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Does anyone else feel like the internet is begin fractured on purpose? With the recent laws in the EU, the China firewall/botnet, Russia designing their own CPUs and the constant fears of cyber warfare things have been moving in an interesting direction.
This desire for security and fear of spying will eventually result in hardware/software that becomes further incompatible with everything else. Standards become ignored and different between the networks in each nation. All traffic snooped and blocked at the borders where the networks meet. You can stop the spread of information or change it. It gives you time to shape your propaganda at the very least.
I'm concerned about this happening in the next few decades. It'll be a slow march to a major netsplit and once the ball gets rolling who knows how far it may go. I think we may see as many as 8 subnets develop over time.
>Americas
>Europe
>Russia
>India
>Japan
>China
>Koreas
>Australia/southern ocean nations
▶ No.925742
>>925737 (OP)
>hobbyists make a bigger share of the subnet population with so many normalfags filtered out
I see nothing wrong with this. AmericaNet will be the most glorious of them all with First Amendment protections.
▶ No.925746>>925755 >>926086
These aren't new concerns or fears. There will always be open internet in first world countries and restricted internet in third world shitholes. Try not to pay much attention to the media on this.
▶ No.925755>>925759 >>925761
>>925746
>There will always be open internet in first world countries
Until World war breaks out. You'll see a split then. The first thing they'll do is destroy or cut power to anything important.
▶ No.925756
I'd honestly prefer a more fractured internet with the main bridges being by sneakernet.
▶ No.925759
>>925737 (OP)
tbh, it would actually be interesting to see, whether in real life or at least a sci-fi type theory. Here's some thoughts I have on this:
>the recent laws in the EU, the China firewall/botnet, the constant fears of cyber warfare
These sorts of things definitely seem like they could lead to such subnet splits.
>Russia designing their own CPUs
I fail to see how this relates, however. A different CPU architecture means nothing these days in terms of fracturing the planet's networking. When RISC-V becomes more widely seen and used, is that going to all of a sudden make all of the networking protocols not work on it? Of course not, because it's just another architecture for people to compile stuff on.
The question is: how will this split actually look? I imagine there could emerge a black market or some under-the-radar way to smuggle media from one subnet to another, assuming there is no legal way for people in different ones to communicate.
Let's assume that there is though. If there is in fact some legal yet highly limited and regulated way to communicate across the nets, what would that look like?
Going back to CPU architectures and hardware, perhaps a long-term split may even lead to all countries settling on different stuff. Like instead of having everyone using x86 chips from Intel or AMD, and maybe ARM if they have a mobile device, perhaps each subnet will have its own standard. If not an actual standard, then certainly a de-facto one. Entire hardware platforms that could be region-specific.
How deep could we go? would one of them eventually develop a new networking protocol beyond TCP/IP? Could it be that each net would be speaking completely different protocols at some point?
A lot of this hangs on the time frame here. How long would the net be fractured? If it's not for terribly long (the length of a war as >>925755 just suggested), then most of this stuff probably wouldn't happen, or would be at a reduced severity. However, if it ends up that such a split persists for, say, a decade or more, things start looking more probable.
This is actually getting kinda exciting, even as just an autistic theory. Shit, you could even make some kinda roleplaying scenario based on this
▶ No.925761>>925806 >>926136
>>925755
It would be a nuisance, but that alone wouldn't cut off communications with other countries. People in free and open countries want to remain free and open so they will work to restore whatever connections are taken down. War wouldn't stop that.
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▶ No.925763
Don't worry in the NWO everyone will share their internet connection
▶ No.925774
>>925737 (OP)
>Does anyone else feel like the internet is begin fractured on purpose? With the recent laws in the EU, the China firewall/botnet, Russia designing their own CPUs and the constant fears of cyber warfare things have been moving in an interesting direction.
I feel like you're just spouting a soup of words and phrases you absorbed from being here for 2 days at most to sound smart
▶ No.925798>>925805
>internet is becoming fractured
Good. Now get the fuck out.
▶ No.925805
>>925798
If they do as you say, this place will become like 7chan.
*crickets*
▶ No.925806>>925907
>>925761
>People in free [...] countries
Name one with more than a million people.
▶ No.925817
It was inevitable. As soon as the elites realized the internet is a problem for them they started cracking down on it.
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▶ No.926019>>926118
>>925907
>Implying you can say anything you want in America
▶ No.926077>>926271
>>925737 (OP)
>there will never be a Galnet between various Island Three Space Colonies in Sol
>ywn post ebin soyboy menes safe from (((their))) clutches while enjoying the view from your space onion farm
>ywn reinstate the Kingdom of Prussia in Space
>ywn discover a means of viable FTL travel
>ywn spread germanic values of order, discipline and aesthetic across the galaxy while earth degenerates into an African cyberpunk dystopia
▶ No.926079
>>925907
t. brainwashed patriot
▶ No.926086>>926200
>>925746
You're blind.
The openess of our internet is only apparent.
It's just two different methods: the first use direct force. It's the dumb method, not very stable.
The second method, used in the west (europe/USA), is the indirect manipulation, using filter bubble, astroturfing etc.. It's actually far worste.
That's like in the cold war era: every knew in the east that "The pradva" was lying. But the situation in the west was actually worste, because nobody seem to understand that what was in the New York Times or in the Washington Post was actually quite the same propaganda, but with readers thinking that it's mostly free and real.
That's why the bruteforce method is bad, and that's why the communist system fell down. Manipulation is superior to direct oppression.
Moreover, in the west, where there is a high concentration of high level creative jobs, intellectuals etc.. You can't threaten people with violence and direct oppression. You have to be more subtil (and it's because of the nature of these people. In a high tech companies, you'll never see more work = more money. That's for little jobs, not implying anything intellectual). The goal is to show a society that is externally open, free, while moving the repression in your head. This repression have a lot to do with social exclusion.
I have to say that I'm very afraid of filter bubble, or having data retrieve from internet automatically modified on the fly. You can't even believe videos anymore, but how can you trust webpages either?
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▶ No.926136>>926177
>>925761
>People in free and open countries
define "free"
▶ No.926177>>926182
>>926136
Free as in speech. We are able to freely converse without having to worry about government arresting us for wrongthink.
▶ No.926179>>926180
Honestly, I can't wait. Maybe people online will rediscover that old "can do, will do, also fuck you" attitude they used to have.
▶ No.926180>>926186 >>926250
>>926179
the fuck you taking about? after the Internet is carved up, the governments will enact harsh licensing fees to keep wrongthink down.
▶ No.926181>>926183 >>926263
>>925737 (OP)
>amerimutt containment network
I want to believe
▶ No.926182>>926209
>>926177
So, were is this Utopia ?
▶ No.926183
>>926181
what are you, a chinaman or dumbass leaf?
▶ No.926186>>926189 >>926190 >>926264 >>926266
>>926180
See? This is the kind of attitude we never used to have. If people were worried about things like that in the early days we wouldn't even have BBS. "B-b-b-but what if we're not allowed to put data down the phone line without approval?"
We will think of something, and we will flip the finger as we do it. Get some balls and some attitude. Even if we have to resort to sending plaintext around as a .WAV file like data on a cassette we'll do THAT if we have to.
▶ No.926188
Good, fuck euro-fags, they've been making the internet worse for years by pushing their retarded notion of the government granting you rights instead of the glorious murican idea of the government can't take shit away from you. The sooner europe install an iron curtain on their part of the internet the better
▶ No.926189
>>926186
Acoustic coupler modems exist because phone companies got pissy about third-party equipment on their phone lines didn't they?
▶ No.926190>>926192 >>926250
>>926186
>thread is about Internet being carved up and denying access to users
<posts sneaker net methods
Heh. You will buy liecenses, you will stick within the license conditions, and you will do all of this just like how you signed up for a youtube account, or facebook, or driver's license, or pay taxes.
▶ No.926192>>926197 >>926264
>>926190
Then we'll have to find a way around it, wont we? Even if it takes weeks to spread things around, we'll do it. Banned Samizdat used to spread everywhere with amazing speed. An unapproved newspaper was found in the Middle East only 5 days after it left the typewriter in Moscow.
▶ No.926197>>926250 >>926283
>>926192
that's going to be difficult getting off the ground unless you know a bunch of people personally whom you can trust
▶ No.926200>>926201 >>926203 >>926351
>>926086
i was listening to a podcast today and the host mentioned sam hyde being "banned from the internet".
i thought it was interesting that that phrase nowadays doesn't mean he was literally barred from using a computer or accessing the world wide web, it means a handful of massive companies booted him from their platforms. there really truly is no open internet anymore, it's all behind a bunch of gatekeepers that can vanish you the second you step out of line.
▶ No.926201>>926203 >>926204 >>926351
>>926200
Isn't that how all websites work? What's stopping Sam Hyde from starting his own website?
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▶ No.926204>>926213 >>926283
>>926201
i mean it's troubling that the internet is basically all consolidated into the hands of a few companies. i'm sure he has his own website - i don't know, i don't follow the guy - but in the eyes of most people you don't exist if you can't/don't have a facebook, twitter, youtube account.
actually, with the whole bit with gab where the .ai domain registrar was pressured to seize their domain, that's worrying too.
▶ No.926209>>926220 >>926312
>>926182
I haven't been arrested in the US yet. I'm reasonably sure Canada protects free speech. I'm not 100% sure about Australia. Europe, who knows anymore?
▶ No.926213>>926273
>>926204
are you joking? there were plenty of cases to look at to know this is where it would be: yahoo dominated the late 90's, early 00's, google bought up a bunch of companies in mid 00's and took the reins. shoot, look at BBS's, forums, or any image board and look at how mods and admins get drunk on power and ban anyone who they don't like.
▶ No.926220>>926221 >>926232 >>926233
>>926209
if for example :
i go to USA or Canada and Tell "Burn the jew" i will be throw into jail because of "hate speech" thus you can't have "freedom"of speech, you will never be free, you concept of "Free" is irrelative, if you are Free you must have the freedom to steal & to murder ?
You are prisioner of your own morality and material condition you can't be free.
You are but a subject of cultural hegemony.
So stop claiming retard concept as Freedom or indivuality.
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>>926220
USA doesn't have hate speech laws
▶ No.926232>>926246
>>926220
>You are prisioner of your own morality and material condition
That is some interesting 14 year old existentialism coming from a 14 year old point of view. What other wisdom nuggets do you have for me?
▶ No.926233>>926239 >>926241
>>926220
protip: inciting for violence like that isn't considered free speech by any country. Saying, "I hate jews and you should as well" isn't the same as "we should literally incinerate the jews".
▶ No.926236>>926246
>>926227
that's an even better explanation. you really get your point across. you really hit the nail on the head. you really got it.
▶ No.926239>>926240
>>926233
>Don't mess with football
▶ No.926240>>926251
>>926239
Who are you quoting?
▶ No.926241>>926247
>>926233
It depends on how credible the threat is. I'd wager the secret service is probably tired of following up on every person who said they were going to kill Trump. It doesn't much sense unless the person is in DC with a loaded gun.
▶ No.926246
>>926232
wait until i do a minecraft let's play and put linkind park the 3min long intro just to wake you up.
>What other wisdom nuggets do you have for me?
Gay don't exist thus trap are not gay.
>>926236
Glad i helped you mate :^)
▶ No.926247>>926254 >>926265 >>926267 >>926313
>>926241
If I'm yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre, how credible does it have to be to be considered free speech?
▶ No.926250>>926260 >>926264
>>926180
>>926190
>>926197
> Arguing something that is hypothetical
▶ No.926251
>>926240
That literally is a quote you fucking newfag.
▶ No.926254
>>926247
You're endangering people. You can yell fire outside of the theater, for instance.
▶ No.926260>>926293
>>926250
not really hypothetical at this point when europe is being voluntarily cut off from other global sites because companies don't want to foot the bill for managing gdpr compliance.
▶ No.926263
>>926181
This. Realistically everything will become even more monopolized though and avoiding the burger megacorps will get even harder as they destroy/buy any possible competitor.
▶ No.926264>>926293
>>926186
>>926192
>>926250
>It's just a hypothetical! We will find a way around THE LITERAL BIG BROTHER! Just you wait!
Tch, what a baby. Let's get out of here, guys, maybe we can make another thread where we can discuss actual, realistic views of the future, such as the looming cloud-only dystopia in 5 years.
▶ No.926265>>926276
>>926247
They'll tell you to shut up since they have fire alarms.
▶ No.926266>>926284 >>926293
>>926186
>this pointless overoptimism
If you look at statistics and numbers and research events over the years you'd realize that we already lost and that this is impossible now. Unironically give up goyim.
▶ No.926267>>926280
>>926247
Man, if it were me on that Supreme Court, I would say it's up to the States to decide that.
▶ No.926271
>>926077
ywn is a dead meme bucko. We will. Bank on it.
▶ No.926273>>926275
>>926213
it was never this pervasive. search engines always existed but google is the front-end to all of human knowledge for a ton of people, and they filter bubble and outright filter it for everyone.
you bring up bbs's, the forums of yesteryear. lots of them, local and a manageable amount of content so that you can drink right from the firehose. now people would rather use facebook groups and forums are dying, and all of them, local or not, are subject to facebook's rule from up on high. it's a step above mods drunk on power on social networks because when twitter does it it's about being clandestine, and at that scale it can warp public perception.
▶ No.926275>>926281
>>926273
it's the same human condition of power corrupts. humans being social animals congress naturally in large groups, which is not absent in the current cyberscape. as people coalesce on platforms to interact with their friends and find new interests whatever, the people running those platforms will become corrupt because of the enormous power they now wield. this is nothing new. go back to the titans of industry in the 19th century. it's the exact same thing happening now as it was then. nothing different.
▶ No.926276>>926311 >>926339
>>926265
If fire alarms indicate the presence of fire and no fire alarms indicate the absence of fire, then fire alarms are the cause of fire.
▶ No.926279>>926285 >>926362
Is it a nonfractured internet if you one half of it can't read the language of the other?
You have many cliques, and the biggest one is the english one. It's also the most open, anyone can post because of how ubiquitous english is.
But tell me the last time you posted on 2ch.hk.
The problem is that a possible physical fracture won't feel like much because we're already in our cliques. I wish it was fractured more and more until you had smaller networks and an important amount of sneakernet. In this case bigger isn't better, as it dillutes a lot of the uniqueness
▶ No.926280>>926288
>>926267
Apparently it falls under a "clear and present danger" ruling dating back to WWI when a guy printed off fliers telling people to resist conscription.
▶ No.926281>>926286 >>926288
>>926275
you're right, greed is part of the human condition, nothing can be done about that. all the same, i see google demonetizing creators on youtube, facebook filtering out posts, twitter sorting "bad" replies down the list, and it's hard to not feel that something went wrong somewhere. i'm not that old, but when i was growing up the internet felt less controlled. like it had so much more potential than what we have now, huge bloated webpages that all look the same, ironic fads that sweep through and leave you dizzy from the fumes, discourse that's treated like wrongthink.
sorry, that went sideways on me.
▶ No.926283>>926288
>>926197
people do that all the time
first you don't trust, but then you can trust them. Ezpz.
>>926204
man it'll take some time until fucking PR people realize that faggots at the west coast aren't the totality of the world
the problem is that those faggots are oversocialized and PR fags overregulate human behavior. Read Kaczynski for more answers.
▶ No.926284
>>926266
>just give up
Sounds like something a shill would say. We haven't lost yet and even if we do we can always burn it with fire. All it takes is for one anon in the right place to say fuck it and sabotage something for the entire network to go down. People take for granted how easy it would be to take down something like the power grid. It only runs on trust. I'm not even important and I've had several chances to blackout the east coast if I so desired.
They only win for as long as we aren't actively fighting them. I'm not ready to give up just yet nor am I willing to live in a land where pic related is considered "harmful to the general public".
▶ No.926285>>926311
>>926279
This is by choice. It's completely different than preventing your country from conversing with the outside world unless they have enough god boy points.
▶ No.926286>>926298
>>926281
The Internet was not less controlled in the past and is not more controlled today. All that happened is that commerical websites (based on mass advertising-tracking) became super popular. I'd like to know examples of ironic fads that exist on the Internet that isn't 4chan and 4chan style anti-establishment attitude.
▶ No.926288>>926291 >>926311
>>926280
You mean that communist who was printing and distributing propaganda and was arrested and charged with crimes under the Espionage Act?
>>926281
Yeah. The Internet was a wild west sort of world during the 90's. People were using it for all kinds of protocols and purposes, but now it's mostly e-mail and web. I think the High Performance Computing Act that dissolved the NSFNet into the commercial Internet we know and """"""love"""""" today was the beginning of the downfall. I would've liked to have experienced the NSFNet before things went downhill.
>>926283
>First you don't trust, then you do trust.
It's so easy, an imbecile could do it. Really, how are you going to find people who want to access information for the sole reason of accessing information? That's the hard part. After that is when you check the waters if you can trust them or not.
▶ No.926291>>926294
>>926288
>You mean that communist who was printing and distributing propaganda and was arrested and charged with crimes under the Espionage Act?
Yep. Apparently this is what set the precedent.
▶ No.926293>>926294
>>926260
There is a difference between a regulation and a license.
>>926264
>>926266
Nice Freudian slip there.
▶ No.926294>>926295 >>926300
>>926291
Right on.
>>926293
>difference between regulation and license
That's what I am saying. You will have to have a license to access certain parts of the Internet. Like if you want to look at porn or something, you will have to have a license. Not from your ISP, from the government itself.
▶ No.926295>>926297 >>926299
>>926294
That has been tried in South Korea and failed.
▶ No.926297>>926300
>>926295
What has been tried?
▶ No.926298>>926299 >>926302 >>926319
>>926286
>I'd like to know examples of ironic fads that exist on the Internet that isn't 4chan and 4chan style
http://halflife2.zoy.org/
▶ No.926299
>>926295
Hopefully it fails in the UK as well. However, given the government there is dragging it's heels over exiting the EU despite the majority voting in favor- I don't have much hope in the ability of the UK government to do something sane.
>>926298
>mibbit
what the hell is this?
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▶ No.926305
>>926300
You didn't specify anything. What has been tried in South Korea?
▶ No.926311
>>926276
Therefore, people who trigger fire alarms are arsonists, so they should go in jail.
>>926285
My point is that it'll feel like nothing changed because it's all fucked
>>926288
You first start clicking with them, you make an underground collective n shit
▶ No.926312
>>926209
> I'm reasonably sure Canada protects free speech
Wrong. We have, legally, no real protection at all. From the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms Privileges and Permissions:
>Section 33. (1) Parliament or the legislature of a province may expressly declare in an Act of Parliament or of the legislature, as the case may be, that the Act or a provision thereof shall operate notwithstanding a provision included in section 2 or sections 7 to 15.
Section 2 is:
>Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
> (a) freedom of conscience and religion;
> (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
> (c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
> (d) freedom of association.
In other words, it is built into our Constitution that the government can abolish free speech whenever they want.
The other fake rights are too numerous for a single post, but as an example of other things the government can arbitrarily deprive you of:
>Section 7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.
Note that this already allows for exceptions "in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice", so Section 33's applicability to this section explicitly grants the government permission to pass unjust laws.
▶ No.926313>>926314 >>926322 >>926358
>>926247
<yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre
Please stop promoting the myth about it being illegal to yell "fire" in a theater. People keep reciting this without even checking if its true. It's such an annoying example to here because it's not even true, yet people still think it is because people unaware of the fact promote it as truth.
▶ No.926314
>>926313
It's one of the first pieces of propaganda they teach you in early school. They teach you this before they even teach you about the Bill of Rights.
▶ No.926319>>926321 >>926324
>>926298
>>926302
seriously, don't click that fucking link it will fuck your shit up fam
▶ No.926321>>926324 >>926345
>>926319
Did it even work? You must be using an old web browser.
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▶ No.926324>>926327 >>926347
>>926319
>>926321
what is it? one of those old shock sites that run a bunch of popups?
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▶ No.926329>>926337
>>926327
is it 2003 again?
▶ No.926337
>>926329
I wish it was anon
>Hanging out on sane IM applications with your bros
>Social media isn't a thing
>Flip phones instead of botnet bricks full of apps
>forums are actually a useful source of inforrmation
>Desktops still have floppy drives
>PC gaming without the normalfags
>No twitch streamers spreading their cancer everywhere
>Neo-Nazis, Tankies, feminists, and other associated cancer feels like it's taking place in some far off land
>Bush in the white house supplying endless lulz
>/comfy/ couch co-op games with your friends still a normal part of every day life
>Gothfags and Emofags hadn't become Hipsterfags yet
>Normalfags hadn't started sharing all their personal information on the internet yet
>China's great firewall mocked by everyone instead of being looked upon as a template for how the internet should work in the rest of the world
>Good flash games
>Fansub and game translation groups actually putting out good translations instead of pozzing them up with faggot shit or ripping their translation directly from SJWs working for major media companies
>Good research chemicals for sale on the clearnet instead of Chinese poison
>Can actually make friends online with common interests
>Can actually contribute to projects without following a retarded CoC or getting banned for something you said 20 years ago while drunk
I'm going to stop now. It's too depressing to think about this.
▶ No.926339
>>926276
Logic for monkeys.
▶ No.926345
>>926321
fairly recent firefox (or rather waterfox, which says is on version 56.2.0)
▶ No.926347>>926350
>>926324
For me what it did (after showing me images of a diseased axe wound) was open up my email client and opened up several new drafts of messages supposedly addressed to the Gay Nigger Association of America, while also popping up several of "what do you want to open this thing with?" messages, with the suggestion being mibbit for some reason.
I have no idea what it would have done if I let it keep going. I hard shutdown and ran a full virus scan just in case it was gonna do something actually malicious.
▶ No.926350>>926352
>>926347
>hard shutdown and ran antivirus
That sucks. I doubt it did anything though beyond what you described. IIRC it used javascript new window requests to open urls with different protocols and links. Like for email it obviously opened a link to something like "mailto:address@host.com?subject=something". I don't know what the mibbit would've been, maybe IRC or telnet or something.
▶ No.926351>>926796
>>926200
>>926201
Well there is >>>/ipfs/ so fuck the FAG (Facebook, Amazon, Google)
▶ No.926352>>926356 >>926371
>>926350
My worst fear here is honestly that it might have sent shit out to contacts or something (there'd be a lot of explaining to do). I don't think it did though. I probably would have that in my sent mail if it did.
▶ No.926356
>>926352
It would've been in your sent mail folder if anything happened. That thing is so old.
▶ No.926358>>926361 >>926371
>>926313
Who said anything about legality? The *fire in a theatre* bit is about free speech. It's not considered free speech to be yelling out *fire* irresponsibly.
▶ No.926361
>>926358
It is.
That doesn't mean your words can't be used as evidence of intent to commit a crime though.
▶ No.926362
>>926279
>posting on russian facebook for "anonymous" discussions
>ever
shiggy diggy
▶ No.926371
>>926352
It wouldn't if you didn't click send. All the site does is opens a bunch of links, opens some graphic pictures, and loads a flash file. Half the stuff has been erased from the internet though.
>>926358
>It's not considered free speech
Wrong. It's considered free speech, but people might not like you for doing that.
▶ No.926796
>>926351
>he still pushes the Impotent Penile Faggotry Shed meme despite the fact that it will never be adopted by anyone who matters