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>The feature, first reported by CNET a year ago and officially called private tabs with Tor, is built into Brave 0.23. The official Brave 1.0 is due to ship this year, but 2.8 million people already use the browser monthly, Eich said. To use the new feature, you can either select "New Private Tab with Tor" from the file menu or flip on the Tor switch once you've opened a new private tab. Using Tor on one tab doesn't affect other ordinary or private tabs.
>"Studies show that users expect private tabs prevent things like ISPs tracking them or other people on Wi-Fi tracking them," but in fact ordinary private tabs don't, Zhu said. "Tor private tabs bring private tabs much closer to what the user expects private tabs to do."
<Mozilla says it's too early to know when the project will bear fruit. But Brave's Tor support is here now -- although in a testing stage to try to find problems and patch known privacy leaks compared to Tor's better-tested browser.
Laughing at Firecucks right now.
Sauce: https://www.cnet.com/news/brave-advances-browser-privacy-with-tor-powered-tabs/?utm_source=reddit.com
▶ No.936627>>936633 >>936685 >>937619 >>938928
>>936625 (OP)
>unironically a ledditor
>no archive
http://archive.fo/M53Sx
<Brave Chief Information Security Officer is a chink
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▶ No.936637>>936641
>>936634
Eich isn't Jewish.
▶ No.936640>>936693 >>937623
>Brave is nonfree
>trust my Tor tabs, goyim
▶ No.936641>>936684
>>936637
>non-free browser
>replacing ads with ads
He might not be one of (((them))) by birth, but damn if he isn't trying
▶ No.936651>>950343
Does the Mozilla dev team check this board?
▶ No.936659>>936666 >>936881
>Tor network is now flooded by normies that don't obey Tor Project's anonymity advises, as well as CIA Nigger browser fingerprints
>network gets flooded with more traffic from people who don't care or know about it
>anonymity set goes down the loo hole
Gee, I wonder who might be behind this?
▶ No.936666>>936687
>>936659
It doesn't matter. After trying alpha, I'm seriously thinking about stopping using tor browser. The nufirefox is megashit, especialy with combination in cuckscript. It has 1/10 of what the previous cuckscript had.
(((memes)))
▶ No.936684>>936745 >>936772
>>936641
>muh ideology
>muh websites should not be able to pay for servers
How's that working out for ya faggot.
▶ No.936685>>937621 >>938928 >>946696
>>936627
>shortened link
Please don't.
▶ No.936686
They probably just proxy this tab through tor daemon without caring about fingerprinting
Into the trash it goes
▶ No.936687>>936965 >>937724
>>936666
Mozilla has helped Brave grow a lot because they have mismanaged Firefox so terribly. Yay sjws!
▶ No.936688
>>936625 (OP)
The only thing that's missing for me to use it is a umatrix firewall.
▶ No.936692>>936693
Great! Where's the newest source tarball?
▶ No.936693>>936701 >>936707 >>936729 >>936747 >>950109
Time to clarify things
>>936640
>Brave is nonfree
Incorrect. Brave is Free Software, with source available on Github.
https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop
>inb4 "muh ad injection"
When you first install Brave browser, this feature is disabled. You have to manually switch the settings to enable ad replacement. There are 3 settings you can choose from. "Allow Ads and Tracking", which disables all protections, "Block Ads", which runs a regular adblocker, and "Show Brave Ads" which is the ad replacement. If I remember correctly, the default is "Block Ads".
Additionally, I would trust Brave ads over Google ads in terms of respect for user privacy. You don't have to see either though, and I personally keep my settings to "Block Ads"
>no extensions!
Coming next month.
https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Status-Updates
>>936692
Enjoy!
https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop/releases
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>>936693
>https://github.com
For gods sake make your own git.
▶ No.936707>>936725 >>936932
>>936693
>Enjoy!
>https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop/releases
WEW
I thought it was proprietary (believed /tech/ LARPers) so I was jesting, but I might actually try it now.
▶ No.936725>>936770
>>936707
Truly the FUD is real.
▶ No.936726>>936791
>>936625 (OP)
does it still leak real canvas data? If so, no thanks, not using it for derpweb browsing
▶ No.936729>>936742
>>936693
And how is this better than Firefox? It doesn't even use Rust!
▶ No.936745>>936773 >>936782
>>936684
Get a job, webshit. I ain't gonna pay your hosting fees with my private data and attention. Web ads are like ad banners on architecture. You have the right to put them on your property, but don't expect people to visit your place very often because of that. You want to earn money? Start selling a product, not air, you filthy kike.
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>>936747
Is the guy who makes these articles Canadian?
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▶ No.936772>>936904
>>936684
>>muh websites should not be able to pay for servers
You realize Brave's ad-replacer steals the user's data while simultaneously reducing the website's revenue. Bad for the user, bad for the website, only good for (((Eich))).
But hey, he's totally our guy, he said something to pass off SJWs, so he's one of us. Surely that wasn't some sort of marketing ploy to fool retards.
▶ No.936773
>>936745
>durr sites that I visit should die
I hope you never complain about botnets or normieweb since you personally ensure they triumph.
▶ No.936782>>936822
>>936745
I don't even think people should be allowed to put ads on "their property", unless its inside. I mean the photons still reach me.
▶ No.936786>>936789 >>936801
I hope it emulates the tor browser perfectly. Who am I kidding. They a probably already have the technology to distinguish the two.
Hint: blocking ads reduces your anonymity
▶ No.936789>>936809
>>936786
>Hint: blocking ads reduces your anonymity
This is not true or false.
It would reduce anonymity if people would have different set rules on the *blockers. But if there's already a number of settings that people can use in the Tor browser then it's ok. Otherwise tor wouldn't provide three settings to have a no|medium|full block of certain functions in the browser.
▶ No.936791>>936861 >>936916
>>936726
You can disable canvas in every Firefox/Firefox forks which have canvas.
Set fixed window size, hack javascript timings a little. These are the fingerprint preventions that Tor Browser has and can't be configured in the official version of Firefox.
▶ No.936801>>936802 >>936839
>>936786
Depends on how you block ads. Not loading or not displaying them?
I highly doubt not loading 30 ad sites on 50 domains with full referrer (the Tor Browser default) gives less network fingerprint than blocking all 3rd-party connections and not sending/spoofing referrers.
>Hint: blocking ads reduces your anonymity
Tails users already have uBlock Origin.
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>>936801
*fix* I highly doubt not loading
▶ No.936809>>937195
>>936789
>if people would have different set rules on the *blockers
Yes. Unfortunately, the regular tor browser doesn't and hasn't ever used an ad blocker.
>therwise tor wouldn't provide three settings
I honestly think this is one of the worst decisions the tor project has ever made.
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>>936782
You might like North Korea (until it gets zogged), I recall from those youtube tours that not a single billboard or nigger was visible on the main roads.
▶ No.936839>>936855
Tor browser didn't even fix scrollbar width detection yet, and they talk about merging into one project with Mozilla. Imagine how much userbase would it lose in oppressive countries the day after they announce a default Tor support in Firefox, and how much network would stress with all normalfags watching their porn in "private mode".
>>936801
But uBlock in Tails is configured to block only basic ads, not all country-specific domains which pretty much moots the point of using adblocker to block (hide) ads, and when some users will start setting different lists, here you go - different fingerprints and less privacy. Ad blockers were never designed to protect user's privacy, rather to lower network traffic and speeding up browsers. By checking which ad domains user loads and which he doesn't it is possible for sites to track. However it would be nice to drop NoScript malware in favor uMatrix instead.
I'd like to mention here that I see a lot of shortsighted "everything is botnet, disable it and use X extensions for Firefox or this obscure browser with spoofed User agent" attitude on tech image boards by people who don't fully understand the situation. Tor Browser itself is a good enough anonymizing tool within the Tor network, but using similar approach to privacy and anonymity on clearnet would result in you sticking out even more. Real life example: If a group of people wears Guy Fawkes masks sanitized identical browser fingerprint, they are indistinguishable (anonymous) when holding as a group Exit nodes. But if you put on a mask in a crowd of people without masks, despite seemingly giving less information about your face, you still leak ton of metadata to an observer such as: you have something to hide, your iris color, your directions and walking speed, your pace, who you talk to and what you talk about, voice samples. A good scenario would be to put on other people's faces, some mass market generic clothes and adopting their behavioral patterns [spoiler]a large chunk of browser fingerprintable metadata like custom canvas, font spoofing, is ignored by Tor Project and average imageboard paranoiacs who think they're anonymous by using Lynx over VPN /spoiler]
How many people do you think use Tor browser with JS off? And how many of them don't resize default window even while accidentally clicking on borders? What if people who do these two things are in minority and thus, end being more fingerprintable? Think about it.
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>>936839
>different fingerprints and less privacy
with 3rd-party connection blocking and referrer spoofing: the government might be able to time correlate some traffic and missing traffic
Tor Browser with default settings: clicks and site visits are broadcasted to multiple profiling agencies even if Tor uses different circuits for opening the ad domains
Pick your poison...
▶ No.936861>>936873
>>936791
The fact that gay Pocket extension comes enabled is enough to make me stop using Firefox. I occasionally use it because I know how to use about:config but I imagine most users have no idea what that even means.
▶ No.936873
>>936861
>I occasionally use it because I know how to use about:config
*Please* tell me you take your prejs.js file with you, so you don't have to manually configure about:config everytime. It seems like most people don't do this.
▶ No.936880>>936915 >>936916
Cool, but botnet.
Basically, someone add this to Iridium.
▶ No.936881>>936889
>>936659
Wow, you don't understand Tor.
The more people that use it the more noise there is, the harder timing attacks are. The more people that are made aware of Tor the more nodes there are the harder it is to pull of a sybil.
There is no actual downside as long as you, an enlightened autist don't use the botnet browser. Small steps for the normies are needed.
▶ No.936889>>936893 >>946672
>>936881
Effectively camouflaging yourself against the noise of other Tor users relies on the browser fingerprints of each user being as close to identical as possible, if not wholly identical. Introducing users that each provide unique fingerprints through the Brave browser will make it more difficult for users of the Tor Browser Bundle to mask themselves.
That is, unless Brave has its Tor Tabs feature implemented in such a way to make its users indistinguishable from TBB users, or provide a large enough set of users with an identical Brave fingerprint that it creates a different kind of noise.
▶ No.936893>>936976
>>936889
I doubt they're smart enough to integrate Tor but too dumb to prevent basic fingerprinting
▶ No.936894>>936916 >>936976
Isn't is humorous the number of shills that magically appear out of the woodwork here whenever an actual advance in security or privacy is discussed?
▶ No.936904>>937190
It's a shame these threads get filled with so many ill-informed posts. If people would actually do some basic research posts like the following one wouldn't happen.
>>936772
>stealing user data
This is actually incorrect. All of the data is stored locally within the browser, and it pretty much the same data that is stored normally by browsers (stuff like history). This is also opt-in; the default behavior is just to block all ads and tracking.
>reducing website revenue
Actually, websites receive a larger share of revenue from Brave than they do normally:
>We give the lion’s share (pun intended) to websites. With our ad-share model, the default money flow directs up to 70% of ad revenue to site publishers -- far greater than the average percentage in the current programmatic display ad ecosystem. Brave keeps 15%, and allows the end-user to choose whether to donate or keep their 15% share. Keeping their share still results in 55% ad rev share to site owners – beating the current average of 45%.
Source: https://brave.com/braves-response-to-the-naa-a-better-deal-for-publishers/
>(((Eich)))
I don't believe he's Jewish actually.
Now, I don't use Brave myself. I require better add-on support than it currently provides. But for normalfags, it is probably THE best browser, especially in the mobile space.
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▶ No.936916
>>936791
Brave isn't Firefox, not even based on Gecko, Cirnofag
>>936880
Iridium source isn't updated anymore, and still uses Google blobs AFAIK
>>936894
maybe they're assuming that this integration is to increase anonymity and privacy of Brave lusers, rather than to add more unwashed masses to TOR and thus more anonymity for correctly configured traffic
it still isn't I2P-tier though
▶ No.936932
>>936707
Yo, do not trust anything about browsers. Mozilla is by far the most aggressive when it comes to spreading misinformation, both about themselves and their competition. Obviously with Google backing Chrome, and them being in the business of advertising, you can't trust them either.
Chrome is desperate to stay ahead while Firefox is trying not to die. They're both inclined to shit on everyone else and lie about how better they are. If people find out there's something legitimately better, they might switch to it and the current vendors dominating the market will lose their funding, influence, etc.
As a Firefox user, I'm desperate to jump ship. Vivaldi, Brave, Otter, and even Falkon are looking interesting. Brave stands a chance to become top contender in my list there, currently held by Vivaldi. None seem good enough yet, but now it's looking like some might be viable alternatives soon enough.
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>"""Private Tor tabs"""
You're doing it all wrong, that's not how you're supposed to use Tor.
▶ No.936956>>936964
>>936633
You have to go back.
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▶ No.936965>>936990
>>936687
This. Firefox used to be the power user's browser, now it's some kind of luser-catering bloatware that has no idea what it's own purpose even is.
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▶ No.936976>>937074
>>936893
shut the fuck up faggot. proxying connections is literally 5 lines of code even when you implement socks yourself. reducing fingerprint is much harder
>>936894
>some stupid meme functionality to integrate Tor into a browser which itself is a meme
>advance in security or privacy
isn't it humorous that when a shit thread appears a bunch of nigtards appear out of the woodwork
▶ No.936984
>not mentioning that Brave will become a full-blown Chromium fork soon
▶ No.936985
>>936964
t. OP sympathizer
▶ No.936990>>937382
>>936965
Firefox is still the power user's browser. The source code is still available for all power users to modify.
▶ No.937074>>937231
>>936976
>Setting the user agent is much harder
▶ No.937076
>>937031
>Not knowing the difference between free as in speech and free as in beer
Anon, this has already been debunked.
https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop
▶ No.937078
>>937031
It is free software. Ask rms himself if you care so much.
▶ No.937141>>975430
>>936747
Brave is less botnet than Firefox according to your shitty website.
▶ No.937190>>937211 >>939618
>>936904
What browser do you use?
▶ No.937195
>>936809
>I honestly think this is one of the worst decisions the tor project has ever made.
It still reduces a lot of the possible correlation to only three vector. Not like ublock origin who could produce a new fingerprint for each website depending on what it blocks or not.
I suppose one of the reasons that tor introduced that function was because of journalist who whined about how it would be unfriendly for the mass to use. I have to note tho that this filter would not be necessary if JavaScript or similar would have never been added in the web.
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>>937190
I use Pale Moon for most of my browsing. I find that it fits my particular use case very well. However, sometimes I run across a site that doesn't render properly for whatever reason that I have to access for work or uni or something. For those, I keep a secondary "suck" browser for websites that suck. For that, I use Iridium, configured with safe browsing turned off and privacy badger installed. I also have a couple of light browsers that I mainly use for checking news: my favorite of which is links2 running in graphical mode, though netsurf is also pretty good. It's a bit of a disk bloated setup, but it works well for what I need.
▶ No.937231
>>937074
If you genuinely think it's just the useragent, you need to read up on common user tracking methods and what tor browser does to prevent it...
Also this thread is cancer fuck brave
▶ No.937233
>>937211
Just wait till sometime next month. Brave will have full addon support and I can't wait!
▶ No.937382>>937400
>>936990
>Firefox is still the power user's browser
lel
▶ No.937400
>>937382
Firefox is for gay niggers to be honest.
▶ No.937418>>937444
If they add in-browser torrent support like old opera I might consider using it.
▶ No.937444>>937448
>>937418
They already do that. Whenever you download a torrent it downloads within Brave through an add-on.
▶ No.937448>>937568
>>937444
Interesting. Did they ever get around to copy/paste support in android?
▶ No.937568>>939579
>>937448
What is copy/paste support?
▶ No.937618>>937811 >>937843 >>939369
>>936625 (OP)
>>936625 (OP)
its fucking bullshit, tor.exe starts running and connecting over clearnet without even a warning, the moment you open Brave.
Glad my application firewall caught it, fuck them for announcing to my ISP "HEY GUISE IM BEING SUPER SECRET RN"
tor should only be used over personal vpn
▶ No.937619>>937621
>>936627
<Brave Chief Information Security Officer is a woman
FTFY
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▶ No.937621>>937626
>>936685
Autist detected
>>937619
Actually both. See her twatter account.
>implying Brave is safe from SJWs
▶ No.937623
>>936640
I literally do not give one shit if 75% of my operating system is open source as long as it has good software. It just so happens that most of the time open source software beats out proprietary shitware
▶ No.937626
>>937621
not the point
the point is women can't code, male chinks CAN code better than women
▶ No.937724>>937726
>>936687
>Yay sjws!
The mismanagement started on Eich's watch, learn your history already. The problem is a greedy corporate executive culture despite being a "non-profit", not identity politicking.
▶ No.937726>>937729 >>937774
>>937724
Of course it started, those SJW's didn't creep to influential enough positions to kick out Eich for wrongthink overnight. Could Eich have prevented it? Yes. In that sense fault indeed was in his mismanagement. Problem with cuckservatives is tolerance and genuine belief in goodness of people. That's why he didn't purge Mozilla like he should have done.
▶ No.937729
>>937726
The problems started right around the tail end of v3/start of v4, this was a long time before gamergate, codes of conduct, and other SJW shit in Silicon Valley. But go ahead, keep sucking corporate cock just because their identity politics align with your. I'm sure Mr. Javascript's next browser will be a treat. Unlike Firefox which has been killing itself for years trying to ape Chrome, his next browser is built directly on Chrome code, so you can tell it's already striving to be high quality.
▶ No.937736>>939612
>>936625 (OP)
>Brave
>the JScript Mozilla jew browser who steals advertisement money
blocking is okay but stealing advertisement space is fucking jewish
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
▶ No.937774
>>937726
This. Sjws will virtue signal unless you oust them before they fuck you in the ass.
▶ No.937811>>937864
>>937618
A retard is what you are, normalizing Tor solves the exact same problem you're describing.
▶ No.937843
>>937618
>not running Tor on multiple platforms 24x7
noob
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▶ No.938586
>collar with a lock on it
>pentagram shirt
▶ No.938852>>939029
>>936625 (OP)
Tor is leaky on brave. Wait until they patch the privacy/security issues. 1.0 should be the release when Brave becomes the best blink/webkit browser.
>>936747
Firefox has more trackers integrated into the browser. Brave will actually be better for out of the box privacy than Firefox. The only thing missing is Firefox's superior browser engine and uBO+uMatrix by default.
▶ No.938928>>939615
>>936627
That is a man, baby
>>936685
No, this is /pol/ fare 101, ARCHIVE EVERYTHING.
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▶ No.939369
>>937618
>XDDDD XD Tor makes cops look at you harder XDDDD XD XD XD XD better view my CP over clearnet it's safer XDD
shut the fuck up retard
▶ No.939370
>>939029
>assuming it isn't leaky
kys
▶ No.939431>>939434
>>939029
They said so themselves. Read.
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▶ No.939579>>939582
>>937568
Originally the brave phone app wouldn't let you copy/paste, which was the most retarded thing ever.
That has changed.
▶ No.939582
>>939579
That sounds stupid.
▶ No.939612
>>937736
>stealing space on my own monitor
from (((whom))), may I ask?
▶ No.939615>>939632 >>939825 >>939977
>>938928
>No, this is /pol/ fare 101, ARCHIVE EVERYTHING.
>not knowing the difference between short links and full links
Short links are a security problem. The full url of http://archive.fo/M53Sx is http://archivecaslytosk.onion/2018.06.29-095256/https://www.cnet.com/news/brave-advances-browser-privacy-with-tor-powered-tabs/
That way you know on which website you should normally see. If you only have "M53Sx" you can't guess the website you should be thus it can be hijacked/changed without anyone knowing.
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▶ No.939639
>>939632
Not my post, but I'd gladly be called a tornigger.
▶ No.939825
>>939615
You fucking autist, original link is right above it, in the OP post.
▶ No.939962>>951548
New update
>Fixed Twitch streams not playing (#14475)
>Fixed IndexedDB not working in web worker (#12463)
>Tor only loads when needed (lazy loading) (#14617)
>Fixed webcompat issues with riot.im (#10685)
>Upgraded to Chromium 67.0.3396.103 (#14618)
▶ No.939977>>940704
>>939615
>worried about URL security
>clicks on an unsecured http:// link that can be redirected
wew
▶ No.940030>>940093
Remember when Tor was good?
▶ No.940093>>940693
>>940030
Yes, like yesterday (literally).
▶ No.940693
>>940093
It's good today too.
▶ No.940704>>940712
>>939977
.onions can't be mitm'd.
▶ No.940712>>943811
>>940704
Tor have many men in the middle
<resisted to attach real faggot train image..
▶ No.943811>>944228
>>940712
You don't belong here. Learn English.
▶ No.944127
Added keyboard shortcut for Tor Private Tab. (#14504)
Fixed potential Tor bypass by file:// URLs. (#14664)
Fixed potential Tor bypass while loading Favicons. (#14641)
Fixed CSS and font resources being shown in blocked scripts list in shields. (#14582)
Fixed bookmark scrolling when populated beyond initial display boundry. (#14606)
Fixed Tor control socket error when network is disconnected. (#14630)
Fixed being able to load bookmarks in Tor Tab before Tor finishes loading. (#14680)
Fixed search icons in URL bar should be a local resource. (#14653)
Fixed right click context menu not working after switching tabs. (#14643)
Optimized startup time by removing UGP promo check at initial startup. (#14616)
Upgraded localization files. (#14580)
Upgraded to Tor 0.3.3.8. (#14695)
Upgraded to muon 7.1.6. (#14719)
▶ No.944228
>>943811
How did you end up being such a fag?
▶ No.944244>>944289
>>936625 (OP)
< using Brave
Ask yourself this simple question: ''How does Brave make money?"
▶ No.944289
>>944244
Their own shitcoin
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▶ No.946672
>>936889
Any kind of noise makes you more difficult to track. If you have to sort through 5,000 or 10,000 things there's a difference.
▶ No.946676>>946695 >>946720
I was going to ask if I should use Opera's VPN or Brave's Tor mode. I think I've found my answer.
This is the built in VPN in Opera. I think we sholdn't trust it.
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>>936685
>being this fucking new
Archive or fuck off.
▶ No.946720>>946821 >>951551
>>946676
So I find out Private internet access has a VPN plug in. One you can install in.... Chrome.
That's like installing a seat belt in a nuclear missle.
Why isn't there just a good goddamn solution to internet privacy? All I want is a browser to do my day to day browsing on that doesn't leave a trail behind it to make a profile on me for marketing while I have an unprivate browser for things which need my real identity behind them (banking, work etc.)
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>>946886
American based
See: privacytools.io
▶ No.946972
>>946823
>more permissions in 1.0
Isn't this a bad thing? Also, did they fix tor leaking?
▶ No.950088>>950100
F-droid release when? Currently the only good browser there is fennec.
▶ No.950100>>950111
>>950088
Just download the APK
▶ No.950109>>950112 >>950138
>>936693
Might switch to Brave, but I like my Vivaldi browser to.
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>>950109
don't switch yet unless you want to test it out. Wait for the 1.0 release (coming very soon). They'll still have some minor issues left to fix but in 2019 it will be the only good Blink/WebKit browser.
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>>950109
Proprietary cuck.
▶ No.950166>>950172
>>950138
What are you talking about?
▶ No.950172>>950347
>>950166
He's talking about the fact that Vivaldi is proprietary. No, it's not open source fully because their installer and package contains additional proprietary components and blobs.
▶ No.950343
>>936651
Yes. How can we service you?
▶ No.950347>>951115 >>951354
>>950172
Vivaldi is zero percent open source. All of the source code and installer and binary blobs of Vivaldi are proprietary software.
▶ No.950383>>950466
Wasn't Mozilla saying they'll do this a while back? What happened to Firefox having tor?
▶ No.950466>>950747
>>950383
Firefox has google tracking in the about:addons page and Mozilla receives several hundred millions each year from Google, guess why they dropped tor integration.
▶ No.950747>>950796 >>950839 >>951116 >>951552
>>950466
>irrelevant points
Brave uses a garbage adblocker/element blocker, defaults to google search and uses a browser engine made by Google. Not to mention that the whole point of brave isn't privacy or security, but reinventing website monetization and ads. With how better gecko is, especially for privacy and security, I wouldn't trust Brave more than Firefox or it's forks either way.
Keep politics outside of open source software. And didn't Google stop donating when chrome came out?
▶ No.950754
ITT fags that think Firefox and it's forks are no good yet it's literally still the best browser. Making a better browser anytime soon is never going to happen. If you don't like it fork it. All other browsers are shit.
▶ No.950796>>951111
>>950747
Are you a fucking idiot? Any ground you try to leave neutral will be colonized by your enemy. There is no neutral in politics there is only mine and not mine.
▶ No.950839>>951111 >>951118
>>950747
>Keep politics outside of open source software.
Mate we're talking about Mozilla, politics are already in (also thank to them) and you're not getting rid of the issue by ignoring it.
Defaulting to google search can be argued as defaulting to the most popular option, having tracking inside local pages and changing the extensions API to make it impossible to stop said tracking is on a whole different level.
▶ No.951111>>951123 >>951173
>>950839
>not getting rid of the issue by ignoring it.
What issue though? They're not affecting my browsing experience in any way.
>>950796
>politics
Nobody cares.
▶ No.951115
>>950347
>2018
>proprietary browser
What planet am I living on?
▶ No.951116
>>950747
Brave has a partnership with DuckDuckGo you stinky nigger.
▶ No.951118
>>950839
This. Mozilla was lost to Zoe Quinn faggots a long time ago.
▶ No.951123>>951131 >>990878
>>951111
>They're not affecting my browsing experience in any way.
You can only install extensions approved by Mozilla, and they can retroactively revoke their approval.
You can only install extensions using the (((new and improved))) API, which means you have a much harder time modifying the browser itself.
You can do little to nothing when Mozilla decides to throw shit like Cliqz at you in an update.
You lose more and more options with each update.
▶ No.951131>>951504
>>951123
You can still modify the source code to Firefox to make it do anything you want.
▶ No.951173>>951405
>>951111
Consider that Brave now has better security options than Firefox does and the main in charge of both projects was fired from Mozilla for his politics. It's not unreasonable to say politics lead to you losing security improvements in firefox. You could speculate that other browsers would have followed suite if a big player like Firefox added better privacy features and it would have had a trickle down influence over the entire tech segment.
but nah, politics doesn't effect you. It only effects the people creating the stuff you use. How long do you think it will be until they start slipping in ways to monitor you in case you're a Nazi?
▶ No.951354>>951407
>>950347
>it's just chrome with a different frontend
>they release the chrome patches
>the frontend is html and js which is publicly available
>even the installer is there
What's missing to be considered "open"?
What does it matter if you can port it to your own platform and make your own changes? What can you NOT do with the current source releases?
▶ No.951405>>951553
>>951173
That's not true at all. If that were the case, I would have switched a long time ago. But for much the same reason I don't use qutebrowser, hype simply isn't enough to justify the reality of their usage.
That's why there are multiple concerted projects for Firefox dedicated solely to augmenting FF's endless security features extended with one simple device--I'm sure you've heard of it--a user.js. I would agree with you that Brave probably has better defaults, but it certainly doesn't have the scope of FF. With Brave, you have to rely on a superstructure where the benevolency and of its compitence of its maintainers is necessary to achieve the end you want, but that's not guaranteed, and there are the conflicting incentives and resource alotment that comes with a big, centralised, multifaceted project. That's a principle shared by Firefox, too, but it mitigates the issue in some (but not all) respects with things like that.
And even if you can find people concerned enough and skilled enough to discern whether the project is upholding your expectations or even corresponing with your expectations or not, there's not really a solution for if things do go South. "Lol it's open-source", is an easy thing to say for a free software project that's being naughty, but open-source doesn't really guarantee libre, in the sense that you don't have the devices, resources, userbase, or expertise to ensure a viable fork of the project. Once again, in FF, there are multiple more niche, specialised projects, so you aren't relying on the benevolency of the one project. And whereas you have to rely on those defaults with Brave, user.js projects like that of Ghacks' mean that FF users don't have to even think about those maintaining those options as they upgrade from version to version, because updating a user.js is as simple as a bash script that fetches the new user.js and appends your whitelist to the bottom of the file.
▶ No.951407
>>951354
It's not free software.
▶ No.951504
>>951131
That is not a realistic solution.
▶ No.951548
>>939962
XDDD I made my Standards Compliant web browser work on this specific website wow what a good robust web browser XD
▶ No.951551
>>946720
>muh vpn
run tor faggot. and if you care about security you need Links, but then you wont be able to view 50% of the web lol
▶ No.951552>>951751
>>950747
This, except all browser engines are crap so there's not really any point in trying to distinguish gecko from whatever the fuck brave uses. Brave is just some dumbass memeware made to solve reddit's "ad problem" and nobody here cares about it aside from /pol/.
▶ No.951553
>>951405
>security features
what the fuck are you even talking about? security isn't a feature, it's something you throw out the window, which firecuck has done about 20 years ago. they literally have a new RCE 0day every week. the same will be said about brave since it's just another piece of shit using a big web browser "engine"
▶ No.951751>>951760
>>951552
What does this have anything to do with /pol/ are you literally just pulling targets from your ass at random? You people that come to this site trying to cause infighting are truly the worst of them all.
▶ No.951760>>951785 >>951786
>>951751
He’s referring to Brendan Eich. To be fair, he was shafted hard by Mozilla just for being a conservative. I don’t see anything wrong with wanting to keep politics out of technology, which is precisely what supporters of Eich want to do. Mozilla SJWs started the politicization of tech, not us.
▶ No.951785>>951795
>>951760
Eich seems to be of legitimate technical merit, and the concepts around Brave seem worth observing at the very least. I'm not surprised him, his team, and their project are under fire from the politically left, as well as angry digital advertisers for sure.
I hope things go well for their project and I hope they push standards forward a little bit. At least give people a potential option, which is still necessary in this time of shitty browser vendors. Shame they are not getting a fair chance at this despite the effort they are putting in to better things for common users, as well as doing some interesting technical things that could be adapted to/in other browsers. Like their to tab isolation, or integration with P2P protocols like IPFS. It's reminding me of when Opera was fresh. Not everyone used Opera, but a lot of other vendors implemented features that originated there. I'd like to see some change in browsers as standards were stagnant but now they're seeming to decay.
>Chrome being gimp out of the gate
>Firefox gimping itself
>Opera being dead
>everything else being unreliable vaporware maintained by literally who
I'm itching to jump ship to anything with potential.
▶ No.951786>>951795
>>951760
>SJWs invented politics in tech
>Not any of the governments who regulated tech up until this point
Soviet russia laughs at you.
▶ No.951795>>951806
>>951785
I like your optimism. I remember the days of Opera being the technical vanguard among the browser community, and only the technically savvy used it. Then it turned to shit and kind of stagnated.
>>951786
What this fuck are you talking about? Get a grip nigger.
▶ No.951806>>951810
>>951795
He's talking about the fact that politics have been intertwined with tech for as long as there has been tech. You newfags think SJWs just showed up one day and ruined everything. You don't realize how long they've really been around. You can't keep politics out of tech discussion just like you can't keep it out of anything else. The gloves are off now, either pick a side to fight for or get shot in the crossfire.
▶ No.951810
>>951806
These people are fence sitters with no experience outside of sitting in the status quo. They don't understand the biggest motivator for any tech is politics. The soviet union and USA invented incredible tech to try and beat each other in a battle of political ideals. Neither wanted to fall behind and be consumed by their rival ideology.
The people whining about SJWs are just whining the status quo they were comfortable in no longer exists. Which is ironic because it doesn't exist thanks to people like them never protecting anything from their politics.
▶ No.951813>>951814 >>951817 >>951871 >>957631
Isn't using Tor just blatantly advertising that you're up to something sus?
▶ No.951814
>>951813
No. Richard Stallman is one of many people who use it for browsing the clearnet because they don’t want the NSA tracking everything they do. At least without a fight.
▶ No.951817
>>951813
Literally ask anyone who hosts an exit node. Literally all of them will say that Tor is primarily used by sandniggers to browse Facebook. Tor as a service is basically a glorified vpn with better (e.i. any at all) security, where you aren't getting fucked over by your government. The people who use Tor maliciously are a minority. I think the stigma for Tor comes from the curious children who use the browser bundle once to get cp because the FBI makes it seem like a precious commodity, realize that hidden services are really slow (and that cp is kind of gross and boring) give up, and never think about it again except to project themselves onto other people.
▶ No.951871
>>951813
The goal of Tor is to have safety in numbers.
▶ No.951872>>957362 >>960553
Is it safe to download CP with this or what?
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▶ No.957636>>960268
>>936625 (OP)
>Built in Adware
>Few extensions
>No custom search engines
>Chrome RipOff
>Dev created PajeetScript
<"Based"
▶ No.960268>>960553
>>957636
>FUD
>FUD
>FUD
>FUD
>FUD
wew
▶ No.960553>>963430
>>951872
Over tor, no. They don't block JavaScript by default in open tor tabs, blink is shit for privacy and thus security so I doubt brave will ever be a viable replacement for Tor browser or Firefox+Tor. It's also a unique fingerprint since majority of Tor users are on Tor Browser and not Brave.
It's safe if you want to hide from your ISP, not safe if you want to browse potentially malicious/honeypot sites, hide from unknown trackers or hide from 3-4 letter agencies who make their own entry/exit nodes.
>>960268
How is no custom search engines FUD? Kill yourself.
▶ No.963430>>963668
>>960553
>no custom search engines
FUD
▶ No.963662>>964657
>>946886
American based and doesn't provide transparency reports or a warning canary
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▶ No.963670>>963738
>>963668
What in tarnation is going on in this thread?
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>>963662
"Transparency reports" are meaningless pap, and warrant canaries are a meme that won't survive legal challenge.
▶ No.964676>>964689 >>964701 >>977383
>>The official Brave 1.0 is due to ship this year, but 2.8 million people already use the browser monthly, Eich said.
What kind of botnet are they using for these statistics?
▶ No.964689>>964745
>>964676
You do realize *any* browser worth a shit is going to at least call in for updates, right?
▶ No.964701>>964745 >>977383
>>964676
Are you retarded? They can monitor the number of downloads from their site and play store. I'm sure that snap store also lets you do something similar, even if it doesn't there's always the number of update requests.
▶ No.964745>>964746 >>964850
>>964689
It's botnet regardless whether if it's calling for updates or pinging for statistics.
>>964701
Eich says monthly. Monthly downloads does not accurately represent monthly users. Unless he is an absolute retard (which he is, he created JavaScript after all.)
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▶ No.964850
>>964745
>Monthly downloads does not accurately represent monthly users
Why wouldn't it? Downloads are mandatory, anyone opening their browser will automatically have brave download the latest update if found. If you open your browser you're doing so with the intention to use it. Thus you're a 1 monthly user. If multiple updates come each month then they can just divide the number of downloads with the number of monthly users to get a rough approximation. Almost everyone is using a browser at least daily so it's likely that 90% of the users are getting every single update.
You don't need to be perfectly accurate when you're making statistics.
▶ No.964874>>964977 >>977381
Daily reminder that (((Brave))) is goodest goy Brendan Eich's salami-slice tactics anti-adblocking apology to his (((masters))), and that the posts promoting it are shills.
Check out the noses on these people: https://brave.com/about/
▶ No.964875>>964977
Full disclosure: I have never used Brave but I don't buy this shit. Having an alternate browser open other than Tor browser introduces vulnerabilities that would not otherwise exist.
Prove me wrong. Please. Please prove me wrong.
▶ No.964977>>965014
>>964875
>Prove me wrong
you're not wrong.
>different engine
>completely different fingerprint than Tor
>ZERO fingerprinting countermeasures
It's not targeted to the regular tor audience. It's just for people who want to use Tor as a simple VPN in a browser faster than Firefox so that their ISP doesn't know what porn sites they visit.
>>964874
I'm not bothered by politics in libre open source software. But they do include a shit adblocker when they could have just integrated uBlock Origin and uBlock protector. Also, the lack of uMatrix makes the browser even worse in privacy/security than other chromium forks.
All this combined makes the browser inefficient at what it's trying to do, blocking ads and malicious scripts. And also makes the browser seem like literal fake news/scamware.
▶ No.965014
>>964977 (checked)
Yes! Exactly. That (((browser))) and its organisation is a plot against effective adblocking and has been from the start.
▶ No.966171
THE REWRITE OF BRAVE, CALLED "BRAVE CORE," IS A STRAIGHTER FORK OF CHROMIUM
http://archive.fo/TQ3pk
<implying it is botnet-free
Try MITMproxy'ing that new version
▶ No.967859>>968115
When is this coming to android?
▶ No.968115>>968204
>>967859
>he does not know
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▶ No.974139>>974140 >>974141
>>974120
Are you retarded?
▶ No.974140>>974160
>>974139
Yes. I’m pretty sure it is already on Android.
▶ No.974141>>974160
>>974139
Regardless, using Orbot allows you to access onion links within Brave. I’ve done it a hundred times.
▶ No.974160>>990263
>>974140
Stop posting if you have no idea what you're talking about. It's not on android.
>>974141
>using Orbot
The whole point is not having to do that.
▶ No.974188>>975435
>>936625 (OP)
Brave is for people who WISH they had asbergers.
▶ No.975430
>>937141
Your implying that firefox is somehow the default here and anything even remotely better than it should be praised. Seamonkey is the /tech/ default browser.
▶ No.975444>>975491 >>975569
I had high hopes for brave but im pretty sure they are not really serious about security and privacy.
Its a fork of chromium and not a good one. You cant even install extensions from chrome webstore like other chromium based browsers. Https everywhere doesnt work, it shows menu bar even if you select it to not show it in the settings, you cant configure your tor connection.
With the money and public image they have i was expecting something radical like new browser from ground up thats not based on chromium, firefox or webkit. But upcoming brave core is just a chromium + brave shield extension and payments. Its better than the current version since its a more straightforward fork of chromium but thats that.
I use brave on mobile until firefox moves from gecko though.
▶ No.975491>>975569
>>975444
Nevermind the brave mobile. I started to use bromite just now and it seems like i will keep using it. It gets patches from brave anyway.
▶ No.975569>>975615
>>975444
You know, it's still in beta. They still have a few things to add before 1.0 release.
https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Roadmap
I don't think it's completely fair to judge it just yet. If it doesn't improve by the beginning of next year then I'll completely abandon it.
>>975491
Does bromite have any plans about getting on fdroid? Brave will apparently try to get compatible after 1.0 release.
▶ No.975575>>977382
Anybody who doesn't use lynx, luakit, vimb, surf, falkon, or plain old wget is a fucking nigger
▶ No.975615
>>975569
I mean you can just install chromium with https everywhere, ublock and other extensions like privacy possum and decentraleyes and it would be a lot secure and private than brave with shield extension. But again its not like security/privacy is their main goal rather than monetizing adblock users.
You can add as a 3rd party repository right now. No idea when it will be added to f-droid.
https://www.bromite.org/fdroid
▶ No.975819>>977379
Christ this shit thread is still alive? Brave is fucking retarded and the people that use it even more so
▶ No.977128
>>936625 (OP)
didnt ice cat used to do this?
▶ No.977377
To ALL the corey and Coralines out there:
Tor is an NSA sandbox. 90+% of its users are gullible millenials that go on default settings (Brave Jew-Tab included). 9-% are sane users that change the encryption and so on. 1% or te remaining ones are CRIMINALS, or NSA RECRUITS (protip they are the same thing) hunting for CP or phishing some teenager for drugs or other illegal means.
The only true use of tor is to use it randomly to add the noise and render NSA efforts more difficult. For proper COMSEC, use phantasy.
▶ No.977379
>>975819 B-BUT B-BRAVE GOTH GURL !!!
▶ No.977381
>>964874 LOL
OK FOR THE PROBLEMATIC EASTERN FAIRY, BUT
Ben Jammin (((Livshits))) IS TOO MUCH: Brave? More like Goyve.
▶ No.977382
>>975575 Based on FOSS and also Free-pilled.
W-what about the browser mode inside Emacs, then?
▶ No.977383>>983786
>>964676
>>964701
Useful reminder that Brave launch was shilled on many (((mainstream))) sites for some weeks.
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▶ No.990263>>990808
>>974160
<It's not on Android.
t. Brainlet
>>990199
>we want the ungoogled-chromium userbase (especially the users of the outdated wangblows versions)!
▶ No.990808>>990864
>>990263
>t. Brainlet
Show me how to open a Tor tab on android Brave then, retard.
▶ No.990864>>990902
>they literally praise the Cuckflare Onion Service
>>990808
>p-please spoonfeed me!
Ask the Brave devs or you better fuck off.
▶ No.990878
>>951123
WebExtensions is very good for security. It’s a good idea to limit what users can customize about the browser. This isn’t your ricing desktop config; it’s real life. People can lose all their money because of shitty insecure browsers.
▶ No.990902>>990909 >>990963
>>990864
So you're just being a complete retard and know that android brave doesn't support this. Ok. Thanks for confirming, autist. Kys.
▶ No.990909>>990955
>>990902
no u. enjoy your botnet anyway.
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