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Purism? They're the only ones doing something different, but they're far from releasing a usable product.

>>917022

What happened to Ubuntu touch?

>>917028

Canonical killed it off. They never even bothered releasing any of them outside of Europe and China.

>>917017 (OP)

>where is Gentoo for phones?!

Yall ready can moron

>>917028

>>917032

Canonical "killed it off" and then announced they would "support" it again as soon as UBports came out and said they'd pick up development on it. The only phone they're still selling that comes with it is Fairphone 2, but you can still flash an up-to-date image onto your Nexus 5.

>>917017 (OP)

>why isn't there a 3rd option

There is and have been. If you just opened your eyes wider than your waifu's are then you could have seen them. The two latest ones are the Purism 5 and the Gemini PDA.

Is LineageOS + F-Droid + microG effectively de-Googled?

>>917045

Nice rebuttal, doublenigger

>>917017 (OP)

ITT dumb fags who are too dumb to make their own phones yet think its okay to bitch about it too

https://wiki.zerophone.org/index.php/Main_Page

You can literally install gentoo on it.

>>917017 (OP)

Jolla and Purism are the ones you're looking for.

>>917037

>nexus 5

I find it odd that this is one of the only phones Ubuntu Touch and Plasma Mobile support. I don't pay much attention to smartphones, was there some sort of major change in Android phones around the end of 2013 or sometime in 2014 that caused them to be incompatible with other OS's? Or did Canonical just never bother porting it to anything else and completely lose interest around that time?

>>917017 (OP)

Librem 5

>>917039

No. You also need to remove webview

>>917076

Yes. Look for pensioner's phones or senior's phones.

They may have a giant button on the back that is really loud if you push it in case you fall down and break your hip though.

>>917017 (OP)

Google literally had to re-invent the fucking BIOS for Android as of 8.0 because ARM is such a shitty ecosystem

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Oreo#Features

>The underlying architecture of Android was revised so that low-level, vendor-specific code for supporting a device's hardware can be separated from the Android OS framework using a hardware abstraction layer known as the "vendor interface". Vendor interfaces must be made forward compatible with future versions of Android; this theoretically allows the quicker development and deployment of Android updates for devices, as vendors would only need to make the necessary modifications to their bundled software.[35]

In theory all new Jewgle devices can have custom OS' out of the box without any porting efforts other than the vendor interface. This shit is making me cringe so fucking hard because retards are going to think Google is doing something new when pretty much every BIOS on every other platform has the same exact thing implemented in pretty much an identical way, for decades now.

LineageOS noGApps F-Droid is pretty fine. Of course it's still a (((cellphone))) and it has proprietary firmware, but it's not directly botnet.

>>917017 (OP)

Worst part is lack of standarization of the platform and proprietary drivers, meaning vendors may make your device obsolete at their own discretion by refusing to provide binaries for a newer version. Exactly because of what >>917157 mentions.

Call me freetard or whatever you want, but you can't deny this is why proprietary software is bad for society; jews controlling the software abandon it and force you to jump ship or be left with an insecure, unsupported, obsolete, crippled product.

>>917017 (OP)

At least the ebola of smartphones, Windowsphone, died quickly.

>>917025

>Anything worth doing on a phone is done better on a device with a large screen

Unless you need to carry it in your pocket

What exactly is the problem with smartphones? Is it because of proprietary drivers that you can't just install Lineage OS or a GNU/Linux distro? As I understand it, Plasma mobile exists, so the software is all there, but it cannot support the hardware.

>>917157

Isn't it a good thing to separate the OS from the hardware details? Can someone please explain to me what the problem here is?

Is there at least one phone which comes with Android 8+ and has official LineageOS builds? I tried searching and didn't found any.

Is it a conspiracy to completely lock bootloaders since Project Treble to not let the customers update it indefinitely?

>>917182

>What exactly is the problem with smartphones?

Botnet radio, botnet hardware, botnet software. Botnet hardware is sadly currently a given everywhere. However, phones have a botnet baseband processor with DMA access which can't be turned off, making it especially bad.

Also proprietary kikeware spies on you mercilessly is often insecure (see remote-access exploits), and wastes battery and data doing so and can't be removed unless you're willing to jump through hoops and make some sacrifices. Finally being locked to older OS (and increasingly bloated OS releases) are a big turn off.

>>917184

Sorry, you misunderstood me. I didn't mean the problem with phones out of the box, but rather the reason why the problem out of the box cannot be fixed. I can get an off-the-shelf PC and put GNU/Linux on it, but I cannot get a phone off the shelf and put Lineage OS onto it.

I have here an Android tablet sitting sealed in its box and I can still return it. I have been looking for less botnetted alternatives to it, but if I don't find anything I'll have to bite the shit sandwich an open it eventually.

>>917168

>cellphone

>not directly botnet

found the CIA

>byää uguu cancer yhyy where is what I want

I suggest you stop whining OP and start your own business based on that.

>>917017 (OP)

Surprise nobody here talks about SailfishOS.

>>917183

Your best bet is a Pixel 2

I've looked into non-android based phones for a long time now. They all seem to be purely EU/Asia. Any chance of getting a smartphone sans apple/android that also works with verizon? The only one that seemed possible was the purism one, but they're being rather vague about the details, which is a red flag to me.

>>917268

But it has shit display with low frequency PWM.

>>917264

its nonfree

>>917017 (OP)

Why are you fucking around with cell phones in the first place? The only solution is to avoid them. Trust me, you'll do just fine without a cell phone. I've never owned one. I have one of those mobile hotspot things in case I need networking on the go, and I keep it inside a small aluminum Halliburton case when I don't need it.

Really, why do you "need" a phone? Is it your employer? Would you poke out an eye if they told you that you needed to do that? Part of the reason we're in this mess is that people are gutless and simply follow the herd.

>>917350

>you'll do just fine without a cell phone

What the fuck are you saying. Telcos are becoming increasingly reluctant to install landlines all over the world (even the pozzed GSM landlines). I've been waiting for over half a year to get a landline installed, and the jew telcos won't do anything. If I ditch my mobile phone, I won't have a number.

Jew telcos do this because calling costs 0.32 burgerdollars a minute on mobile, whereas on landline you pay $0.12 a minute (and $0.06 on off-peak hours).

>>917371

I live in burgerland. I can get AT&T to install a landline in under a week at my house.

https://replicant.us/

>>917371

>I've been waiting for over half a year to get a landline installed,

you're either lying or you're not in the USA

>>917145

And wtf is webview

>>917045

I don't think you realize how many apps depend on Jewgle

>>917076

>Cell phone no screen

What you're looking for are brick phones

>>917371

Where I live they try to sell you a landline and cable with Internet. Some companies don't even ask.

>>917168

>not directly botnet

it's illegal in the US for a carrier to activate a phone that doesn't have government tracking installed in it anon.

>>917561

Proofs?

Also what about other countries?

>>917567

Install replicant in a samsung galaxy s2 and then take it to any carrier. You will get vanned faster then you can say told you so. The trick is to buy a botnet phone to activate for the sim card, then take that simcard out and put it in a non botnet phone that has xprivacy installed to spoof the phone you took the sim out of.

>>917569

This is not a proof.

>>917572

Did you try it? Most carriers only activate certain newer smartphones anyways. If you tried activating a flip phone before GPS became mandatory some time around 1990 today it would be refused because it isn't botnet enough.

>>917569

>you will be arrested for trying to activate a phone with a custom rom

this is just a bald faced lie

>>917525

Webview is simply how Android calls it's built-in Chromium

Also, I'm using Lineage for one year now without mictog o gapps

>>917017 (OP)

Buy a Librem 5 and install Gentoo on it.

>>917525

Webview is Chrome without UI. You have Chrome and Webview on modern android OSs. If you can use Firefox Klar/Lightning Browser/Naked Browser you have webview installed. It's a system package used as a fallback if your system doesn't have Chrome or has Chrome disabled. It's used to render sites by a lot of apps, unfortunately.

It has almost the same number of issues and privacy concerns as Chrome.

>>917810

>>917764

That does sound like a concern.

How can we mitigate this issue?

Does Lineage change webview at all?

>>918025

I will always say that Stallman has done nothing for technology.

>>918035

Why would you do that? Makes you out to be a moron.

>>917992

I read that they modified the Android WebView (distinct from Google WebView?) but I don't know how exactly. Don't trust yet.

Some browsers don't use WebView (eg. using Gecko), and one is attempting to fork a privacy focused version.

>>918041

Stallman:

- Ripped-off Gosling Emacs to make GNU Emacs.

- Ripped-off UNIX and made shitty bloated equivalents of their utilities.

- Wrote the GPL, the GPLv2 and GPLv3 were mostly written by his lawyer goons.

- Wrote the worst compiler of all time.

- Edgy.

- Wants to be credited as much as the guy who wrote his own Kernel.

- Thinks that people care about his retarded Free(tm) label (look at the 'Real men don't attack Straw men' thread)

https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119769638425153&w=2

https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119769569624677&w=2

https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119770190928099&w=2

- Allows GCC to compile non-free programs and work on Solaris/Windows, claims this doesn't matter.

- Allows GNU Emacs to work on proprietary operating systems.

- Gone senile.

>What has Richard Stallman's bravery killed? Not much. Proprietary code without source is very much live, and making a killing in the business market still. His infleunce in the Linux world is non-existence, since it is a bunch of companies, making a killing

adding proprietary components to only mostly free code. What has his radicalism gained? People ignore him. He's on some little minor operating system's mailing list picking a fight, because all the other projects totally ignore him, because they are all run like solid American businesses.

>And the GPLv3? He was the puppet that sold it, but the text was

mostly written by a bunch of lawyers who will take care of it after

Richard dies. And they've made sure that there are holes in the

less-free GPLv3, and they will make a lot of money off those who

voilate the interpretation they get out of judges, once Richard dies.

Ethics? Who cares. Once Richard dies, it will be a feeding frenzy.

His hypocrisy just makes it even more of a sure thing.

>>918058

Are there any non-biased summations of the pros and cons of GPL and BSD licenses?

>>918058

Also, GCC ripped-off the Pastel compiler.

>>917760

It's not just a custom ROM but also an open source implementation of the baseband proccessor and its firmware for 3g cellular communication. Which is literally illegal in the USA because of the FCC's "must accept interferance"/be backdoored clause. You can remove the "accepted interferance" with such a thing.

>>918068

Of course there isn't, its pretty hard to when one side in particular likes to use their own misconstrued definitions of many terms. I suggest you read them yourself and decide.

OpenBSD's ISC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISC_license#OpenBSD_license

GPLv2: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html

>>917017 (OP)

Smartphones are a meme, real men use PDAs with IPoAC.

Phones are gay. I NEVER used my phone when I had a brick phone or a flip phone because I don't have any fucking friends, who the fuck am I going to call. Smartphones let me browse the internet while taking a shit and that's way more useful than any other phone ever was.

>>917579

Did (You) try it?

I need to upgrade my S5 because it's literally falling apart. What's a good phone that supports Lineage, has a removable battery, has microSD slot, and I can use with Verizon

>>917569

But I did, anon! My phone works just fine from tehnoetic on AT&T.

>>918194

Back it up with a hard source or shut the fuck up. Fucking fear mongering, I swear.

>>918821

when did they start requiring that? i got my card almost 10 years ago and paid with cash and had no id verifications

>>919135

Is there not a single CDMA phone there?

Also they don't trust the chinks. See how its either france/finnish/UK????

>>919174

>spoiler

There are a few Samsung phones on that list in the third pic

>>919174

>don't trust chinks

>using mobile telephony at all

>>919135

The slavs recomend those phones because they don't have the automatic backdoors mandated for GPS enabled phones made after the 1990's.

>>918272

Yes you autistic dumbfuck of course I tried in my country and I assume it is the same in ZOGland america.

>>918855

Look at any sticker or manufacturers label on any electronic device with a radio that is from the USA ever. It says it must comply with FCC Title 47, Part 15 https://archive.fo/0cSH5

>>919135

But Stallman says, even dumbphones can be RATed and turned into remote listening devices. They don't use the phones for sensitive calls anyway, only family members and such. However, an audited smartphone with VoIP software would be much safer than plain unencryted GSM or just a landline phone.

>>918194

Quit LARPing, pal. Replicant has no open source implementation of baseband firmware, only userspace drivers.

>>917025

Cellphones are the best of smoking and Facebook, combined.

>>919262

GSM IS encrypted you pleb

>>917371

>year and a half for a landline

you must not be in the US because they give those things out like candy here, and they typically bundle landlines into packages which bring the price down for multiple products.

>>918045

>windows phone

don't do this. seriously.

I was a winphonefag since wp7 released because I wanted something different. Everyone that saw my various winphones loved how it looked and thought it was really cool. Some even bought one...... and then returned it after a week. I finally gave up and ditched it when the Note 7 came out. I preferred having an exploding phone over a winphone.

>>919329

Only between you and (always rogue) cell tower, and the encryption is hella weak.

>>919329

Not sufficiently. A few minutes to break the encryption and someone can tap in to your call.

>>919367

Samsung galaxy S2 with replicant. Although you might consider it a downgrade, the phone itself will last longer, has removable SD card and a removable battery.

>>919262

You are a giant larping faggot. The samsung galaxy S3 has only a FOSS userland implementation. The galaxy S2 does indeed have a FOSS implementation of 3g GSM/CDMA cellular communications for kernel/hardware and userland. Or atleast as of replicant based on android kitkat they did. Maybe it got shoahed.

>>917017 (OP)

>where is Gentoo for phones?!

It's easy as fuck to port gentoo on just about any system.

You already have the linux kernel for your phone, just stick a stage3 on it and you're set.

Good luck having an usable UI though. You'll have to preconfigure the network and access the phone through SSH.

>>917039

I don't know if LineageOS is free software, I know it's one of its objectives at least.

Either way your linux kernel is probably chock full of proprietary modules and blobs as is the norm for mobile phones. I doubt there's a phone that can run fully free software.

And then you run into the issue of still having multiple hardware botnets.

Essentially if you're running android you're on a botnet at the same level as windows.

>>919688

>I doubt there's a phone that can run fully free software.

The samsung galaxy S2. Everything except the bootloader is FOSS.

>And then you run into the issue of still having multiple hardware botnets.

The ARM proccessor is the only hardware botnet because of specter like vulnerabilities and the GSM/CDMA radio/gps if you don't use FOSS software with proper hardware isolation. But you might as well reverse engineer the bootloader on that galaxy S2 and then solder on a different BGA proccessor onto the SOC like a risc-v chip when they come out. Then you can recompile everything for risc-v and have a non-botnet FOSS 3g radio that works on (((major networks))) as a secured endpoint. Just make sure anything going into the (((major networks))) is encrypted at the ethernet layer since the 3g layer is laughablely easy to break.

<Essentially if you're running android you're on a botnet at the same level as windows.

If you use a phone with non-foss userland apps such as jewgle apps you are correct. If you install xprivacy and root your phone and use only FOSS apps then not so much. It's more like linux mint at that point, not hardened gentoo/openbsd levels of security, but still better then windows.

>>919655

Why galaxy S2 while replicant support galaxy s3 with even 4G?

>>917017 (OP)

>buy burner w/ cash

>throw away after a week

>buy new one

not a perfect solution but it's the best you're gonna get

Copperhead OS is good if your phone supports but it does still run a few blobs but in terms of everything else it's good some of the best security features.

>>928639

project is dead

get in here >>928341

>>917076

You could always make your own

https://blog.arduino.cc/2013/08/12/diy-cellphone/

I poked around trying to see what a 4G/LTE breakout module costs, to see if you could make your own with a raspberry pi or something. 2G modules are cheap as dirt, 3G modules run close to $80, but the 4G easily $300 just for that part alone.

>>918058

>Ripped-off Gosling Emacs to make GNU Emacs.

>Ripped-off UNIX and made shitty bloated equivalents of their utilities.

Linus did the same for the kernel.

>Wrote the GPL

This is a net positive (the remainder of the comment is irrelevant).

>Wrote the worst compiler of all time.

>Edgy.

cool opinions

>Wants to be credited as much as the guy who wrote his own Kernel.

only comment so far with some merit, but purely superficial

>Thinks that people care about his retarded Free(tm) label

yes he's autistic, doesn't detract from the main point of the arguement though

>Allows GCC to compile non-free programs and work on Solaris/Windows, claims this doesn't matter.

>Allows GNU Emacs to work on proprietary operating systems.

there's no ethical or technical contradiction here

>senile

not relevant if so

the rest was just a bunch of crap, waste of time

>>918068

BSD is total freedom (i.e freedom to enslave). GPL disallows the freedom to restric others freedoms (i.e no slaves).

Is there even such a thing as free and open source radio firmware that will work on the major networks?

>>917992

It doesn't afaik. Privacy Browser will apparently use a privacy oriented webview in future, not sure if that's what Lineage uses. Idk how it works yet, haven't checked it out.

>How can we mitigate this issue?

Remove it from the system and use Firefox or another FF-based browser like Fennec or IceCat. Some apps won't run without webview so all you can do is not use them.

>>917025

They're nice to have around for emergency calls. Can mean the difference between life and death.

>>917017 (OP)

Feel free to support the Pyra development https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/

>>937904

No. Reason: patents.

>>938511

Except emergency stations don't get the accurate gps/wifi-assisted location data.

>>937893

You should say Copycenter and Copyleft. The BSD (clause 3?) license and GPL are merely symbols of a bigger ideology. Both are free software in that they uphold freedom 0. They differ in how they interpret freedom 0 and their logical extensions.

Is nobody using the zero phone???

>>917025

>Not understanding you can parkour with a phone in your pocket but not a rugged laptop

Portability is key, besides we can try https://itsfoss.com/open-source-alternatives-android/

>>917168

>>917184

Learn 2 chipbag so you only show up when you need to

>>917371

And now you see the issue of the Jew

>>918058

What do you expect from Jews?

>>938939

What is chip bagging?

>>917039

Just get Tizen OS. It's less AIDS than Android and Apple.

>>917025

A phone does not have to be botnet, or at least not the OS running on it, hell, phones don't need to be "phones" anymore, I'd be happy to have one without a SIM card slot, there is nothing wrong with carrying a powerful computer that fits in your pocket, that's empowering if anything else, as long as it's not a botnet like GNoogle/Android and iPhone.