▶ No.965357>>965811
What in the hell is Kiwi?
▶ No.965379>>965389 >>965392 >>965706
i don't get it does EFF think DNT is a good idea? you have to be fucking retarded to even try and implement that
sage for "blocking tracking". that's not a thing, all you can do is reduce fingerprint via tor browser
▶ No.965389>>965809 >>977413
>>965379
Do Not Track is a good idea. It works im good websites.
▶ No.965392>>965394 >>977413
>>965379
EFF is compromised and they want you to unblock their SF buttbuddies. If it says "no" on that one you're good.
▶ No.965394>>966134 >>966435 >>968603
Of course Brave only blocks tracking ads and invisible tracking: they need them for their ads. Same reason Brave has, by default, enabled all tracking and scripts on the website they use for payments.
Pic related is Firefox with uBlock Origin. Enabling privacy.resist.fingerprinting helps to lessen the "unique fingerprint."
>>965392
What is that even supposed to mean?
▶ No.965678>>966134
>>965354 (OP)
Despite the delusions of brave users, brave does absolutely nothing to ensure user privacy or even security. A browser whose fucking Tor tabs don't do anything to make you anonymous and non-trackable is shit.
>open tor browser
>go to panopticlick
>congrats, you're not unique! Your monitor resolution is unknown so we assume it's the same as browser window size, your time zone is unknown, your system fonts are not exposed, your user agent is very common
>open brave
>do the same in their Tor tab
>hello *insert your name here*, we know it's you
Brave's mission is NOT privacy and security. It's just replacing ads, making them optional, making them less intrusive/distracting. Brave is all about ads, and the only thing it has right now is speed and the fact that it's open source.
▶ No.965706>>965793 >>966489
>>965379
There is a new EU law draft that will remove the requirement for websites to put "please accept muh cookies we deliver services and stuff!11!1!!!" banner but rather require them to comply with Do Not Track requests. It will be swiftly implemented by websites like how they complied with GDPR. At least EU cares about their citizens privacy, unlike United States.
▶ No.965793>>966134
>>965706
>comply with Do Not Track requests
How the hell would you confirm if this works
▶ No.965801
when is the uranus update suppose to come out?
▶ No.965809>>965822 >>965903
>>965389
All it does is increase your browser fingerprint and add yet another retarded header to HTTP (I'm assuming it's implemented by a header). Literally what purpose is being fulfilled by asking a website to not track you?? If it wasn't a jewish piece of shit it wouldn't track you in the first place.
▶ No.965811
>>965357
Android-only Chrome fork
▶ No.965822>>977596
>>965809
Everything increases your browser fingerprint. Changing the User Agent, disabling Canvas, WebGL, WebRTC or any other JavaScript feature; yet you retards keep suggesting to do that.
▶ No.965845
Only hipsters use Brave and Kiwi.
▶ No.965903>>966134
>>965809
>If it wasn't a jewish piece of shit it wouldn't track you in the first place.
This is all that needs to be said to explain why DNT is stupid and doesn't work.
▶ No.965913
▶ No.966134>>966166
>>965394
Brave is supposed to be a middle-ground so web owners can get paid in BAT tokens instead of spamming ads.
>>965678 gets the point. It is about building better economic models to make intrusive ads worthless.
>>965793
lolsuits. see >>965903
▶ No.966166>>966186 >>968860
>>966134
Yes, Brave is about the ad system, not privacy. Tor Browser and Firefox are the only browser that actively try to make users harder to track.
As foe Brave's model, I'm still mad that their original model (replace all ads with Brave ads. Users receive 15 % of the revenue, Brave receives 15 % and the website receives 70 %) was replaced by a shittier Patreon.
▶ No.966186>>966303
>>966166
Well all we have to do is add privacy tools to Brave and everything is set. the "shitty patreon" thin can be improved upon.
> Firefox is safe
Why the Rustfaggotry? You don't know that they work with Soros?
> Tor Browsers
Name some good end nodes that are safer.
▶ No.966303
>>966186
Firefox has made some efforts to enhance the user's privacy: by default it has EasyList included to block trackers, it has a setting to reduce browser fingerprinting, canvas fingerprinting and HTTP referrer fingerprinting in about:config (off by default since they break some webistes), they will add the option in the future to disable ads, third party trackers and coin miners from the GUI, they added the option to run certain websites in "containers" with separate LocalStorage and cookies so users can browse those websites without them "tainting" their main session, etcetera.
>Why the Rustfaggotry?
Rust was created to replace C on their browser since the source code is a nightmare. Rust supposedly helps them mitigate memory leaks and other exploits related to memory management.
>You don't know that they work with Soros?
False.
▶ No.966435
>>965394
>>965354 (OP)
umm guys? i got the same result as top-pic using chrome
▶ No.966489
>>965706
>a bunch of non relevant German hose-sellers will have to comply with new regulations
>the American web sites everybody uses will simply continue to ignore it
▶ No.966522>>966533 >>966542 >>966749 >>966750 >>968430 >>977399 >>978645
How did Brave even get a following here? It's a meme browser whose whole business plan was to replicate AdblockPlus's scummy business model of replacing ads with whitelisted ads from advertisers who pay them, combining that with the scummy "paid to watch ads" sites that were semi-popular with neets a decade ago, and then having the chutzpah to email the sites they ripped off offering a small cut of what was taken if they agree to partner as a publisher and let brave take a cut with the 'bonus' of enabling patreon-style donations that brave will also take a cut of. The whole thing is an unprecedented (brave?) level of rent-seeking on the web layered on top of chromium. Seriously, what the fuck are you all thinking?
▶ No.966533>>966750
>>966522
I wouldn't be surprised if it's because Brendan Eich is involved. This board is filled with javascript kids now.
▶ No.966542>>966750
>>966522
(((Brave))) doesn't have a following here. Just blatant paid shills.
World's sleaziest browser, would not install.
▶ No.966749>>966750
>>966522
B-b-but muh Brendan Eich muh joos muh (((parentheses.)))
▶ No.966750>>968491
>>966522
>>966533
>>966542
>>966749
You guys are overthinking it. 4chans /g/ unironically shills it all the time. Probably just /g/ immigrants talking about how great it is
▶ No.968391
September 12, 2018
Mozilla co-founder's Brave files adtech complaint against Google
>Brave, a privacy-focused web browser set up by Silicon Valley engineering guru Brendan Eich, filed privacy complaints in Britain and Ireland that could become a test case against search company Google and other digital advertising firms.
>The petitioners say they want to trigger an article in the new European General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) requiring an EU-wide investigation, making it a test case for a new European Data Protection Board created to give the privacy regime more teeth.
>The GDPR seeks to ensure that individuals have greater control over the data that companies hold about them. Brave and the co-plaintiffs say Google and others are playing fast and loose with people’s data.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-privacy-complaint/mozilla-co-founders-brave-files-adtech-complaint-against-google-idUSKCN1LS2JL
▶ No.968430>>968456 >>978209
>>966522
People still use ABP?
▶ No.968456
>>968430
Over 10 million people have it installed.
▶ No.968491
>>966750
>Probably just /g/ immigrants
Missed opportunity. immi/g/rants
▶ No.968603>>968604
>>965394
Heres tor browser with the tor plugins removed, https everywhere, ublock, and umatrix.
This is really the only way to be...
▶ No.968604
>>968603
My dumbass forgot the pic
▶ No.968608>>968743
>>965354 (OP)
>MFW running unpatched opera browser on windows XP
▶ No.968743
>>968608
>your browser has a unique fingerprint
▶ No.968860>>977551
>>966166
Firefox is not exactly trustworthy, and their extensive deployment of shill tactics isn't helping.
▶ No.977396
Why the fuck is this a red X?
>We promise not to track you goy pretty please unblock us
fuck off kikes
▶ No.977399
>>966522
>How did Brave even get a following here?
The logo
▶ No.977551>>977592
>>968860
I've yet to find a better alternative for retards like me though. Firefox is common enough that it has support, and it may not be perfect, but it's far from being chrome levels of pozzed.
▶ No.977580
>>977413
That's a good thing, retard
▶ No.977592
>>977551
>chrome levels of pozzed.
b-but what about m-muh ch-chromium?
▶ No.977596>>977600
>>965822
Disabling Javascript massively reduces your fingerprint because almost all tracking methods rely on it. A similar thing goes for cookies.
▶ No.977600>>977601 >>977630
>>977596
Disabling Javascript means you pop up as one of the few people not running javascript at all.
Same goes for cookies, and as a bonus you lose even more functionality.
▶ No.977601
>>977600
We are at least two. Can confirm. Only thing they know of us is UA (which is faked) and IP. Do tell more about this magic you know of?
▶ No.977630>>977635 >>977673
>>977600
>the few
You become almost indistinguishable from a bot, especially if you drop the UAS too. Go ahead, check your fingerprint. Not everything on the internet is a human.
>you lose even more functionality
Ironically, disabling cookies is a larger hit to functionality than disabling JS. You can alleviate this by deleting cookies frequently (there are extensions for that) or using a whitelist for your most commonly used sites (what I'm doing). The whole TAKE GOOGLE'S COCK OR EVERYTHING BREAKS!!! thing is an exaggeration though. I usually hear it from people who never tried to take control of their browser and need an excuse to never do so.
▶ No.977635>>977673 >>978172
>>977630
Addendum, since this might seem like backpedaling about cookies on first glance: The tracking possibilities with cookies are extremely limited. Basically, your enemy can set one and pray you don't delete it. So the "workarounds" I posted still do their job in the long term, you just might be tracked for your one session on there (which is strictly speaking already possible via IP address alone). For the same reason, I'd say that blocking first-party referer headers is mostly a waste of time, too.
▶ No.977673>>977678
>>977630
>>977635
>The tracking possibilities with cookies are extremely limited. Basically, your enemy can set one and pray you don't delete it.
But that's the entire idea behind fingerprinting: you set the cookie in a way that most people don't delete it, and that way you're left with a small amount of interesting targets (those who delete it) to focus your efforts on.
Fingerprinting isn't a way to track better as much as a way to track what you'd miss otherwise.
Also cookies can be set to something hard to spoof and thus become unique access point identifiers if not deleted, which is pretty good as far as tracking goes.
>You become almost indistinguishable from a bot
Except for origin IP, which might make you stand out a lot unless you're careful about it.
▶ No.977678>>978168
>>977673
What efforts would these be? The entire point of these countermeasures is to not provide any info by which you can be tracked. You're effectively suggesting to let yourself be tracked voluntarily (through cookies, which is reliable) so that they don't try to track you through (unreliable) fingerprinting or some other, even less reliable, means. Likewise, it's not like your IP disappears from the equation once you enable cookies -- it's just no longer necessary because you provided a better hole to come through. I get the feeling you're confused.
▶ No.977696
>Using anything other than Firefox with all spyware removed, hardened user.js and uMatrix, Decentraleyes, Smart HTTPS, Cookie auto-delete
Lol...
▶ No.978136
>>978097
lol nice tabs gaylord
▶ No.978168>>978172
>>977678
I'm saying you need to work on more sophisticated mitigation techniques.
For example, instead of rejecting cookies keep them for the session and delete them afterwards: that way you don't lose much functionality, don't stand out for refusing cookies, and (with some more work) end up looking like different people.
Another useful technique is using a different IP per session, and spoofing certain js functions (such as time functions) to give each session their own fingerprint.
▶ No.978172
>>978168
>instead of rejecting cookies keep them for the session and delete them afterwards
That's literally what I said in >>977635. That said, you still do not stand out more because you look like every other fag who doesn't use cookies, including bots. There's almost nothing they can do anymore and what little they can do is easy to defend against.
>spoofing certain js functions
STOP TRYING TO SALVAGE JS, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
If you disable JS, you put the ball squarely into the CIA nigger's court: "Go on, try and track me without 99% of your tools". You even mentioned a way to make this next to impossible by hopping IPs.
If you enable JS, the only way to defend yourself is to preemptively predict all tracking vectors and actively deceive them. Notice how suddenly your defense transformed from something passive into a shitload of constant effort? If it was possible to predict all attacks in advance, antiviruses would work. Yet they don't. Did you predict JS timezone tracking? Tracking via resolution? Hell, did you predict a basic thing like tracking pixels before they became common? No to all? Then don't make your defense depend on your ability to do that, fucking hell.
▶ No.978209
>>968430
ABP much like Chrome and Windows is 'set and forget' by default - complacency, yet again. It's almost as if there was a large scale blackpilling conspiracy...
▶ No.978645
>>966522
Brave's UI is pretty unresponsive but I use it to throw shekels at a couple sites I use. BAT isn't a horrible idea, the problem is that it's stuck in an Electron browser.