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▶ No.895554
get a voice/sms only phone
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>>895513 (OP)
Thanks friend for the news. It is important for us to know about these kinds of issues.
>>895563
You are welcome to recreate the same experiment that this Fox news reporter did for his report. I'd bet your result would have the same outcome.
▶ No.895588>>895668
this video fails to mention if these phones were associated with a google account before being put into airplane mode.
it seems like this should be different if there was no google account associated. also it shouldn't send hit at all if there's no google shit installed, ie a custom rom without it.
▶ No.895590
Fucking hell, they just never have enough.
▶ No.895593>>895661 >>895715 >>895752 >>895991 >>896321
>google won't collect data if it's of the network
>they collect data to target you with ads
>it's called surveillance capitalism
I hate these people they have no knowledge of computing.
>google won't collect data if it's of the network
Google still collect data if you're off grid since software can run in BACKGROUND without you even knowing it, it's simply isn't sent immediately.
Google can claim that it's in "airplane mode" but that doesn't mean that an exception can't be made by a google software to just let some software in the background access the network without you knowing it.
>they collect data to target you with ads
True but that is very incomplete, google sells anykind of data to anyone it's not only for ads.
>it's called surveillance capitalism
MUH CAPITALISM, the first faggots who employed mass surveillance on their own people were Communist and Stalin loved it.
▶ No.895643>>895644
>it sent data when we connected it to a WiFi network
<hurr le goolag le botnet le knows how to send data wiht no conection
I shiggy diggy
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>>895643
Get out cuckchan shill. Unironically end your own life.
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>>895513 (OP)
Install Gemini PDA, faggot.
▶ No.895655
>>895513 (OP)
i'm not watching a video. give me text or kys faggot
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>>895644
There's nothing more "cuckchan" than using Hooktube and taking FOX seriously.
▶ No.895661>>895886 >>896903
>>895593
>MUH CAPITALISM, the first faggots who employed mass surveillance on their own people were Communist and Stalin loved it.
This surveillance is done for profit. It fits in the usual failure mode of capitalism, which is optimizing for profit over what's best overall.
It's not comparable to communist surveillance, which was worse. That happened for a different reason and in a different way.
Surveillance is not inherently communist or capitalist, but this particular instance of surveillance can reasonably be blamed on the incentives created by capitalism.
▶ No.895668>>896903
>>895588
That's a bit optimistic in my book. There's nothing stopping Google from keeping 'shadow profiles' about you like Facebook does, and at this point I suspect they're pretty good at merging all the info they gather on individuals.
With Custom ROMs it's a bit of a guessing game now, since you'd have to actually check the open source Android code for the functionality and laymen simply can't reliably do that for every update released.
You really do need a professionally maintained OS on mobile with all the sensitve information and sensors on them.
▶ No.895669>>895676
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airplane_mode
>Airplane mode, aeroplane mode, flight mode, offline mode, or standalone mode is a setting available on many smartphones, portable computers, and other electronic devices that, when activated, suspends radio-frequency signal transmission by the device, thereby disabling Bluetooth, telephony, and Wi-Fi. GPS may or may not be disabled, because it does not involve transmitting radio waves.
All the tracking was gps based. There is nothing new here.
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>>895676
But with telephony off, the phone won't connect to towers.
▶ No.895680
>>895677
>Many people realize that smartphones track their locations. But what if you actively turn off location services, haven’t used any apps, and haven’t even inserted a carrier SIM card?
>Even if you take all of those precautions, phones running Android software gather data about your location and send it back to Google when they’re connected to the internet, a Quartz investigation has revealed.
They say they don't do it anymore, but who trusts Alphabet at this point?
I think Android will always search for towers when they're turned on.
▶ No.895682
Every move you make, every step you take, Google is watching you.
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>>895593
>If you criticize the current society, you're a commie
>capitalism/communism, the only ideologies that exist
>goy, we're either gonna take your shekels by force, or by choice but you're gonna die in the street!
>ultimate stats politics in 2018
Can't we all get nuked already?
▶ No.895752>>895886 >>896099
>>895593
>Google can claim that it's in "airplane mode" but that doesn't mean that an exception can't be made by a google software to just let some software in the background access the network without you knowing it.
Apparently Google does have what it takes to violate physics laws. Ebin. 10/10
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>>895689
>look mom, I made another snarky comment about juice! (please love me)
▶ No.895886>>895919 >>895944 >>895991
>>895661
>This surveillance is done for profit.
Because what did Stalin wasn't to profit the USSR ?
>which was worse.
No it wasn't, the communist didn't have 99% of it's population having a microphone, camera, GPS and other sensors listening to them 24 hours a day.
>Surveillance is not inherently communist or capitalist
That we can agree on.
>can reasonably be blamed on the incentives created by capitalism.
Because google wasn't funded by the CIA ?
>>895715
>If you criticize the current society, you're a commie
That was never said.
>capitalism/communism, the only ideologies that exist
That was never said.
>goy, we're either gonna take your shekels by force, or by choice but you're gonna die in the street!
Because having a phone is mandatory ?
>Can't we all get nuked already?
Go learn to read more effectively.
>>895752
>Google does have what it takes to violate physics laws
So you are telling me that the airplane mode, which is a software function that is on android, can't make exceptions for specific software installed on the same android phone ?
It's not because you are convinced of it's function that it doesn't have other ones in the background that you do not know about.
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>>895886
>Because what did Stalin wasn't to profit the USSR ?
By profit I mean something more specific than benefit. I mean monetary, capital profit. That thing corporations are supposed to try to get a lot of.
>No it wasn't, the communist didn't have 99% of it's population having a microphone, camera, GPS and other sensors listening to them 24 hours a day.
They did, however, have a lot more human involvement, and they used the information to keep people in line in a way that goes far beyond anything Google currently does.
>Because google wasn't funded by the CIA ?
No, because Google does this to make money. It just followed the standard capitalist incentives and ended up at mass surveillance.
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>>895758
You know your not even remotely fooling anyone into thinking you belong here, right?
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>>895886
Airplane mode is required by law to function as described, for physical safety reasons.
If what you said was actually done, that would be a suicide self shot by Google.
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>>895919
>I mean monetary, capital profit
>That thing corporations are supposed to try to get a lot of.
Lands ?
Houses ?
Goods ?
Water supplies ?
Food supplies ?
Employees ?
Having power isn't only about money.
> and they used the information to keep people in line in a way that goes far beyond anything Google currently does.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._F._Skinner
>It just followed the standard capitalist incentives and ended up at mass surveillance.
https://www.wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/
>Long before company founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin hired Schmidt in 2001, their initial research upon which Google was based had been partly funded by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).
>>895944
>Airplane mode is required by law to function as described, for physical safety reasons.
A lot of things are required by law or the constitution (like privacy for example) that doesn't mean that it isn't constantly violated.
>that would be a suicide self shot by Google.
Them google should have an hero itself a long time ago, but it didn't happen.
▶ No.895953
>>895944
>>895951
>that doesn't mean that it isn't constantly violated.
Laws are made by men and enforced by men what I mean is that any rule cannot be enforced by magic, if someone decided to ram a truck in to a group of people these sets of rules cannot magically stop that person from doing so, only people can stop people and people agree or not to a set of rules to live with each others.
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>>895951
>Them google should have an hero itself a long time ago, but it didn't happen.
Airplane crashes are a big deal. There's a reason why this mode is called airplane mode. Turn on the brain and calculate 2 things together.
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>>895957
>Airplane crashes are a big deal.
That was solved a few years ago and isn't always mandatory now.
>There's a reason why this mode is called airplane mode. Turn on the brain and calculate 2 things together.
..
>be google botnet
>tracks user even when in airplane mode
>gps detects that the user in on a plane field
>deactivates functions for safety
Or not
How dense are you ? it's a SOFTWARE black box if you don't have the code you can't audit it, security thought obscurity is a fallacy that needs to stop.
▶ No.895969>>895977
>>895967
>>gps detects that the user in on a plane field
this is not reliable
you know how accurate GPS is in the worst case?
and it can be spoofed, too.
>it's a SOFTWARE black box
Android itself is open source, and this is where Airplane Mode is implemented. I always thought that black box is where you can't see the source.
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>>895967
>How dense are you
like all humans, something close to the density of water.
▶ No.895977
>>895969
>Android itself is open source
> I always thought that black box is where you can't see the source.
You lack a lot of knowledge.
Android is "open source" but not all the licenses install on it are, plus open source means permissive licenses like the MIT or BSD thus the exact source of a binary isn't necessary shared by the manufacturer.
>you know how accurate GPS is in the worst case?
They are very accurate, 5~10 meters and can be more.
>and it can be spoofed, too.
True but lame excuse, datamining companies want exact/precise data.
▶ No.895978
>$current_year
>using phone
GET THE FUCK OUT OF /tech/!!
Realy gone shit, we even have netflix alternative thread and ton of other shit.
▶ No.896036>>896045
>>895967
>that was solved
No, it wasn't. Airplane equipment is less prone to interference by phones now, but it still is. In any flight the crew may ask you to turn off your phone or turn on airplane mode.
And there are other reasons to turn on airplane mode. Like working with equipment that is prone to interference by phones, but not Bluetooth/WiFi or other special addons. Like recording studios.
▶ No.896045
>>896036
>Like recording studios
Even for casual listening, these dzz-dzz from phone interference are outraging. (if your tech is not sufficiently screened, which is often the case)
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>>895991
You deserve a ban even though this intentional bait.
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>>896047
>mom I'm still being a racist online I'm so mature and so hardcore pls love me ;-;
ishygddt
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>>896079
Haha, that joke was even funnier the second time. You've got a real talent. You should become a Know Your Meme editor.
▶ No.896092>>896120
>>896079
>thinking telling racists that they are racist will strike a nerve.
leftyfags really are this retarded.
▶ No.896099
>>895752
It is possible that they just store movement data, WiFi data(whether or not you connect but ssid and Mac address) and once you reconnect to internet, then that file gets sent.
Honestly, the WiFi stuff is spooky. if a Google device connects to a router, it can send Mac and ssid to google. Then when someone walks by that network they know your location accurate to WiFi range which is pretty good. They can narrow it down even more with the signal strength info.
It is known that with apple products, even if you turn off WiFi/Bluetooth it is still on, it is very possible that google does the same thing.
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>>896092
You completely misunderstood the angle he's attacking you from. Nobody cares that you're racist.
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>>896120
Funny then, how he's the one who brought up racism out of thin fucking air in a discussion about surveillance. No, you're wrong, he cares very much that I'm racist, and it's actually kind of adorable watching him get so riled up.
▶ No.896138
>>896120
Clearly he does or he wouldn't be posting. Also I am not this poster: >>896136.
To avoid derailing the thread. It really should not be a surprise that Google does this. Good opsec demands that you consider as many potential attack vectors as possible. Not considering that maybe Google is collecting information in the background on your locked down device knowing the plethora of other shit they do is absolutely niggerbrains retarded.
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>>896136
>.gif
go back to reddit
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>>896136
>brings up da joos as his only "argument" in a conversation about technology
>misunderstands an obvious reply to his nonsensical posts
You really are as shallow and dumb as I thought you would be.
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>>896163
That actually wasn't me. Either way, get the fuck out, kike.
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>>896165
OK, you win. That hurt you meanie. 😟
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>>896168
>the leftypol jewish cuckchan shitter is a phoneposter
You ridicule yourself better than I could ever hope to.
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>>896171
Please stop you daddy. 💔
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>>896171
>He can't post Unicode from his desktop computer 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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>>896192
>he doesn't know ASCII is a subset of Unicode
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>>896194
Do you even understand set theory?
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>>896201
I only have surface level knowledge of it.
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>>895593
>True but that is very incomplete, google sells anykind of data to anyone it's not only for ads.
Where can I buy this data?
▶ No.896334
>>896321
They don't, they sell ads, not data.
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>>896171
>.gif
go back to reddit
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>>896192
>unicode
GET OUT YOU FUCKING BLOAT SHILL
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>>896168
>>896172
This level of being an annoying sarcastic faggot should be a bannable offense. This is the reason i stay away from arguments on most sites cause you can't argue with these people.
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>>895944
>that would be a suicide self shot by Google
Yes Google, literally the CIA, is going to suffer awful consequences because of this.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
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>>896373
Excessive use of buzzwords and memes and passing them as arguments should also be a bannable offense. But then the chan would lose 85 % of it's userbase.
There is no argument here possible because everything is boiled down to insults and sarcastic replies anyway. Low-effort replies and threads that are only tangentially related to technology should be banned, if anything.
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>>896321
From any participating government or Google engineer tasked with oversight.
There is a thriving market on the darkweb for Google data, and plenty of their engineers or people in places where Google conforms to local laws will help you get what you want.
How do you think they managed to figure out Seth Rich's sins? Google helped.
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>>896382
>There is a thriving market on the darkweb for Google data
Post a link, then. I wanna buy my ex-boyfriend's information.
▶ No.896386>>896437
>>896384
I'm sorry but the underground datamarkets are not linked to, you have to get this information mouth to ear.
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>>896381
you can't have bans and anonymity at the same time, deal with it
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>>896387
>deal with it
This is the shit im talking about.
▶ No.896391
>>896388
What's wrong with that?
And how would you suggest to ban people who are 100% anonymous (using onion, etc)?
▶ No.896423>>896428
Last 5 planes I boarded on had on-board wifi hotspots and literally half the people were staring their botnet slates during 4-hour flights. Muh Airplane mode my ass, dumb niggers.
▶ No.896428
>>896423
Airplane mode doesn't prevent you from enabling WiFi, dinghole.
It's all about cellular networks.
▶ No.896437
>>896386
Ah, yes. Good. I'm really believing your outrageous, unproved claims.
▶ No.896533>>896550
Even if i have factory reset multiple times and never turned any (((wireless))) connection on ever, even accidentally?
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>>896533
If you're not running TempleOS you're FUCKED.
▶ No.896623>>896854 >>896860 >>897093
>>896550
>running an abandonware OS
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>>896623
> says the man running a 1970's mainframe OS with new-age addons like X window systemds
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>>896623
Do you even know what abandonware means? TempleOS is in the public domain.
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>>896550
yeah but then god is tracking you
▶ No.896903
>>895513 (OP)
>>895661
>This surveillance is done for profit
It's both. It's the fascism of surveillance. See >>896899
>google
>>895668
>'shadow profiles' about you like Facebook does
THIS
▶ No.896933>>896935 >>896944 >>897510
The cell radio chip can be disabled in what is popularly called the secret menu, search your phone + secret menu
enjoy your x2 battery time if needed
Im guessing the reason (((they))) want it always on is so they can track you if needed. I heard law enforcement refer to it as pining offline phones.
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>>896933
any sources for this information?
▶ No.896949>>896960 >>897041
>>896944
battery time skyrocket when turned off
this is proof it is always on despite airplane mode
you need to dial the service code for your phone to get to the menu and be root for the setting to stick.
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>>896949
All the proof you need is to put your phone in Airplane Mode besides a turned on speaker. Cellular networks cause interference. When Airplane Mode is on, there is no interference ever so it's always off.
In the SoCs included in phones, cellular radios are controlled entirely by (proprietary) firmware, that's why the Librem guys chose an outdated SoC: it was the only one where the radios were separated from the CPU so they can cut off energy from the antennas without fucking up the phone's functions.
The only difference between that mode you used, and Airplane Mode, is that Airplane Mode is automatically disabled when you dial an emergency number, but yours isn't.
▶ No.896965>>897036
>>896960
you are thick
The chip is not transmitting its on listening for remote command from the cell tower.
They dont want you completely disconnected.
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>>896949
Unless you have your own cell tower in the basement, there is still no proof that radio chip is actually off.
>>896878
>we are all but a jewish god's botnet
spookeh
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>>897041
>>897036
The proof is in the unreal standby time
i can post a screenshot tomorrow and you will shit bricks.
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>>897045
I have good standby time with LineageOS as well, without special hacks.
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>>897051
right, post yours and i post mine later
▶ No.897060>>897064
>>897057
It's about 2 or 3 days, but I usually only put it into airplane mode while I sleep (7-10 hours), and I actually use it sometimes during the day.
Can't take the time for the complete experiment.
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>>897060
Clown
and this isnt with the radio module switched off, the standby time is another week
▶ No.897068>>897073
>>897064
so you aren't using the phone for phoning?
or what did you do exactly?
▶ No.897073
>>897068
this is my spare phone i fuck around with, the battery is old ..so i guess you get something like 40days standby out of a fresh pack.
▶ No.897093
>>896623
YOU NEVER ABANDON GOD YOU FUCKING HEATHEN, BEGONE
▶ No.897096>>897145
Video is gone, anybody have a backup?
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>>896081
Is that your original insult/thought or is it only that you are cappable to mimmick what you see online?
I bet you just copy what others tell you
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>>897324
There's no mention that it can be received while in airplane mode.
▶ No.897344>>897358
>>897338
It can't. That anon is full of shit. Antennas don't "send commands", phones request commands and for that they require authentication and for that, a SIM card.
▶ No.897358
>>897344
you dont need a simcard to dial
"emergency call only"
The phone has various unique identifiers such as imie
▶ No.897510
>>896933
You're right. I knew it. These fucking things are collecting microphone and camera data constantly. They send out a hugely powerful signal with all of that data every time the phone is booted, even with aeroplane mode + no SIM card. There's no option to disable the cell chip on my hardware, so the battery is coming out of this and it's never being booted again. Will it need smashing?
▶ No.900282
>>895513 (OP)
>video has been shoah'd
>this is why you webm
fgt
▶ No.900294
>>895513 (OP)
GOOGLE?? *Well I never!*