[–]▶ No.979241>>979281 >>979296 >>979389 >>987023 >>997521 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]
Is the Voyage 200 too OP?
Is easy to program for and to modify, objectively better than anything before, its CAS already too. The only pros the nspire calculators can hold is color screen and templates for operations.
If someone from the HP and Casio corner can enlighten us it would be very appreciated.
▶ No.979259>>979283
>not using RPN
Brainlet, get an HP 50g, Swissmicros DM42, or a WP-34s.
▶ No.979281
>>979241 (OP)
>Is the Voyage 200 too OP?
It's virtually the same calculator as the TI-89. Same proc, basically the same OS. The only reason it was banned on standardized tests is because of the qwerty keyboard.
Because the TI-89 was allowed on standardized tests while the V2k was not, I would say it was the 89 that was OP.
▶ No.979283>>979292
>>979259
>Cabamap is a flash application for the 83+/SE that performs arbitrary-precision integer calculations. Simply stated, it can do things like calculate the exact value of 2000! or 2^1024. It uses RPN (Reverse Polish Notation) as the user interface, and is intended as a complete system for long integer calculations. The only limit is available memory (roughly 24000 digits).
https://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/323/32326.html
▶ No.979292>>979353
>>979283
Just, no. Also that's not anything the 50G can't do.
▶ No.979296>>979316 >>979423
>>979241 (OP)
>objectively better than anything before,
except any smartphone since the beginning of smartphones
▶ No.979316>>979318 >>997785
>>979296
Smartphones:
>no physical buttons
>terrible battery life
>full of annoying distractions
>no serial ports or infra red
Calculator:
>real buttons
>battery life measured in months or years
>no distractions
>often have serial, IR, etc.
▶ No.979318>>979322
>>979316
You shouldn't be using a calculator for any real math class. Period.
▶ No.979322>>979323 >>990806
>>979318
>math class
I use a calculator when doing math, I'm not a student.
▶ No.979323>>979354 >>979364 >>980025 >>982794
>>979322
Then you must do simple math. You could be using python, R, matlab, octave, etc.
▶ No.979353
>>979292
>Just, no.
Not an argument.
▶ No.979354>>979367
>>979323
Is there anything wrong with doing simple math?
▶ No.979364
>>979323
>none of which run on a calculator which has a battery life measured in months or more
The HP 50G can do most anything any of those programs can.
Not everybody wants to be saddled with a laptop or adult Game Boy all the time kid.
▶ No.979367>>979388
>>979354
No. Enjoy your calculator.
▶ No.979388
As far as OP goes, the best programming environment for modern calculators is probably RPL, followed by Casio’s BASIC and lastly TI Basic. RPN is exactly like assembly language and can be understood by anybody because you’re just recording keystrokes and playing them back until you get into looping and indirect register addressing and other advanced topics. It even supports (depending on the calculator) graphics and sound. RPL is also stack based but you have an infinite stack, and you can push more than numbers to it. It’s closer to Factor than it is to Lisp.
The HP 50G has almost 1200 functions built in, a full CAS, and is basically a complete portable Mathematica. Get one while you still can, they are skyrocketing in price as they were recently discontinued but you can still get a good condition used one for less than $100.
Casio and TI suck for on-device development, everything is modal, there is no unified device interface. It’s total ass. Also TI hates their users even more than Apple does, they’re rapists.
>>979367
>implying calculators can’t do everything those programs can
RPL and RPN are both Turing complete and the interface is better. Also if you have highly secret research or are working with algorithms you wish to keep secret, a modern spyware in hardware computer or phone are dumb to use.
▶ No.979389
>>979241 (OP)
TI uses Derive CAS, HP uses xcas which is free software.
▶ No.979423>>980192
>>979296
>using a smartphone instead of a real calculator
kek
▶ No.980025>>980182
>>979323
>Then you must do simple math. You could be using python, R, matlab, octave, etc.
I have a calculator with Python
▶ No.980044
I've been using a Casio fx-9750 GII for uni. It's been pretty comfy for the price (around 30~40 $.)
It's (or was) the entry level graphical calculator from Casio, but there's a way to flash the firmware of other Casio claculators on it. Not that it lacked anything necessary for my CS classes anyway, but it's an option. I did it just to gain Natural Display, but it has several new operations available, too.
Overall 8/10 would recommend. I just wish manufacturers would be honest and price them at 10 bucks or so, which is definetly what they should cost.
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▶ No.980192
>>979423
>using a computer instead of an abacus
jej
▶ No.980195>>980281
>>980182
There's not much to explain
https://edu.casio.com/products/graphic/fxcg50/
>Python function added
It's a calculator that had a python interpreter added last update.
▶ No.980273>>980326 >>980463 >>980582 >>980659 >>982153
Texas Instruments has been charging the same highway robbery prices for their exact same calculator models going on ~30 years now. When are people going to put their monopoly in the ground already? There's not reason affordable graphing calculators shouldn't have progressed way beyond TI-83s already.
▶ No.980281>>980892
>>980195
Serious question: can it run Django?
▶ No.980285>>980290 >>980459
The TI z80 based calculators are to my knowledge the only calculators that can run free software.
▶ No.980290
▶ No.980326
>>980273
I got a perfectly nice TI-83+ for $6 at a thrift store and felt robbed.
I've a newer ~$13 fx-115ES and a old(from the 90s) fx-115W I like much more but I can't program them.
▶ No.980459>>980904
>>980285
There is a completely Free GPL2 replacement OS for the HP 50G series now, called newrpl. It aims to duplicate all dunctions but it's written in C rather than Saturn assembly under emulation, it's about 80% done and is quite usable now.
▶ No.980463
>>980273
They also engineer the TI-84+ to break, kek.
The battery is literally just a positive and negative poking stick than eventually destroy the connection
▶ No.980582
>>980273
Monopoly ends when you install Graph89 and download my 68k TI archive of goodies!
https://my.mixtape.moe/ywamfm.7z
▶ No.980659
>>980273
Fucking Ti-83 was ~$150 CAD when I got one around 12 years ago, and it still is despite competing products blowing it away (and being cheaper too... what the fuck?).
▶ No.980728>>980740 >>980787 >>997860
What would you typically use a graphing calculator for nowadays, having laptops available most of the time? I'm curious. Fascinated by those things, but never had one.
Having CAS programs available on the go, e.g. for involved calculations that you need to run once in a while in the lab, seems like it would be useful. Or drawing graphs on the go to visually check if some measurements have gone wrong.
You are not supposed to draw graphs for reports with it, are you? It could be done with R pretty fast, with the additional plus that graphs can be customized.
I wish I had one of these when I began studying - would've helped in understanding some things, since manipulation is so hands-on. They're usually not allowed for exams, though.
▶ No.980740>>980745
>>980728
>R
Mathematica masterrace
▶ No.980745>>980750
>>980740
Mathematica seems great, but I've never seen a reason to switch. I should be able to do most of the things with R just as good - for free as in free beer.
What have you been studying that you've came to use it?
▶ No.980750>>980787
>>980745
R and numpy are pretty much all you need.
▶ No.980787>>980804
>>980728
Graphing calculators can be used for more than just drawing plots. The HP 50G has a full periodic table onboard which makes it easy to pull data regarding elements right down onto the stack for calculations. Many people just like having the larger screen for inputting equations into the solver, writing programs, or just seeing more lines of the stack.
>>980750
Mathematica gives you access to a huge amount of data ready to be used, and python is for the brain damaged.
▶ No.980804>>980863
>>980787
>Mathematica gives you access to a huge amount of data ready to be used
Who cares? Why the fuck aren't you out there generating your own data? When I was in college we had terabytes and terabytes of hot fresh data to crunch. I'm not talking some major university, either. It was a tiny little college.
>>980787
>python is for the brain damaged.
No more than matlab. I'll take scipy and numpy over matlab any day.
▶ No.980863>>983024
>>980804
>Who cares? Why the fuck aren't you out there generating your own data?
wut
>we had terabytes and terabytes of hot fresh data to crunch
wut
>scipy and numpy over matlab any day
wut
Listen kid I'm sure you had fun in your Intro To Big Data course down at the community center but this is a board for adults, OK?
▶ No.980866
>thread about calculators
>generation z children shit it up because they don't know what a calculator is or what you use them for
Pretty classic thread demonstrating the low nature of kids these days.
▶ No.980892
>>980281
I don't know.
My current job leaves me with almost no time to investigate stuff and I don't have the update yet
it's forcing me to make a shitdows partition because the calc doesn't want to play nice with VMs
▶ No.980904>>980920
>>980459
That looks much more usable than KnightOS.
▶ No.980920
>>980904
Kinda sucks that the 50G hardware has gotten so expensive since it was discontinued though. I bought one like a decade ago and a second one about two years ago when they were blowing out the last new inventory for $39 a pop. Now a NIB example will cost you $400 and a decent used unit is over $100.
Frankly I think the original firmware is still more usable for most people but I appreciate the effort and it's moving forward every day with active development.
▶ No.980937>>980949 >>980975 >>981305
This is a good thread, let's list out calculators in order of great to shitty!
GOD TIER
WP34s
DM42
HP 50G
HP 48G/GX
HP 42s
HP 41 series
HP 15C
HP 16C
Swissmicros clones of HP calcs
HP 71b
SHIT TIER
Anything Casio makes, anything TI makes, HP Prime, everything else.
▶ No.980949
>>980937
Forgot the HP-67, the HP 12C, and the HP 32S/SII.
Basically most HP RPN machines are great and you can get replacement motherboards for them which greatly enhance their memory, speed, and connectivity.
▶ No.980952>>980957
my TI 89 titanium never failed me. If you are doing anything above what a cs major does ie engineering you need a calculator that solves simultaneous equations with unreal numbers. not alot of the calculators people recommend can do this other then a few counter examples.
▶ No.980957>>980961
>>980952
Most any calculator with a CAS can do that, and most HP calculators with RPN have programs to tackle every engineering situation out there.
The TI 89 isn't a bad calculator, it's just not a good one. The modal UI makes it really a pain in the ass as well.
With an HP everything goes on the stack, it's the best UI.
▶ No.980961>>980963
>>980957
honestly I only use solve and matrixes and sometimes thr calculus functions. the type of calculator doesnt really matter aslong as it can do that well enough. its defintly not worth buying another calculator at least for me
▶ No.980963>>980968 >>981305
>>980961
If you get used to RPN / RPL you'll throw that piece of trash away and never look back.
▶ No.980968>>980971
>>980963
but can you dell do this
▶ No.980971>>980999
>>980968
50G can do that. You can even make it's solver show each individual step as you'd do it on paper.
▶ No.980975>>980982
>>980937
Casio calculators are not bad. They're just geared toward students.
▶ No.980982
>>980975
If you define "not bad" as having a mishmash of different "apps" instead of a consistent UI, they're not bad I suppose. But they're not that great either.
Calculators geared toward students these days are neutered and the calculator manufacturers are openly hostile to their customers so they can retain the coveted exam-approved status.
▶ No.980999>>981010 >>981348
>>980971
why would i want individual steps
▶ No.981010>>981048
>>980999
So you can see what the calculator is doing? You can turn it off if you don't want to see step by step mode.
▶ No.981048>>981093
>>981010
you know computers dont solve integrals like us humans do. the method is faked to make it into what us humans do.
▶ No.981093
>>981048
Of course (some) computers use the same method we do. Try it out with an HP 50G emulator.
▶ No.981305>>981352 >>981448 >>982744
>>980937
>Anything Casio makes, anything TI makes, HP Prime
Do you have something to back that statement up with?
>>980963
>RPN
That seems like a meme. Algebraic mode isn't the only option, there's also textbook mode on most calculators. I've never seen RPN being used outside of fortran and "it uses less keystrokes on a calculator" isn't much of an upside for me.
▶ No.981348
>>980999
It's for cheating on math assignments anon.
▶ No.981352>>981370 >>997348 >>997373 >>997786
>>981305
> I've never seen RPN being used outside of fortran
The HP-12C is an RPN calculator that is exceptionally popular in financial industries; they've been selling it for nearly 40 years. I remember 20 years ago my father taught me how to use his.
▶ No.981370>>981379
>>981352
I get that people have gotten used to it or appreciate it in some other way and therefore want to keep using it. I just don't see how it is that much more useful when you have textbook mode available.
▶ No.981379
>>981370
It's faster for them.
▶ No.981448>>981533
>>981305
>Do you have something to back that statement up with?
The most powerful thing in the world, autism.
>That seems like a meme. Algebraic mode isn't the only option, there's also textbook mode on most calculators. I've never seen RPN being used outside of fortran and "it uses less keystrokes on a calculator" isn't much of an upside for me.
It makes it easier to play with numbers and input long expressions IMHO. No need for nested parenthesis either.
▶ No.981533>>981636
>>981448
>makes it easier to play with numbers
what is that even supposed to mean?
>makes it easier to input long expressions
you terminate your RPN expressions with enter or the manipulation you want to do, how is that easier than inputting in textbook mode? If I made a mistake I can immediately correct the formula, no need to see the wrong result since it is already apparent. Correction is also faster because I don't have to deal with the stack. There's also not much nesting of parenthesis in textbook mode either. You are arguing against algebraic mode, when I explicitly said there's textbook mode available on most calculators.
▶ No.981636>>982049 >>982105
>>981533
>what is that even supposed to mean?
Pretend you want to try out a couple different values in a computation, your intermediate results are stored to the stack and pressing 'enter' by itself puts a copy of the X register (the bottom line) into the Y register for you, you can easily try out a computation, drop it, and retry.
With a TI or a Casio you have to up arrow into the equation or copy it and paste in the new values, with RPN it's one single keystroke to get the same situation.
>>981533
>you terminate your RPN expressions with enter or the manipulation you want to do, how is that easier than inputting in textbook mode? If I made a mistake I can immediately correct the formula, no need to see the wrong result since it is already apparent. Correction is also faster because I don't have to deal with the stack. There's also not much nesting of parenthesis in textbook mode either. You are arguing against algebraic mode, when I explicitly said there's textbook mode available on most calculators.
Textbook mode's for plebs and kids though.
▶ No.982049>>982134
>>981636
>Textbook mode's for plebs and kids though
▶ No.982105>>982134
>>981636
>Textbook mode's for plebs and kids though.
I too hate myself
▶ No.982134>>982171
>>982105
>>982049
"Textbook mode" is just a trademark for glorified pretty-printed infix. It's meant to be easy for novices, not better than RPN for experienced users.
What Casio called "textbook mode" is how the TI-89 always operates, and nobody sings the praises of that; they just lament the absence of RPN.
▶ No.982153>>982154
>>980273
They own the textbook market in the USA and Canada, there is no reason for a student to buy any other brand. Without real competition, there's no need to innovate. TI's calculators of today are running a 68k emulator on arm or a real 68k with firmware going back to the mid-1990s developed for the TI-92.
▶ No.982154>>982569
>>982153
Did they stop selling the z80 calculators?
▶ No.982171>>982178 >>982573
>>982134
>glorified pretty-printed infix
it's not necessary to have as many nested parenthesis as in algebraic mode, so not sure what you're saying here. Of course it's infix.
>It's meant to be easy for novices
No, it's meant to display formulas as you would write them down.
There's not much reason to learn RPN if you've not already done so.
▶ No.982178
>>982171
>it's not necessary to have as many nested parenthesis as in algebraic mode
I'm saying it's literally just pretty-printed infix.
>It's meant to be easy for novices
>No, it's meant to display formulas as you would write them down.
Tomato, Tomato. Inexperienced children need the calculator look like the textbook. Experienced users do not. RPN is faster, but thinking with a stack is difficult for inexperienced children.
▶ No.982569>>982635
>>982154
Yeah quite a long time ago. I think it's still used in the non-graphing calculator market. The TI Nspire might be running natively on the ARM (not in emulation) though.
▶ No.982573
>>982171
>it's meant to display formulas as you would write them down
All this was done to help niggers to understand math. It's not working though.
▶ No.982635>>982704
>>982569
Wow, so no more 83/84 line? I had no idea.
▶ No.982704
>>982635
Looks like I'm wrong, they do indeed still make a Z80 line. Wew lad.
▶ No.982744>>982793 >>982860
>>981305
Forth uses RPN. Good shit, Maynard!
▶ No.982793>>982806
>>982744
People call HP's RPL a lisp dialect but it's much closer to Forth. HP did produce several Forth-capable machines, the HP-41 and the HP-71b both could take Forth software packs. Also one can install one of the many fine MS-DOS Forths on the HP MS-DOS palmtop line.
▶ No.982794>>982817
>>979323
>anybody who isn't a student only does simple math
Where the fuck are they getting you idiot kids from anyway?
▶ No.982806>>982846
>>982793
Calling RPN "lisp" is just silly. RPN is postfix notation, lisp is prefix notation.
▶ No.982817>>982846 >>983020
>>982794
If you can do your math on a calculator it is simple math. Real math requires supercomputer clusters running in the cloud. You would know this, if you knew math. Which you don't. Because you are a calculator user.
▶ No.982846>>982859
>>982806
RPL is RPN but only RPL is RPL.
>>982817
>If you can do your math on a calculator it is simple math. Real math requires supercomputer clusters running in the cloud.
You're an idiot but here's a (You) anyway.
▶ No.982859
>>982846
>RPL is RPN but only RPL is RPL.
Irrelevant, it's postfix not prefix. It's rather similar to forth but has jack-shit to do with lisp.
Not prefix; not s-expressions, no particular emphasis on list processing; NOT LISP.
▶ No.982860
>>982744
Yeah, meant to write Forth, not Fortran, sorry
▶ No.982935>>983036 >>983100
What's a good OP calculator for someone who's new to them like me?
▶ No.983020
>>982817
> Real math requires supercomputer clusters running in the cloud.
> t. real Rôleplayer
▶ No.983024>>983192
>>980863
>proprietary Matlab is better than something
Like what? LuaJIT?
http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2009-11/msg00357.html
Can't find anything supporting your claim. KEK.
▶ No.983036
>>982935
First you gotta think to yourself, am I willing to learn how to use this thing? What kind of math do you do? Do you like to program computers?
If you get an HP 12C financial calculator you can teach yourself RPN and keystroke programming and finance all at once.
▶ No.983042
Did anyone else write their first program in TI-Basic? Man, I still remember sitting in math class, ignoring everything the teacher said while making a little text-based adventure game on my TI-83. Good times.
▶ No.983100>>983246
>>982935
TI-36X Pro saw me through 4 years of an electrical engineering degree. If you need anything more you boot up your laptop and use matlab or some shit.
▶ No.983192
>>983024
It's really no fair comparing anything to LuaJIT because 9 times out of 10 LuaJIT will wipe the floor with anything else.
But more to the point, it's no fair comparing a numerical suite against anything else when you're not testing a vectorized operation. How fast does Matlab with BLAS do matrix multiplication compared to how fast can LuaJIT speed up a straight forward implementation of matrix multiplication? THAT would actually be interesting to see. The best in class hand optimized linear algebra vs the best in class JIT optimized linear algebra.
▶ No.983246
>>983100
A good CAS calculator can do nearly everything Matlab can without Matlab's annoying c-derived language. The HP 50G has a step by step mode which shows you everything it's doing in each computation as well, and even allows you to alter its behavior if you have a tough integral or some shit problem which it doesn't like.
Computers have a speed advantage but as far as completeness CAS calculators have matched them feature for feature for over two decades.
▶ No.984531
Bump, calculators don't use SystemD.
▶ No.985563>>987025
WHY ISN'T /TECH/ INTERESTED IN CALCULATORS
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▶ No.987025>>990630
>>985563
Carly Fiorina shut down the only good calculators that ever existed. I stopped caring a logn time ago.
▶ No.987385
▶ No.987678>>987714 >>987921 >>987990
HP 48G, I never liked math before, but once I got one, it really changed my perception on math.
This calculator's essential in my job. Financial and HR management. It really is a different approach and I like it.
▶ No.987690
▶ No.987714>>988191
>>987678
i like it anon, very nice. i always have found it handy to have a physical calculator within reach while at my computer or on the road. I have a simple casio for now, bought it when I was in High school and it still werks good
▶ No.987921>>988191 >>988199
>>987678
>A french furry on win 98
Now I've seen everything
▶ No.987990>>988191
>>987678
Do you use Metakernel?
>>987688
BASIC was great, we really lost out when it was no longer the default environment on computers.
▶ No.988191>>988735
>>987714
oh yeah and when you need to check the results of a whole excel page, it gets the job done better than calc.exe without moving it all around.
>>987921
NT4 SP6 ! The wifi driver of this atheros stick is well made, and al works smoothly on this 600X
>>987990
nah, never heard of it before.
▶ No.988199>>988556
>>987921
Looks more like a brony tbh. Anyway what else is he going to run on a 64 MB computer? Modern X11 will eat up more than that by itself, and the rest of modern Unix/Linux isn't very lean either.
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:600X
▶ No.988556
>>988199
It has 384Mb now, more than ever needed.
Windows NT4 workstation is fine, fast, and very safe.
▶ No.988735>>989690
>>988191
You should install Metakernel right away, it's great.
▶ No.989690>>990593
>>988735
tried it
from https://www.hpcalc.org/hp48/apps/mk/mk.php got the rom on my 48g emulator, but it's like changing the OS of a computer, a,d I've been using the 48G like this for a long long time. Even if it's got more features I prefer to keep using things like I have the habit to. But that's a huge work they done; though!
▶ No.990593
>>989690
On real hardware it gives a massive speedup to the interface, I'd imagine on an emulator that doesn't really matter though.
▶ No.990630
>>987025
>A president with a face like that, can you imagine?
▶ No.990641>>990799
While I have fond memories of punching equations into the cumbersome TI-92, I would never touch it now that I know how to program. There's no reason to use calculators for any real math work. It's relegated to an arithmetic crutch used in primary schools.
▶ No.990799>>990857
>>990641
Many people prefer to use a calculator because they don't have a bunch of whizzy distractions, the battery lasts a long time, and it's always ready for real work.
It's OK if you don't want to use one but you must be awfully hot and bothered to see it necessary to join the thread and make such a comment. Sad!
▶ No.990806>>990874
>>979322
I literally just open Python when I want to do maths
▶ No.990831
>I literally just
You talk like a faggot
>open Python
newfag
>do maths
Grownups are talking, kid. Sit this thread out until you advance past pre-calc.
▶ No.990857>>990859
>>990799
Nothing you said made any sense, but I'm sure you're a nogrammer.
▶ No.990859>>990860
>>990857
>nogrammer
No one who is actually competent uses that term to disparage others. You sound like a fag who made it half way through an online python tutorial.
▶ No.990860>>990882
>>990859
>No one who is actually competent uses that term to disparage others.
▶ No.990874
>>990806
You should kill yourself for that.
▶ No.990882
>>990860
The low iq is strong with you.
▶ No.997348
>>981352
>go to mortgage meeting
>plunk this baby down and start running through computations as the loan person is trying to bedazzle you
>get house for free
▶ No.997373
>>981352
..and is still on the shelves of generic office-supplies stores around the globe in 2018.
..unlike the sexier HP RPN calcs. The last time I saw anything was this fake-35 10 years ago.
▶ No.997411>>997424 >>997427 >>997485
Why get an overpriced larp machine when you can get a phone that's 10x faster and allows to do other stuff like games, videos, and calling?
▶ No.997424>>997492
>>997411
White men only need a calculator.
▶ No.997427>>997492
>>997411
>device with real physical buttons, IR and serial ports (as well as others potentially), and a battery life measured in months or years is a 'larp machine'
Why carry a government tracker phone to monitor your habits when you can use a calculator instead?
▶ No.997485>>997492
>>997411
You got that the wrong way.
When you use a phone, you're using an overpriced device LARPing as a calculator.
▶ No.997492>>997503 >>997575 >>997670 >>997721
>>997424
>>997427
>>997485
I mean sure as hell the le maymay braindead ovaltine drinking spooge niggers on this board don't have anything useful to work on since they all have <2.5 high school GPA's. This is just pure LARP, devices that can compute numbers are everywhere now. Calculators are just fat pieces of shit made for people who want to feel smart and are produced by (((TI))) and (((HP)))
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>>997492
>Calculators are just fat pieces of shit made for people who want to feel smart
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>>979241 (OP)
How many digits can this store per variable? is it possible to RSA/ECC/NTRU/SIDH with this?
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>>997492
>t. I live with my mother and I never control the money I have
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>>997503
>This was done with a slide rule
Not sure why you'd need a slide rule to stage a moon landing.
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>>997492
This board really needs IDs.
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>>997521
Ten digits precision, but you can create programs implementing those algorithms for sure.
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>>997492
What a faggot. No one sane uses a calculator because they want to "feel smart," you're projecting your own odd character flaws here. Also, let's not pretend power efficiency isn't a concern.
>I cannot do this calculation, I forgot to charge my calculator.
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>>997721
The people who were driving up the prices of the 48GX after it was discontinued and are currently driving up the prices of the 50G are land surveyors, construction people, engineers, and pilots. Obviously there is still a market for a hand held math machine which can run for a long time on batteries and has real buttons. New companies have sprung up as well as community mods which flash more advanced calculator firmware onto an off the shelf product.
In fact Casio just recently introduced a classic BASIC calculator which is weatherproof and rugged for outdoor use but I think they only sell it in China.
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>>997729
You mean something other that the FX5800P?
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>>979316
Smartphones:
>literally a general purpose computer
Calculator:
>fixed function narrow niche gimped down computer
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>>981352
I had one of those for economics because it was the standard. The gold one, though. It had a bunch of issues and died in a little more than a year. My previous scientific HP died in two years, but that one was a gift, so I wouldn't have bought it otherwise because it was overpriced. Meanwhile, a cheapo that I bought 5 years ago works perfectly. The buttons aren't that good, but otherwise it's much better than its predecessor. That's why I hate HP. At least in my experience, a lot of the shit that they make is overpriced garbage. They are only still around because for some reason they just happen to be the standard brand for a few things (like their extra Jewish printers). It's definitely not because of the quality.
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>>997503
No, it was done with good old fashioned pen and paper calculations. Slide rule is no good for calculations that need more than 3 digits of precision.
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>>997503
they had human computers. Basically math monkeys. Systems of equations are a pain in the ass to do by hand so they had some math monkey do it.
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>>980728
school
calculators are mobile
quicker to get out
they start up immediately
battery life last for longer then you need it to
nice physical buttons
easier to enter numbers into
does any calculations you'll need it to do
easily programmable like the old computers were in the 80s (probably the last electronics that are with thebsoftwsre it comes with)
basicsly a Commodore 64 but portable and better in some ways (calculation) and worst in others (graphics)
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>>997721
For me the big draws over an emulator on a phone or computer are the physical buttons and always-ready state.
>>997779
FX-FD10 Pro, it's the same old Casio they've been making since the 80s but with a backlit screen and buttons and weatherproofing. Same BASIC too, you're limited to 26 single-letter variables A-Z IIRC.
>>997786
HP started getting cheap with the 12C when Carly took over. The ones from the early '80s are often still going on their original silver-cell batteries thanks to the silicon on sapphire technology. Our low power shit today is faster but draws more power than almost 30 year old tech.