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>windows is a botnet
>macos is for cucks
>linux will be consumed by systemdicks
>plan9 is in perpetual alpha
what is the future os in current year goyim?
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>>954606 (OP)
nothing wrong with systemd. sage because literally gitgud.
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Realistically, a hypervisor that is completely locked down and designed with the encrypted memory extensions being worked on in mind. It will make it impossible to reverse engineer software without having nation-state resources or being Israel. It will be used to spy on you, detect wrongthink, and prevent you collaborating against your masters.
If we hadn't killed Hitler, we'd instead be talking about the future of kernels being where everything runs in kernel mode at the same privilege level. Programs in bytecode would be verified safe when the OS does codegen so most context switches and complex and slow shit like copy_from_user() that were needed for safety on kernels depending on the hardware to provide security could be dropped. We might even be talking about systems to safely allow upcalls from the kernel to a user program, getting rid of buffering at the network layer.
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systemd is a godsend of an init suite. fuck off
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>>954648
by the time reactos is out of alpha i will be dead and niggers will be extinct
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>>954657
it takes time to unfuck Windows
▶ No.954666>>954668 >>954669 >>954678 >>954792 >>955322
I think the more important question is what comes after Linus Torvalds, meaning Linux after he kicks the bucket. You know it'll become a SJW shitfest.
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>>954666
What comes after linus dies is porting kernel modules to openbsd or REDOX OS. Redox is more secure yes seriously because of eliminating most classes of vulnerabilities via rust. But redox uses rust which is already a SJW shithole even though the language itself is useful. OpenBSD is slightly less secure and also has some SJW influence but not as badly as the rust language. But openbsd has intel agencies on all sides trying to eliminate it and its developers from existence along with using the C language and carrying the baggage of POSIX compatibility. But it just werkz with most linux programs after a small amount of porting meaning a huge catalog of FOSS programs and wine/windows programs. But again, either of these options are dependent on writing/porting drivers from sctratch/linux so your hardware works with said kernels.
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>>954610
xen is funded by Intel-aviv, so that's out. sel4 is still obscure as fuck and has a ways to go, but it's probably the future. saging since this thread is about to become a category 5 shit hurricane of pajeets and systemd niggers.
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>>954666
Linus Torvalds doesn't do much programming for Linux, it's mostly code study for approval into Linux and setting the direction of Linux. His top developers know his style and know how he does things in LKML.
▶ No.954679>>954680
GNU will not stop being GNU. It will continue as long as there are developers willing to invest into it.
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>>954679
GNU is subverted by redhat who, in the future, could at a moments notice can change the liscense on almost all GNU GPL2 programs to another licsense for future versions that is not libre.
>>954678
This means nothing when those programmers are paid by jewgle and TLA's to do their bidding. Linus is a gatekeeper of codequality/backdoor removal. Take him out of the equation and the kernel is ripe for subversion and backdoors to pass through with no one saying a word or losing their jobs/lives as the cost.
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>>954680
this. the future does not look good for Linux or GNU.
>but muh open source
>muh audits
by the time major vulnerabilities are found and made public (which on average is about 5-10 years after they were introduced) glowindarks have already got their money's worth.
▶ No.954686>>955375
Probably OpenBSD/NetBSD or MINIX
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>>954606 (OP)
ReactOS, Haiku, BSD, RedoxOS
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>>954680
>GNU is subverted by redhat who, in the future, could at a moments notice can change the liscense on almost all GNU GPL2 programs to another licsense for future versions that is not libre.
What of value would actually be lost? systemd? PulseAudio? What does RedHat own that Linux is actually better off with?
If there's anything actually good they own, people could just pick up development on the old version if they change the license.
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>>954688
<If there's anything actually good they own, people could just pick up development on the old version if they change the license.
Not if redhat purges the internet of the code for the old versions before doing the subversion like they are doing with binary only distributions and controlling freedesktop.org's source repository.
>What of value would actually be lost?
GNUsocial, GNUnet, iputils, mount, udev, glibc, and others I probably can't think of right now. Just removing glibc fucks literally every *nix distrobution including openBSD right in the ass.
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>>954691
The only problem with removing the source code is literally every copy and install of gentoo/derivatives in existence. Which means there would have to be a controlled purge of entirely source based distributions. I don't know how redhat would achieve that short of a super worm spread via rsync/ebuild files that wait's for days to connect to drives that the user may have for backups and destroys everything via wifi/ethernet card directed radiation. Or better yet, a five dollar wrench and a list of gentoo users.
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>>954691
>literally every *nix distribution
alpine linux would be completely fine
ALPINE MASTER RACE
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>>954701
Does alpine linux use a static /dev or eudev? If the answer is no then it too would be afffected.
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>>954607
>First post is a kike post
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>>954692
>>954691
Life of author plus 100 years.
All it would take is for Redhat/M$/Apple/Jewgle to "convince" the heir of the Linux kernel copyright to sign over the rights of the OFFICIAL LINUX KERNEL.
Once they obtain the license, they can then drive development, and the open source world will be stuck with Linus' last version.
The move would be similar to the Oracle ZFS bullshit.
>glibc
That shit should have been moved over to musl, or anything else really.
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>>954705
>Life of author plus 100 years.
This means literally nothing if, (1) the authors of said code transfer the copyright/licsense to something other then free/libre, (2) the old licsensed code doesn't exist/is purged from everything, (3) you aren't under EU or US law.
But yea, the linux kernel is somewhat safe as long as linus' eye's are looking at it, for now.
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>>954680
GNU isn't yet subverted, but they're working on it. Never forget how they walked all over rms because he didn't see 20 years in the future some words would be triggering nor that triggering would be a thing.
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>>954668
I can see myself using Redox if it matures. And maybe by then, Rust will be tolerable to program with.
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Systemd is NOT that bad. The worst thing you can say about it is that it's bloated, and even with it GNU/Linux is still a thousand times better than anything else. If Systemd unironically replaced the kernel I'd use GNU/Systemd before switching operating systems.
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>>954723
It is. Not everyone is a fanboy.
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>>954724
That's a joke, right?
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>>954606 (OP)
Probably a microkernel architecture, systems are moving more towards highly concurrent designs and the disadvantages of monolithic and hybrid architectures and current system interfaces like POSIX are already showing their limitations.
>>954610
>we'd instead be talking about the future of kernels being where everything runs in kernel mode at the same privilege level.
You are a fucking retard.
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>>954728
Of course. Everyone is a systemd fanboy.
I don't know what's with the gay logo but it's a real award: https://pwnies.com/archive/2017/winners/
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>>954730
>the award is real
>pottering got sent a golden pony in shame of his shitty software practices
>mfw
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>>954724
Nobody is a fanboy of an init system lmao. It's just that not everyone cries about it either. 99% of users will literally never interact with it. Ever. It's a total non-issue.
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>>954735
>99% of users will literally never interact with it. Ever. It's a total non-issue.
Good point. Windows users aren't affected at all, so it doesn't really matter. Even the risk introduced by SystemD's gigantic attack surface is actually good as it benefits Red Hat, who, again, is the 99% of Linux companies money-wise, and Microsoft - again helping 99% of users instead of a few nerds.
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>>954741
Do you have the full vid?
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>>954606 (OP)
Nothing. This is the end. Now we find old computers and restore them, or build equivalents from kits or similar designs from old parts.
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>>954753
Whatever. Keep lying to yourself and think you can find a magical OS saviour. I'm already using OpenBSD for well over a decade, and it's not the final solution. It's only marginally better than Linux. And that's about the "best" there in the modern world. You would have better luck with TempleOS on Terry's new PIC-based hardware design, if he ever gets around to making it.
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>>954756
What part of MAKE IT you don't understand?
You want something that nobody makes? You have to do it yourself.
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>>954758
The part where it's running on modern hardware that's full of botnet and you can't ever be sure some malware or bugs isn't hidden deep.
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>>954762
>I'm going to make something tailor fit to myself but I'm going to use components I know I don't want there
You're fucking retarded.
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>>954763
I don't have to make anything new, because there's already plenty of old designs to choose from. Basically anything up through m68k-based computers is fine for me. The Terry Davis computer is an idea for someone else to do, someone who actually has experience in hardware design.
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>>954606 (OP)
Not really into the plan9 "community" though i have used it.
Is it just me or has the userbase for it grown?
I see more and more frequent posts about it. (even on leddit when i just look at what /r/plan9).
Could 9front or jehhane or harveyOS be to the original plan9 what BSD or linux is for unix?
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>>954662
It takes far less time to produce Windows though. Unless the Russian government dumps funding and resourses in (which could be in their interest) then ReactOS XP won't come out before I build a functional, good-looking copy of mai waifubot. (circa 2072)
Wine will work on so many more OSs and won't be obselete before beta so I think it is a far better use of development resources.
▶ No.954776>>954784
Redux OS, the premiere Rust operating system
:^)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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>>954776
The creator refused to add a coc and said that he is an ancap so there is that.
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>ctrl-f
>no chromebook
https://bloodntongue.bandcamp.com/track/it-aint-rape
embrace the botnet
it has silo'd android and linux now (linux in dev channel)
the unix experience beats what you can get with OSX or Windows 10 except for the bugs
the OS and the hardware just werks, no fuss
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>>954666
He already stated that he has people he trusts to.
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>>954735
>Fresh install of ubuntu
>systemd taking 100% cpu
LITERALLY NEVER INTERACT WITH IT.
It's a buggy piece of shit and the devs are proud of the bugs.
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>>954654
I hope you die a slow and painful death
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>>954606 (OP)
Just use BSD or Linux without systemd. There's also Open Indiana which is a fork of the Open Solaris base that ships either as a minimal text install or a Live CD with MATE. If you want something with a shit tier window manager and barely any software, try Sculpt OS. It's based on the Genode framework and the seL4 microkernel OS. It's pretty secure and stable with basic tools like Bash and Vim.
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>>954654
It's more than a million lines of spaghetti code. I hate this whole horseshit narrative of "it's open source so it isn't backdoored!" that seems to get promoted by tech illiterate morons. Sytemd is so large that it couldn't be reasonably audited in a lifetime by any one or even a handful of people, so it might as well be closed source. The whole freetard ideology is a self-defeating one, in that code can just be bloated to the point where no one reads it, making it non-free. Compare this to something like the MINIX kernel core which is like 3000 lines. Shove it up your ass, faggots.
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saas vm running on web assembly running in dalvik hosted on xen w/ BOSSlinux.in dom0
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the real question is whether we are still going to be running next gen OSes on x86 or will we finally get fully libre RISC processors
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>>954899
fully libre RISC processors already exist but "next-gen OS'" will likely support x86-64 first unless you can somehow get a fully libre RISC processor to be mainstream which would require a feature set robust enough and an IPC fast enough to justify using over current mainstream processors in other words never ever
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>>954607
Nobody even knows for sure what system d does.
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Ideally OpenBSD gains popularity or the suckless philosophy catches on and we get a mostly GNU-free Linux. OSS4 instead of ALSA or PulseAudio would be nice too. 9front gaining popularity would be really nice too but I doubt that will happen anytime soon.
In the mobile space, probably Fuchsia.
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>>954607
Poettering you disgusting CIA nigger pls.
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>>954855
Another shit argument for systemd is that "if you're gonna complain about systemd, you need to also hate Linux because that's even bigger". Ignoring the fact that Linux is a monolithic kernel and has drivers as a justification for its size. Systemd has no excuse.
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>>954913
What's wrong with GNU?
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>>954735
You'll never interact with the tumor in your head, so it's a non-issue- right?
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>>954942
GNU is bloated to shit. Even lispnigger can't defend it.
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>>954606 (OP)
We are going to ditch OS altogether and go back to program over ISAs.
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>>954758
Why don't you fuck yourself? Most people around here are not smart enough to build a whole computing system from scratch in a reasonable amount of time. Your solution is akin to some Chad suggesting "Just be yourself" to an incel.
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>>954950
Then enjoy bitching and moaning forever because you never get exactly what you want.
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>>954951
As long as a single Jew remains alive I'll keep bitching and moaning forever.
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>>954952
>I'll cry and cry until someone does what I want done
Poor little princess.
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>>954961
That's literally just a mirror, you fucking moron.
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>>954735
the issue isn't that it's an init system, the issue is that it's cancer.
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>>954606 (OP)
OpenBSD
Redox OS
Fuchsia OS
Also OSes are a meme, 98% of their SLOC and complexity comes from drivers, on my own simple opensource hardware I wouldn't even need most of what an OS provides.
▶ No.955036
Linux is not yet consumed by systemdicks. There is much terrain in front of us, non-systemd distros can arose like Devuan, artix and others.
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>>954784
Did he really do that? If he did, I'd honestly be kind of impressed.
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>>954975
Well no shit? I just posted it because MS keeps deleting any mirrors of it after 14 years since the leak, smartass.
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>>955028
>OpenBSD
Great but will never reach mass adoption. Sad!
>Redox Os
Really the Rust meme?
>Fuchsia Os
Because when people want to switch to a new OS for security reasons they use one backed by Google.
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>>954606 (OP)
Multi-threaded HaikuPlan9/Mach with GNUSTEP Desktop
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>>955028
>OpenBSD
>Monolithic
>not pervasively multi-threaded like Haiku
>Redox OS
>not pervasively multi-threaded like Haiku
>Fuchsia OS
>made by an indian company
>JahVah
>shit widget toolkit
Cocoa is the only good Windowing Toolkit ever made. No other toolkit has a more elegant architecture, has services, or looks as nice as *STEP/Cocoa
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>>955059
Haiku is specifically for personal computing, it's cool and amazing but I don't know if a specific OS for the PC, phone and server is going to fly anymore.
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A new model of computing will eventually come out. And no I'm not talking about quantum, I'm talking about stuff that actually hits consumers hands.
So any OS designed now is kinda worthless.
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>>955062
I think it's a good idea for a PC OS designed only for PC usage. We already have Android as a phone OS as well as other minor systems that are designed only for phone computers. We already have super flexible GNU/Linux systems that can be tuned for server scenarios and that can continue as it is.
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>>954961
No one wants to be assfucked by one million lawyers
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>>954666
just don't update the kernel OwO
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>>954900
>fully libre RISC processors already exist
name one, and don't say opensparc or talos because neither are fully libre.
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>>954961
>Windows NT source code
that would unironically be pretty cool to tinker with
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>>955344
RISC-V on paper, in practice it has a BSD license so its more likely we'll see proprietary forks from fabless companies first
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>>955344
wait, what's non-free on the talos 2?
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>>955362
IIRC some components are using proprietary firmware
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>>954668
>>954686
>>954722
>>954913
>>955028
>openbsd
I like OpenBSD. Hopefully Lisp Machines make have some sort of resurgence.
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>>955375
>Lisp Machines
Also, in that same spirit, GuixSD is super cool. I currently run Gentoo, but am looking at tinkering into OpenBSD and GuixSD here soon.
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>>955375
>>955376
Reminder that Lisp runs faster on general purpose microcomputers than the dedicated Lisp Machines our resident blockquote spammer loves shilling. The only reason we don't have a decent LispOS right now is Lispfags being lazy as usual.
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>>955059
>Cocoa
You mean Openstep + Display PS of course, which lives on as GNUstep.
▶ No.959938>>959950
SystemD is not such a big deal we have to abandon Linux you guys are retarded honestly
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>>959938
It's a sign of a larger, systemic disorder. Linux is a research OS where code quality isn't important, and bloat is encouraged. People are getting tired of ever-larger subsystems and the corporate-driven development model.
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Systemd-free distros are not going away, don't worry.
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>>954705
>the heir of the Linux kernel copyright
There are thousands of copyright holders. Unlike GNU, Linus never required contributors to assign copyright. Linus, or any heir of his, could not change the license if they wanted to. He pointed this out when GPL v3 came out.
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>>960028
Not unless redhat got every single living kernel contributer to sign their copyright over to a single corperation. Such as all the jewgle/redhat/apple/facebook contributers handing their copyright permission to a single coperation by contract and then waiting for the last copyright holders to die out. Or killing them off.
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>>954606 (OP)
A QUESTION MARK
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>>960043
How about doing what UC Berkeley did when there was that unpleasantness with AT&T? A couple grad students managed to make a compatible system stripped of legacy code in the wink of an eye.
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>>960028
>Linus, or any heir of his, could not change the license if they wanted to
This is false. If it was Linus's will, Linux can change the license to GPL3. What it will take is Linus's decree that only new code must be GPL3 compatible or it will not be included into the new versions of Linux. All the non-compliant old code will excised and rewritten to be compliant.
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>>954961
>>955346
I'm going to post files here that may be of interest, but they will be deleted automatically. If someone wants to rehost them with legal confidence, go for it.
https://volafile.org/r/nf66g5e0
When they are gone, I'm deleting this post.