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>gookposting

No. Just get used to Ubuntu, because that's ultimately the distro you'll end up on.

What makes a distro "good", anon?

Bet you can't answer that, huh

>>919565 (OP)

GuixSD

>>919603

Wouldn't ProteanOS be a better option for an embedded use-case?

>>919600

is this a joke?

>>919604

>last modified: 16-Jul-2015

>most recent commits are mostly from 2-3 years ago

>>919603

>Using palemoon on Alpine

Die.

>>919603

>gpu: vbox

kys yourself

>not working for a desktop because of the musl libc

Everything just works on musl. Stop spreading fud.

>>919622

Okay, I'm braindead. I still don't see the point of using software like Firefox on "minimal" operating systems - it feels viscerally wrong

Slackware has become somewhat of an "obscure" distro over the years (even though it's the oldest distro around).

Obarun

MXLinux

>>919625

what browser would u recommend?

bonus points: has to be one that can actually load most websites fully. No terminal browsers.

>>919620

It's not my fud.

>Some programs (mostly graphical applications) will work incorrectly, or segfault when run under musl. This may be due to programs expecting some glibc-specific behavior.

https://wiki.voidlinux.eu/Musl

>>919574

>poetteringware-free

>decent amount of packages

>completely free option

>is not arch

>doesn't run 2+ year old packages like debian, but doesn't run the latest git of everything and break every update like arch

>>919654

>It's not my fud.

Have any of the ponyfuckers who wrote that actually used musl or do they just parrot what drepper has told them. I haven't even touched a non-musl based linux distro in years and I have never seen a segfault at runtime due to it. I have seen build errors because of the shit practices bloatlibc propagates but they are always an easy patch if the distro hasn't already provided it.

>>919654

Probably SeaMonkey, but it's basically old firefox (which was still not great). Aside from that, NetSurf, Dillo, and Mothra can load CSS but not javashit. Maybe surf or Luakit (is that still alive)?

>>>/g/

>>919565 (OP)

Absolutely NixOS. It's the most anti brainlet distro out there. Based on a Ph.D. Thesis, almost impossible to break by accident, full rollback, reliability and declarativeness. Traits that practically no other distro (or OS) except GuixSD have.

Rust can go fuck itself

>>919574

A good package manager.

>>919600

>Rust

>not Ada

kys

>>919620

>Everything just works on musl. Stop spreading fud.

Then you haven't tried to use many nontrivial programs on musl. Musl is fucked for anything that isn't a mainstream package

>>919603

>void was pretty fun! but unfortunately it may be dying

it's not dying in any way

>>919950

OwO what’s this?

https://www.voidlinux.eu/news/2018/05/serious-issues.html

Hardened Gentoo.

>>919952

>>919950

>dying

Nah, at worst they'll have to move from Github to another Git hosting service (preferably their own).

>>919952

irc issue is solved and they have another domain, so the last thing left is changing repo because they can't add new devs

void was working without juan for 5 months and still is. even today i updated gimp do 2.10.2, so it's far from being dead

>>919952

They just bought voidlinux.org

>this faggot tripfag still hasn't be removed

This place really is garbage.

NixOS all the way, I know it's been mentioned in this thread already, but it deserves another upboat, there's also GuixSD if you're that far into the anti-systemd/stallman/lisp meme.

also gentoo but is it really obscure at this point?

>>919565 (OP)

Solus is the only desktop-worthy Linux distro. Ubuntu is the "full package" Linux distro, and Alpine is the "production server" Linux distro. Of the three I think Solus and Alpine are lesser known.

>>919975

I love you! UwU

>>919990

I like that you mention Alpine for production servers. I really hope it does gain popularity in that space, as it could break the current Systemd almost-monopoly there.

>>919565 (OP)

Austrumi os.

>>919999 (quadruple checked)

Fucking GET! That idea sounds fucking genius too, it would require an IQ over 300 to make happen

Also Funtoo is pretty good and obscure enough imo

>>919708

NixOS is very cool. I played around with it and almost chose it, but various autisms tipped the choice to Gentoo and it's simply too comfy. I'll probably put it on any additional box I set up.

>>920025

NixOS sounds cool and all but the entire aison d'être just doesn't grip me. In all my years using Linux this "BSOD" tier meme where installing an update breaks everything just hasn't happened.

>919620

>Everything just works on musl. Stop spreading fud.

stop lel, every single time I hear about someone using void it's "help this program doesn't work in musl!!!".

no proof

>>920065

>>919620

>>920068

whatever

>>920030

I haven't either. That's what interested me back then, but now I'm more interested in the declarative config for server setups. Rollback would just be nice to have in case I screw something up in the unfamiliar environment.

>>919654

qutebrowser of course! Its a minimal browser that's pretty cute as well owo~

>>920025

>Gentoo comfier than NixOS

I actually migrated away from Gentoo to NixOS. Unlike with NixOS you have to maintain a Gentoo installation and try to keep it fresh, whereas NixOS verifies system integrity with every new build of a generation.

>>919600

>"basically a modern lisp machine"

>not written in lisp

We all need to use bare metal squeak smalltalk.

>>920100

I actually enjoy maintaining Gentoo, but there are so many variables that after two PCs I never want to have to do it all over again. But if I'm going to trade that for convenience, normal distros just don't have the autistic depth that I need. NixOS looks like it could.

>>920161

Gentoo is for hardware nerds. Is Arch a good balance? I'm still a Debian faggot.

>>920063

>so, is salix bit like more modern version of slackware?

You could say that, but the one app per task separates it from any other distro. Weird how no one else has made this logical choice, instead throwing as much trash in their distro as possible...

I've been using Salix for 5 years or more, still sticking with it.

>>920226

I didn't use Arch long enough to find out what it's good at.

>>920063

>isn't that ded, tough? (or at least in life-support)

Still in development

>>919600

systemd is great if you're a system administrator. normal users don't need it's (helpful) functions.

>NixOS

>Properly structure your configuration.nix

>Leave hardware specific shit in separate files

>Configure shit once

>Install your shit

>Git init your nixos config directory

>Git ignore hardware specific shit

>Git commit

>Git push

>?????

>Profit!

>>920511

This is a huge advantage of NixOS. Within an hour I had a perfectly identical operating system when setting up my new ThinkPad using the Nix declarations I already had for my desktop. Things like this are what I find to actually be revolutionary. Really no other OS is as powerful as NixOS in this regard.

>>920309

like what?

>>920538

the advantage of NixOS vs a usb stick?

>>920548

With your approach you'd have to go through the usual Gentoo installation procedure, carefully making sure you set up everything you did exactly the same as on your other computer. It's not declarative at all. It also ignores all other configurations a daemon, service or program might have. It's not reliable or fast either. NixOS takes care of that from the Bootloader all the way to user and desktop application level. Instead of SCP you could either git clone your nix system declaration or use NixOps to deploy the system remotely. NixOS rarely if ever fucks up, if it did, you can do full atomic rollbacks. Even unbootable systems are easily recoverable since each system generation gets a snapshot-like entry in GRUB to boot from. No need to boot up a live dvd and troubleshoot. Can Gentoo do that?

>>920615

read -erp "Enter preferred root password " rootpassword
read -erp "Enter preferred username " user
read -erp "Enter preferred user password " userpassword

mkdir gentoo

echo -e "o\nn\np\n1\n\n\nw" | fdisk /dev/sda
mkfs.ext4 -F /dev/sda1
mount /dev/sda1 gentoo

cd gentoo
builddate=$(curl -s http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64/ | sed -nr 's/.*href="stage3-amd64-([0-9].*).tar.xz">.*/\1/p')
wget http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64/stage3-amd64-$builddate.tar.xz
tar pxf stage3*
rm stage3*

cp /etc/resolv.conf etc
mount -t proc none proc
mount --rbind /dev dev
mount --rbind /sys sys

cat << EOF | chroot .

emerge-webrsync

emerge gentoo-sources genkernel
wget http://liquorix.net/sources/4.9/config.amd64
genkernel --kernel-config=config.amd64 all

emerge grub dhcpcd
grub-install /dev/sda
grub-mkconfig > /boot/grub/grub.cfg
rc-update add dhcpcd default

echo "root:$rootpassword" | chpasswd
useradd $user
echo "$user:$userpassword" | chpasswd
gpasswd -a $user wheel

exit

EOF

reboot

lmao

>>920615

You're way too obvious with your shilling. I'm never going to try nixOS because of your desperate attempts to shill on 8chan.

>>919657

>Completely free option

The system should be libre/free software by default.

>>920738

>You're way too obvious with your shilling. I'm never going to try nixOS because of your desperate attempts to shill on 8chan.

Spoken like you're just liking what everyone else likes. If you can't see the HUGE benefits a declarative system approach, plus a secure way to handle packages for everyone using a repo that verifies packages and dependencies, plus the ability to roll-back or garbage collect your system then you're hopeless. Enjoy your Debian or Gentoo.

>>920226

imo Arch has been going downhill for past year >look at its IRC channel

>ArchLinux Women lol

>pacman says that the gpg key is invalid/has expired/is not found.

Gentoo is way better imo

>>920309

>systemd is great if you're a system administrator

Why? What conveniences does SystemDick have over other init systems or traditional init scripts?

>>920541

>the advantage of NixOS vs a usb stick?

NixOS works with systemd but systemdick doesn't work with separate /etc lol

Funtoo. Basically a faster Gentoo. No downsides to using it, only downsides for Gentoo. I feel bad that people still use Gentoo tbh

>>920812

Faster in what way and why?

>>920832

every way. installation, installation of packages, removal of packages, option to compile a kernel without needing to configure it, ect.

>>920850

>hurr durr muh systemd

>durr systemd = bigger than other init rite

>hurr durr /tech/ told me systemd = bloat so bad

>durr durr muh minimal

>>919654

qutebrowser is the best all around browser

>>920865

thanks for proving my point, fag

>>920910

<dependency failed for reboot

systemd does what even win10 don't

>>920850

Install GuixSD

>>920909

>depends on chromium (qtwebengine)

>depends on libudev (qtwebengine)

No thanks.

>>920706

>dude just build a script lmaooo

You have four different devices. You install some programs for, I don't know, data synchronization, so you need to deploy it in all four, and it requires some configuration. What do you do, manually include the package in your gigantic memeportage package list script and a here-document to manually generate/regenerate the required config files? Okay, that's an option, and it probably requires more writing than doing the same in NixOS, but whatever floats your boat. But that's assuming you planed forwards to this. Say, you have a single machine where you installed and configured all packages willy nilly in place, and you want to replicate most of it somewhere else. What do you do? With NixOS you are covered, with Gentoo you would have to hunt down all relevant config files and packages and note them down one by one.

It's like saying, why write a setup script when you could just build an iso and deploy that in every new device? Sure, you can do that, but it's not convenient. I really don't get why would you voluntarily do shit as inefficiently as possible just because you decided to latch onto older memes because that is the sign of an oldfag or something.

>>920790

Are you the same faggot who complained about uBlock/uMatrix and bowed to keep using AdBlock/NoScript like a retard just because you were suspicious of people recommending superior software? I am sure you are also one of those guys who shitposts all day about how computers are dying and new software is all shit. When presented with new quality software, you put your fingertips in your ears and scream loudly just to have an excuse to keep using Firefox 4,

>>921038

>synchronizing data files requires some program

>synchronizing config files requires an entire OS

hmm

>>921038

sudo bash <(curl http://chiru.no/u/installgentoo.txt)
scp user@desktop:/var/lib/portage/world /var/lib/portage/world
scp -R user@desktop:/etc/portage/ /etc/portage/
emerge -uvDN world

lmao

>>921042

>superior software

>systemd

LOL

>>919603

>alpine

Are you aware that alpine is made by people who have a fallacious way of thinking ?

>>921066

[citation needed]

>>921053

Nah, you can manually type in the changes every time you add something. Do you even think before you post?

>>919574

>What makes a distro "good", anon?

Gentoo

>>919574

Package freedom and powerful tools that makes life easier. So far, only Gentoo and BSD meets that criteria.

Mageia

Stable as fuck, never experienced any issues.

Parabola, what arch should've been

>>919946

>musl system

g++ main.cpp -o myproj -lpthread

>fails in horrendously beautiful ways

Musl is a problem

>>919955

Should've happened anyways.

Trisquel

stallman worked on it

>>919574

Full transparency with the community.

>>931280

Because?

>>931279

>musl is the problem

>not that big ole g there

>>921105

We have a winner.

>>931377

Void was, is, and always will be a meme. Well, "always will be" until the few people who use it finally realize that they've been the butt of an unfunny joke and the "project" dies. One of the most recent news items on their news page (https://www.voidlinux.eu/news/) is entitled "Serious Issues" and is about how the shady Spaniard who founded Void had been missing for the better part of half a year, and another is about how they'd regained control of their own IRC channels.

The good news is that if you're using Void, you've pretty much hit rock bottom, so nearly any distro you try next will be better in comparison.

/tech/ is just full of retards now.

Find your own dragon dildo and fuck yourself.

>>931379

It's too late for me. I already installed it and now I'm ricing my i3 setup while I stare at everything defaulting to the monospace font I had on my (separate partition home of course) ~/.local/share/fonts .

>>931379

Boy are you retarded.

>>920548

>>920706

>>921056

inspirational

>>919565 (OP)

MX Linux is really good