/tech/ - Technology★

>>960576 (OP)

Have you been living under a rock lately?

>>960576 (OP)

because anti-semite

>>960586

>>960588

Not that I think AMD actually competing instead of being maintained as an antitrust fig leaf for Intel/nVidia is bad at all, but try to be pragmatic, /pol/yps:

https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-1000651071

Because Intel is shitting the bed, and they're going to get a huge boost from speculation that Intel will end up paying out billions for its microcode fix's performance.

AMD still needs to produce a desktop processor that isn't shit, but people are starting to think that due to Intel strangling itself with $300M of diversity that they might do it.

>>960597

So thread ripper is not a good product? Why would people invest when the company doesn't even have a good product / track record

>>960603

Mindshare and Intel jewery. Bulldozer was a massive fuckup and people are still not happy about it.

Epyc and Ryzen on the other hand are competitive with Intel.

>>960625

I'm perfectly happy with my 8320. Not everyone is a gaymer.

Is there a way to disable the PSP in AMD proccessors? No? Then into the trash it goes until then.

Because Intel is shitting the bed left and right, AMD Processors are actually hitting really close single-core performance levels while still having heavily superior multiprocessing capabilities for far better prices, and AMD is making a strong push toward good FOSS video card drivers, making them the only viable option in the Linux FOSS GPU space.

So it's not that they're really doing well. It's that their competitors are fucking up in specific ways and they're the only big alternative in either space.

>>960654

>AMD is making a strong push toward good FOSS video card drivers, making them the only viable option in the Linux FOSS GPU space.

This is bullshit. The only viable libre AMD GPU's are the r300 series from over a decade ago as they have everything FOSS. The AMD GPU's after that are locked down in the sense you need a blob from AMD to boot the GPU that is loaded from the kernel/userspace. AMD is making their opengl stack FOSS so that others will maintain it in the future for them, and nothing else. If you wanted to use your AMD GPU on some unsupported architecture like RISC-V you are out of luck since the microcode blob loaded by the kernel doesn't (((support))) RISC-V or other non-pozzed architectures.

If you use nvidia GPU's with nouveau you get entirely libre software up to the gtx 800 series. Meaning you could use a GTX 7** on RISC-V with no problems. If you use intel HD GPU's you get entirely libre software up to the haswell series of GPU's and then a blob is required. But I somehow doubt you are going to put a intel GPU in another CPU architecture, even if it would work properly.

>>960658

https://wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Talos_II/Hardware_Compatibility_List#Graphics_Cards

AMD words fine with Talos II

>>960659

That's because it is (((supported))) by the blob. That and most talos II customers would be entiprise users who would pay big money for the blob to work on powerpc. Now try getting a SIFIVE risc-v board and putting a amd GPU on it. You will fail. Also see the early itanium proccessors with no out of order schedular on the die, which means non-pozzed. Won't work with those either.

>>960660

I always thought those blobs were firmware that ran on the graphics card itself, and not the CPU?

Hence why OpenBSD and such say it is not a security risk, because it doesn't run on the CPU.

That would explain why it works with Talos II.

The reason it wouldn't work off the bat for RISCV is because the drivers need to be ported.

>>960662

>drivers need to be ported

>building from source code on the linux kernel with dependencies

Pick one retard.

>I always thought those blobs were firmware that ran on the graphics card itself, and not the CPU?

There are indeed blobs that run on the hardware itself you can never change, firmware, that are essentially part of the hardware and hence their usage on openbsd. But AMD goes a step further and makes it so the GPU's firmware doesn't work unless you upload a seperate blob by the userland/kernel that can be changed on demand by AMD something nvidia didn't do until their GTX 8 series of GPU's and later**.

Hence why it won't work on architectures AMD doesn't support. If you have the source code you could just compile it for the architecture you want and it will just work. But the blob loaded by the kernel, which is seperate from the on GPU firmware that is part of the hardware, doesn't support all architectures because it is a blob.

Nvidia got backlash for doing this with their GTX 800 and later series of GPU's, requiring a blob loaded by the kernel that is. AMD has (((somehow))) avoided backlash for doing this for every GPU they have created since the R300 series from over a decade ago! Boycott intel, amd, and nvidia GPU's that can't be made libre at the software level. Which means all GPU's after haswell for intel, all GPU's after the r300 series for AMD, and all GPU's after the GTX 800 series for nvidia. You will never be able to use them on unsupported architectures unless the GPU software maker lets you. Even then, you are taking security lightly to use a interceptable blob created by a company you are downloading over the internet! Anything could be in the blob or placed in the blob as you download it! Take for example the MINIX install on all recent intel CPU's for the ME microcode. You could be doing the same thing with your GPU for all you know.

>>960652

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-PSP-Disable-Option

>>960664

GPUs are the worst because you just know they include everything a computer needs. Graphics cards nowadays have volatile and non-volatile memory + a general purpose CPU, and they're behind multiple layers of proprietary malware.

>>960673

How would something like LLVMpipe work on a Threadripper 2990X?

>>960664

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_blob

>The OpenBSD project has a notable policy of not accepting any binary device drivers into its source tree (however, OpenBSD distributes firmware blobs), citing not only the potential for undetectable or irreparable security flaws, but also the encroachment onto the openness and freedom of its software.[8]

And up to GCN1 cards work on OpenBSD (https://man.openbsd.org/radeon.4), so the blobs must not run on the CPU.

Since no binary blob is running on the CPU itself, it must not matter what architecture the CPU has. Also, you imply that the drivers existing on the linux Kernel would require no architecture dependent changes, which is strictly incorrect.

>>960659

>All AMD GPUs currently have DMA issues (limited to 32-bit, which can cause crashes) with the current Talos II firmware. This is expected to be fixed in future firmware updates.

I wouldn't call that 'fine'. Most of their clients probably don't use a graphic card so tackling such a headache is not a priority for them. Right now you've got to use patches to get it work properly

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106258

>>960658

Are we talking about what's possible to do or what the company actually did in order to get these results?

AMD's FOSS efforts are mostly their own doing nowadays. AMD just bought out the good contributors to the FOSS drivers and made them work them full time. This is a move that can be attributed to them.

Nouveau, on the other hand, works in spite of Nvidia, not because of them. Nvidia gave them almost nothing to work with. And the performance is pretty bad for 3D.

>>960576 (OP)

Because Zen is good and Intel hasn't done anything worth shit since Sandy Bridge.

>>960712

>nouveau preety bad for 3d

lulwut faggot. The nouveau drivers on latest mesa and kernel git outperform the blob now if you use the right generation of nvidia hardware and the new auto-reclocking kernel options. The nouveau opengl stack is more buggy though for newer opengl functions making them less then useful for the newest games. But for older games and emulaiton it either matches or beats the blob. Or atleast for me it does. Granted I haven't used the blob in years now so maybe the blob's performance has improved for the same hardware years down the line unlikely. Now it just needs opencl 2.0 support and the nvidia blob is useless garbage henceforth.

>>960658

They aren't fully libre, but you can't deny that making more of the code FOSS is a good thing.

> AMD is making their opengl stack FOSS so that others will maintain it in the future for them

Duh. That's one of the major advantages of FOSS, that other people can maintain things. That's one of the driving arguments for it and was the reason the whole fucking movement was birthed. You act like it's a bad thing that a company is opening things up so the community can do the work better for them and have better drivers for themselves.

That said, they have staff working on AMDGPU, so they haven't abandoned it to the community yet. Your fears are unfounded as of yet.

Everybody still wants the firmware blobs to be opened up, and that is a valid argument againts AMD, but with arguments like "they just want other people to do the work for them", you sound like an anti-FOSS shitter. Their motivation is less important than the result, and more FOSS is better.

Nvidia has been deblobbed up to GTX800, which is 4 years old, and AMDGPU has been deblobbed up to Fiji, which is 3 years old. It's not as bad as you imply. AMD isn't great, but they're better than Nvidia when it comes to actually supporting FOSS drivers. AMD has FOSS drivers that are better than the proprietary ones, they release technical papers to the public, and they have proprietary firmware blobs. Nvidia gives no whitepapers, don't have any official FOSS drivers, and has mandatory signed firmware blobs. Neither is ideal, but one is obviously a better choice than the other if you want modern graphics hardware and care about freedom.

>>960989

>up to fiji

Where's the source code to the GPU intialization firmware that has been made FOSS for up to FIJI then? I thought that was in a blob that AMD hadn't made FOSS and will never make FOSS. I might switch to AMD hardware in the future if you can find it for me.

>>961206

There's nothing stopping Intel from just slapping 4 dies on a single chip package and making a fuckhuge heat spreader for it from a technical standpoint, they don't because its retarded

>>960576 (OP)

Intel not releasing substantially improved products meanwhile they are hit after hit with security vulnerability.

>>960576 (OP)

I don't understand how you haven't caught on at this point.

- New graphics cards targeting more specialized markets increasing market diversity for AMD

- Amazing CPU lineup that Intel has lost millions in profit for

- Amazing CEO pushing growth

- Short squeeze to bring it all together

tl;dr buy AMD processors, they're the best; buy AMD shares, they're the best

>>961365

what do you expect from a country which can't even access Netflix.

Unintended side-effect of information control. On another note China has high morals, it's quite nice.

>>961206

Hopefully they pants nvidia next. I hate them even more than intel.

At least intel contributes to FOSS stuff.

>>961388

I was going to buy a Talos II, but then I heard about the Mill architecture and have decided to wait for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KQnrOEoWEY

Xeon level performance at 1/10th the power.

AMD has succeeded in every market except GPUs and even that was correctly planned because they didnt fall for Bitcoin so fast, they took their time and now the competitor is overstocked why they sold at massive profit most of their inventory

>>961391

Oops, should start from beginning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGw-cy0ylCc

Because the onslaught of retard articles intel paid companies like forbes to put out to push their collective noses on the scales stopped working, investors finally stopped listening and the reality that actually matters for consumers is setting in.

If you make something that performs/outperforms your competition at a significantly lower cost, you win.

>>961391

The mill has been in development since 2003, it's vaporware.

>>961546

So then I should just buy a Talos II? It would cost a third of my savings at least.

>>961562

Talos II is a meme machine, the DEC Alpha for a new generation. Don't get caught up in hype, ask why you really need it.

>>961566

To avoid x86_64 botnet. Also, security by obscurity of architecture.

>>961566

Also, completely open specs and firmware and everything.

>>961569

>>961568

Wrong. Its literally just another PowerPC machine you fucking retard. Wait for RISC-V at the very fucking least

>>960576 (OP)

Ryzen

Tt really is an awesome processor. Buy one.

>>960597

>desktop processor that isn't shit

are you a moron?

>>961562

Depends on what your use cases are. Even if it's expensive now it'll be a decent computer for the next 5-6 years at the very least. I'd be mining crypto with it to help pay it off.

>>961581

>Its literally just another PowerPC machine

I don't know of any PowerPC machines that can use up to 2 terabytes of DDR4 ram or have 44 cores with 176 threads.

>>961594

The desktop market is mostly gaymers these days--they're being told that Intel is the better choice for their use case. For Gentoo, Ryzen is great.

>>961597

Intel literally is the better choice for their use case due to the single core performance. So there goes the desktop segment. And Intel is better for servers as their cores don't starve for ram (as much) and stall. I don't think Gentoo users are a large market. They ended up only providing value to the modern workstation.

But confidence is growing that they might make a legitimately good desktop processor soon.

>>961599

>And Intel is better for servers as their cores don't starve for ram (as much) and stall.

Really? Do you have experience with Epyc? My Xeon server works well, but I'm curious about your experience.

>>961594

I own a Ryzen cpu, I have first hand experience, friendo.

>>muh single core

>>forgets nearly every game is multicore optimized since like 2014

check dsogaming and see the utilization, every game that had proper development is optimized

>>961594

>36% marketshare

>"not even close to being relevant"

What would you consider relevant? 90%?

>>961599

> And Intel is better for servers as their cores don't starve for ram (as much) and stall

Yeah, except EPYCs have 8 memory channels and Xeons have 6. So the only reason EPYCs would starve for RAM is if they're at least 33% better.

>>961562

They're getting ready to release a newer cheaper model in October.

>It Looks Like Raptor Is Gearing Up To Release A New Open-Source POWER System

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Raptor-Prepping-New-POWER

>>961757

Its probably an ATX or smaller single socket mobo which will drive the cost down even further while making it more convenient since dual socket E-ATX cases are rare.

They are reliable.. My processor is from 2013 and works fine. I'm not anti nvidia my graphics card is nivdia

>>961635

I've not seen large set TPC benchmarks that suggest that they can translate on paper performance to the real world. Does anyone have any? Meaning, not phoronix or anandtech testing how fast Quake 3 runs or some stupid shit, an actual test of a dataset large enough to dwarf the L3 cache.

>>961789

They could do a soldered CPU to save money as well. The thread for the article on their forum has their head of engineering giving hints about it;

>Also note that this new machine is designed to accept the low-end Sforza parts, if you want more than 4-8 cores you should look at the Talos II / Talos II Lite systems available now.

>IBM's TDP numbers are a maximum possible power consumption, not an average that can be exceeded like Intel, AMD, and ARM. All I'm permitted to say at this point is that the new design may be interesting from your perspective.

They'd save quite a bit of money by getting rid of the socket and special IBM heatsink. If they go with the defective CPUs that can't do virtualization and don't have the spectre mitigations it'll be even cheaper maybe $500 for a 4 core desktop box.

I'd still go with a dual socket board starting off with 4 cores adding in 22 cores when the price goes down.

>>961562

Depends on your use case. In case you didn''t know, there's already a 'Lite' version as a stop-gap that uses the same motherboard, but has half the components unpopulated. There's also a Micro-ATX version in the works that should support a single 4/8core CPU that should be ready around October.

>>961815

>If they go with the defective CPUs that can't do virtualization and don't have the spectre mitigations it'll be even cheaper maybe $500 for a 4 core desktop box.

Did they even make enough of the DD1.1/2.1 CPUs to profit off that? I was under the impression that they already sold out.

>>961562

Bro don't get something that costs so much of your savings unless it makes you money.

Financial security first.

>>960984

>lulwut u faggot u wrong coz THIS VERY SPECIFIC SCENARIO ON THIS SPECIFIC HARDWARE

>oh for modern games ur right tho

Jesus Christ. Either way, I find that unlikely unless you mean a card older than GTX 600 series.

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau-410-blob&num=1

>>961815

>They could do a soldered CPU to save money as well.

And soldered RAM.

>IBM's TDP numbers are a maximum possible power consumption, not an average that can be exceeded like Intel, AMD, and ARM.

Thats because IBM makes things with the intention of them being run at near capacity for years on end. I seem to remember hearing someone complain about the POWER8 CPUs having poor power management which resulted in excessive power consumption at idle, to which an IBM engineer responded with something along the lines of "why are you idling the CPU?".

>I'd still go with a dual socket board starting off with 4 cores adding in 22 cores when the price goes down.

Just remember that you don't gain anything in terms of L3 cache once you go past 12 cores, in fact the 16 core CPUs have less cache than the 12 core CPUs. 12 core and less have 10MB L3 per core while anything above that has 5MB L3 per core.

>>961805

>an actual test of a dataset large enough to dwarf the L3 cache.

It would also need to be heavily threaded to properly test the Epyc and Threadripper CPUs since there is non-uniform memory access due to it being a multi die design.

>>961934

Naa, use kepler with latest git and not year year old shit like pozzorinix uses. Mesa 13.2 is much much slower then mesa 18.*.* git.

>>961973

>L3 cache

You sure about all that? In the last thread we had about the Talos 2 one guy said every CPU has 120 MiB eDRAM for L3 even the cheapest 4 core. Looking at wikichip this seems to be correct as only the L1 and L2 caches have the 'per core' description.

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/ibm/microarchitectures/power9#Memory_Hierarchy

>>962188

Ok. These are the results for Mesa 18.2-devel with a kepler card and newer. Similar results.

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau-summer-2018&num=2

Still awful in comparison.

>>962190

>You sure about all that?

Yes, the Power9 CPU is divided into 12 chiplets each containing 10MB of L3 cache and two SMT4 cores. For the 4, 8, and 12 core versions one of the cores on each active chiplet (of which there are 4, 8, or 12 respectively) is disabled.

Calling "lshw -C memory" on my dual 8 core system shows a total of 16 10MB L3 caches.

>Looking at wikichip this seems to be correct as only the L1 and L2 caches have the 'per core' description.

That's because L3 is shared between 2 cores.

Cache size is how they artificially partition the gamer gear and the server hardware. A small cache is fine for games, but a server with a working set of 1TB would be fucked. They're likely only a few percent more expensive to produce due to the physical size increase.

>>962351

>A small cache is fine for games, but a server with a working set of 1TB would be fucked.

VMs also like cache.

>They're likely only a few percent more expensive to produce due to the physical size increase.

Big caches kill yields.

>>960989

>Everybody still wants the firmware blobs to be opened up, and that is a valid argument againts AMD

as a holder of 15 shares of amd and a major amd stakeholder explain to me why i should let you just take everything you want instead of paying for my hard work?

>>962324

Checking out Raptor's store this seems to be the way they describe it. Not that disappointing considering that a 32 core threadripper has 64mb and costs $1800. You can buy two 8 core CPUs with 160mb total and still have $600 left over. Both setups have 64 threads.

From now on I'm going to get a single 8 core for starting out. Add in either another 8 core or 18/22 core later depending on what would benefit my work the most.

>>962509

The thread about that has been stickied, I thought the same thing as this board almost never has any stickies and didn't think to look for it there in the catalog.

>>962451

Because then you increase your marketshare for hardware sales first of all. As more users see the security vulnerabilities with x86 and eventually GPU's having everything open source creates user trust. Secondly it reduces the time needed to dev as anyone from the community can contribute improvements. This also acts as free advertising as users will advertise their improvements to other users, and thereby your hardware sales increase further. Third it improves the user feedback proccess for the managers, as they can give concrete examples of what is wrong with the product and how to fix it in the future, thereby improving sales.

Open source is better in every way for future sales. Switch now.

>>962457

Not if they don't open source the PSP and the GPU firmware blob. Otherwise you are asking for a intel shitshow if anyone finds a bug in it in the future. Which someone will eventually. If it was opensource to begin with then this wouldn't be such a shitshow, it would just get fixed and few if any would care.

>>962620

>If it was opensource to begin with then this wouldn't be such a shitshow

AMD & Intel have contractual obligations that prevent them from doing so

https://www.devever.net/~hl/intelme

There's no point in asking them to free it or make chips that don't have it.

>>962638

This is for x86 remember. AMD can keep making effort to opensource, or even outright remove troublesome parts of their hardware like the PSP for consumers. But the future is RISC based chips like RISC-V. When and or if AMD starts developing their own RISC-V chips for embedded, supercomputers, and or consumers then opensourcing the rest of the motherboard such as the clocksource would make them more trustworthy.

Sure for the next 5-10 years corperations and consumers might keep using x86/trash but investing in a successful risc startup such and sifive is a good alternative when all the hardware goes to shit. Or better yet AMD should they start developing their own chips. I'd buy a risc-v chip and board if it were opensource by AMD. But the heads of the CEO board are all (((fake jews))) who would never let that happen because it ruins the monopoly they have on computing hardware.

>>962638

Wait they by NDA from the kikes are contracted to backdoor every chip? Well all the more reason for AMD to expand their hardware lineup into something they are not contractually obligated to backdoor/make defective by design.

>>963513

>Risc-v will only make it where ARM is now and that will be years from now

You are a retarded nigger. RISC-V does not need nore have (((ARM trustzone))), legacy instructions, and uneccessary on die schedulars unlike ARM. So heatdeath is not a issue for RISC-V unlike x86 already having hit the performance bottleneck and ARM approaching it. It might take years for RISC-V to catch up, but after that it will just piledriver straight through the hard performance limit you have with x86 right now.

You can thank me. I bought a ryzen 2600

>>963572

Thank you

>>963602

Yeah but then if you had waited and sold them at $24.86, you would have regretted not waiting a couple of months/years when it gots to $40. You never know. One can only work with the current information one has at hand.

>>963602

>invest in bitcoin at 350

>wasted 2 on french ellection

>didn't sell other 2 at 20K

>kept most of the ether I bought at $15

>sitting on these gains trying not to think about it so I dont worry about them

I pulled some ether already and already got back my 1800 so no major loss but I think about it even though I try nto to

>>963602

There's a saying in the stock world:

Bulls make money.

Bears make money.

Pigs get slaughtered.

You did better than someone that didn't even buy any AMD stock. Of I wasn't such an extreme poorfag I'd get some AMD and just DRIP it.

This thread is full of idiots...

AMD is rising in stock because they have been following their release schedule. It doesn't matter if their products are 100% better than Intel's because the huge companies that make them most of their money don't care. What they DO care about is the fact that AMD has been meeting their chip release schedule, and as of late, Intel has been pushing their new chips back further and further. What this means is that when the huge data centers come around to purchase mass amounts of chips for new machines they're going to look at Intel and see that they're being inconsistent, making them not a good upgrade path (because there haven't been any real new chips in so long) and that by comparison AMD is working at a steady and accurately published pace, making them the easy buy. Because of this, investors are seeing that data centers are leaning towards buying bulk AMD chips for the immediate future and are starting to gobble up AMD stocks because when Amazon for example decides to order 30,000 ryzen chips for a new data center it's going to drive AMD's income through the rough and that will spill back onto investors.

>>963642

so it goes

>>963658

This is right on the money, investors care about future growth more so than earnings per share and a company hitting its milestones is a good indicator of future growth.

>>963572

I was going to upgrade to a 2600, but then I decided to wait for 7nm.

>tfw I sold my 10k dollars worth of shares that I bought at 5 bucks in 2016 a few months later

Goodbye 40 thousand dollars. Never knew ya.

>>963602

>>963728

the just reward of traitors. no strategy can outmatch buy and never sell! idiots.

>>966072

This.

>>962620

This shows naivete to business and the consumer target.

We're looking at a bell curve here. The folks who can even parse what you wrote are such a small fraction of the consumer base that the energy you spent writing the words could have better been spent jerking off.

The subset of people who are intelligent enough to understand the benefits of freedom in this space is probably large enough to make a moderate impact to the status quo if it acts in unison. The subset of people who are intelligent enough, knowledgeable enough, and personally/professionally incentivized enough to make a major change still isn't large enough yet. I know so many normies who, if they had a reason or inclination to look into this stuff, would agree completely. Their biological strategy is closer to "long term stuff will sort itself out", so any Stallman prophecies are pretty much non starters. Nevermind the future dystopia my children will face. Tbh probably not a bad strat.

The reasons you provided for AMvidia to open up their systems aren't wrong--but those who recognize them won't shift the course for a while.

Maybe too blackpill. Progress has been made and continues, so there's that.

>muh single core performace is slightly better in the latest AAA gaymes

Why are Intel shills such mongrel mongoloids? Remember this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDByiRhMjVA

I've wanted to get into stocks and at least try getting some returns while I sit on my ass and don't do anything. Is this a good time to invest in AMD or is there a consensus that it might be peak and stay stable or start declining? I guess if this was an easy question to answer, it wouldn't be gambling and I don't know enough about this stuff to think I wouldn't be gambling.

>>967502

It's definitely on the rise right now.

Might go down when Nvidia's RTX cards are released (so good time to buy the stock here) and go up again when the new AMD cards release in 2019 (good time to sell).

Btw I don't know anything about stocks

>>967502

Read AMD's letter of the chairman in the annual report, discard marketing speak, see if what it says is reasonable, read the older letters and compare to modern reports to see if it's usually kept its promises, proceed to see how much of the stock worth is backed by actual physical things, see how much the growth is factored in by discounting for the next couple of years and see if it's a growth number you find reasonable.

Don't put money into stocks that you have not personally investigated.

I don't understand why anyone would buy an Intel CPU currently. Does the 8700k beat Ryzen processors in certain situations? Yes. But, AM4 will remain supported for a long time, and I doubt Intel will be able to move away from 10nm by the time 5nm AMD CPUs hit the market. Oh, and their 10nm CPUs are going to use a new chipset, be ready. Seriously, Intelfags go as far as to delid their CPUs, buy new motherboards annually/acquiesce to their contrived tick-tock (they hardly have improved since the 2600k), AND lose what little performance advantage the exorbitant price tag justified because of their slipshod, hacky, insecure design (the IBM/AMD implementation of SMT is not only more performant, it's also always encrypted--this should be a no-brainer, Intel).

>>963642

I know this feel. I try not to think about it, or tell myself that I probably would have cashed out super early like a retard. Heck I remember thinking $100-300 was the peak, none of us could have predicted bitcoin would go as far as it did.

>>962451

Nobody is paying for firmware blobs; they're paying for hardware. If you open up the blobs, it just makes it easier for people to use the hardware they're paying for. That's nowhere close to an argument against FOSS.

>>paying double or triple the price to get 10% advantage

there are people who think this is important

>>967979

There's a war on for device firmware though. The Chinese will clone anything and having special firmware / hardware interface DRM is a way for companies to protect themselves against chink cloning. A shit ton of the firmware out there is even encrypted and obfuscated to prevent piracy these days. A couple years back the company which makes a bunch of USB to serial converters included a check for their hardware and if the firmware detected a clone it would fail to work. It caused a huge stink, and showed that perhaps 1/2 of all the USB serial adapters sold were illegitimate clones of one single brand's product. This company was wondering why it was producing firmware for devices it didn't even make, for free, and did something about it.

What happened? Soyboys and bugmen whined that their USB serial adapters were 'broken' by this mean company and caused such a stink that they cucked the manufacturer into continuing to support clones with its firmware!

If NVIDIA cloned an ATI card so blatantly that the same ATI drivers worked flawlessly, and sold it for a tenth the cost, would you blame ATI for including a hardware check to verify that it was running on a legit ATI card? I don't have the answers but I do see a future where we have more blobs and hardware is less open. Companies can't count on legal protection (the chinks will laugh you out of court if you try to sue them for pirating your IP) so they resort to other means, which harm their users, but they need those shekels to keep going.

>>968028

>need those shekels to keep going

You do realise that AMD, Jewtel, and nvidia are subsidized and sponsored by the US government, right? They wouldn't have to make a cent from this point foward forever and the will last as long as the US government exists with the US federal reserve note monopoly.

>>968030

No, these companies would still be fleecing you of your cash. Libertarians have a bizarre concept of individual liberty where the only real threat is from the state and if we could just get rid of that and be left to our own devices we'd be living in a more harmonious society. Some of them recognize that globalist corporations are not very good either, but hand-wave it away as just another result of failing to adhere to free market principles. "Well the problem is that the state is feeding these corporations!" Corporations are bureaucracies too, and they come with their own special set of problems. That's another bizarre thing about libertarians. They seem to have this concept of the marketplace as this Ayn Rand-style system where inventive and free-wheeling entrepreneurs are building a dynamic society, constrained only by the accursed state. Anyone who has ever had to deal with their HR department is fully aware of the bureaucratic inertia of the modern corporation, a fact of life that was inevitable as industries grew larger. Globalism, including the free trade and open borders libertarians love, is feeding this beast. The absolute best way to cripple the mega-corps is to force them to give their Chinese/Indian chattel the American minimum wage. They would all crumble instantly.

because amd is cheaper and better then intel-aviv

>>968038

>You want to start a hardware company and bypass all this bullshit by not using the USA controlled fake currency? Too bad because of *insert patent here* that *insert kike monopoly here* has and the USA government corp enforces their monopoly over said thing.

>Take for example DDR4 RAM, if you wanted to make it or encorperate the device and firmware needed to read it into your very own motherboard you have to pay a very expensive bribe to sony who has a monopoly on DDR4 ram patents and copyrights.

>Atleast if manufacturing or selling to the USA against the wishes of the kikes.

You're missing the point. Yes they abuse the courts and patents, but they can get away with it _because_ they bankroll the best lawyers/lack proper regulation. They send most of their "jobs" overseas and tell us we're bigots if we don't let aliens in. They also treat their chattel overseas incredibly cruelly, while accusing us of racism. If you go after how they break laws? Then they'll destroy you in court, because (as I said) they have the best lawyers. Businesses abuse everyone and chase wealth in the most opprobrious manners, and somehow it's all the fault of the government.

>>968046

>but they can get away with it _because_ they bankroll the best lawyers

No shit, because they are literally printing money. They don't need your money to afford those lawerys as other kikes such as the federal reserve will just hand them free money in different forms.

>/lack proper regulation

This doesn't matter as the ones enforcing the regulation are also kikes in general, which means they will make exception to continue the monopoly of *insert thing here*.

>>968049

>This doesn't matter as the ones enforcing the regulation are also kikes in general, which means they will make exception to continue the monopoly of *insert thing here*.

But that's what's so strange about this: It's ostensibly easier to go after the state today (I think a petition was made about Google/Facebook censorship recently) than it is to stop these oligarchs that want you disarmed, displaced, and subjugated--and the subjugation will be so severe that you can never break free. But, alas, it's what the free market demands.

>>968054

>dat sprf

Nice going there son! One point: I think you aught to replace "kike" with "greedy person" since i) it's more accurate ii) greed isn't localized to certain ethnic groups or religions

>>968076

why are you denying jewish influence

>>960576 (OP)

>Intel is fucking up

>kikes in any event don't want Intel to be an obvious monopoly, so controlled opposition is let exist

>AMD now is doing well

>>968076

>>>/oven/

New me :)

>>963642

>get bitcoin when they were giving everyone hand outs to build a money pool

>no idea how to access it now

Good, about time intel got their noses off the scales.

When Ryzen launched they had a bunch of uniformed hit piece articles sink the stock with stupid speculation.

Tech is simple, if you can deliver the similar or equal performance (if not greater) at a much better price, you win.

>>978682

Eric's a kike https://archive.fo/uERdN and so is jeff bezos' wife you stupid faggot.

>>961388

I actually wrote that while in China, suck it, nerd.

>>978697

Not just speculation, but stupidity. Many on Wall Street (and the tech rags they apparently get their info from) shot Intel down for setbacks with 10nm. Which is actually technically equivalent to Global Foundaries' 7nm. So they get a strike for architecture (in their minds) and for being behind on schedule. When they're all roughly in a similar place.

https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/7191-iedm-2017-intel-versus-globalfoundries-leading-edge.html