[–]▶ No.925381>>925384 >>925588 >>925611 >>926097 >>941770 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]
>just switched from FX 4300 to Ryzen 3 1300X
holy fucking hell, Ryzen is in another dimension of speed compared to FX. I honestly have a hard on rn. The speed of this thing is fucking insane. How could anyone not like this processor?
▶ No.925384>>925385 >>925387 >>925660 >>926205 >>947028
>>925381 (OP)
>How could anyone not like this processor?
I prefer to keep using my FX 8320, rather than getting fugged by PSP.
▶ No.925385>>925387 >>925393 >>925591
>>925384
>get fucked by the PSP
Come back when you aren't getting fucked by the SMM or undisclosed NSA backdoors, faggot.
@topic: if I didn't need a new laptop this year I would have built a 2700X system.
▶ No.925386>>925394 >>925493
I guess my question is.....how can the Ryzen be so much faster? I mean this is like a gigantic difference kn speed. How does that happen?
▶ No.925387>>925414
>>925384
>>925385
assuming AMD for example is "hoarding information" on us through Ryzen, basically spying on all our lives. What's the point? What do they get out of it besides voyeurism?
▶ No.925393
>>925385
>oy, goyim, just surrender already
I don't know what SMM stands for, but regardless, if I know about PSP and IME, I should at the very least avoid them.
I can't do anything about the unknown.
▶ No.925394>>925431
>>925386
This is what happens when your previous iteration was so mindbogglingly horrible that you could only go up from there.
▶ No.925410
>>925396
More like Fraser tbh
▶ No.925414>>925418
>>925387
If they know everything about you they can also control you and fuck you over.
Simple example you are a cheap fuck always shopping x y items on sale
*pouff you will never get those sale offers in your feed because you are not profitable enough for them. see how easy it is to flip "a feature" to a boot stomping in your face ?
▶ No.925418>>925423
>>925414
Ok, but planned obsolescence is going to push out the old tech eventually. FX processors for example are buggy by today's software standards. Eventually we will be forced to use the FEDZOG tech.
▶ No.925423>>925428
>>925418
>FX processors for example are buggy by today's software standards.
Which bugs did you encounter? Do you have example code to reproduce?
▶ No.925428
>>925423
No, I meant boggy
▶ No.925493>>925509 >>925511 >>925588
>>925386
It's a combination between AMD betting heavily on multi-thread being the future with FX. They bet so heavily on multi-thread going into the future, that they gladly made CPU design choices that hurt single thread performance because it meant better multi-thread performance.
Meanwhile, Intel kept just evolving the same CPU for 11 years, not even really giving people any more cores, and just doing the bare minimum to get people to upgrade.
The whole thing is a perfect storm of AMD coming back from a mediocre product while their competition is completely content and has given up because they think they've won and they can't lose.
Not to mention this is Jim Keller's baby and he's one of the best CPU architects in the business. Intel 8 core is a much larger die than AMD 8 core, there's some seriously well thought out design in Ryzen, and it lets AMD massively undercut Intel's prices while consuming less power and clobbering Intel at the same price point in multi thread while being pretty close in single thread.
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▶ No.925548>>925583 >>944795
who is this god forsaken GRIDS patient?
▶ No.925552
>tfw you spend $200 on an Intel CPU and then Ryzen comes out with a processor that has very similar performance for half the price.
My next gaming PC is going to be Ryzen. Fuck Intel.
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>>925396
Better than FX at least.
▶ No.925588>>941516
>>925381 (OP)
Nigger, you should have gone for the 2xxx series processors - they apparently do the auto-overclocking way fucking better and you can do single-core OC for single core apps for g-d's sake. Ryzenmaster apparently also shows you the factory-stamped (but not locked) max clock speeds for each core to give you an idea of what to expect on each one. It's more granular control over a CPU than I've ever heard of before, yet every detailed review talks about not needing any of that shit because the auto clock-boost that happens is so legit and will even go above the factory-stamped clock speeds on its own if the cooling is available for it. I have a 1600x and can't justify the upgrade right now without someone like a friend or relative to sell it to to upgrade, but damn.
>>925396
You'll get there, anon!
>>925493
This.
▶ No.925591>>925616
>>925385
I'm not. Eat shit, homo.
t. Talos II
▶ No.925611>>942741
>>925381 (OP)
>didn't buy 2200G instead
▶ No.925616>>927303 >>942654 >>942707
>>925591
>(((Talos II)))
Have fun with your """"open source"""" hardware, faggot. Come back when schematics and all that are actually available and not behind NDAs and paywalls.
▶ No.925660>>926126
>>925384
psp is unable to connect to the wifi unlike ME dumbfuck
▶ No.925662>>925664 >>925740
>this newer cpu is faster than an older cpu
wtf
▶ No.925664
>>925662
Ryzen being a big leap over FX is a big deal when you look at Intel releasing the same core count CPUs with 5% performance per clock increases for 10 years. I know 5% adds up over 10 years, but when was the last time Intel released a CPU that blew everyone away? It was original Core series.
▶ No.925740>>925747
>>925662
it's not just "faster," I'm telling you, there is a massive, overwhelming difference in performance. Intel is just "faster."
▶ No.925747
>>925740
>t's not just "faster," I'm telling you, there is a massive, overwhelming difference in performance. Intel is just "faster."
Right, because the architecture was completely rewritten from the ground up by a competent forward-thinking team who nailed their task of meeting the computing needs of the world today. Intel is just "faster" because their development is fucking stagnant, and those kikes jewed themselves out of their lead.
Not to say Ryzen isn't great, because it damn well is.
▶ No.926097
>>925381 (OP)
wait till you work enough hours at mcdonalds to get a ryzen 7
▶ No.926126>>943324
>>925660
>can write to memory
>cant do X
lmao
▶ No.926131>>926146
I bought the 2700 thinking it would work for gaming, but the latency is way too high for anything but non-realtime tasks.
▶ No.926146>>926366
>>926131
Really? I get solid performance, though I have the 2700x. I do have CL 14 RAM, though, so that might play into it.
▶ No.926205>>926216 >>926643 >>941831 >>942161
>>925384
Reminder AMD is running up the white flag on PSP for Ryzen, thanks to relentless kvetching by Our Greatest Allies at CTS Labs:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-PSP-Disable-Option
▶ No.926216
>>926205
I bet it'll be just as real as the 'deactivation' option for Intel Aviv's ME...
▶ No.926366>>926524 >>926584 >>926665 >>926805 >>926871 >>927272 >>927564 >>941968
>>926146
I can feel it in my mouse, and my DPC latency measurements back it up. None of my drivers are problematic.
My old i5-3330 had one-third the DPC latency compared to this system. The FPS is fine, it's the input lag that bothers me. If you want better FPS on Ryzen, set the affinity of the program to one CCX (odd or even are the CCXs).
Scheduling is another reason why Intel has lower latency, the scheduler has no fucking clue Ryzen is actually two separate processors and should be treated as such. Since the cache is shared between the CCXs, applications wait on a core to finish the thread because of memory latency. For pure gaming performance, Intel really is better. At least for low input lag gaming. Ryzen is great, just not for gaming.
▶ No.926524>>926636
>>926366
Huh. Well, that sucks. I'm really happy with mine. I haven't had any input lag problems or anything, honestly. Feels snappy and smooth. My games are really enjoyable. DOOM, for example, is buttery smooth and fast. Older games are too, and Fallout 4 (horribly unoptimized) seems to run without issue. Honestly I can't think of a game where I felt like the input was laggy, or it wasn't choppy.
▶ No.926567
>>925396
I'm on a Sandy Bridge from the same era. Locked to 2.8GHz, shitposts well enough. At least it's octacore.
▶ No.926584>>926636
>>926366
I think you're lying.
▶ No.926636>>926643 >>926648 >>927265
>>926524
Mine's running at 4GHz on the stock cooler, so it definitely is a great overclocker. I could push it to 4.1 if I could access my BIOS (I didn't know ultra fast boot prevented the splash screen from displaying, too lazy to reset BIOS).
>>926584
I really wish I were lying, only an autist like me would be able to tell the difference.
▶ No.926643>>926648
>>926205
Yeah just like you can disable windows' spying with a few registry tweaks lol
>>926636
How do I get those results on my freedom-aware OS?
▶ No.926648>>927370
>>926636
>>926643
My DPC latency on my i5-3330, I instantly feel the difference even on a 60Hz monitor, it's so fucking responsive, this is honestly a golden hardware sample
I'm not sure how interrupt latency optimization works on ganoonix.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36964141/interrupt-latency-in-linux
▶ No.926665
>>926366
>Scheduling is another reason why Intel has lower latency, the scheduler has no fucking clue Ryzen is actually two separate processors and should be treated as such.
Windows plebeian troubles.
▶ No.926805>>941967
>>926366
You use Windows, I think. I don't get this problem on Linux.
▶ No.926826
Maybe in 1-2 years I'll get a Ryzen. My rig can still run fine but it's some 3-4 years old already.
▶ No.926835
Upgraded from a 1090t to a 2700x. Big difference.
▶ No.926871
>>926366
Try harder shlomo
▶ No.927265
>>926636
I don't think it's a problem on Linux.
▶ No.927272>>927317
>>926366
lmfao. You have at least 100ms lag between your mouse moving and the screen changing. Whenever Intel gets their ass kicked, there's always some sort of illusive phantom that makes Intel "better", but no one can prove it.
Context switching on old, 10 year old CPUs with slow DDR2 only take a ms or so. The latency between USB, graphics, PCIe, video output, monitor circuitry, monitor panel, etc dwarfs the latency you'd ever feel on a CPU, even if it's thrashing between in die cache and slow system memory.
You're just making shit up and you don't even understand what happens to a computer when you move your mouse.
▶ No.927303>>927394
>>925616
>hurr if I put parenthesis people will think I'm BASED
Kill youself, Intelkike.
>Come back when schematics and all that are actually available and not behind NDAs and paywalls
Ok, here you go.
https://wiki.raptorcs.com/w/images/e/e3/T2P9D01_users_guide_version_1_0.pdf
▶ No.927317>>927319 >>941969
>>927272
Agreed that bus-level latency would be almost imperceptible as input lag, rather than just slower overall performance due to scheduler clash, but in principle
>dwarfs the latency you'd ever feel on a CPU
You must remember that end-to-end latency is cumulative, every millisecond of lag in a man-machine system stacks, starting on top of the already bad ~200ms for human hand-eye response.
▶ No.927319
>>927317
And my point was that even if all these things add up to it, even if Ryzen had a 50% higher context switching penalty (1.5ms instead of 1ms), it's going to be nothing compared to the rest of the system.
>hundreds of ms between your reaction time and the input between your computer
>yeah but like I'm totally using a Ryzen right now and it just like totally feels like it's got more latency I can just like feel it in my mouse man it has to be the CPU that 1ms can really make a difference in the grand scheme of things it all adds up!
>that extra .25% of latency I'm baselessly claiming Ryzen is adding to my total system is really causing all my problems!
▶ No.927370
>>926648
>he can see in microseconds
Come on, Batman
▶ No.927394>>942160
>>927303
>links me to some user manual
Nice proof of Talos not being backdoored, fucknut.
▶ No.927564
>>926366
Jewtel shill talking out his ass.
▶ No.929355>>929357 >>929358 >>941667
I disabled a CCX and as I suspected, my DPC and interrupt to process latencies went down. Ryzen's architecture coupled with the Windows scheduler are not conducive to soft-realtime applications.
▶ No.929357>>929359 >>941882
>>929355
>I can feel it in my mouse
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>>929355
So I guess I have a 4 core CPU now.
▶ No.929359>>929361
>>929357
Thousands of interrupts happen a second, and eventually microseconds add up to milliseconds.
▶ No.929361>>929362
>>929359
I'm more inclined to believe you put it together or configured it wrong. You're running Windows on bare hardware so you're already off to a bad start.
Speaking of AMD, does anyone here have experience with the EPYC line of processors? How similar are they to Ryzen? Are they botnet too? I want to build a dual-socket monster workstation.
▶ No.929362>>941667
>>929361
>disable CCX
>latency goes down
Is it really that hard to believe?
▶ No.941508
bought a 1600x and i couldnt be happier. idec if they can see my pc activities. give me more speed amd(addy)
▶ No.941516>>941730
>>925588
>tfw everyone always talks about overclocking ryzen
>no one talks about underclocking/undervolting it
I can get pretty autistic about power consumption/efficiency. Eagerly awaiting 7nm ryzens.
▶ No.941667
>>929362
>>929355
What program do you use to measure this?
▶ No.941730
>>941516
Why bother? Just leave it at stock voltage and clock, it's already an ice cold power sipper.
▶ No.941770>>941784 >>941800
>>925381 (OP)
You went from 2010 to 2018, how is the improvement in speed shocking?
▶ No.941784
>>941770
Because it was AMD.
▶ No.941800
>>941770
It's from mid-2012 to mid-2017 you dumb jew.
▶ No.941831
>>926205
>tfw about to upgrade from an i5 to 2nd gen Ryzen
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▶ No.941882
>>929357
>>I can feel it in my mouse
That's what she said.
▶ No.941967>>942039
>>926805
Good luck playing games on GNU/Linux.
▶ No.941968
>>926366
>the scheduler has no fucking clue Ryzen is actually two separate processors and should be treated as such
1) for real? any proofs?
2) what about letting the game use just one of them? (and forcing everything else to go do the other processor)
▶ No.941969
>>927317
>, starting on top of the already bad ~200ms for human hand-eye response
>2018
>being a human
Should have transformed to a secret reptile, just like rapha, DaHang, strenx, toxjc, …
▶ No.941972>>942260
>>925396
Im still on Athlon64 x2
▶ No.942042>>942124 >>944796
>>942039
Games from pre-2000x work on your machine? Good.
▶ No.942124
>>942042
>pre-2000X
I wouldn't call it that good, we're not even close to 20000 yet.
▶ No.942160
>>927394
Ability to read is not a common trait of your breed, huh Jew?
▶ No.942161
>>926205
>believing a little bios setting disables anything
Would you trust a kike with your life? I don't believe it until they provide source code. Until then AMD can fuck off with their Pajeet CEO.
▶ No.942260
>>925396
1055t is perfectly fine for most things right now.
>>941972
This is fine too.
▶ No.942283>>942289
>>925396
>tfw went from an AMD X4 Phenom to a Ryzen 5 1600
Good lord things have changed
▶ No.942289
>>942283
<when you should have gone to a POWER9
▶ No.942411
/tech/ I need help pls. I built a new computer and it won't boot, all the fans turn on (including the CPU cooler and the graphics card card fans) and I can turn it on and off with the button on the case. None of the Boot/CPU/RAM/VGA debug LEDs light up, but the LED trim on the other side of the motherboard does. I'm pretty sure everything's plugged in right. Here's my parts list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/D82gP3
Maybe I need to get AMD to lend me one of those processors to update the bios to make it compatible with the 2600x?
▶ No.942417>>942421
I want to do GPUPassthrough with a Ryzen 2700X however I am not sure how the multi-core performance on games are compared to if you were to use an Intel CPU for passthrough, anybody currently run this kind of setup?
▶ No.942421
>>942417
It shouldn't matter much. Plebbit and level1techs YouTube channel (and freddit breddit board) are unironically good resources to look into for passthrough, unless something has changed in the past year since I looked. When configured right there's less than a 1% performance drop, and iirc that was early on with ryzen. Fuck Intelaviv.
▶ No.942589>>942608
I recently got a new motherboard and processor. a current year 4 core athlon, Had to buy a new motherboard and ram because
>muh socket change a year keeps the goyim in fear
Overall I'm still happy with my purchase even though i spent a little more money then i wanted to.
▶ No.942604>>942607
>use Ryzen with Linux
>random system reboots for no reason
Thanks, Linux.
▶ No.942607>>942655
>>942604
What OS are you using? Ryzen works really well on Ubuntu 18.04
▶ No.942608
>>942589
You're just retarded.
▶ No.942654>>944206
>>925616
motherboard firmware is still more free than x86 boards, and it's higher performance than a deblobbed SBC
defenestrate yourself from the top floor, blackpill dickhead
▶ No.942655
>>942607
Arch. It worked fine on Solus but for some reason Arch is fucked. I even turned off the C6 setting in the motherboard but it only made them happen less frequently.
▶ No.942707>>944207
>>925616
Average soyboy tech "nerdie."
▶ No.942741
>>925611
> Forced to use Win10 or live without drivers
> Anyway Vega iGPU drivers is trash
▶ No.943324>>943439
>>926126
>AMD magically put the, mostly proprietary and undocumented, WiFi and Ethernet card's instructions on the memory so the CPU can connect to the internet directly to steal user's data and send it to the NSA headquarters, located beneath Rockefeller's grave inside Area 51
Yikes.
▶ No.943434>>944343
I still haven't forgiven AMD's failures. Improving the Phenom II would have been simple, had they gone the Intel route (die shrink + cache increase, maybe add two threads per core). Instead they decided to engender a CPU family that is housefire garbage (they don't even have proper cores; you could call those ALU clusters). Shame on you, AMD. That said, I'll still build a Ryzen system if someone can confirm that the "Disable PSP" BIOS switch actually works.
▶ No.943439
>>943324
>he has no fucking idea how computer peripherals connect
This is pathetic.
▶ No.944206
>>942654
And yet there might be backdoors in the CPU itself which you don't know about.
Stop using computers, faggot. Pen and paper > digital any day.
▶ No.944207>>944407
>>942707
>soyboy
>Spurdo
You have to go back: http://4chan.org/g/
▶ No.944343
>>943434
> switch
It's just stub.
▶ No.944407>>944417
>>944207
That's nice, Boo.
▶ No.944417
>>944407
Starting to think this anon is just a bot. You say something to it and it just repeats the same thing in different threads.
▶ No.944490
>>925396
X4 Phenom II here.
Waiting to finally upgrade sometime at the end of 2018.
About time AMD got their shit together and dropped the CMT (clustered multi-threading) method in favor of SMT (simultaneous multi-threading) which Intel had for many years.
▶ No.944759
>>925396
I'm running my 1095t until I blow the thing bulldozing intelaviv. Only way I'm upgrading is if I kill the mobo or cpu or if they drastically change GPU architecture that I can't plug a new card in.
▶ No.944795
>>925548
The biggest Intel shill on YouTube, period. Probably the second biggest Intel shill on the internet, right after TomsHardware.
▶ No.944796>>947005
>>942042
>2010+ games work
>2017 game works with minor configuration
>PlayOnLinux exists
>various other autoconfigurers for Linux exists
>GOG now ships Windows games for Linux using bundled Wine
>no games use DX12
It's a good time to switch to Linux, lads.
▶ No.947005>>947009
>>944796
So there is a _working_ DX11 Wine now? Plz link
Thats the only thing that holds me back
Of course I expect 100 % of the performance I get in Windows
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▶ No.947028>>947052
>>925384
Intel would be your best bet for having less backdoors since there is a bigger crowd of it on linux due to free-er drivers.
▶ No.947048>>947111
How much speed am I going to feel from upgrading from an 1100T to a 2600x?
▶ No.947052
>>947028
>Intel would be your best bet for having less backdoors
Comedy gold right here.
▶ No.947111
>>947048
Incredibly faster, provided you also purchase an NVMe SSD. I used to think my Phenom II was enough; but recently I was able to use a Ryzen 7 1700 system. I could not believe how fast it was -- gcc with the pgo flag compiled almost instantly. However, Gentoo doesn't have gcc 8 (which has Ryzen optimizations) yet, so maybe wait until it does.