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Whats the best version of OSX to use in 2018? Brew packages are dropping support more and more often. Most importantly, gcc. It even throws a big error message saying they no longer support 10.9. Are the recent osx releases any good at all? Is it worth it to upgrade to 10.11 or 12 or should i finally uninstall osx from this thing? I never use it for anything serious, just light coding, shitposting and browsing when away form home. I do most of my coding at my desktop, so having a 'just werkz' os like mac has been really useful.
btw its a 13" late 2013 macbook pro
▶ No.965276>>965327 >>965438 >>965509 >>965969 >>966044
Sierra was the last "it works I guess" OS in the recent era. High Sierra is fraught with issues, including an especially retarded decision to replace the PDF renderer with the same engine they're using in iOS. Documents are blurry on a hidpi (retina) display, and look like shit on a standard monitor. High Sierra was also host to many embarrassing security issues at launch, including saving a users password as the password 'hint' that is displayed to all users. I don't think they even do any testing, and a macfag actually argued with me that such a thing would be impossible to test for. Mojave OS14 is expected to be released later this month, there's absolutely no technical impetus to use it, the biggest feature is a "dark mode" theme. Other features include being able to run some iOS apps. Long story short, I'd say upgrade to 12, but not 13 just yet. Linux can run quite well on older mac hardware, but it ends up being more hassle than it's worth when you factor in trackpad support, battery life, sleep, and fan control.
Do you really like homebrew? I've always preferred macports, as the brew crowd are ruby fags, and the creator isn't actually very bright (he whined that Google refused to hire him because he couldn't invert a binary tree).
▶ No.965327>>965332 >>983976
>>965276
>security issues at launch, including saving a users password as the password 'hint' that is displayed to all users
What the actual fuck? This can't be real. How could this even possibly happen by mistake?
▶ No.965332
>>965327
It was called High Sierra, because that they were high when they made it.
https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT208168
▶ No.965375>>965384 >>965386 >>989733 >>989736
>>965368
Who cares? And call me when your hardware is libre. For people that need to get things done, they'll choose whatever solution works best. Funnily enough, most of the things I run on Linux are closed source, and there are not alternatives.
▶ No.965384>>965386 >>965402 >>965550 >>965599
>>965375
>and there are not alternatives
I've heard that so many times. It makes me smile everytime I hear it :)
▶ No.965386
Hi >>965375 !
Me from >>965384 again, just to tell you that I respect your freedom to choose the software you want and software makers freedom to release source or not. I also have an opinion about what the best choice is.
*beeep*
▶ No.965402>>965406
>>965384
Then you smile at your ignorance, because it is simply not the case that all proprietary software has an open source equivalent.
▶ No.965406>>965592
>>965402
You are so right. Totally without question. Not going to argue. Nope. We have no grounds for discussion. No software mentionted. Pointless talk. Always ends the same. With me smiling :)
▶ No.965438>>965439 >>965479 >>965509 >>965619 >>983625
I used to be a Macfag, but one day I tried sticking my dick into a power outlet and that turned me straight, so I switched to GNU/Linux. The only thing I really miss are iWork (the old one, not the iOS port shit they give out for free now) and Pixelmator. LibreOffice and Gimp are OK, but their interfaces make me want to strangle someone.
>>965276
>he whined that Google refused to hire him because he couldn't invert a binary tree
What does inverting a binary tree mean? Turn around all the endges to point into the opposite direction? Swap left and right child of every node?
▶ No.965439
>>965438
>Pixelmator
Great program. I bought that during a sale for $9 and I never needed to think about pirating Photoshop again.
Yeah, it's that simple.
▶ No.965479>>989186
>>965438
Are there any laptops that don't feel like a 5 year old glued plastic together, other than a macbook? I switched when they made aluminum bodies but run nix variants. I know Israel makes a lot of their chips but frankly I don't know any other options that aren't 5-10 years old C2D
▶ No.965509>>965548 >>965959
>Are the recent osx releases any good at all?
No, but thanks to Apple dropping support from everything, and all the drooling fanbois that make up modern Mac devs following suit, the choice isn't really up to you.
>10.9
Why are you using 10.9? Here's the versions that are worth caring about:
<10.4
Supports Classic and G3s
<10.6
Supports Rosetta, last version without iOS-ified UI
<literally current year
Since everything above 10.6 is indistinguishable iOS glop, the only reason to run anything newer is support.
>GCC
I don't think current versions of GCC are even supported on macOS, since Apple switched to LLVM.
>>965276
>Homebrew
>MacPorts
Homebrew integrates better into OS X, rather than sort of operating in parallel. If I were to draw a comparison, it's a little like the minGW versus Cygwin.
>>965438
>Photoshop
Even if GIMP's UI is still even worse, it saddens me every time I see new (>7.0) versions of Photoshop and other Adobe software, as their UIs become more and more like MS Office with each version.
▶ No.965514
How do I create a bootable USB drive for anything other than High Sierra? How do I even find installers for literally anything else?
▶ No.965531>>965550
>>965258 (OP)
You should read this:
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html
https://stallman.org/apple.html
If the government told you to record all your calls, messages, everything you say and give it to them, would you agree?
I don't think so. Don't be a slave and start caring about yourself.
Or you can just ignore me and continue to suck Tim Cock
▶ No.965548>>965965
>>965509
>Homebrew integrates better into OS X
Which ends up making macports a hell of a lot cleaner, in that it doesn't mix and match libraries from macos and from it's own repository.
▶ No.965550>>965551 >>965576 >>965599
>>965384
>>965531
Yes freetard, everyone knows about opensource software. See if you can make something great with it instead of evangelizing all day.
▶ No.965551
>>965550
Or, freesoftware I should say, before you feel the need to preach to us the difference.
▶ No.965576
>>965550
I do, that's why I smile :)
Do go on complaining.
▶ No.965592>>965626
>>965406
>No software mentionted.
That statement is true prima facie. It is particularly true in engineering, especially concerning EDA tools. There is to my knowledge only one open FPGA toolchain, but it is restricted to a single architecture, experimental, and really a reverse-engineering showcase rather than a viable solution for a commercial product. The problem is that even when you can find an open alternative, it is not necessarily viable.
These people are smiling too, naivety is bliss.
▶ No.965599>>965602
>>965550
I'm not >>965384
>See if you can make something great with it instead of evangelizing all day.
Define "something great". Isn't freedom, privacy and having power over own computer great enough?
What's your problem about free software? Is the idea of freedom stupid for you, or you just like convenience and free programs are not good enough for you? You know, freedom requires sacrifices, sometimes small somethimes big, but investing in free software is more profitable at the end.
▶ No.965602
>>965599
I favour pragmatism. I sometimes use free software on a mac, and sometimes use proprietary software in linux. I support free software, but I am not a zealot, ultimately I favor productivity and results.
▶ No.965615
>>965258 (OP)
Tiger
PPC4LIFE
▶ No.965619>>965621 >>965655
>>965438
>What does inverting a binary tree mean? Turn around all the endges to point into the opposite direction? Swap left and right child of every node?
Is it actually this? If it is, wouldn't this work? t. brainlet
const swapBTree = tree => ({
left: swapBTree(tree.right), right: swapBTree(tree.left), value: tree.value})
▶ No.965621>>965655
>>965619
Oops, didn't check for canadians
const swapBTree = tree => tree? ({
left: swapBTree(tree.right), right: swapBTree(tree.left), value: tree.value}) : null
polite sage
▶ No.965626>>965648 >>965666 >>966021
>>965592
I didn't even have to say it. You did so yourself. You can program an FPGA with free software. Anything else?
This is the reason I find these discussions amusing.
>and there are not alternatives
▶ No.965648>>965649 >>965682
What's with the dopey boomer rockstar?
>>965626
Let me help you out by pointing out terms I used in my response.
>is restricted
>single architecture
>experimental
>[not] viable solution for commercial product[s].
>not a viable alternative.
The point is that the problem is even worse than their not being a free-alternative, for often the free-alternative is far from adequate.
Keep smiling.
▶ No.965649
>>965648
*free-alternative (in the event it even exists).
▶ No.965655>>965968
>>965619
>>965621
I don't know the syntax (rust?), but that's it exactly.
(define (invert-tree tree)
(match tree
[#f #f]
[(node l v r) (node (invert-tree r) v (invert-tree l))]))
▶ No.965666>>965668 >>966044 >>983633
>>965626
>You can program an FPGA with free software. Anything else?
This obnoxious attitude is rife with freetards. They're not concerned about the quality of the product, they see existence of the half-baked free alternative as reason enough to convert proprietary users. They can check off a box, bury their head in the sand and smugly ignore the fact that people are using payed alternatives even though their free product is gratis.
▶ No.965668
>>965666
I guess it is paid, not payed. Silly English.
▶ No.965682>>965688 >>965959 >>966021 >>966044
>>965648
Yes my friend, you said you want to use something other than the alternative. You clearly have an opinion about Lattice FPGAs and that's your opinion. It's not that you don't know how this works being a macfag. You can't use most of the shit that's out there.
You avoid being specific about what it is you can't do, because you're just another fag who don't want to use the alternatives. That's fine you I'm not here to tell you what to do, but admit it. People program FPGAs with free software even if you say vague stuff like "not viable", "don't want _THAT_ FPGA", "experimental". You have nothing. I could say the same words about the stuff you use and you'd be all defensive and say "duh uh not true". It's why I smile :)
I'm not even freetarding on you saying you should use any free software. Try some reading yourself. I'm a pragmatic person myself, which is one of the reasons I prefer free software. Obviously my favourite old DOS game is never going to be free software.
▶ No.965688
>>965682 here, btw I own a Mac and I think you (>>965648) are allright :)
▶ No.965714
Question
how did you learn to code?
How can I learn to code?
I've never coded before. Want to learn to do what they do in the matrix. I work in bank we use something called #bash
▶ No.965738>>965965 >>989354
Posting from a first gen iPad. Not sure if it counts or not but iOS is technically an OSX fork. Surprised how good and responsive everything feels browsing the web on a device with just 256mb of RAM. Really showcases optimization as a lost art. Of course modern bloated web pages will crash safari outright but otherwise Apple did a really good job at making sure the UI itself never feels sluggish. The only real issue is lack of file upload support on this thing but right now it makes a good reader device
▶ No.965790
You guys should seriously pick up the Bible sometimes.
▶ No.965847>>965851 >>965858
>>965368
>muh open source
open source is sjw'd now, proprietary is where it's at
▶ No.965851
>>965847
>>965847
>open source AND proprietary are sjw'd
ftfy
▶ No.965858>>965880 >>965959 >>966044
▶ No.965880>>965970 >>983631
>>965858
Imagine browsing dozens of companies websites and assembling a list of their pages about diversity. If autism was materialized, this is how it would look like.
▶ No.965959>>965965 >>966044
>>965858
Large corporations are legally mandated to have "diversity initiatives", they don't all do it by choice.
>>965682
Not him, but have you ever done hardware design? It is a sorry state of affairs for open source tooling.
>>965509
Doesn't Apple prevent you from installing an OS earlier than what your machine came with? Maybe there is a workaround to that, but he is likely stuck on 10.9, or 10.8 at the earliest. Homebrew is annoying with their silly analogies. "Tap cask", yeah no. I'm a white man I'll use mac ports.
▶ No.965965>>966015 >>966044
>>965548
True, but it also means not having to remember the structure of half a parallel OS on your machine.
>>965738
>optimization
Some, but most of it is simply the fact it only runs a single browser tab at a time, aggressively paging all background stuff to virtual memory.
>>965959
You're right, OP's machine shipped with 10.9 from the factory.
▶ No.965968
>>965655
It's actually javascript
▶ No.965969>>966002 >>966044
>>965276
That wasn't even the worst issue. The worst issue was when you could log in as root by putting in any password and just trying it twice, because the first attempt reset the password to the attempted one: https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/28/macos-high-sierra-bug-admin-access/
▶ No.965970
>>965880
>browsing dozens of companies websites
I think you mean "Googling '[company] diversity' and clicking the first link".
Do you really think they went to all these base websites and clicked around until they found a diversity age? What, are you retarded?
▶ No.966002>>966044
>>965969
Oh god, I forgot about that one. I'm actually curious to see if they've learned their lessons with mojave, or whether it'll just be slapping some emojis on top of a turd.
▶ No.966015
>>965965
>Some, but most of it is simply the fact it only runs a single browser tab at a time, aggressively paging all background stuff to virtual memory.
iOS does not actually use SWAP/Pagefiles by default. The interfaces are all there iirc but on a stock unjailbroken iDevice there is no swap used. Instead iOS has its own virtual memory system in the kernel that is only used to keep the system itself from crashing in order to maintain overall system responsiveness. That's why applications like Safari would rather just crash outright when faced with an out of memory condition rather than just start paging and slowing down. Apple likely also did this because flash memory was still new a fragile as shit when the iPhone was first released so it was likely necessary to avoid swapping in/out of flash to keep it alive. The iPad I was posting from already has dying flash memory so I don't use it for anything other than as a browsing machine now and it serves its purpose well.
Also, Mobile Safari, at least on iOS 5.1 on iPad, does in fact support multiple tabs, but web pages are effectively unloaded on tabs not in sight to save memory, being reloaded when you go back to said tabs.
▶ No.966021
>>965626
>>965682
Are those photo's of another "woman in tech" tranny?
▶ No.966022
I used to be a massive macfag 4 years ago, I've been using High Sierra recently for work and it's a complete shitshow. Fullscreen is glitchy, sometimes windows just stop responding to input and the overly aggressive sandboxing means I need to self-sign so much crap. Add to that the keyboard that started failing 1 month after I started using it.
▶ No.966044>>966060
>>965682
>>965666
I don't give a shit. As long as its free as in beer, im happy. Its not that free software can't do what i want, its that in some scenarios, proprietary does it better for the same price. see: amd blobbed drivers vs foss. Or nouvea vs cuda, but thats kind of unfair.
There are no computers(save for a select few libreboot thinkpads) that run fully free-as-in-freedom code. Even the talos II devs are lying to you.https://wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/BCM5719 Thats before getting even more autistic over over how much uses muh cuck license.
Mac hardware, for the most part, is pretty fucking good. I heard in recent years (esp since they added the touchbar bullshit) they've really let QC go to shit, but this laptop has held together very well. The only issue i've had are the brew package developers dropping support for 10.9 and the network card slowing down a ton, replaced it and its fine now.
>>965276
Did some research and skimmed some changelogs, decided to go with 10.11 as 10.10 seemed to have far more bugs, 10.12 implemented the shitty IOS theme, and 10.11 will still be supported for another two years.
>>965959
>>965965
They sell cds of any version of osx for 20$. They won't let you go back for free, even if you upgraded a machine and want to go back(unless you made a backup with the old OS on it).
>>965858
Some of these just look like something corporate shoved down their throats to make investors happy, not an actual sjw culture there. Expecially the NVIDIA one, that's literally a yearly report for stockholders.
Is it better for them to be faking SJW-ness to appease shareholders or to genuinely believe it and force you to 'agree to not use this application to create any inaccurate, hurtful, inflammatory, obscene, defamatory, biggotted, violent, racist, or harassing material'
(not saying google, amazon, and apple arent sjw as fuck but the rest aren't nearly so bad)
>>965969
>>966002
>mfw its actually gotten this bad
>mfw the big selling point for 10.14 is dark mode
>and running ios apps
probably going to install gentoo on this thing when 10.11 stops being useful
▶ No.966060
>>966044
>They won't let you go back for free
You can go back to Sierra from High Sierra (I did), but if it isn't showing in the app store, there is a direct link you can use (which reveals sierra in the store) I do recall some recent Macbook users complaining that they couldn't use Sierra, because their machines actually came with High Sierra. I have not verified that myself.
>when 10.11 stops being useful
They usually provide security updates for 3 releases back, so later this month I would imagine 10.11 will reach end of life.
▶ No.966065>>968069
>over priced hardware that you cant buy parts for to fix. Shitty keyboard. Shit battery life
gno
even used macs are really over priced.
▶ No.966696
>>965258 (OP)
Just install a real BSD if you want to be a BSDfag, you hippie.
▶ No.968069
>>966065
I can get a dual quad core 2.9 ghz xeon mac pro with 16G of ram and 4 graphics cards support for 12 monitors. only 300.
▶ No.971932
>>965258 (OP)
>Whats the best version of OSX to use in 2018?
A good BSD or 10.5 on PPC hardware.
▶ No.982292>>983617 >>983640
>>965258 (OP)
Recent versions aren't bad. My problem with Macs isn't the software. MacOS is fine. It's the hardware that sucks. I hackintoshed a ThinkPad X230 with High Sierra and it's very stable and all the hardware except the wireless card works (I just ordered a new one). I'll probably stick with this for the next 6-8 months at least, or until Mojave has all its problems ironed out. Other than this I have a 2011 MacBook Pro 13 inch running High Sierra that I don't really use. I also have a Core2 Duo 20 inch iMac that I got for free some time ago which I installed Debian on. Works great for basic programming and shitposting.
▶ No.983617>>989599
>>982292
Why are people so obsessed with hardware? Atm I'm using a iMac 27 2012. I put in a ssd some time ago and a bit more ram. Does everything it needs to and the screen is still better than 90% of screens sold today. I also have a 2010 macbook pro that has probably traveld a million miles. Still works perfect and does everything I need. In the same time my father went through 3 shitty sony or dell notebooks.
▶ No.983625
>>965438
Best origin story
▶ No.983630
>Whats the best version of OSX to use in 2018
suicide
▶ No.983631
>>965880
>imagine providing data to prove a point
▶ No.983633
>>965666
no, free software has plenty of
>((("quality")))
see for example, Gnome 3. retards like you will love it
▶ No.983640>>983736
>>982292
how did you manage install OSX on a thinkpad? I tried to install OSX on a VM 10 different ways and couldn't get it to work.
▶ No.983642
>>965258 (OP)
>macfag
this but unironically
▶ No.983706>>983845 >>989852
▶ No.983736
>>983640
It was incredibly easy and took me less than a day to get everything working except WiFi. First you'll need to get MacOS running in a VM and pass through a USB port, or you'll need access to a real Mac. I have a 2011 MacBook Pro I barely used so that was the easiest method. You go to www.tonymacx86.com, make an account with a throw away email, and then you can start downloading the tools you'll need. You use Unibeast to create a bootable USB stick. Download High Sierra or Mojave or whatever from the Mac App Store and then it'll show up under the Applications directory. Run Unibeast. It'll write the MacOS installer and the Clover bootloader to your USB flash drive. You then take your ThinkPad and go to the firmware setup. Set the SATA controller to AHCI, make sure Secure Boot is completely off, and set the legacy boot option to UEFI only with CSM support enabled. That's enough to get the installer started. You then go straight to Disk Utility, format your disk as GPT for partition table and then for the file system you'll want to use APFS for SSDs and HFS+ for HDDs. After that you can just install the system. It'll reboot to Clover, just be sure to select the entry that says "pre-booter". When it's done you set up accounts and users and networking and stuff. It should then take you to a desktop. There are more specific guides out there to get graphics and other things working. It's mostly a matter of dragging and dropping kexts (kernel extensions, drivers) into the right folders. Eventually you'll need to mount the EFI partition of your main disk and copy in all of your bootloader files, configs, and special kexts you want loaded at boot time by Clover.
You should be able to get everything working on a lot of laptops and most desktops except WiFi, since Apple uses odd wireless cards. So just order a TP-Link USB adapter that says it's supported on Macs and then while you're waiting on shipping you can install an RNDIS driver to tether Android phones, found at joshuawise.com/horndis.
If you have a ThinkPad X230 with an i5 3320M I can upload the contents of my EFI partition for you. It might also work on a T430 if you're using the same CPU and Intel 4000 graphics, since the hardware is fairly similar.
▶ No.983792>>983818
I would totally buy a Mac if it wasn't as expensive as a new motorcycle or a used car in my country.
In US, a Macbook is $1,599.00, in the shithole I live in is (after converting) $3,645.00. Fuck this shit. Even the most recent, powerful and expensive Thinkpad is much cheaper than this.
A Mac Pro actually is as expensive as a good brand new car here, $7.942,00.
▶ No.983818>>983842 >>984409
>>983792
>Beeing a macfag in the firs place.
Are you out of your goddamn mind anon?
▶ No.983819>>983845
WHY THE FUCK NONE OF YOU READ A BIBLE?
▶ No.983842
>>983818
Well, how can I talk shit about something I never used?
I used Windows 98, XP, Vista and Seven. In the GNU/Linux world, Suse, Slackware, Fedora and Ubuntu with the combination of many WM and desktops, Fluxbox, KDE, GNOME, Openbox, DWM, i3 and XFCE. I can say their good and bad points and go on and on, from how Linux programs lacks consistency, are harder to install if not available in your repos and how every goddamn distro has its perks in configuration. Windows is easy to fuck up the registry (not a problem for most), uninstalling shit leaves a lot of garbage, comes basically naked in terms of software and makes you feel vulnerable to virus like fucking a hooker without condom.
I never had a chance to use a Mac, no one I know have one. Regarding Apple, people here usually only have Iphones that they take the whole year to pay off and they hold on it for like four years or more.
▶ No.983845>>983967
>>983706
System 7, you mean.
>>983819
READ THE GOOD BOOK, HEATHEN, AND BRING ORDER TO YOUR DISJOINTED MIND.
▶ No.983967>>984007
>>983845
Do you have a link to an ebook of an early edition?
▶ No.983976>>984007 >>984019 >>989521
>>965327
>How could this even possibly happen by mistake?
It's MacOS, it's first of all a piece of a status symbol (apple computers), being an operating system is not its main focus.
▶ No.984007>>984018
>>983967
Will the 1992 vintage work?
http://interface.free.fr/Archives/Apple_HIGuidelines.pdf
>>983976
yes yes, an apple bit you when you were a wee lad, we know.
▶ No.984014>>984409
Homosexuality is a sin. Read your bible today
▶ No.984018
>>984007
>ignores issue at hand
>pulls out standard reddit response which claims some sort of epic argument but really amounts to nothing
>looks like a fucking retard because his faggot friends aren't here to upvote him 400 times
>>>/reddit/
▶ No.984019>>984022 >>984359
>>983976
>being an operating system is not its main focus
How underage are you?
▶ No.984022>>984284
>>984019
But he's right though
▶ No.984043>>984044 >>984284 >>984409
>>965258 (OP)
DO NOT USE A MAC.
EVER.
▶ No.984044
▶ No.984359>>984415
>>984019
Os is only sold in tandem with certain hardware.
Os and hardware are produced by the same company.
Using either of them outside of the combination is not supported, but possible: almost nobody does so, suggesting that both parts aren't actually good compared to the alternatives.
Do you have arguments or just dank maymays?
▶ No.984391>>984409
NeXSTEP was pretty cool but OSX is for queers who should be dropped into the ocean with millstones tied around their necks.
▶ No.984409>>989521 >>990730
>>984014
<bbut what if you commit your degenerate deviant acts during night, when the God is asleep???? ;^)
>>983818
>>984043
>>984391
These.
▶ No.984415>>984422 >>984435
>>984359
Apple hasn't had unique hardware for over a decade, so trying to say their OS is made to sell hardware by definition makes the OS a selling point you stupid faggot.
▶ No.984422
>>984415
>Apple has a selling point
And here I thought they were just catering to retards who want to see stupid shit like round displays and trash can PCs.
▶ No.984435>>989321
>>984415
>Apple hasn't had unique hardware
If by unique hardware you mean "making their own chips", sure, but that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying they sell you prebuilts, those prebuilts only come with Macos installed, and Macos license forbids you from installing it on any other hardware.
But keep shilling for the worst of the worst of tech, anon, what could possibly go wrong?
▶ No.989186>>989465
>>965479
Thinkpad I know they're a meme but the benifits are real:
It's plastic but it has an alloy frame. and the plastic parts are bolted to that instead of directly to the mobo.
>100% glueless design, monitor is easily replaceable.
>cheap parts.
>Lots of I/O, 3 usb slots with support for 4 more with an expansion card, options for 2 harddrives with the ultrabay and support for display port and VGA.
▶ No.989321>>989446 >>989676
>>984435
>he thinks Apple made their PPC chips
▶ No.989354
>>965738
Steve Jobs's death also has to do with it.
▶ No.989446>>994122
>>989321
Did IBM make them for anyone else? If so, I'm sure Apple had some time-based exclusivity agreement.
▶ No.989465>>989523
>>989186
still trash compared to pre-2015 macbooks tbh but now that apple has shit QC there really aren't any dependable laptop manufacturers
▶ No.989521
>>983976
Only X. Classic Mac OS can't be associated with that.
>>984409
The Steve Jobs thing makes me wonder what Apple would have been like without him. Wonder if it still would have ended up going against Steve Wozniak's vision so quickly. Maybe their computers would have been more like the Apple ][ for at least a little longer.
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>>989465
>still trash compared to pre-2015 macbooks
I have a 2011 MacBook Pro and a 2012 ThinkPad X230. Both have easily replaceable and user serviceable RAM, disks, wireless cards, motherboards, fans/heatsinks, etc. However, the display on the MacBook is glued together, meaning you can't just easily replace the glass or the LCD panel. You basically have to replace it as the whole display assembly. The X230 doesn't have that problem. It's all screws, even for the display. Then there's the battery issue. The battery in my ThinkPad just slides out with some little clips on the bottom. The MacBook battery is thoroughly glued in. Then there's the keyboard on the MacBook which is essentially a part of the metal housing since it's riveted in, and the X230 keyboard is removable with 6 screws.
So no, ThinkPads have always been better than Macs.
▶ No.989557>>989574
>>989523
Shut up nerd, I've had enough of your ramble, It's trash becaus there's no Apple logo shining at the back cover. How can you (A pc lowlife) expect me (A high IQ socialite) to use these ugly nerdbook at Starbucks? I'd be laugh at by real women and employees will probably spit in my Latte because of that. Not worth the risk imho.
Pic related, Apple made this $299 book to explain to me visually why every other computers are shit, does your chinkpad have a book dedicated to their ego? I don't think so.
▶ No.989574
>>989557
Shut up pussy, I've had enough of your faggotry, It's trash becaus there's an Apple logo shining at the back cover. How can you (A macintoddler lowlife) expect me (A high IQ ThinkChad) to use these ugly CuckBook Poor at my kitchen table? I'll be laughing at women and fags who want to signal with fruity toys while I sip my 10 cent cup of black coffee. Buy a purse if you wanna signal, homo.
Pic unrelated, Apple made a $299 book to jew iToddlers out of every last penny they own, and they give up the change from under their couch cusions as their tithe to the cult of HIV and butt fucking. All hail Tim Cook.
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>>983617
why dont you buy him a better computer?
▶ No.989706
>>965258 (OP)
Ok, I'll be the first to ask some general mac questions here.
I managed to get a few older macs at a yard sale. 2008 white macbook, 2009 24 inch imac, 2011 macbook pro, and a 2011 imac 27 inch. The question is, which version of Linux would work the best, for each, without having to replace hardware in the units. The investment I have in the units is minimal at best and I'd like to keep it that way. I would like something that was fast, stable, and didn't require a lot of fucking around at the terminal to get it to work, aka I'm not really wanting to Gnu them up with Gentoo, and spend hours fucking around with them. Something quick, easy, painless, and that "just works" is my goal.
▶ No.989733
I stopped at 10.10 and switched to Arch then Parabola GNU/Linux.
It just kept getting worse and worse feature wise, and there was no reason to use it over free-software. Id install refind, then partition your drive in half, install parabola on the 2nd half, then try it for a while, and repartition the drive fully if you like it. First install KDE as a DE, the new GNOME sucks. If you want to be more adventurous you could try enlightenment or sway as a WM.
>>965375
Talos II is a decent desktop with fully libre hardware, no Intel/AMD ME backdoor. Also, what things dont have alternatives? Many things do, unless its for a specific company maybe.
▶ No.989736
I stopped at 10.10 and switched to Arch then Parabola GNU/Linux.
It just kept getting worse and worse feature wise, and there was no reason to use it over free-software. Id install refind, then partition your drive in half, install parabola on the 2nd half, then try it for a while, and repartition the drive fully if you like it. First install KDE as a DE, the new GNOME sucks. If you want to be more adventurous you could try enlightenment or sway as a WM.
>>965375
Talos II is a decent desktop with fully libre hardware, no Intel/AMD ME backdoor. Also, what things dont have alternatives? Many things do, unless its for a specific company maybe.
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>>989676
>f by unique hardware you mean "making their own chips", sure
▶ No.989852>>1001968
>>983706
This. I have a PPC G3/G4 (I don't care enough to figure out) that came with OSX Tiger. Reminds me of the Vista Ready bullshit where they slap the newest software on a budget system, because they can, but the end result is a completely useless platform. I put OS 9 on that shit and what was once a donation bin computer is now actually useful, albeit airgapped.
It doubles as a nostalgia trip for guests who peruse it.
I fucking hate Apple, but OS 9 taught me programming and so much more.
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>>984409
>case-sensitivity is good or sensible in any way whatsoever
Next you're going to defend filename extensions and pathname symlinks
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>>989446
>Did IBM make them for anyone else?
Of course they did. Everything from Amiga upgrade boards/clones to Windows NT workstations and spacecraft used them. And not too mention the numerous games consoles that used PowerPC/POWER chips.
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▶ No.1001968>>1001975
>>989852
MacOS was such a dumpster fire under the hood the best option was to ditch it for another operation system. Along with NeXTSTEP, Steve Jobs brought something resembling standards for hardware and software. Since his death, Apple has quickly reverted back to their old ways of using expensive nonstandard hardware and Apple centric software over open standards. Had Windows not become a different dumpster fire, OSX and Apple wouldn't be where they are right now. I'm not even sure why they still are where they are when Tim Cook is such a colossal fuckup coasting on the remains of Job's wave.
▶ No.1001975
>>1001968
>MacOS was such a dumpster fire under the hood the best option was to ditch it for another operation system.
MacOS only went to shit when they started calling the OS "MacOS" instead of "System".
Before that, it worked well and free from most faults, but when 7.5 rolled out, they started adding crap that was unnecessary and introduced bugs.
When Jobs came back, that's when it really went to pot.