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Source? Also how would this all continue to work when after the tech giants start to mess with it?

>Anyone using the platform will get a Solid identity and Solid pod

This info must be read somehow. What's keeping someone from caching it on another machine? What if you don't want any identity? Does it work over TCP/IP or is it something completely different? It sounds interesting, but I'm not sure how he will overcome these issues.

>>979645

Well, here are the docs on the official page: https://solid.inrupt.com/docs

Maybe someone less lazy than me can figure it out.

>>979645

It seems like it will work over TCP/IP, and will be based on extensions to HTTP, HTML, etc.

>>979651

I still don't understand how this will keep the other party from saving the info while reading it then selling it to someone else.

>>979629

>how would some vaporware made by one of the main retards who made the web continue to work when the tech giants start to mess with it

>>979619 (OP)

Don't we have IPFS already?

>>979664

How does that prevent someone copying everything you shared and share it again for profit?

<identities

Wew

1984, niggers. Welcome to your e-identity which is your government ID.

>>979656

This. He is Tim Berners-Lee pushed for WebDRM and ultimately made it an official standard. There is alse "venture backing ", so capitalist leeches looking to charge rent, and you are the moron who will finance their profits..

>>979670

a. that's not an issue

b. it can't be prevented

c. software that tries to prevent it is bloat and botnet

>>979619 (OP)

> Anyone using the platform will get a Solid identity and Solid pod.

Internet ID

>>979686

Can you clearly, without sperging out and making my screen orange with cheeto dust, explain the problem its trying to solve?

'Decentralized web platform' is the new investor attracting buzzword there's even a comedy show called Silicon Valley about this very premise.

>A NETSCAPE FOR TODAY’S INTERNET

The only reason why Netscape was such a game changer is the competent people who realized that users were going to be spending more time using the web browsers of the future more than the operating system beneath once the internet started gaining traction. I remember one of the early creators of Netscape boasting that the OS was going to be mitigated to the background as a service layer when everything moved to the web. He was right.

>>979664

Will never gain any traction. see >>979708

>bored and go on HipsterNews for first time in 6 years

>top post is about Solid. 500 upvotes

lol why did i expect anything different

and "Hundreds of academics at top UK universities accused of bullying"

KEK

>>979619 (OP)

Tim Berners-Lee isn't as clever as many people seem to believe he is. He didn't create the idea of hypertext, and if he hadn't developed the "Web" at CERN, someone else would have developed something similar. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time, and his was the idea that caught on, particularly because plebs like pretty pictures (which Gopher doesn't do, at least inline).

Berners-Lee has spent the past 20 years trying to come up with his next act. There were dozens (hundreds?) of articles in the late 90s and early 00s about how his Semantic Web was going to be the next big thing, and of course that never went anywhere. The only reason anyone takes him seriously is because of what he started at CERN. That will remain his life's greatest, and only significant, accomplishment. He's just another Idea Guy™.

>>979782

the Xanadu dudes invented hypertext, not Gopher, if that's what you're implying

>start reading

>magic fairytale style of writing

I guess I'll have to wait until the next thread about this to find out what this is about

>>979929

Same article with all the stupid bullshit removed:

<This week, Berners-Lee will launch, Inrupt, a startup that he has been building to decentralize the web

<Berners-Lee and other internet activists want individuals to control their own data and for the internet to remain free and open.

<Ever since revelations emerged that Facebook had allowed people’s data to be misused by political operatives, Berners-Lee has felt an imperative to do this. Berners-Lee explains that he is taking a sabbatical from MIT to work full time on Inrupt. The company will be the first major commercial venture built off of Solid, a decentralized web platform he and others at MIT have spent years building.

<If all goes as planned, Inrupt will be to Solid what Netscape once was for many first-time users of the web: an easy way in. And like with Netscape, Berners-Lee hopes Inrupt will be just the first of many companies to emerge from Solid.

<“I have been imagining this for a very long time,” says Berners-Lee.He pushes the laptop toward me so I too can see.

<On his screen, there is a simple-looking web page with tabs across the top. The app, using Solid’s decentralized technology, allows Berners-Lee to access all of his data seamlessly--his calendar, his music library, videos, chat, research. It’s like a mashup of Google Drive, Microsoft Outlook, Slack, Spotify, and WhatsApp.

>The difference here is that, on Solid, all the information is under his control. Every bit of data he creates or adds on Solid exists within a Solid pod--which is an acronym for personal online data store. These pods are what give Solid users control over their applications and information on the web. Anyone using the platform will get a Solid identity and Solid pod. This is how people, Berners-Lee says, will take back the power of the web from corporations.

>For example, one idea Berners-Lee is currently working on is a way to create a decentralized version of Alexa, Amazon’s increasingly ubiquitous digital assistant. He calls it Charlie. Unlike with Alexa, on Charlie people would own all their data. That means they could trust Charlie with, for example, health records, children’s school events, or financial records. That is the kind of machine Berners-Lee hopes will spring up all over Solid to flip the power dynamics of the web from corporation to individuals.

>>979938

So who hosts the "pod"?

>>979655

Licensing probably. They can't sell the cached data. Kinda like Last.fm: you upload your scrobbles and just because Zuckerberg can follow your profile and see your obscure tastes, doesn't mean he can use it and sell it. It's not licensed to him. If everyone personally licenses their own information, only they can sell it; therefore, kikebook cannot.

although I'm also speaking out of my ass and this could be entirely wrong, rights-burner lee is a sellout and a traitor after all

>>979782

>Tim Berners-Lee isn't as clever as many people seem to believe he is.

You can apply the same frase practically whit anyone. For example:

>Bjarne Stroustrup isn't as clever as many people seem to believe he is.

I think he get close to the heart of the issue: people want their own servers, but they don't have those, so their using all these webapps instead. You want to be able to use your mail client from anywhere, but you can't install apps on your friends computer, and if you did it wouldn't have your settings. So you use webmail instead, and give yourself to the goolag. What people would ideally do is rent a vm on a server somewhere, and run a custom email server + web server there, which they could access from anywhere.

But the real problem with the web today is that people don't want to pay for shit. People use facebook yes because they want to do social networking but someone needs to host the profiles, but also because it's free (and all your friends are on it). It can only manage to be free because it takes data from its users and shows them ads. Any service that doesn't find a way to charge people money and still be popular is doomed to recreate the same solution.

I trust that tim has good intentions, but I'd be willing to bet this goes nowhere.

>>979708

But don't you see that tim is trying to do the same thing?

>On his screen, there is a simple-looking web page with tabs across the top: Tim’s to-do list, his calendar, chats, address book. He built this app--one of the first on Solid–for his personal use.

He is using solid to host applications. This completes the circle of the web browser replacing the OS.

>>979655

My guess is that you will only let people you know look at the data. You're trusting that they wont sell it/by mistake give it away.

>>979819

>the Xanadu dudes invented hypertext, not Gopher, if that's what you're implying

It was not. And while Ted Nelson coined the word hypertext, the concept predates him, too.

>>979955

You're correct. However, Bjarne Stroustrup is quite a bit more clever than Tim Berners-Lee.

>>979939

It seems to be akin to federation, so basically anyone can. You could, your friend could, more likely there will be some popular and less popular providers.

Join me in the KEKPOD. when it exists

>>979955

Checked. He solved the puzzle that was before everyone. The pieces were available to all, but he actually did it. He deserves recognition.

>>979979

Interesting dubs.

Hypertext was an invention, like the web, that would have eventually occurred. However, it could have taken decades more time to discover.

Consider Twitter. It wasn't invented back then, but it could have been. But eventually scrolling the other way, and constraining to telegram-ish length would have been invented.

GO REGISTER YOUR PODS

>>979992

frizzy haired jew on the left, big mouthed jewess on the right, yep, it's real.

>>979964

_of course_ the god of webshotters loves CoC

>For example, one idea Berners-Lee is currently working on is a way to create a decentralized version of Alexa, Amazon’s increasingly ubiquitous digital assistant. He calls it Charlie. Unlike with Alexa, on Charlie people would own all their data.

<Alexa? you mean stats of how much traffic sites get? yeah I guess you can easily implement that on any decentralized hypertext network. oh wait he's talking about le AI assistant. jesus christ...

_of course_ the king of web shotters goes for the most retarded shit

>That means they could trust Charlie with, for example, health records, children’s school events, or financial records.

No, you can't, because markoff chains will just misinterpret everything you say, and combined with typical webshotting bugs the result will be posting all your data to nsa.com/<all_your_data>

>That is the kind of machine Berners-Lee hopes will spring up all over Solid to flip the power dynamics of the web from corporation to individuals.

Okay meanwhile I still can't do basic article browsing and some basic automation like aggregation on any existing hypertext platform. Instead I need to install JS and convince NSA/cuckflare+recaptcha to let me grab your shitty 3 paragraph article and write a special snowflake parser for it if i want to view it in a way that doesn't require a 1BLOC web browser.

Does this do anything that can't be accomplished with Retroshare?

>>980086

its backwards compatible

>>979645

Is this like Urbit?

>>980086

I'm not that familiar with Retroshare, but it doesn't appear to do anything that installing diaspora and OwnCloud would do.

>>979705

Why do you want to restrict people's ability to freely disseminate information? The problem it's trying to solve is people want to host shit that gets taken down (like movies) and IPFS offers a way to host a website like a torrent meaning all of the users of the website can host it which greatly helps to resist censorship. On top of that it's just faster than centralized hosting (if its popular, at least).

It's only a problem if you're a copyright advocate, in which case fuck off.

I'm calling it before reading it, It's gonna be a meme isn't it?

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IT'S A FUCKING MEME

>>979964

<phoneposting

>not linking to its full contents

http://archive.is/YDwLO

The one who implemented it is a co-founder of some literally who tech business consultancy whose higher-ups are almost all wypipo.

>>980429

This

>Solid is a set of modular specifications, which build on, and extend the founding technology of the world wide web (HTTP, REST, HTML). They are 100% backwards compatible with the existing web. Each spec, taken in isolation, provides extra features to an existing system. However, when used in combination, they enable exciting new possibilities for web sites and applications.

>Manipulating linked data with rdflib.js

This is supposed to be a "radical new plan" but it's just more JavaScript bullshit. An Anon here mentioned the Overton window and it explains how shills can make you only think about policies acceptable to them. Keeping HTTP, REST, HTML, and JavaScript is considered "radical" so that means any attempt at replacing them becomes "unthinkable."

The reason I would want a "radical new plan to upend the World Wide Web" is very simple. Web browsers are tens of millions of lines of code, HTML, CSS, and JavaScript are all too complicated and suck, and they keep getting more bloated by adding bullshit instead of replacing them with something better. Most of JavaScript was "defined" by the unintentional results of whatever the Netscape interpreter happened to do, just like C and the PDP-11, instead of any clear thinking about language design. Current browsers also depend on C or C++, which means millions more lines of code in the compiler. If you want something else, like a Lisp OS or an Ada OS, you will still need a C++ compiler for the browser. A small browser would allow many implementations in any language.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

>The Overton window is an approach to identifying which ideas define the domain of acceptability within a democracy's possible governmental policies. Proponents of policies outside the window seek to convince or persuade the public in order to move and/or expand the window. Proponents of current policies, or similar ones, within the window seek to convince people that policies outside it should be deemed unacceptable.

    But it's much worse than than because you need to invoke
this procedure call before entering the block.
Preallocating the storage doesn't help you.  I'll almost
guarantee you that the answer to the question "what's
supposed to happen when I do <the thing above>?" used to be
"gee, I don't know, whatever the PDP-11 compiler did."  Now
of course, they're trying to rationalize the language after
the fact.  I wonder if some poor bastard has tried to do a
denotational semantics for C.  It would probably amount to a
translation of the PDP-11 C compiler into lambda calculus.

How big of a role do you think Tim Berners-Lee actually had in creating this? It feels to me like Solid MIT is just using him as a mascot to get publicity.

>setup solid server

>none of the default pages actually fucking work

>make a new pod on inrupt

>doesn't work there either

10/10

btw this is a meme, look at their GitHub and laugh.

I'm confused. How is this different fron p2p systems? It's still using http/https

>>982822

>How is this different fron p2p systems?

Most p2p systems function.

This doesn't.

That is how it is different.

>>982822

You don't have anonymity and there is a single point of failure for everything.

Solving a hardware problem with software? That's like the downloading more ram meme. Only thing that will save us is the mesh network. Which can be shutdown by the FCC.... so...