs, which she has vowed not to restart. Aleksandr Kogan: The link

between Cambridge Analytica

and Facebook

During her prepared remarks on Monday, Haspel outlined her top priorities for

the agency as director, citing first the need to "champion diversity and inclusion

at CIA," while conceding the agency had "a way to go." Why Bill and Melinda Gates

put 20,000 students through

college

"I want every officer to have equal opportunities to succeed," she said, offering

early anecdotes from her own 30-year career at what she said at the time was a

"thoroughly male-dominated organization."

"I managed to do well as an operations officer, and I did what I could to help

bring down some of the barriers I had faced," she said.


 No.983813>>983814

>>983812

Echoing some of her predecessors, Haspel also said the agency would shift some

of its focus from counterterrorism, which consumed significant agency resources

for years after 9/11, to nation-state adversaries, which she declined to name. She

stressed that the CIA would seek to increase the number of officers serving

overseas, to boost foreign language training, and to strengthen partnerships with

the agency's domestic sister agencies and its foreign counterparts.

play VIDEO

Brett Kavanaugh: "I'm not going

anywhere"

She also said the CIA would invest more heavily in counter-narcotics efforts

abroad.

"No foreign challenge has had a more direct and devastating impact on American

families and communities...than the flow of opioids and other drugs into our

country," she said.

She touted the CIA as the "keeper of the human intelligence mission," citing the

importance of human sources in delivering intelligence on adversaries' secrets

and, occasionally, their intentions -- and which often informs materials included

in the President's Daily Brief, she said.

In her discussion with the event's moderator, a former advisor to Senate

Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, Haspel said she, along with a

briefing team, Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and National Security

Adviser John Bolton, meet with President Trump several times a week to deliver

his intelligence briefing. Though she was not directly asked about the president's

attacks on the country's law enforcement and intelligence communities --

including the case of former CIA director John Brennan, whose security

clearance Trump revoked last month in what was widely seen as an act of

political retribution -- Haspel said CIA's workforce was "very resilient" and

"extremely mission-focused."

"We tend not to pay attention to the political fray," she said.

She praised President Trump for establishing a dialogue with North Korean

leader Kim Jong Un, a development she said meant the U.S. is "certainly in a

better place than we were in 2017," though she said Kim was unlikely to take

steps to denuclearize quickly.

play VIDEO

Tiger Woods in 2006: I’m

addicted to golf

play VIDEO

Sen. Klobuchar on Kavanaugh

witnesses

"I believe that the North Koreans view their capability as leverage and I don't

think that they want to give it up easily," she said.

She also criticized Iran and the resources it had spent to prop up the Assad

regime in Syria and wield influence in Iraq. "We are watching very closely Iran's

malign activity in the region and we'd like to push back against that activity so

those countries can carve their own courses," she said.

Throughout her remarks and the conversation that followed them, Haspel

offered several other, more personal details, including details about CIA

colleagues and mentors who lost their lives while serving overseas and

experiences of her own that have shaped her approach to leadership. She

indicated her own style would be deliberate and considered.

"I try to remember the words 'slowly, slowly' when faced with a difficult

challenge," Haspel said.

And twice, she cited former director of intelligence George Tenet, who led the

agency from 1996 to 2004. "CIA doesn't do easy; the hard jobs come to us," she

said.


 No.983814>>983815

>>983813

Trump is gutting the National

Endowment for Democracy, and that’s a

good thing

By Stephen Kinzer

THANK YOU, President Trump! Finally you have made a foreign policy

recommendation that is logical, overdue, and in the long-term interest of the

United States. Congress will probably reject it, but you deserve credit for

making the effort.

Trump’s budget for the coming fiscal year proposes to gut the National

Endowment for Democracy by cutting two-thirds of its budget. The

endowment is one of the main instruments by which the United States

subverts and undermines foreign governments. In a less Orwellian world, it

might be called the “National Endowment for Attacking Democracy.” Cutting

the budget would signal that we are re-thinking our policy of relentlessly

interfering in the politics of other countries.

That kind of interference is the National Endowment’s mission. Whenever the

government of another country challenges or defies the United States,

questions the value of unrestrained capitalism, limits the rights of foreign

corporations, or adopts policies that we consider socialist, the Endowment

swings into action. It pours over $170 million each year into labor unions,

political factions, student clubs, civic groups, and other organizations

dedicated to protecting or installing pro-American regimes. From Central

America to Central Asia, it is a vivid and familiar face of US intervention.

President Ronald Reagan established the program in 1983, following years of

scandals that tarnished the Central Intelligence Agency. Soon it took over

many of the tasks that the CIA used to perform. When the United States

wanted to interfere in the Italian election of 1948, for example, the CIA did

the job. Decades later, when Washington sought to push its favored candidate

into the presidency of Nicaragua, our instrument was the National

Endowment for Democracy. More recently, it has sought to influence

elections in Mongolia, Albania, Bulgaria, and Slovakia. “A lot of what we do

today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA,” one of the organization’s

founders explained during the 1990s.

By its own account, the Endowment is “on the leading edge of democratic

struggles everywhere,” donating money to “groups abroad who are working

for democratic goals.” Its central principle is that the only proper way to run a

country is the American way. Governments that disagree become its targets.

Because its job is to shape the course of other countries, the Endowment has

become a darling of Washington’s regime-change crowd. Shortly after

ordering invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, President George W. Bush pushed

to double its budget. That made sense, because bombing and organizing

“peaceful” revolutions are two ways of achieving the same goal: forcing

countries to bend to our will. Both reflect our insistence on judging foreign

governments, deciding which may survive and which must be attacked.

Leaders of the Endowment include some of our country’s most militant

interventionists. One of its board members is Elliott Abrams, who helped

direct anti-Sandinista projects in Nicaragua during the 1980s and was later

convicted of lying to Congress about the Iran-Contra affair. Another is

Victoria Nuland, who as assistant secretary of state in 2016 flew to Ukraine to

encourage protesters to overthrow their government.

Many grants are funneled through two sub-groups that reflect the bipartisan

Washington consensus favoring intervention in foreign countries. One, the

International Republican Institute, is run by a board headed by Senator John


 No.983815>>983817

>>983814

McCain, who never saw a war he didn’t like and salivates at the thought of

deposing unfriendly regimes. Its counterpart, the National Democratic

Institute, is headed by Madeleine Albright, who famously pronounced the

principle that the United States should guide the world because “we are the

indispensable nation, we stand tall and we see further than other countries.”

Abrams, Nuland, McCain, and Albright exemplify the interventionist mindset

that has brought the United States and the world so much pain and grief. The

National Endowment for Democracy is one of their cherished projects.

McCain protested the proposed budget cut by saying group’s mission “is at the

heart of who we are as a country.” So it is.

As soon as the leftist Hugo Chavez was elected president of Venezuela 20

years ago, the Endowment began pouring money into Venezuelan opposition

groups. It has also subsidized groups working to undermine Presidents Oscar

Arias of Costa Rica, Jean-Bertrand Aristide of Haiti, and Manuel Zelaya of

Honduras, all of whom committed the sin of pursuing independent foreign

policies. In 2013 the Endowment issued a report saying that “Russia remains

the main priority country.” Soon afterward, the Russian government

announced that it was banning the Endowment from operating on its

territory.

In response, the organization has intensified its efforts build anti-Russia

movements in nearby countries, focusing on Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova,

Georgia, Serbia, Kosovo, and Bosnia-Herzegovina. It provides training

material and advice on how to publish newspapers, run computer networks,

and organize political meetings. Once a group agrees to accept American

money, the Endowment hails it as an “independent” agent of freedom and

liberation.

American politicians and news outlets are howling about Russian interference

in our last presidential election. Against this background, the National

Endowment for Democracy seems more glaringly hypocritical than ever.

Promoting democracy is a wonderful idea. We should begin at home. If we

want other countries not to meddle in our politics, we should refrain from

meddling in theirs.


 No.983816

>the Chinese spy starts his pilpul dump


 No.983817>>983820

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>>983815

And if you want to know what Shitstein was planning about China before dying.


 No.983820

>>983817

So glad that prick was executed along with old man Rothschild.


 No.983846>>983904 >>983938 >>983948

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This is the USA beating the war drums getting everyone pumped for war with China. Good. It's a war China will lose. Slimy fucks need to humble the fuck up and learn what country propped them up for the past 30 years. They need to step the fuck back from their neighbors they've been bullying for the past couple of decades. Its time someone finally showed those slant-eyed fucks the paper dragon they've been setting up. The war in the middle east was a fucking joke because nobody wanted it. A war with China though? That's a war I would support. A war worth fighting again.


 No.983899>>983948

>>983789

that's also probably true. at the moment though China is, IMHO, one of the world's largest problems and a threat to humanity's future. they've already implemented a 1984-esque surveillance state, social credits, etc. The people are truly like insects for the most part. They send their people overseas to fuck up our markets, our housing systems and culture because they do not integrate. They are essentially at odds with Western society, or at least what is good in Western society. The chink gov't forces it's people to live like subhumans, which I guess they are anyway, but it's not a good precedent for the rest of the world which seems to be hell bent on fucking their own people over too. And (again just my opinion) technology is humanity's number one problem today, and it will be our downfall pretty soon. The vast majority of """progress""" in the last 50 years, even more so the last 30, and even more than that in the last decade, has not really improved our quality of life. I'd say people overall are less happy than they were a few decades ago.

Once you have electricity, running water and heat, you can get food, health services, and a host of other creature comforts and luxuries, you're living at an unprecedented level of comfort in human history. a new selfie camera and a stupid dumbfuck botnet/meme apps aren't progress, they're destroying us, and to tie back to my main point China is pretty much the epitome of this. in short fuck china and I hope the US nukes the chinese government back into the stone age.


 No.983900>>983974

>>982586

>Taiwanese

Taiwan is not mainland China


 No.983904>>983948

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>>983846

unironically this, even if you're a CIA glowie. I'd go to war if it were to liberate China, and it would be glorious.


 No.983938>>983948

>>983846

I'd love to see China annihilated, my brothers and sisters must be freed from the botnet.


 No.983948>>984036 >>984075 >>984120 >>984157 >>984164

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>>983899

>>983846

>>983904

>>983938

Look at these CIA shills.

The US cannot win a war against goatfuckers in Afghanistan, mudslimes in Syria. What are the chances it will have against China? You mean your zogbot army will annihilate China? Good luck. You could not win in Vietnam and "We will be back before thanksgiving" Korea. I hope your shabbos goys are ready to face second/third best weapon technology in the world, while they get slaughtered in desert against third world shit. Also get ready to sacrifice a lot of your soyboys in a conventional war. And remember they have nukes and it may be painful for you to admit, but they can deliver.

I do not think all of these fearmongering will lead to war. It is all a smear campaign to sanction and reduce business with China.

China will prevail and will shit on US in coming decades.


 No.983974

>>983900

Taiwan is the only real China that exists. All of the other Chinese were murdered by the communists.


 No.984036

>>983948

>muh nukes

solution:

stop LARPing

stop playing treefort war

stop playing us vs them

etc

problem solved


 No.984075>>984120 >>984133 >>984155

>>983948

The USA could stomp the shit out of China, you kike. In a total war scenario and without NBC usage we could depopulate their major cities in one hour.


 No.984120

>>983948

not a shill faggot

<comparing an insurgency to an actual war

you must be retarded. a full scale war without nukes wouldn't be the same, with nukes everyone would die anyway.

>China will prevail

t. botnet chink

>>984075

this.


 No.984133>>984135

>>984075

China could do the same in that scenario, they'd get hit with 2k nukes and the US with ~300. Maybe the US would win due to better weapons and far more experience or China would due to superior manpower, but either way the "winner" would be a sad joke at the end of the war. It's even more nonsensical than a war against the Soviets.


 No.984134

>thread about this made on /pol/

>deleted instantly

>second thread made

>deleted instantly

>third thread made

>slid with junk posting and then anchored

What do the Chinese-Israeli /pol/ mods mean by this?


 No.984135

>>984133

The Chinese have no navy, very few nukes, very few ICBMs, and their subs are ancient and noisy. We'd be fine.


 No.984149

>>982580 (OP)

>17 anonymous sources

>no other sources

>take this article seriously

kys


 No.984155>>984165

>>984075

This type of inflammatory posting style and how it translates to IRL is why every country will team up to destroy America. You've got 10 years at best amerinigger gl.


 No.984157

>>983948

>You could not win in Vietnam

But we did, we just took infantry off the ground. At the end of the day we forced them to adopt a market driven economy and cooperate with NATO through economic warfare

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Đổi_Mới

>The US cannot win a war against goatfuckers in Afghanistan, mudslimes in Syria

The point of the war in the Middle east isn't to "win" it's an intervention at best and at worst is intentionally perpetual to maintain NATO presence in the region. The USA could easily destroy China. Their closest neighbors all hate them. India, South Korea, Japan, Indonesia.etc and their growing need for resources is going to be their ultimate downfall. Beijing is responsible for too many people, a growing Middle class is pushing them to Africa to keep export prices low. Who are you kidding? Even if the USA miraculously loses China will still ultimately bulkanize sooner or later


 No.984164

>>983948

>Defending China regardless of what you think of the USA

Kill yourself, or better yet move to China so we don't have to see your retarded posts anymore as you're censored behind the great firewall


 No.984165>>984178

>>984155

<you may live to see USA flatten chinkistan, then devolve into civil war while ruskies help the insurgency in america

a man can dream


 No.984178>>984182

>>984165

Here's a tip, China provided assistance to North Korea in terms of design and engineering. We sent a couple Rods From God into their mile deep lab and blew it the fuck out, and then offered the olive branch to North Korea in exchange for peace. They were offered, in return, status as a real nation and not just an apparatchik of the chicoms and Ruissa.

Watch this shit happen in real time now, what I say is true.


 No.984180

>>983812

>Gina Haspel

War criminal by the way. She's one of the most evil people in the CIA currently.


 No.984182>>984199

>>984178

and how do you know this


 No.984199

>>984182

Mike Pence told me during a game of handball.


 No.985017>>986884


 No.986884>>987018

>>985017

Why is this story being ignored?


 No.987018>>987384

>>986884

Because everyone has decided to ignore Bloomberg and their shitty journalism.


 No.987384

>>987018

>implying the chinks didn't bug the hardware


 No.987394>>987396 >>987404 >>987429 >>998651

It's just not a big deal even if it's true. I'm not particularly worried about China violating my privacy. Not when the Americans are definitely doing that as much as possible and are definitely a threat to my freedom. Nuke America and then I can worry about China. Until then, it's like worrying about a very angry poodle while being chased by a tiger. Maybe that's a bad analogy, comparing the Chinese to a dog, since they eat dogs, but regardless, China has no power at all over me. Everything has a shitload of backdoors already. One more isn't going to make a difference, not when it's Chinese. If China spies on the west, great. I'm not particularly worried about the privacy of people that are trying to take mine away. They will have the right to complain about it when they stop being goddamn hypocritical pieces of shit. Until then, they can go eat shit in hell. The enemy of my enemy isn't my friend, but it's an enemy that I can tolerate for my own convenience until the worst one is dead.

Also, America would lose in any war against any other country on the planet, unless nukes become an option, and in that case, if both sides have nukes, then everyone is fucked and nobody wins. Whenever a country thinks "it would be easy to defeat x", that is basically proof that they are about to get absolutely destroyed. America has almost always displayed major incompetence when it comes to war. Pretty sure that Russia and China are way more competent and efficient, even if they don't have comparable resources. And they are ruthless, while people in the west are a bunch of pussies. Americans would be complaining about war crimes and muh human rights until the very end, but Russia and China wouldn't give a shit. They would rape and pillage America to death and then burn everything down. The Chinese have no morals, and the Russians only pretend that they do, but you can just read about the shit that they did to the Germans during and after WW2 and you can see that they may very well be the most immoral pieces of shit on the planet. In way, they are basically niggers except not stupid. A dangerous combination. Everyone else is pretty bad too, but Russians are especially bad. I think they could totally win. Then again, looking at history, evil almost always wins, and in this case everyone is evil, so I can't be too sure. It's basically a bunch of countries competing for the honor of being the ones responsible for the nightmarish future to come. All of them have their own version of hell that they want to create, so there's a lot of competition. No matter who wins, everything will be terrible. There are no good futures for humanity. Just another reason to enjoy myself, and drink, and never leave the house.


 No.987396>>987399 >>987400

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>>987394

>Nuke America and then I can worry about China.

>America has almost always displayed major incompetence when it comes to war.

Canada wants you.


 No.987399

>>987396

It has. They fucking lost to rice farmers and we're supposed to feel bad about them because of it.


 No.987400

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>>987396

You don't know what you're talking about. Do you really think I like Canada? Couldn't you feel that I am made of pure hatred when you read my post? Why would you assume that I like anyone? Canadians are shit, and I haven't seen an exception yet. They are piles of human garbage. Canada is just America, really, except with no redeeming qualities and not even one person that has any value, as far as I know. Canada just pretends that it's a country, but in reality it's just another country's hat. They have no culture, no history, and no value to anyone (even America has more of that, so you know it's bad). If they suddenly disappeared from existence, no one would notice, except people that like reading stories about the dumb shit that they do. Fuck Canada.


 No.987404>>987408

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>>987394

>I'm not particularly worried about China violating my privacy.

>Nuke America and then I can worry about China

>If China spies on the west, great.

How? How does someone this stupid actually exist? You'd have to have been a failed abortion AND have been dropped on your head to have made such a mess of a post. The school would never even have taken in such a reject of a person out of fear the other special need kids would make you feel inferior to them. The very theory of evolution would need to be completely reexamined to account for how nature could ever have produced such a blatant mistake of a life form. All universities will have to shut down now because after you were born the average high school drop out suddenly looks like Einstein in comparison. You existing reduces the average IQ of wherever you live to Sub Sahara Africa levels. If you were a women no nigger would ever want to rape you out of fear their offspring would come out too dumb for them. Muslim leaders are now in line for the Nobel Prize in physics for being so much more intelligent next to you. McDonalds is now having to raise the average working wage of all its workers because working their now requires "skilled workers" out of fear you tried to apply. They had to invent a "Special Special Olympics" because the other special Olympics was too hard for you. Flat Earthers are now being taken seriously in the scientific community. Apple now has to invest another billion dollars reworking the UI design of iOS because their designers have determined its too complicated for you. Whenever you walk into a Zoo the Zookeeper now has to warn the animals not to feed you or taunt you.


 No.987408>>987412

>>987404

Why would I care if some irrelevant country does something that relevant countries are already doing a lot more than they ever could? I like when America is forced to taste its own shit for a change.


 No.987412>>987427 >>987429

>>987408

>Defending China regardless of how you feel about the JewSA

Hatred of China is shared among all cultures friend


 No.987427>>987431 >>987440 >>998651

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>>987412

There are so many countries to hate that I would rather leave China for later. China doesn't bother me at the moment. There isn't a single thing that China does that even slightly inconveniences me. They make cheap garbage and quality doesn't exist anymore, but really, I can't blame them for making it when retarded white people keep buying it and loving the taste of shit in their mouths. I have a family unfortunately, I know the absolute garbage that they buy, so I can't blame China. I guess at least the Chinese aren't too good to make their own shit like basically everyone else. They are carrying the global economy by themselves at this point (a good reason to want them dead, so everyone else can finally die as well), since everyone else just wants to be management and HR, because they are so progressive, with their "post-industrial service economies". I hate them so much that even with my bottomless well of hatred, there is barely anything left for the Chinese at this point. China is still even better than India. At least the Chinese know where to shit, that's an accomplishment. They are really advanced subanimals. Hell, they even used to be pretty impressive, a long time ago, though not as long as the west. I would probably nuke the majority of the planet before nuking China, personally. Of course, I would nuke them anyway and I would enjoy it, and it would give me a massive erection, but still, priorities. I would nuke them before Best Korea, though. I mean, look at these paintings, look at how happy they are. Could you really nuke these people when they are this happy? Don't you wish you could live there?


 No.987429>>987468

>>987394

This, but you are slightly wrong. America will win a conventional war without nukes, but with heavy loss. The loss will be so high that it will make all deaths in WWII look like a children's number. If the nukes are involved, everyone is doomed. I am not sure if globalists want to risk a nuke war, but one thing I am sure is that when nukes are on the table China will not absolutely hold back. So it is lose-lose for both parties in both cases. The quicker America falls from its internal decline, the quicker this (((neo-liberal neo-conservative))) SJW of the world will go away.

>>987412

That's what CIA wants you to believe. Only countries that "hate" China, already licks Isn'treals ass clean when it goes to toilet for shit (See Shinzo Abe served on a shoe in Israel). The BDSM between these countries are quite good I must say.


 No.987431

>>987427

Best Korea is beautiful.

China does make good quality products, if you know what to look for.


 No.987440>>987447 >>987469

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>>987427

You don't hate China because you don't know jack shit about China, your American education tells you they just "make all our stuff!"

The Chinese Government is the slimiest pieces of shit on the planet. Mass surveillance, mass censorship, does your retarded ass even understand why Chinese shit is so cheap? Its because the Chinese work for next to nothing. China has one of the lowest GDP per capitas on Earth. Their people are slaves. Taiwan exists solely because they hate the mainland communist government and had once tried to escape from it. China doesn't need to be nuked, because that country is on the verge of collapse anyways. Their growing middle class is forcing the government to enslave niggers in Africa instead in order to keep their products cheap and avoid a trade deficit. That's how their economy works. Keep the Yuan cheap, keep purchasing power high, keep wages low. Rinse and repeat.

>China is still even better than India.

India isn't a country of slaves and they still produce actual art and their government isn't actively trying to destroy their culture


 No.987447

>>987440

Indians are superior, because Indians are whites. We should promote intermarriage between Indians and Whites.


 No.987468>>987484 >>987490

>>987429

Oh, it would be a disaster. Even the "winners" would be so fucked that they would possibly never recover. America in particular is not used to real war. Americans are used to safely attacking other countries from a distance, generally in conflicts that have nothing to do with them to begin with. They aren't used to having their cities demolished and burned, and their women raped so much that most of their population becomes 50% foreign after the war, and their population murdered, tortured physically, and then mentally through enemy propaganda that intends to drive the conquered to suicide. Americans aren't used to having their entire infrastructure bombed until there is nothing left. They aren't used to barely tolerating being in their own cities anymore because of the stench of the corpses under the rubble. Really, the only thing that they are used to is getting angry when the enemy fights back. And then getting their asses kicked and still continuing to believe in the fantasy that they are invulnerable because they have money to spare. If you think about it, a lot of Americans are descendants of Europeans that were running away from one war or another in the first place, so even ethnically they have little precedence. A real war will wake America up, but it will be the most painful experience imaginable. They are not prepared to deal with that. We are talking about people that are still all traumatized by 9/11 when that was nothing compared to a actual war. Modern war is too nightmarish for them to even imagine.


 No.987469>>987490 >>998651

>>987440

None of what you mentioned affects me even slightly and I seriously doubt that it ever will. That's why I don't hate them as much as I could, it just has nothing to do with me, so I place my hatred elsewhere. I don't say that they make everything for any reason other than the fact that they do. Everything that I see is made in China. American education has no effect on someone that isn't even American and even hates America (as everyone should, especially Americans, they definitely should hate what they have become). Anyway, they are not only being enslaved by their own government, they are being enslaved by the rest of the world. Don't forget that American corporations especially have been taking advantage of this slavery from the beginning, and all of this is only possible because people are addicted to buying cheap garbage, and that's why this system worked in the first place, and this will only stop if China collapses or westerners become too poor to buy anything (might be an improvement at this point). The west owns China. We have the money, they have the labor. Especially in America's case, since the dollar is so powerful that they could get away with printing a shitload of money for a long time, and the Chinese still want it no matter what because their entire economy is build around that, and their currency will always be shit compared to the dollar. America absolutely owns China. And the sandniggers, especially the kikes, own America.

This wouldn't have worked if people in the west were actually that much more moral than the Chinese government. Hell, you talk about mass surveillance and censorship like it doesn't happen here. It does, and in the long run it will be even worse than over there because the people doing it over here are much more subtle and that gives them a lot more control over the population than what Stalin himself could have ever hoped for. Even the cheap labor thing is being attempted. That's one of the justifications for mass immigration, isn't it? And the western masses are completely fine with all this, as long as it's here, because people in the west are worthless garbage just like everyone else if not worse. I don't give a shit if it happens in China when it's happening right here and China has absolutely nothing to do with it. I'm not going to worry about the Chinese being fucked by their own government when every government around me wants to do that to me. That's their problem, they can solve it themselves. They don't give a shit about my problems either, and they shouldn't, so it's a fair relationship of not giving a shit about each other. In fact, the people that are against all this when China does it are all suddenly in favor of it when it happens in the west. When it happens over there it's terrible (but we won't stop buying from them and manufacturing everything there, because that would be inconvenient), but when it happens over here it's perfectly fine, or not a big deal. Everyone wants the moral high ground, but no one gives a shit about actually being moral or about taking care of their own problems, so just fuck them. They are all enemies. But still, the most immediate threat is the west itself. China isn't trying to take away my freedom in any way. They are too busy fucking their own people to fuck me, and they aren't about to conquer the west either.

>Their growing middle class is forcing the government to enslave niggers in Africa

And that's a bad thing why? The only negative consequence is that there will be an incentive to allow niggers to continue to exist. Niggers have always benefited from being enslaved, because they are just that incompetent. Other than that, this means the end of slavery for their own people, hypothetically, if it actually works (I have my doubts).


 No.987484

>>987468

Nobody is traumatized by 9/11. Maybe at first because the MSM kept showing that footage of planes hitting the buildings, in order to get everyone riled-up and justify the plan for wars in the middle-east. But that was 15 years ago and I doubt you'll get much emotional reaction from the average american about it today. No, today it's all SJW-related shit being pushed everywhere.


 No.987486>>998651

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 No.987490

>>987468

I know. Americans are only good at fighting small turd world nations and boasting about themselves.

>>987469

>Niggers have always benefited from being enslaved,

This. China is doing what whites could not do.


 No.988739>>990280

>shilling has gone from "china didn't install botnet chips because big tech is afraid to admit they did" to "china is based for botnet"

China's over, kids.


 No.990275

>>982670

fuck off blackpill faggot


 No.990280>>990363

>>988739

It's actually really sad seeing how desperate the 50 cent party is trying to defend their pile of dirt. Even people in China are sick of the communist party constantly spreading blatant propaganda online. I think the Chinese themselves can be good people, but the actual country of China needs to collapse for the word to be a better place, at this point even the Chinese themselves would welcome Chinas collapse with open arms.


 No.990363>>990377

>>990280

>trust us, choy.

>you want to collapse your government, choy

>you should celebrate your downfall, choy

>t. kike

how about, no?


 No.990377>>990393

>>990363

六四天安门广场大屠杀

6月4日天安门广场大屠杀


 No.990393

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>>990377

Oy vey. The afraid merchant posts 1989 meme in a feeble attempt to deflect since he has no reply.


 No.990431

>>982866

Didn't read, but Christ. This faggot took reddit spacing to a whole new level.


 No.998263

Based china


 No.998359>>998595

we need to blockade china till every starts eating dogs again and bomb them back stone age. they are the worst country. they have the real cyber punk society.


 No.998375

>>982866

>The entire western world allowed ALL of their computer manufacturing to end up in a nation state we/they are effectively on rocky terms with at the best of times... and now we are supposed to pretend to be surprised when something like this happens?

That's not remotely true, its largely Chinese propaganda. Most "Chinese" processors come from TSMC, which comes from Taiwan AKA real China and not the fake Commie mainland. Even still there are many chip fabs in America, Samsung just opened on in Texas recently for example, and Intel just finished their Arizona plant.


 No.998595

>>998359

More like China will glass the first party with nuke that gives them the dirty eye. And it will be beautiful.


 No.998651>>998771 >>1003429

>>987427

>>987394

>>987469

You are absolutely correct. People need to learn how to get their priorities straight. Everyone bitches and whines about "muh ebil gommunist chink surveillance" that does not affect them one bit while having even their farts tracked by 10 different american companies. When you get a new smartphone you don't see tencent, baidu, or whatever apps they have over there. No - it's facebook and google spyware that you're not even supposed to be able to remove. China is too busy with mass surveillance on its own citizens and government spying to care about you.

Everyone keeps bringing up how shit life in China is and keep pointing out their insignificant (to anyone who isn't chinese) internal problems like this stupid nigger >>987486. Why the fuck should I give an ounce of shit about car accidents over there and how chinese parents beat their children? It's like people are subconsciously trying to avoid dealing with what is an immediate thread to them and instead focus their energy and hatred towards something that barely affects them. How in the unholy fuck is anything that goes on in China supposed to be my problem while my own country is being flooded with the absolute worst subhuman garbage from the worst places on Earth by my own government?


 No.998752

Chinese companies are under control of Chinese government. So Chinese smartphones or servers sometimes include backdoors.


 No.998771

>>998651

>It's like people are subconsciously trying to avoid dealing with what is an immediate thread to them and instead focus their energy and hatred towards something that barely affects them. How in the unholy fuck is anything that goes on in China supposed to be my problem while my own country is being flooded with the absolute worst subhuman garbage from the worst places on Earth by my own government?

Oy vey, why are you asking these questions? You are not supposed to do that.


 No.998772>>999853 >>999859

File (hide): 1b522b030199414⋯.webm (1.57 MB, 640x360, 16:9, 1989年政治风波.webm) (h) (u) [play once] [loop]

>buy chinese botnet hardware

>install homemade GNU/Linux distro on it

>distro contains mentions of the Tiananmen Square massacre scattered throughout the source code and binaries along with racist Taiwanese puppet shows

>bugmen trying to spy on you get arrested for conspiring against Communism


 No.998818

>Over a month ago

>Still no real answers


 No.999823

>not reverse engineering the backdoor chip

>might be some overpowered military "20 years ahead" tech chip

>free beer

You guys just gotta have the right mindset.


 No.999843>>999904

>>982892

I heard the chinese basically stole all the tech from that lavi plane the israeli were building

So nope, the chinese chinked the jews


 No.999853

>>998772

Great, now I want to replay Cybernator


 No.999859>>999904

>>998772

>along with racist Taiwanese puppet shows

Please tell me more, are based Taiwanfags making fun of the commie mainland?


 No.999890>>999928 >>1003296


 No.999904>>1003345

>>999843

>I heard the chinese basically stole all the tech from that lavi plane the israeli were building

>So nope, the chinese chinked the jews

Good. Based Chinese.

>>999859

Please tell me more, are based Taiwanfags making fun of the commie mainland?

Not among the wisest of ideas.


 No.999928>>1008467 >>1011091

>>999890

I wonder if some friends of (((Bloomberg))) just wanted to buy up some tech companies on the cheap.

>The Bloomberg article -- published on October 3 – wiped more than 40 per cent off Super Micro's share price within a matter of hours. But, despite all the three main companies included in the report – Apple, Amazon and Super Micro – all strenuously denying the story was true, Super Micro's share price has not recovered.

>It hit a low of $12.46 following the story, a gut-wrenching plunge from $21.40, but as of the time of writing, the share price is $14.74. That represents a recovery of 9 per cent but it is still down 31 per cent from before the story was published.


 No.1003296>>1003300 >>1003318

>>999890

The problem is that to protect their own stock values, of COURSE google and amazon would deny everything vehemently. It could crash the US economy if they didn't deny it.


 No.1003300

>>1003296

>Google and Amazon are the US economy

>Still not a single shred of evidence

>Bumping this over and done with thread

Retarded or some agent? Hmmm


 No.1003318

>>1003296

That's the issue.

Even if they truly aren't backdoored, no one would believe them on that as it would be in the best financial interests of those corporations to vehemently deny any shred of evidence for their supply chain or manufacturing being compromised by malicious third-parties. Despite what some of the china-dindu-nuthin larpers around the internet and corporate shills running interference to protect their stocks may tell you- such an attack vector is not only possible, but in all likelihood already in deployment given how useful it'd be to a nation with such far-reaching influence as China. And that's not even considering the fact that the chips themselves can be surreptitiously sabatoged or bugged at the fabrication level, nor how far nations will go to remain at the top of the geopolitics game.

Always be skeptical of the denials offered up by global megacorporations, as the chances of their interests lining up with yours are very slim unless you fit a certain political profile they find useful at the moment. Any chance they can take reduce lost profits and keep government officials in lockstep with them is a chance they will take, and take with all their monetary and sociopolitical weight. They are practically governments unto themselves.


 No.1003345>>1003866

>>999904

In a recent chink film awards show held in Taiwan, someone said in support of the independence of the island. Then the PRC livestream of that show was cut off.


 No.1003429>>1003866


 No.1003866>>1003886 >>1003887 >>1004092

>>1003345

Source.

>>1003429

Moshe, you can cry 50 cents all you want. I am picking Chinese/Russian over (((CIA/NSA/FBI/MOSSAD))) any day of the week. And proud of it.


 No.1003886>>1004084 >>1004193

>>1003866

If you can be as kind as to remove yourself from this website as it is founded by Americans and hosted in Reno, Nevada then, that would be just great. Leave this website. Your first step into choosing China/Russia over America begins now!


 No.1003887>>1004084

>>1003866

8chan is also currently banned in Russia and China by the way, if you truly support their authority it is only wise to cease your use of this website as it is in direct violation of their cultural policy. Thank you


 No.1003888>>1003917

trips


 No.1003917

>>1003888

impressive


 No.1004084>>1004179

>>1003887

>>1003886

no and no

I support China and Russia and I also post in 8chan.


 No.1004092

>>1003866

Russia and China are kiked to hell and back too though.


 No.1004179>>1004193

>>1004084

>I support China and Russia and I also post in 8chan.

Oxymoron since 8chan is banned in these places, it tells me most of all you aren't even from these locations


 No.1004193

>>1004179

Russia doesn't do deep packet inspection you retard. Easy to circumvent those 'bans'.

>>1003886

>remove yourself from this website, bro!

Nah trolling Americucks is half the fun


 No.1008467

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>>982580 (OP)

CIA niggers workin hard here I see (((>>1003318))) (((>>1003296)))

(((They))) did the story for some insider trading >>999928 or a increase in the propaganda machine to prepare for an upcoming war with China. Tensions are high, and goyims are gonna die for the (((military))).

The Middle east is stabilizing and the (((military))) needs another reason to pickpocket the taxes from the goyim.

The Far East is the sequel,


 No.1011091

>>999928

I too would question the article, it contains very serious allegations without a shred of evidence

The companies deny it, so it's just a question of who you believe (not (((them)).

Bloomberg should have fully expected a denial, so why run the story with no evidence unless it was a scare?




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