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>a tiny surveillance chip, not much bigger than a grain of rice, has been found hidden in the servers used by nearly 30 American companies, including Apple and Amazon
>The malicious chips, which were not part of the original server motherboards designed by the U.S-based company Super Micro, had been inserted during the manufacturing process in China.
>they were capable of doing two very important things: telling the device to communicate with one of several anonymous computers elsewhere on the internet that were loaded with more complex code; and preparing the device’s operating system to accept this new code
>https://thehackernews.com/2018/10/china-spying-server-chips.html
▶ No.982586>>983900
>>982580 (OP)
>>982580 (OP)
Paywalled original sauce (most archive services, even bypasses for them, do not work on that kike site right now):
https://web.archive.org/web/20181004150521/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies
Super Micro's key people are Taiwanese.
EXPECT ALMOST ALL SERVER HARDWARE MANUFACTURED FROM A FEW YEARS AGO TO NOW TO HAVE BOTNET CHIPS
▶ No.982587>>982595 >>982611 >>982652 >>983209 >>983217 >>983314
We need to set up firewalls to filter out any inbound AND outbound traffic from and to China.
▶ No.982595
>>982587
Well shit anon after I filtered out all potential NSA and ChiCom traffic the whole fucking world has been cut off.
▶ No.982596>>982599 >>982628 >>983539
So much for RISC and Power9. Theyre all literally botnet now. The kikes always win.
▶ No.982599>>982611
>>982596
Go to the fab and make sure they don't insert anything if it matters so much to you faggot. None of you actually care though.
▶ No.982603>>982604 >>982611
What would happen if we break that damned chip, like melting it with a soldering tool?
▶ No.982604
>>982603
Unless it has a dead man switch it will probably fix the problem.
▶ No.982611
>>982587
>what are proxies
Do you seriously expect such a well done op to send traffic right to chinese gov servers?
>>982599
>if you care, do this completely unfeasible thing
kys
>>982603
It could remove the issue, it could brick the system completely, it could stop some things from working properly...
Depends a lot on how the whole thing was integrated, if it's tightly integrated a la management engine you're fucked.
▶ No.982628>>982892
>>982596
The Jews lost. They were actually botneted by the Chinese.
▶ No.982645>>982886
SUPERMICRO MARKET CAP DOWN 54%
https://seekingalpha.com/news/3395181-super-micro-minus-54_5-percent-supply-chain-sabotage-report
Fuck these guys, to think I own 4 SMI servers. I remember thinking how messed up the company must be when I called their offices back in the day and was answered in Chinese.
▶ No.982648>>982650 >>982666 >>982736
How much code can you fit on this?
▶ No.982650>>982651
>>982648
>"Since the implants were small, the amount of code they contained was small as well. But they were capable of doing two very important things: telling the device to communicate with one of several anonymous computers elsewhere on the internet that were loaded with more complex code; and preparing the device’s operating system to accept this new code."
▶ No.982651>>982653
>>982650
Small is not a measurement.
What did the code do and was it written in Rust?
▶ No.982652
>>982587
Has nothing to do with China. The overlord crime cartel just uses China as a straw-man to keep the public at bay, while they harvest all the information they want. Same surely happens all over the world and Xi Jinping got a lot richer in the process.
▶ No.982653
>>982651
Probably well under 1kB. Rust is too bloated for such applications. MCU of that chip probably doesn't even have RAM so even C is out of the question (while in theory possible, nobody bothers and just writes everything in ASM).
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▶ No.982663>>983208
>>982660
Posting from my Huawei, I'm never gonna visit China so don't give a shit, everything is botnet whether from USA or China or eu, the only way to be free is to be offline
▶ No.982666>>982668 >>982700
>>982648
Depends on it's capabilities, it was probably done in assembly.
Anyway this just reveals more the absurdity of spying agencies. They always give shit reasons like:
>since they do the same why wouldn't we do the same
And then when all countries are involved it becomes a clusterfuck.
CIA, NSA, GCHQ, GDFPI, MSS and whatnot GTFO of our hardware
CIA, NSA, GCHQ, GDFPI, MSS and whatnot GTFO of our hardware!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
▶ No.982670>>982678 >>982682 >>990275
SUREENDER NOTE FUCKING WHEN!
There is literally no way, I repeat ''NO WAY' to resist anymore. We're fucked forever.
▶ No.982676
Really I just want to know more about the chip itself.
▶ No.982678
>>982670
Learn hardware and audit it.
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▶ No.982682>>982839
>>982670
I route all my packets through an Amiga 2000/030 tbh fam. Chinese cianiggers btfo.
▶ No.982683>>982783
>>982680
I wonder who could be behind this post.
▶ No.982700>>982713
>>982666
>, it was probably done in assembly.
Thanks for confirming you know nothing about hardware design. It would be an ASIC, without a CPU.
▶ No.982712>>982713
There needs to be a more accurate description of how this thing works. Right now it sounds like it grabs a payload from another computer and shoves this into the OS kernel or boot loader. But what if you're using FDE (not common on servers, but you can do that on your home computer)? Or what if you just start your computer without any network device attached? Or, in the extreme paranoid case, what if you're routing your computer directly through a custom bus and protocol you rigged up on GPIO ports? Now this chip doesn't know wtf the environment is, because it's never been in it before (and its designers never imagined it). It can't go grab the payload, because there's no wifi, no ethernet, not even a serial port or CAN bus connected.
▶ No.982713>>982720 >>982757
>>982700
>Thanks for confirming you know nothing about hardware design.
> the amount of code they contained was small as well. But they were capable of doing two very important things: telling the device to communicate with one of several anonymous computers elsewhere on the internet that were loaded with more complex code; and preparing the device’s operating system to accept this new code.
>without a CPU
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_device_fabrication
>It would be an ASIC
It could be an ASIC.
>>982712
>It would be an ASIC
This.
▶ No.982720>>982757
>>982713
Yeah I read that paragraph, but it doesn't give enough details for us to know exactly what level of countermeasures are needed to foil it. I tried to follow the link to bloomberg or whatever other site the article linked to, but their server told me my computer was generating malicious activity (I use the Links browser).
▶ No.982733
Was probably on the traces that run to the Ethernet controller and patched the firmware on boot.
▶ No.982736
>>982648
Given that you can fit hundreds of millions of transistors per 1mm^2 with 14nm and modern NAND flash is stacked it could have a few hundred MBit of memory.
▶ No.982757
>>982720
>>982713
>It would be an ASIC
Copy paste mistake.
It should be
>There needs to be a more accurate description of how this thing works.
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▶ No.982764
>>982746
>implying Apple would admit they brought and used compromised hardware for critical IT infrastructure
>implying Apple would admit that Google was right all along about needing to design and manufacture their own IT equipment
▶ No.982780>>982835 >>982867 >>982890
>>982746
Apple, Amazon, Supermicro and the Chinese Government are all denying it: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-amazon-apple-supermicro-and-beijing-respond
Incidentally: Apple, Amazon, Supermicro and the Chinese Government are all filled to the brim with chinamen.
▶ No.982783>>982889
>>982683
Cheap Chink tech is good, retard.
▶ No.982835>>982836 >>982857 >>982925
>>982746
>>982780
I have no evidence, but I think it's likely the companies involved would have been served NSLs since it's still an ongoing investigation.
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▶ No.982839
>>982682
The risk floppies.
I miss that damn game.
▶ No.982857>>982879
>>982835
Yes, I agree. More to the point, the employees who are in the know are gagged and cannot tell other employees at the same company, particularly the PR department but possibly even their own bosses, what's going on. So the PR department didn't have to knowingly lie because they were deceived by people in the company who believed they had a legal and moral obligation to keep PR in the dark.
▶ No.982866>>982889 >>990431 >>998375
The entire western world allowed ALL of their computer manufacturing to end up in a nation state we/they are effectively on rocky terms with at the best of times... and now we are supposed to pretend to be surprised when something like this happens?
The chips were supposedly installed by agents of China's People's Liberation Army and apparently located during a security audit of servers sold by Elemental.
White House officials have made it clear they think companies will begin shifting their supply chains to other countries as a result. Such a shift might assuage officials who have been warning for years about the security of the supply chain---even though they’ve never disclosed a major reason for their concerns.
Considering the statements by Apple and Amazon, I have a hard time believing this is true unless they are just completely clueless or lying. They'd be facing some serious ethics/legal/shareholder action if they knowingly put out false statements.
If Bloomberg is wrong, they gonna go down
▶ No.982867>>982881 >>982897
>>982780
>Supermicro and the Chinese Government are all denying it
Of course, but why apple and Amazon?
Would their shares drop that much?
▶ No.982870>>982889
they were capable of doing two very important things: telling the device to communicate with one of several anonymous computers elsewhere on the internet that were loaded with more complex code; and preparing the device’s operating system to accept this new code. The illicit chips could do all this because they were connected to the baseboard management controller, a kind of superchip that administrators use to remotely log in to problematic servers, giving them access to the most sensitive code even on machines that have crashed or are turned off.
A BMC modification. Not good.
▶ No.982873>>982893 >>983013
Looks like Trump was right about Apple building phones here
There may be a future market of electronics assembly of sensitive components in trusted countries(preferably your own)
Price will rise
▶ No.982875>>982880
More propaganda to get the proles ready for the inevitable police action in southeast Asia. Enjoy being drafted amerifats.
▶ No.982879>>983787
Interesting, it only has 3 pins, two have to draw power as well. Also that it is a independent chip and not a cpu die modification, pretty nice of them tbh. I wonder what bus it would sit on, most of them operate at a very high freq. Has anyone decapped the chip and got pics of the die? Are there any models that are known to have this chip? If it is reprogramable expect many other parties to make use of this backdoor.
>>982857
Not to mention these guys will buy time to dump their stock before announcing it, only to not be covered by 99% of media. Can't have people worried about amazon and apple.
▶ No.982880
>>982875
>Enjoy being drafted amerifats.
I already got plans in place. My blood isn't going to be used to fertilize a rice paddy.
▶ No.982881>>982897
>>982867
>Would their shares drop that much?
"We are announcing that we have been storing all our users data, iTunes and App Store 3rd party IP, and our own sensitive IP, including technical designs and source code, on systems compromised by the Chinese government. Please don't rape our stock price."
t. Apple Inc
▶ No.982882>>982908 >>983713
So the CIA niggers got out-CIA'd by chinks, huh. Either that or it was all orchestrated so the chinese could be a scapegoat
▶ No.982883>>983018 >>983207
>>982580 (OP)
I just bought a Huawei Matebook X Pro the other week, it's very nice (3000x2000 pixel screen, good battery life, 4-core, 8GB RAM), but now I'm worried about built in backdoors aside from intel's ME.
Did I fuck up?
▶ No.982886
>>982645
FUCK! SUPERMICRO IS CHINESE TOO?!
MY NAS IS SUPERMICRO!
▶ No.982889>>983007
>bloomberg out of all sources
>old money european investor/merchants
never trust a heeb
>supermicro, apple, amazon
>chinese-backed tech borg
never trust a chink
With capitalist outsourcing and globalization, nobody wins.
Historical evidence and analysis of the 1989 Tiananmen Square Protest should be included on the silkscreen of all PCBs from now on as an ideological weapon against chinkery.
CIDF and Blackpillanon have popped up in the thread too. Great.
>>982783
>cheap trash subsidised by totalitarian ding dong bannu-tier knockoff communism
>good
>>982866
quality high-magnesium post
>>982870
>(((BMC)))
Out Of Band management was a mistake
management is always a mistake
▶ No.982890
>>982780
>implying they think that a covert but massive botnet operation is underway
▶ No.982892>>982894 >>982904 >>982993 >>983772 >>999843
>>982628
China is fueled by Jews. Their new "host" has been carefully chosen. They won.
▶ No.982893>>982895 >>983474
>>982873
These were the installed hardware backdoors that were found.
How many are undiscovered?
Over the decades, the security of the supply chain became an article of faith despite repeated warnings by Western officials. A belief formed that China was unlikely to jeopardize its position as workshop to the world by letting its spies meddle in its factories. That left the decision about where to build commercial systems resting largely on where capacity was greatest and cheapest. “You end up with a classic Satan’s bargain,” one former U.S. official says. “You can have less supply than you want and guarantee it’s secure, or you can have the supply you need, but there will be risk. Every organization has accepted the second proposition.”
In the three years since the briefing in McLean, no commercially viable way to detect attacks like the one on Supermicro’s motherboards has emerged---or has looked likely to emerge. Few companies have the resources of Apple and Amazon, and it took some luck even for them to spot the problem. “This stuff is at the cutting edge of the cutting edge, and there is no easy technological solution,” one of the people present in McLean says. “You have to invest in things that the world wants. You cannot invest in things that the world is not ready to accept yet.”
▶ No.982894>>982904
>>982892
The Zucc marriage to the Chinese mafia don's daughter was the nail in the coffin tbh.
BYE BYE WEIMERICA!
▶ No.982895
>>982893
>A belief formed that China was unlikely to jeopardize its position as workshop to the world by letting its spies meddle in its factories
It was too tempting
Did CIA spooks do this?
This will be Chins's claim if the chips are real
▶ No.982897>>982914
>>982580 (OP)
Never has this webm been more relevant.
>>982867
In addition to this: >>982881
...both Apple and Amazon have a large number of chinamen working for them. Chinamen that are naturalized American citizens but which have relatives in China, and also Chinamen that are not American citizens at all.
It's very possible that these corporations have a bias towards protecting the reputation of the Chinese government. They could have Chinese employees conspiring to this end without the knowledge of non-Chinese employees who are socially conditioned to be offended by the thought of even considering the possibility (How dare you suggest that Chinese citizens may not be loyal to the strategic interests of America?! That's racist!)
▶ No.982904>>982913 >>983002 >>983207
>>982894
>>982892
>alarmist /pol/tards who can't read subtext
These are still American companies and not all the components are even from China. This is more likely a CIA false flag to "convince" Apple to start moving assembly over to the USA to carefully consider a closer audit of their security hardware in Americas interests. It's 4D Chess
▶ No.982906>>982907
>>982905
Thanks for your input, but please read what this thread is actually about before commenting again.
▶ No.982907
>>982906
I slightly misread what the original anon said tbh
▶ No.982908
>>982882
Now there's a thought.
▶ No.982913
>>982904
>It's 4D Chess
Commit homicide.
▶ No.982914
>>982897
Mass shooter announces his plan for Asian genocide (TRIGGER WARNING)
▶ No.982925>>982941
>>982835
This, once you get an NSL you say what the NSL tells you to say.
▶ No.982941>>982948
>>982925
...if you're a faggot.
▶ No.982948
>>982941
Do you doubt the faggotry of Apple and Amazon?
▶ No.982993
>>982892
>jews getting jewed by the asian jew
▶ No.983001
>lol hardware backdoors don't exis-
▶ No.983007>>983207 >>983759
>>982889
So what is it about the obsession with tiannanmen? What's the end goal of spamming that? I can understand mentioning it to piss off the chinks from a thread, but do they even care? And if they get pissed off by it whats the point of reminding them that? To make them dive back further into the embrafe of the communist collective?
▶ No.983008
I wouldn't worry about it
▶ No.983009
>>983002
>implying
fuck you cia nigger
▶ No.983013
>>982873
There's this place in Bulgaria that has been making ARM boards for some time.
http://linux-sunxi.org/Olimex
▶ No.983018>>983480
>>982883
I don't know anything about that model of phone, but it's not like there's a realistic option of buying an American made phone.
Even if you did the design yourself, who knows what gets added during fabrication. As Amazon and Apple found out.
▶ No.983141>>983144 >>983182 >>983207
>>982680
六四天安门事件
1989年天安门广场大屠杀
1989年天安門廣場大屠殺
▶ No.983144
>>983141
We do it for free.
▶ No.983147>>983212
Betcha $50 it was just two or three hardcoded exploits for the Intel ME.
▶ No.983182
>>983141
Everything has happened once in China, it's 3 times the size of the USA. Who cares again?
▶ No.983207>>983479
>>983141
fuck off moshe
>>982883
>Did I fuck up?
Live in china? maybe
Don't? no
>>983007
>but do they even care?
We don't. It is basically your cianiggers trying to rile up hatred against china by astroturfing.
>>982904
nu-/pol/ is CIA now. Did you think the chosen ones will not flood the board after it was discussed so much in mainstream?
>>982680
Thanks. If you think about it China must be a technological genius to pull this off. Yet, everywhere we (((hear))) China is technologically inferior. Hmm. Sounds a lot like that baby-nazi narrative. Nazi's are powerless babies, yet they are doing super evil things. How?
▶ No.983208
>>982663
>the only way to be free is to be offline
Just buy stuffs from countries which don't have jurisdiction on where you live.
▶ No.983209>>983217
>>982587
>firewalls to filter out any inbound AND outbound traffic from and to China.
are you insane?
▶ No.983212
>>983147
You're very likely right on the money. Exploits for the Intel ME would be far cheaper and achieve the same effects as inserting more hardware for surveillance purposes.
▶ No.983217
>>982587
>>983209
>are you insane?
China already filters the shit out of the internet. Cutting china's network access to the internet wouldn't be a loss imo.
▶ No.983230
<-- This asshole is to blame. Seriously. He should have never gone to China. No free nation can have a friendly relationship with any dictatorship. To do so is an unacceptable ethical compromise.
▶ No.983314
>>982587
you need to LARP harder
▶ No.983316
>>982580 (OP)
>that link
rm --no-preserve-root -rf /
▶ No.983320
>http://archive.is/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies
>when you're trying to read news about the latest corporate backdoors and you get ONE MORE STEP ONE MORE STEP ONE MORE STEP | ATTENTION REQUIRED | CUCKFLARE
fuck this gay earth
▶ No.983339>>983343 >>983345 >>983428 >>983438 >>983471 >>983586 >>983716
I wonder how free market idiots will defend this.
▶ No.983343
>>983339
>I want to use jew chips but don't want to get jewed
Don't like it? Don't buy it.
▶ No.983345>>983356
>>983339
Obviously fascism is the answer to keeping production of mission critical infrastructure out of the hands of your communist enemies.
▶ No.983356>>983362
>>983345
Yes, we should produce them locally in the USA just like (((intel))).
▶ No.983362>>983363
>>983356
What's your argument? (((Intel))) produces their chips in China with Chinese labor under Chinese supervision.
▶ No.983363>>983364 >>983365
>>983362
Wrong. Majority of Intel fabs are in America.
▶ No.983364>>983365
>>983363
(And the others are Europe and Israel)
▶ No.983365>>983366 >>983369
>>983363
>majority
source?
>>983364
>others in europe and israel
It sounds like you're claiming that Intel doesn't make CPUs in China but they actually do. The majority of their CPUs are made in China. Typical Jewish Intel tricks by a Jewish Intel shill.
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>>983365
Obama literally banned sending Intel server CPUs to China.
▶ No.983371>>983373
>>983369
>>983366
>only new plant opened in the last decade is in china
▶ No.983373>>983383
>>983371
>That Fab is for ssds and makes no CPUs.
>It's literally only one
▶ No.983383>>983553 >>983595
>>983373
>doesn't matter because all Intel motherboards are made in China
>CPUs are "fabbed" in the USA but wafers are cut and packaged in China
▶ No.983428>>983446
>>983339
>I wonder how free market idiots will defend this.
Like so.
▶ No.983438
>>983339
Obviously botnet motherboards are what the market dictates, feds and sensitive companies are free to buy organic, locally grown electronics.
▶ No.983471
>>983339
>some shit got backdoored
>it's because of the free market
>check mate, libertarians
▶ No.983474
>>982893
>Over the decades, the security of the supply chain became an article of faith despite repeated warnings by Western officials. A belief formed that China was unlikely to jeopardize its position as workshop to the world by letting its spies meddle in its factories.
If this is true, it will have implications for Asian electronic manufacturing
In other words, China's main source of income.
This is why some in the west wonder how China could be so careless...or whether it was a rogue Chink op(or a false flag CIA op)
▶ No.983479>>983480
>>983207
The MateBook X Pro is a laptop, not a phone.
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▶ No.983481
anyone who still relies on a BMC chip anyway is a businesscuck and a pseudojew
BMC is for losers
▶ No.983484
>>982580 (OP)
>In all, 17 people confirmed the manipulation of Supermicro’s hardware and other elements of the attacks. The sources were granted anonymity because of the sensitive, and in some cases classified, nature of the information.
Literally no corroborating evidence other that '17 anonymous sources.' The kikes jumped the shark on this one, and even normalfags no longer trust (((Bloomberg))).
▶ No.983539
>>982596
I keep telling you guys to design a CPU and send it to Sam Zeloof
▶ No.983553
>>983383
Does he have a production line that's not in China?
▶ No.983586
>>983339
There's no free market, it's all oligopoly.
▶ No.983595
>>983383
>Grasping at straws
▶ No.983713
>>982882
>Either that or it was all orchestrated so the chinese could be a scapegoat
There is a very important angle that shouldn't be dismissed offhand. The CIA has developed tools for years to mask or frame their dirty work as coming from other states.
https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_14588467.html
▶ No.983716>>983779
>>983339
>Chinese government-affiliated groups managed to infiltrate the supply chain to install tiny surveillance chips to motherboards
<free markets did this
What are you on about?
▶ No.983759
>>983007
>being this new
You know how this works:
>>>/lurkmoar/
▶ No.983772
>>982892
True, but the tide is turning. There's not a rosy future awaiting the Tribe when the Chinese are in power.
▶ No.983779
>>983716
You're replying to an NPC.
▶ No.983787>>983789
>>982879
I don't think I will join the military because of the time commitment and because I don't feel that it's fighting for anything of value, but god damn if we went to war with China I'd be happy to blast some communist surveillance state 1984-tier chinks. In fact this is my ideal scenario and one of the only things that would get me to join.
if you're reading this uncle Sam, please make it happen.
▶ No.983789>>983804 >>983899
>>983787
Ironically it was probably your surveillance state US government that did this, and is passing off the blame to China
▶ No.983804>>983807
>>983789
Yeah the Chinese don't spy and stuff, you sound like you're really clued in and stuff.
▶ No.983807>>983808
>>983804
Maybe they do it a lot less than your shabbos goys do moshe?
This thread needs some real RED-pill
CIA up to no good again. The anti China smear campaign is a washington creation done via its fake
NGO, the National Endowment for Democracy (NED).
>How many Americans could identify the National Endowment for Democracy? An organization
which often does exactly the opposite of what its name implies. The **NED was set up in the
early 1980s under President Reagan in the wake of all the negative revelations about the CIA** in the
second half of the 1970s. The latter was a remarkable period. Spurred by Watergate -- the Church
committee of the Senate, the Pike committee of the House, and the Rockefeller Commission, created by
the president, were all busy investigating the CIA. Seemingly every other day there was a new headline
about the discovery of some awful thing, even criminal conduct, the CIA had been mixed up in for
years. The Agency was getting an exceedingly bad name, and it was causing the powers- that-be much
embarrassment.
>**Something had to be done. What was done was not to stop doing these awful things. Of course not.
What was done was to shift many of these awful things to a new organization, with a nice sounding
name -- The National Endowment for Democracy. The idea was that the NED would do somewhat
overtly what the CIA had been doing covertly for decades, and thus, hopefully, eliminate the stigma
associated with CIA covert activities.**
>Thus it was that in 1983, the National Endowment for Democracy was set up to "support democratic
institutions throughout the world through private, nongovernmental efforts". **Notice the
"nongovernmental" -- part of the image, part of the myth. In actuality, virtually every penny of its
funding comes from the federal government**, as is clearly indicated in the financial statement in each
issue of its annual report. NED likes to refer to itself as an NGO (Non-governmental organization)
because this helps to maintain a certain credibility abroad that an official US government agency might
not have.
>**Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, declared in 1991: "A lot of
what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA."**
Trojan Horse: The National Endowment for Democracy -- William Blum
https://williamblum.org/chapters/rogue-state/trojan-horse-the-national-endowment-for-democracy
Remember, all these lying shills who claim China is horrible bla bla bla have ZERO PROOF. Ask them
for the proof and inevitably they cite western propagandists like Voice of America, Radio Free Asia,
National Endowment for Democracy (NED), and other FAKE grass roots groups.
Posted by: informant | Sep 14, 2018 3:45:14 AM | 46
Source: http://www.moonofalabama.org/
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>>983807
The National Endowment for Democracy (NED) is headed by Carl Gershman. In 1968, he worked in
the research department of B'nai B'rith, and in 1972 he served on the Governing Council of the
American Jewish Committee.
Here is a list of projects NED funds:
China (mainland):
- Advancing Women’s Rights: $60,000
- Assistance for Human Rights Defenders: $272,000
(Probably money for an organization called Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) which has no
street address, but two persons employed in Washington DC and one in Hong Kong,
https://www.nchrd.org)
- Building Advocacy Capacity and Empowering Civil Society to Protect Human Rights: $412,300
- Capacity Building for Human Rights Defenders: $300,000
(Probably also for Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD))
- Combating Censorship and Supporting Free Expression: China Digital Times, Inc. : $340,000
(https://chinadigitaltimes.net. No street address is given, but it is: «Supported by the Berkeley Counter-
Power Lab»)
- Defending and Assisting Rights Defenders: $60,000
(Probably also for Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD))
- Defending Journalists’ Rights: $65,000
- Democratic China Electronic Journal, Democratic China, Inc.: $180,000
(This is the same organization as the one late Liu Xiaobo and his wife Liu Xia’s had. For their NED-
funding during the years 2005-2010, see: https://blog.hiddenharmonies.org/2017/07/13/liu-xiaobo-rip-
but-we-should-never-forget-the-14-million-yuan-from-ned/)
- Empowering Environmental Rights Activists: $110,570
- Empowering Workers: $75,000
- Engaging Critical Analysis and Political Discourse: $140,000
- Ensuring Free and Open Access to Online Information: $200,100
- Humanitarian Assistance for Human Rights Defenders: $40,000
(Probably also for Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD))
- Monitoring Media Freedom, Freedom House: $85,000
- Promoting Democratic Ideas and Values: $150,000
- Promoting Democratic Values, Wei Jingsheng Foundation, Inc.: $68,100
(Wei got in 1997 «National Endowment for Democracy Award». The foundation is based in
Washington DC, http://weijingsheng.org)
- Providing Information and Analysis on China’s Human Rights, China Change: $73,000
(Washington DC, https://chinachange.org)
- Raising Public Awareness of Civil Society Developments in China, Center for International Private
Enterprise (CIPE): $215,643
(Washington DC, https://www.cipe.org)
- Religious Freedom, Rights Defense, and Rule of Law: $40,000
- Strengthening Civil Society for Policy and Legal Accountability: $172,000
- Strengthening Organizational and Advocacy Capacity for Community-Based Organizations: $110,000
- Strengthening the Rule of Law to Protect Human Rights and Public Participation Rule of Law:
$280,000
- Strengthening Worker Rights and Representation: $90,000
- Supporting and Empowering Human Rights Lawyers: $238,000
(Probably China Human Rights Lawyers Concern Group in Hong Kong, http://www.chrlawyers.hk/en)
- Supporting Civic Participation in Public Governance, Center for International Private Enterprise
(CIPE): $234,160
(Washington DC, https://www.cipe.org)
- Supporting Free Expression and Open Debate, Princeton China Initiative: $40,000
(Connected with Perry Link, http://www.princeton.edu/paw/archive_new/PAW04-05/08-
0209/perspective.html)
- Supporting Grassroots NGOs: $90,000
- Supporting Labor Rights: $63,500
- Sustaining Civil Society in a Repressive Operating Environment, International Republican Institute
(IRI): $600,000
(Washington DC, https://www.iri.org)
-Worker Rights Awareness, Solidarity Center (SC): $335,650
(Washington DC, https://www.solidaritycenter.org)
Tibet:
- A Symposium for Tibetan Intellectuals and Artists, Filming for Tibet: $60,000
▶ No.983809>>983810
>>983808
(Switzerland, http://www.filmingfortibet.org)
- Amplifying Voices from Tibet, The Tibet Relief Fund of the United Kingdom: $22,150
(London, http://www.tibetrelieffund.co.uk)
- Building Networks in Defense of Rights and the Environment, Students for a Free Tibet, Inc.: $40,000
(New York, https://www.studentsforafreetibet.org)
- Demton Khang, The Tibet Museum: $210,000
(Dharamsala, India, http://tibetmuseum.org)
- Empowering a New Generation of Tibetan Leaders, Rights Action Lab Inc.: $50,000
(No address. But they write: Rights Action Lab is incorporated in the United States as a Not-for-Profit
Organization, http://rightsactionlab.org)
- Tibetan Centre for Human Rights and Democracy: $35,500
(Dharamsala, http://tchrd.org)
- International Advocacy for Human Rights in Tibet, Tibet Justice Center: $58,000
(Oakland, CA, http://www.tibetjustice.org)
- Promoting Conflict Resolution and Democratic Processes, Tibetan Centre for Conflict Resolution:
$25,000
(Dharamsala, http://www.tccr.org)
- Strengthening International Support for Human Rights in Tibet, International Tibet Network:
$110,000
(San Francisco, CA, https://tibetnetwork.org)
- Strengthening the Tibetan Movement, Campaigning and Leadership Training Students for a Free
Tibet, Inc.: $50,000
(New York, https://www.studentsforafreetibet.org)
- Tibet Express Newspaper, Khawa Karpo Tibet Culture Centre: $35,000
(Dharamsala, http://tibetexpress.net)
- Tibet Times Newspaper, Tibetan Literacy Society: $43,000
(Probably Dharamsala, http://tibettimes.net)
- Tibetan Community Development Fund Inc.: $33,000
(Washington DC, https://tibetoffice.org/tdcf-under-construction)
- Voice of Tibet: Independent Shortwave Tibetan Radio: $34,700
(Based in Norway, https://www.vot.org)
Xinjiang:
- Advocacy and Outreach for Uyghur Human Rights, Uyghur Human Rights Project: $310,000
(Washington DC, https://uhrp.org)
- Uyghur Human Rights Advocacy, World Uyghur Congress: $246,000
(Munich, Germany, http://www.uyghurcongress.org/en)
Hong Kong:
- Expanding Worker Rights and Democracy, Solidarity Center (SC): $130,800
(Washington DC, https://www.solidaritycenter.org)
- Strengthening Democratic Institutions and Human Rights Protection: $105,000
- Supporting Civic Engagement on Fundamental Rights, National Democratic Institute for International
Affairs (NDI): $300,000
(Washington DC, https://www.ndi.org)
▶ No.983810>>983811
>>983809
Is Langley Unleashing Jihad Against China in Xinjiang?
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/09/15/is-langley-unleashing-jihad-against-china-in-
xinjiang.html
Wilkerson’s description of the subjective thinking of the US military has the ring of truth
(presented here in authentic Pentagonese BLOCK LETTERS, emphasis added in bold):
‘THE FIRST REAL OBJECTIVE IS TO HAVE HARD POWER DIRECTLY NEAR
THE CHINESE BASE ROAD INITIATIVE (BRI) IN CENTRAL ASIA.
...
‘THIRD, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MOUNT AND COVER WITH
HARDPOWER CIA OPERATIONS IN XINJIANG PROVINCE, CHINA’S
WESTERNMOST SECTION. THESE WOULD BE OPERATIONS AIMED AT
USING THE SOME 20 MILLION UIGHURS IN THAT PROVINCE TO
DESTABLIZE THE GOVERNMENT IN BEIJING SHOULD WE SUDDENLY FIND
OURSELVES AT WAR WITH THAT COUNTRY.
...
▶ No.983811>>983812
>>983810
Funding sources for 2049 institute, including Ian Eaton, the person who had been advocating the imminent Taiwan Strait war in recent years self.Sino
This Ian Easton dude had been advocating for a Taiwan strait war since he entered the profession of jounalism, voicing his opinions as if he is from a think tank. I found their funding source on the website, basically they are paid by the government of US, Taiwan, Japan, and Korea, some largest weapon makers, and propaganda funds:
BAE
Center for Global Partnership/Japan Foundation
DynCorp
Embassy of Japan
Koo Fisheries
Lockheed Martin
Japan External Trade Organization
(((National Endowment for Democracy)))
Northrop Grumman
Office of the Secretary of Defense/Office of Net Assessment
(((Open Society Foundation)))
Ploughshares Fund
Point Bello
Prospect Foundation
Qualcomm
SAIC
Sasakawa Peace Foundation
SBD Advisors
Scaife Foundation
Smith Richardson Foundation
RAND Corporation
Republic of China (Taiwan) Ministry of National Defense
Republic of Korea (South Korea) National Police Agency
Republic of Korea (South Korea) Ministry of National Defense
Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office
U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission
U.S. State Department
▶ No.983812>>983813 >>984180
>>983811
CIA Director Gina Haspel:
China is "working to
diminish U.S. influence"
CIA Director Gina Haspel said China's efforts to expand its global influence are
of high interest to the agency, citing Beijing's investments and loans to poorer
nations that may be hard-pressed to repay them. She referred to them as
"tactics" the CIA is watching.
"We do monitor very closely what appears to be an effort to expand their
influence beyond their own region in places like Africa, Latin America, the
Pacific Islands, South Asia," Haspel said, during a rare public appearance to give
remarks at her alma mater, the University of Louisville in Kentucky.
"We are concerned by some of the tactics they use offering poor countries
investments and loans that perhaps those countries are not going to be able to
repay, and we want those countries to be aware...how foreign investment in their
infrastructure and their national security infrastructure can ultimately
compromise their sovereignty," she said.
Almost 84 percent of China's $734 billion investment in construction projects
worldwide went to low- and middle-income economies between 2005 and 2017,
according to the Center for Strategic & International Studies' China Power
Project, which tracks China's investments overseas. The American Enterprise
Institute valued China's overall investments and construction projects overseas
at nearly $1.9 trillion in 2018.
"Unfortunately, I think [China is] working to diminish U.S. influence in order to
advance their own goals" in the Asia Pacific and beyond, Haspel said during a
moderated question-and-answer session that followed her remarks. She did not
take questions from the audience or the press at the event.
The appearance at Louisville was among Haspel's first since becoming CIA
director, a role she has assumed and executed, concertedly, with minimal
publicity. Her confirmation process in May was punctuated by protests and
controversy related to her involvement in the agency's post-9/11 rendition and
interrogation programs, which she has vowed not to restart. Aleksandr Kogan: The link
between Cambridge Analytica
and Facebook
During her prepared remarks on Monday, Haspel outlined her top priorities for
the agency as director, citing first the need to "champion diversity and inclusion
at CIA," while conceding the agency had "a way to go." Why Bill and Melinda Gates
put 20,000 students through
college
"I want every officer to have equal opportunities to succeed," she said, offering
early anecdotes from her own 30-year career at what she said at the time was a
"thoroughly male-dominated organization."
"I managed to do well as an operations officer, and I did what I could to help
bring down some of the barriers I had faced," she said.
▶ No.983813>>983814
>>983812
Echoing some of her predecessors, Haspel also said the agency would shift some
of its focus from counterterrorism, which consumed significant agency resources
for years after 9/11, to nation-state adversaries, which she declined to name. She
stressed that the CIA would seek to increase the number of officers serving
overseas, to boost foreign language training, and to strengthen partnerships with
the agency's domestic sister agencies and its foreign counterparts.
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She also said the CIA would invest more heavily in counter-narcotics efforts
abroad.
"No foreign challenge has had a more direct and devastating impact on American
families and communities...than the flow of opioids and other drugs into our
country," she said.
She touted the CIA as the "keeper of the human intelligence mission," citing the
importance of human sources in delivering intelligence on adversaries' secrets
and, occasionally, their intentions -- and which often informs materials included
in the President's Daily Brief, she said.
In her discussion with the event's moderator, a former advisor to Senate
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, Haspel said she, along with a
briefing team, Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and National Security
Adviser John Bolton, meet with President Trump several times a week to deliver
his intelligence briefing. Though she was not directly asked about the president's
attacks on the country's law enforcement and intelligence communities --
including the case of former CIA director John Brennan, whose security
clearance Trump revoked last month in what was widely seen as an act of
political retribution -- Haspel said CIA's workforce was "very resilient" and
"extremely mission-focused."
"We tend not to pay attention to the political fray," she said.
She praised President Trump for establishing a dialogue with North Korean
leader Kim Jong Un, a development she said meant the U.S. is "certainly in a
better place than we were in 2017," though she said Kim was unlikely to take
steps to denuclearize quickly.
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"I believe that the North Koreans view their capability as leverage and I don't
think that they want to give it up easily," she said.
She also criticized Iran and the resources it had spent to prop up the Assad
regime in Syria and wield influence in Iraq. "We are watching very closely Iran's
malign activity in the region and we'd like to push back against that activity so
those countries can carve their own courses," she said.
Throughout her remarks and the conversation that followed them, Haspel
offered several other, more personal details, including details about CIA
colleagues and mentors who lost their lives while serving overseas and
experiences of her own that have shaped her approach to leadership. She
indicated her own style would be deliberate and considered.
"I try to remember the words 'slowly, slowly' when faced with a difficult
challenge," Haspel said.
And twice, she cited former director of intelligence George Tenet, who led the
agency from 1996 to 2004. "CIA doesn't do easy; the hard jobs come to us," she
said.
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>>983813
Trump is gutting the National
Endowment for Democracy, and that’s a
good thing
By Stephen Kinzer
THANK YOU, President Trump! Finally you have made a foreign policy
recommendation that is logical, overdue, and in the long-term interest of the
United States. Congress will probably reject it, but you deserve credit for
making the effort.
Trump’s budget for the coming fiscal year proposes to gut the National
Endowment for Democracy by cutting two-thirds of its budget. The
endowment is one of the main instruments by which the United States
subverts and undermines foreign governments. In a less Orwellian world, it
might be called the “National Endowment for Attacking Democracy.” Cutting
the budget would signal that we are re-thinking our policy of relentlessly
interfering in the politics of other countries.
That kind of interference is the National Endowment’s mission. Whenever the
government of another country challenges or defies the United States,
questions the value of unrestrained capitalism, limits the rights of foreign
corporations, or adopts policies that we consider socialist, the Endowment
swings into action. It pours over $170 million each year into labor unions,
political factions, student clubs, civic groups, and other organizations
dedicated to protecting or installing pro-American regimes. From Central
America to Central Asia, it is a vivid and familiar face of US intervention.
President Ronald Reagan established the program in 1983, following years of
scandals that tarnished the Central Intelligence Agency. Soon it took over
many of the tasks that the CIA used to perform. When the United States
wanted to interfere in the Italian election of 1948, for example, the CIA did
the job. Decades later, when Washington sought to push its favored candidate
into the presidency of Nicaragua, our instrument was the National
Endowment for Democracy. More recently, it has sought to influence
elections in Mongolia, Albania, Bulgaria, and Slovakia. “A lot of what we do
today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA,” one of the organization’s
founders explained during the 1990s.
By its own account, the Endowment is “on the leading edge of democratic
struggles everywhere,” donating money to “groups abroad who are working
for democratic goals.” Its central principle is that the only proper way to run a
country is the American way. Governments that disagree become its targets.
Because its job is to shape the course of other countries, the Endowment has
become a darling of Washington’s regime-change crowd. Shortly after
ordering invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, President George W. Bush pushed
to double its budget. That made sense, because bombing and organizing
“peaceful” revolutions are two ways of achieving the same goal: forcing
countries to bend to our will. Both reflect our insistence on judging foreign
governments, deciding which may survive and which must be attacked.
Leaders of the Endowment include some of our country’s most militant
interventionists. One of its board members is Elliott Abrams, who helped
direct anti-Sandinista projects in Nicaragua during the 1980s and was later
convicted of lying to Congress about the Iran-Contra affair. Another is
Victoria Nuland, who as assistant secretary of state in 2016 flew to Ukraine to
encourage protesters to overthrow their government.
Many grants are funneled through two sub-groups that reflect the bipartisan
Washington consensus favoring intervention in foreign countries. One, the
International Republican Institute, is run by a board headed by Senator John
▶ No.983815>>983817
>>983814
McCain, who never saw a war he didn’t like and salivates at the thought of
deposing unfriendly regimes. Its counterpart, the National Democratic
Institute, is headed by Madeleine Albright, who famously pronounced the
principle that the United States should guide the world because “we are the
indispensable nation, we stand tall and we see further than other countries.”
Abrams, Nuland, McCain, and Albright exemplify the interventionist mindset
that has brought the United States and the world so much pain and grief. The
National Endowment for Democracy is one of their cherished projects.
McCain protested the proposed budget cut by saying group’s mission “is at the
heart of who we are as a country.” So it is.
As soon as the leftist Hugo Chavez was elected president of Venezuela 20
years ago, the Endowment began pouring money into Venezuelan opposition
groups. It has also subsidized groups working to undermine Presidents Oscar
Arias of Costa Rica, Jean-Bertrand Aristide of Haiti, and Manuel Zelaya of
Honduras, all of whom committed the sin of pursuing independent foreign
policies. In 2013 the Endowment issued a report saying that “Russia remains
the main priority country.” Soon afterward, the Russian government
announced that it was banning the Endowment from operating on its
territory.
In response, the organization has intensified its efforts build anti-Russia
movements in nearby countries, focusing on Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova,
Georgia, Serbia, Kosovo, and Bosnia-Herzegovina. It provides training
material and advice on how to publish newspapers, run computer networks,
and organize political meetings. Once a group agrees to accept American
money, the Endowment hails it as an “independent” agent of freedom and
liberation.
American politicians and news outlets are howling about Russian interference
in our last presidential election. Against this background, the National
Endowment for Democracy seems more glaringly hypocritical than ever.
Promoting democracy is a wonderful idea. We should begin at home. If we
want other countries not to meddle in our politics, we should refrain from
meddling in theirs.
▶ No.983816
>the Chinese spy starts his pilpul dump
▶ No.983817>>983820
>>983815
And if you want to know what Shitstein was planning about China before dying.
▶ No.983820
>>983817
So glad that prick was executed along with old man Rothschild.
▶ No.983846>>983904 >>983938 >>983948
This is the USA beating the war drums getting everyone pumped for war with China. Good. It's a war China will lose. Slimy fucks need to humble the fuck up and learn what country propped them up for the past 30 years. They need to step the fuck back from their neighbors they've been bullying for the past couple of decades. Its time someone finally showed those slant-eyed fucks the paper dragon they've been setting up. The war in the middle east was a fucking joke because nobody wanted it. A war with China though? That's a war I would support. A war worth fighting again.
▶ No.983899>>983948
>>983789
that's also probably true. at the moment though China is, IMHO, one of the world's largest problems and a threat to humanity's future. they've already implemented a 1984-esque surveillance state, social credits, etc. The people are truly like insects for the most part. They send their people overseas to fuck up our markets, our housing systems and culture because they do not integrate. They are essentially at odds with Western society, or at least what is good in Western society. The chink gov't forces it's people to live like subhumans, which I guess they are anyway, but it's not a good precedent for the rest of the world which seems to be hell bent on fucking their own people over too. And (again just my opinion) technology is humanity's number one problem today, and it will be our downfall pretty soon. The vast majority of """progress""" in the last 50 years, even more so the last 30, and even more than that in the last decade, has not really improved our quality of life. I'd say people overall are less happy than they were a few decades ago.
Once you have electricity, running water and heat, you can get food, health services, and a host of other creature comforts and luxuries, you're living at an unprecedented level of comfort in human history. a new selfie camera and a stupid dumbfuck botnet/meme apps aren't progress, they're destroying us, and to tie back to my main point China is pretty much the epitome of this. in short fuck china and I hope the US nukes the chinese government back into the stone age.
▶ No.983900>>983974
>>982586
>Taiwanese
Taiwan is not mainland China
▶ No.983904>>983948
>>983846
unironically this, even if you're a CIA glowie. I'd go to war if it were to liberate China, and it would be glorious.
▶ No.983938>>983948
>>983846
I'd love to see China annihilated, my brothers and sisters must be freed from the botnet.
▶ No.983948>>984036 >>984075 >>984120 >>984157 >>984164
>>983899
>>983846
>>983904
>>983938
Look at these CIA shills.
The US cannot win a war against goatfuckers in Afghanistan, mudslimes in Syria. What are the chances it will have against China? You mean your zogbot army will annihilate China? Good luck. You could not win in Vietnam and "We will be back before thanksgiving" Korea. I hope your shabbos goys are ready to face second/third best weapon technology in the world, while they get slaughtered in desert against third world shit. Also get ready to sacrifice a lot of your soyboys in a conventional war. And remember they have nukes and it may be painful for you to admit, but they can deliver.
I do not think all of these fearmongering will lead to war. It is all a smear campaign to sanction and reduce business with China.
China will prevail and will shit on US in coming decades.
▶ No.983974
>>983900
Taiwan is the only real China that exists. All of the other Chinese were murdered by the communists.
▶ No.984036
>>983948
>muh nukes
solution:
stop LARPing
stop playing treefort war
stop playing us vs them
etc
problem solved
▶ No.984075>>984120 >>984133 >>984155
>>983948
The USA could stomp the shit out of China, you kike. In a total war scenario and without NBC usage we could depopulate their major cities in one hour.
▶ No.984120
>>983948
not a shill faggot
<comparing an insurgency to an actual war
you must be retarded. a full scale war without nukes wouldn't be the same, with nukes everyone would die anyway.
>China will prevail
t. botnet chink
>>984075
this.
▶ No.984133>>984135
>>984075
China could do the same in that scenario, they'd get hit with 2k nukes and the US with ~300. Maybe the US would win due to better weapons and far more experience or China would due to superior manpower, but either way the "winner" would be a sad joke at the end of the war. It's even more nonsensical than a war against the Soviets.
▶ No.984134
>thread about this made on /pol/
>deleted instantly
>second thread made
>deleted instantly
>third thread made
>slid with junk posting and then anchored
What do the Chinese-Israeli /pol/ mods mean by this?
▶ No.984135
>>984133
The Chinese have no navy, very few nukes, very few ICBMs, and their subs are ancient and noisy. We'd be fine.
▶ No.984149
>>982580 (OP)
>17 anonymous sources
>no other sources
>take this article seriously
kys
▶ No.984155>>984165
>>984075
This type of inflammatory posting style and how it translates to IRL is why every country will team up to destroy America. You've got 10 years at best amerinigger gl.
▶ No.984157
>>983948
>You could not win in Vietnam
But we did, we just took infantry off the ground. At the end of the day we forced them to adopt a market driven economy and cooperate with NATO through economic warfare
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Đổi_Mới
>The US cannot win a war against goatfuckers in Afghanistan, mudslimes in Syria
The point of the war in the Middle east isn't to "win" it's an intervention at best and at worst is intentionally perpetual to maintain NATO presence in the region. The USA could easily destroy China. Their closest neighbors all hate them. India, South Korea, Japan, Indonesia.etc and their growing need for resources is going to be their ultimate downfall. Beijing is responsible for too many people, a growing Middle class is pushing them to Africa to keep export prices low. Who are you kidding? Even if the USA miraculously loses China will still ultimately bulkanize sooner or later
▶ No.984164
>>983948
>Defending China regardless of what you think of the USA
Kill yourself, or better yet move to China so we don't have to see your retarded posts anymore as you're censored behind the great firewall
▶ No.984165>>984178
>>984155
<you may live to see USA flatten chinkistan, then devolve into civil war while ruskies help the insurgency in america
a man can dream
▶ No.984178>>984182
>>984165
Here's a tip, China provided assistance to North Korea in terms of design and engineering. We sent a couple Rods From God into their mile deep lab and blew it the fuck out, and then offered the olive branch to North Korea in exchange for peace. They were offered, in return, status as a real nation and not just an apparatchik of the chicoms and Ruissa.
Watch this shit happen in real time now, what I say is true.
▶ No.984180
>>983812
>Gina Haspel
War criminal by the way. She's one of the most evil people in the CIA currently.
▶ No.984182>>984199
>>984178
and how do you know this
▶ No.984199
>>984182
Mike Pence told me during a game of handball.
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▶ No.986884>>987018
>>985017
Why is this story being ignored?
▶ No.987018>>987384
>>986884
Because everyone has decided to ignore Bloomberg and their shitty journalism.
▶ No.987384
>>987018
>implying the chinks didn't bug the hardware
▶ No.987394>>987396 >>987404 >>987429 >>998651
It's just not a big deal even if it's true. I'm not particularly worried about China violating my privacy. Not when the Americans are definitely doing that as much as possible and are definitely a threat to my freedom. Nuke America and then I can worry about China. Until then, it's like worrying about a very angry poodle while being chased by a tiger. Maybe that's a bad analogy, comparing the Chinese to a dog, since they eat dogs, but regardless, China has no power at all over me. Everything has a shitload of backdoors already. One more isn't going to make a difference, not when it's Chinese. If China spies on the west, great. I'm not particularly worried about the privacy of people that are trying to take mine away. They will have the right to complain about it when they stop being goddamn hypocritical pieces of shit. Until then, they can go eat shit in hell. The enemy of my enemy isn't my friend, but it's an enemy that I can tolerate for my own convenience until the worst one is dead.
Also, America would lose in any war against any other country on the planet, unless nukes become an option, and in that case, if both sides have nukes, then everyone is fucked and nobody wins. Whenever a country thinks "it would be easy to defeat x", that is basically proof that they are about to get absolutely destroyed. America has almost always displayed major incompetence when it comes to war. Pretty sure that Russia and China are way more competent and efficient, even if they don't have comparable resources. And they are ruthless, while people in the west are a bunch of pussies. Americans would be complaining about war crimes and muh human rights until the very end, but Russia and China wouldn't give a shit. They would rape and pillage America to death and then burn everything down. The Chinese have no morals, and the Russians only pretend that they do, but you can just read about the shit that they did to the Germans during and after WW2 and you can see that they may very well be the most immoral pieces of shit on the planet. In way, they are basically niggers except not stupid. A dangerous combination. Everyone else is pretty bad too, but Russians are especially bad. I think they could totally win. Then again, looking at history, evil almost always wins, and in this case everyone is evil, so I can't be too sure. It's basically a bunch of countries competing for the honor of being the ones responsible for the nightmarish future to come. All of them have their own version of hell that they want to create, so there's a lot of competition. No matter who wins, everything will be terrible. There are no good futures for humanity. Just another reason to enjoy myself, and drink, and never leave the house.
▶ No.987396>>987399 >>987400
>>987394
>Nuke America and then I can worry about China.
>America has almost always displayed major incompetence when it comes to war.
Canada wants you.
▶ No.987399
>>987396
It has. They fucking lost to rice farmers and we're supposed to feel bad about them because of it.
▶ No.987400
>>987396
You don't know what you're talking about. Do you really think I like Canada? Couldn't you feel that I am made of pure hatred when you read my post? Why would you assume that I like anyone? Canadians are shit, and I haven't seen an exception yet. They are piles of human garbage. Canada is just America, really, except with no redeeming qualities and not even one person that has any value, as far as I know. Canada just pretends that it's a country, but in reality it's just another country's hat. They have no culture, no history, and no value to anyone (even America has more of that, so you know it's bad). If they suddenly disappeared from existence, no one would notice, except people that like reading stories about the dumb shit that they do. Fuck Canada.
▶ No.987404>>987408
>>987394
>I'm not particularly worried about China violating my privacy.
>Nuke America and then I can worry about China
>If China spies on the west, great.
How? How does someone this stupid actually exist? You'd have to have been a failed abortion AND have been dropped on your head to have made such a mess of a post. The school would never even have taken in such a reject of a person out of fear the other special need kids would make you feel inferior to them. The very theory of evolution would need to be completely reexamined to account for how nature could ever have produced such a blatant mistake of a life form. All universities will have to shut down now because after you were born the average high school drop out suddenly looks like Einstein in comparison. You existing reduces the average IQ of wherever you live to Sub Sahara Africa levels. If you were a women no nigger would ever want to rape you out of fear their offspring would come out too dumb for them. Muslim leaders are now in line for the Nobel Prize in physics for being so much more intelligent next to you. McDonalds is now having to raise the average working wage of all its workers because working their now requires "skilled workers" out of fear you tried to apply. They had to invent a "Special Special Olympics" because the other special Olympics was too hard for you. Flat Earthers are now being taken seriously in the scientific community. Apple now has to invest another billion dollars reworking the UI design of iOS because their designers have determined its too complicated for you. Whenever you walk into a Zoo the Zookeeper now has to warn the animals not to feed you or taunt you.
▶ No.987408>>987412
>>987404
Why would I care if some irrelevant country does something that relevant countries are already doing a lot more than they ever could? I like when America is forced to taste its own shit for a change.
▶ No.987412>>987427 >>987429
>>987408
>Defending China regardless of how you feel about the JewSA
Hatred of China is shared among all cultures friend
▶ No.987427>>987431 >>987440 >>998651
>>987412
There are so many countries to hate that I would rather leave China for later. China doesn't bother me at the moment. There isn't a single thing that China does that even slightly inconveniences me. They make cheap garbage and quality doesn't exist anymore, but really, I can't blame them for making it when retarded white people keep buying it and loving the taste of shit in their mouths. I have a family unfortunately, I know the absolute garbage that they buy, so I can't blame China. I guess at least the Chinese aren't too good to make their own shit like basically everyone else. They are carrying the global economy by themselves at this point (a good reason to want them dead, so everyone else can finally die as well), since everyone else just wants to be management and HR, because they are so progressive, with their "post-industrial service economies". I hate them so much that even with my bottomless well of hatred, there is barely anything left for the Chinese at this point. China is still even better than India. At least the Chinese know where to shit, that's an accomplishment. They are really advanced subanimals. Hell, they even used to be pretty impressive, a long time ago, though not as long as the west. I would probably nuke the majority of the planet before nuking China, personally. Of course, I would nuke them anyway and I would enjoy it, and it would give me a massive erection, but still, priorities. I would nuke them before Best Korea, though. I mean, look at these paintings, look at how happy they are. Could you really nuke these people when they are this happy? Don't you wish you could live there?
▶ No.987429>>987468
>>987394
This, but you are slightly wrong. America will win a conventional war without nukes, but with heavy loss. The loss will be so high that it will make all deaths in WWII look like a children's number. If the nukes are involved, everyone is doomed. I am not sure if globalists want to risk a nuke war, but one thing I am sure is that when nukes are on the table China will not absolutely hold back. So it is lose-lose for both parties in both cases. The quicker America falls from its internal decline, the quicker this (((neo-liberal neo-conservative))) SJW of the world will go away.
>>987412
That's what CIA wants you to believe. Only countries that "hate" China, already licks Isn'treals ass clean when it goes to toilet for shit (See Shinzo Abe served on a shoe in Israel). The BDSM between these countries are quite good I must say.
▶ No.987431
>>987427
Best Korea is beautiful.
China does make good quality products, if you know what to look for.
▶ No.987440>>987447 >>987469
>>987427
You don't hate China because you don't know jack shit about China, your American education tells you they just "make all our stuff!"
The Chinese Government is the slimiest pieces of shit on the planet. Mass surveillance, mass censorship, does your retarded ass even understand why Chinese shit is so cheap? Its because the Chinese work for next to nothing. China has one of the lowest GDP per capitas on Earth. Their people are slaves. Taiwan exists solely because they hate the mainland communist government and had once tried to escape from it. China doesn't need to be nuked, because that country is on the verge of collapse anyways. Their growing middle class is forcing the government to enslave niggers in Africa instead in order to keep their products cheap and avoid a trade deficit. That's how their economy works. Keep the Yuan cheap, keep purchasing power high, keep wages low. Rinse and repeat.
>China is still even better than India.
India isn't a country of slaves and they still produce actual art and their government isn't actively trying to destroy their culture
▶ No.987447
>>987440
Indians are superior, because Indians are whites. We should promote intermarriage between Indians and Whites.
▶ No.987468>>987484 >>987490
>>987429
Oh, it would be a disaster. Even the "winners" would be so fucked that they would possibly never recover. America in particular is not used to real war. Americans are used to safely attacking other countries from a distance, generally in conflicts that have nothing to do with them to begin with. They aren't used to having their cities demolished and burned, and their women raped so much that most of their population becomes 50% foreign after the war, and their population murdered, tortured physically, and then mentally through enemy propaganda that intends to drive the conquered to suicide. Americans aren't used to having their entire infrastructure bombed until there is nothing left. They aren't used to barely tolerating being in their own cities anymore because of the stench of the corpses under the rubble. Really, the only thing that they are used to is getting angry when the enemy fights back. And then getting their asses kicked and still continuing to believe in the fantasy that they are invulnerable because they have money to spare. If you think about it, a lot of Americans are descendants of Europeans that were running away from one war or another in the first place, so even ethnically they have little precedence. A real war will wake America up, but it will be the most painful experience imaginable. They are not prepared to deal with that. We are talking about people that are still all traumatized by 9/11 when that was nothing compared to a actual war. Modern war is too nightmarish for them to even imagine.
▶ No.987469>>987490 >>998651
>>987440
None of what you mentioned affects me even slightly and I seriously doubt that it ever will. That's why I don't hate them as much as I could, it just has nothing to do with me, so I place my hatred elsewhere. I don't say that they make everything for any reason other than the fact that they do. Everything that I see is made in China. American education has no effect on someone that isn't even American and even hates America (as everyone should, especially Americans, they definitely should hate what they have become). Anyway, they are not only being enslaved by their own government, they are being enslaved by the rest of the world. Don't forget that American corporations especially have been taking advantage of this slavery from the beginning, and all of this is only possible because people are addicted to buying cheap garbage, and that's why this system worked in the first place, and this will only stop if China collapses or westerners become too poor to buy anything (might be an improvement at this point). The west owns China. We have the money, they have the labor. Especially in America's case, since the dollar is so powerful that they could get away with printing a shitload of money for a long time, and the Chinese still want it no matter what because their entire economy is build around that, and their currency will always be shit compared to the dollar. America absolutely owns China. And the sandniggers, especially the kikes, own America.
This wouldn't have worked if people in the west were actually that much more moral than the Chinese government. Hell, you talk about mass surveillance and censorship like it doesn't happen here. It does, and in the long run it will be even worse than over there because the people doing it over here are much more subtle and that gives them a lot more control over the population than what Stalin himself could have ever hoped for. Even the cheap labor thing is being attempted. That's one of the justifications for mass immigration, isn't it? And the western masses are completely fine with all this, as long as it's here, because people in the west are worthless garbage just like everyone else if not worse. I don't give a shit if it happens in China when it's happening right here and China has absolutely nothing to do with it. I'm not going to worry about the Chinese being fucked by their own government when every government around me wants to do that to me. That's their problem, they can solve it themselves. They don't give a shit about my problems either, and they shouldn't, so it's a fair relationship of not giving a shit about each other. In fact, the people that are against all this when China does it are all suddenly in favor of it when it happens in the west. When it happens over there it's terrible (but we won't stop buying from them and manufacturing everything there, because that would be inconvenient), but when it happens over here it's perfectly fine, or not a big deal. Everyone wants the moral high ground, but no one gives a shit about actually being moral or about taking care of their own problems, so just fuck them. They are all enemies. But still, the most immediate threat is the west itself. China isn't trying to take away my freedom in any way. They are too busy fucking their own people to fuck me, and they aren't about to conquer the west either.
>Their growing middle class is forcing the government to enslave niggers in Africa
And that's a bad thing why? The only negative consequence is that there will be an incentive to allow niggers to continue to exist. Niggers have always benefited from being enslaved, because they are just that incompetent. Other than that, this means the end of slavery for their own people, hypothetically, if it actually works (I have my doubts).
▶ No.987484
>>987468
Nobody is traumatized by 9/11. Maybe at first because the MSM kept showing that footage of planes hitting the buildings, in order to get everyone riled-up and justify the plan for wars in the middle-east. But that was 15 years ago and I doubt you'll get much emotional reaction from the average american about it today. No, today it's all SJW-related shit being pushed everywhere.
▶ No.987490
>>987468
I know. Americans are only good at fighting small turd world nations and boasting about themselves.
>>987469
>Niggers have always benefited from being enslaved,
This. China is doing what whites could not do.
▶ No.988739>>990280
>shilling has gone from "china didn't install botnet chips because big tech is afraid to admit they did" to "china is based for botnet"
China's over, kids.
▶ No.990275
>>982670
fuck off blackpill faggot
▶ No.990280>>990363
>>988739
It's actually really sad seeing how desperate the 50 cent party is trying to defend their pile of dirt. Even people in China are sick of the communist party constantly spreading blatant propaganda online. I think the Chinese themselves can be good people, but the actual country of China needs to collapse for the word to be a better place, at this point even the Chinese themselves would welcome Chinas collapse with open arms.
▶ No.990363>>990377
>>990280
>trust us, choy.
>you want to collapse your government, choy
>you should celebrate your downfall, choy
>t. kike
how about, no?
▶ No.990377>>990393
>>990363
六四天安门广场大屠杀
6月4日天安门广场大屠杀
▶ No.990393
>>990377
Oy vey. The afraid merchant posts 1989 meme in a feeble attempt to deflect since he has no reply.
▶ No.990431
>>982866
Didn't read, but Christ. This faggot took reddit spacing to a whole new level.
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▶ No.998359>>998595
we need to blockade china till every starts eating dogs again and bomb them back stone age. they are the worst country. they have the real cyber punk society.
▶ No.998375
>>982866
>The entire western world allowed ALL of their computer manufacturing to end up in a nation state we/they are effectively on rocky terms with at the best of times... and now we are supposed to pretend to be surprised when something like this happens?
That's not remotely true, its largely Chinese propaganda. Most "Chinese" processors come from TSMC, which comes from Taiwan AKA real China and not the fake Commie mainland. Even still there are many chip fabs in America, Samsung just opened on in Texas recently for example, and Intel just finished their Arizona plant.
▶ No.998595
>>998359
More like China will glass the first party with nuke that gives them the dirty eye. And it will be beautiful.
▶ No.998651>>998771 >>1003429
>>987427
>>987394
>>987469
You are absolutely correct. People need to learn how to get their priorities straight. Everyone bitches and whines about "muh ebil gommunist chink surveillance" that does not affect them one bit while having even their farts tracked by 10 different american companies. When you get a new smartphone you don't see tencent, baidu, or whatever apps they have over there. No - it's facebook and google spyware that you're not even supposed to be able to remove. China is too busy with mass surveillance on its own citizens and government spying to care about you.
Everyone keeps bringing up how shit life in China is and keep pointing out their insignificant (to anyone who isn't chinese) internal problems like this stupid nigger >>987486. Why the fuck should I give an ounce of shit about car accidents over there and how chinese parents beat their children? It's like people are subconsciously trying to avoid dealing with what is an immediate thread to them and instead focus their energy and hatred towards something that barely affects them. How in the unholy fuck is anything that goes on in China supposed to be my problem while my own country is being flooded with the absolute worst subhuman garbage from the worst places on Earth by my own government?
▶ No.998752
Chinese companies are under control of Chinese government. So Chinese smartphones or servers sometimes include backdoors.
▶ No.998771
>>998651
>It's like people are subconsciously trying to avoid dealing with what is an immediate thread to them and instead focus their energy and hatred towards something that barely affects them. How in the unholy fuck is anything that goes on in China supposed to be my problem while my own country is being flooded with the absolute worst subhuman garbage from the worst places on Earth by my own government?
Oy vey, why are you asking these questions? You are not supposed to do that.
▶ No.998772>>999853 >>999859
>buy chinese botnet hardware
>install homemade GNU/Linux distro on it
>distro contains mentions of the Tiananmen Square massacre scattered throughout the source code and binaries along with racist Taiwanese puppet shows
>bugmen trying to spy on you get arrested for conspiring against Communism
▶ No.998818
>Over a month ago
>Still no real answers
▶ No.999823
>not reverse engineering the backdoor chip
>might be some overpowered military "20 years ahead" tech chip
>free beer
You guys just gotta have the right mindset.
▶ No.999843>>999904
>>982892
I heard the chinese basically stole all the tech from that lavi plane the israeli were building
So nope, the chinese chinked the jews
▶ No.999853
>>998772
Great, now I want to replay Cybernator
▶ No.999859>>999904
>>998772
>along with racist Taiwanese puppet shows
Please tell me more, are based Taiwanfags making fun of the commie mainland?
▶ No.999890>>999928 >>1003296
▶ No.999904>>1003345
>>999843
>I heard the chinese basically stole all the tech from that lavi plane the israeli were building
>So nope, the chinese chinked the jews
Good. Based Chinese.
>>999859
Please tell me more, are based Taiwanfags making fun of the commie mainland?
Not among the wisest of ideas.
▶ No.999928>>1008467 >>1011091
>>999890
I wonder if some friends of (((Bloomberg))) just wanted to buy up some tech companies on the cheap.
>The Bloomberg article -- published on October 3 – wiped more than 40 per cent off Super Micro's share price within a matter of hours. But, despite all the three main companies included in the report – Apple, Amazon and Super Micro – all strenuously denying the story was true, Super Micro's share price has not recovered.
>It hit a low of $12.46 following the story, a gut-wrenching plunge from $21.40, but as of the time of writing, the share price is $14.74. That represents a recovery of 9 per cent but it is still down 31 per cent from before the story was published.
▶ No.1003296>>1003300 >>1003318
>>999890
The problem is that to protect their own stock values, of COURSE google and amazon would deny everything vehemently. It could crash the US economy if they didn't deny it.
▶ No.1003300
>>1003296
>Google and Amazon are the US economy
>Still not a single shred of evidence
>Bumping this over and done with thread
Retarded or some agent? Hmmm
▶ No.1003318
>>1003296
That's the issue.
Even if they truly aren't backdoored, no one would believe them on that as it would be in the best financial interests of those corporations to vehemently deny any shred of evidence for their supply chain or manufacturing being compromised by malicious third-parties. Despite what some of the china-dindu-nuthin larpers around the internet and corporate shills running interference to protect their stocks may tell you- such an attack vector is not only possible, but in all likelihood already in deployment given how useful it'd be to a nation with such far-reaching influence as China. And that's not even considering the fact that the chips themselves can be surreptitiously sabatoged or bugged at the fabrication level, nor how far nations will go to remain at the top of the geopolitics game.
Always be skeptical of the denials offered up by global megacorporations, as the chances of their interests lining up with yours are very slim unless you fit a certain political profile they find useful at the moment. Any chance they can take reduce lost profits and keep government officials in lockstep with them is a chance they will take, and take with all their monetary and sociopolitical weight. They are practically governments unto themselves.
▶ No.1003345>>1003866
>>999904
In a recent chink film awards show held in Taiwan, someone said in support of the independence of the island. Then the PRC livestream of that show was cut off.
▶ No.1003429>>1003866
▶ No.1003866>>1003886 >>1003887 >>1004092
>>1003345
Source.
>>1003429
Moshe, you can cry 50 cents all you want. I am picking Chinese/Russian over (((CIA/NSA/FBI/MOSSAD))) any day of the week. And proud of it.
▶ No.1003886>>1004084 >>1004193
>>1003866
If you can be as kind as to remove yourself from this website as it is founded by Americans and hosted in Reno, Nevada then, that would be just great. Leave this website. Your first step into choosing China/Russia over America begins now!
▶ No.1003887>>1004084
>>1003866
8chan is also currently banned in Russia and China by the way, if you truly support their authority it is only wise to cease your use of this website as it is in direct violation of their cultural policy. Thank you
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▶ No.1004084>>1004179
>>1003887
>>1003886
no and no
I support China and Russia and I also post in 8chan.
▶ No.1004092
>>1003866
Russia and China are kiked to hell and back too though.
▶ No.1004179>>1004193
>>1004084
>I support China and Russia and I also post in 8chan.
Oxymoron since 8chan is banned in these places, it tells me most of all you aren't even from these locations
▶ No.1004193
>>1004179
Russia doesn't do deep packet inspection you retard. Easy to circumvent those 'bans'.
>>1003886
>remove yourself from this website, bro!
Nah trolling Americucks is half the fun
▶ No.1008467
>>982580 (OP)
CIA niggers workin hard here I see (((>>1003318))) (((>>1003296)))
(((They))) did the story for some insider trading >>999928 or a increase in the propaganda machine to prepare for an upcoming war with China. Tensions are high, and goyims are gonna die for the (((military))).
The Middle east is stabilizing and the (((military))) needs another reason to pickpocket the taxes from the goyim.
The Far East is the sequel,
▶ No.1011091
>>999928
I too would question the article, it contains very serious allegations without a shred of evidence
The companies deny it, so it's just a question of who you believe (not (((them)).
Bloomberg should have fully expected a denial, so why run the story with no evidence unless it was a scare?