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>gtk3
>wayland
>python3
>getting rid of python2
>almost completely removing gtk2
>systemd
All great things that Fedora has done FIRST. There's a reason developers prefer Fedora over other distros. They make out with the old ONLY if there's a better alternative.
(unlike canonicuck with sysv -> upstart)
tl;dr fedora 28 is almost here install it
▶ No.893306>>893546
>>893290 (OP)
<They make out with the old ONLY if there's a better alternative.
>gtk3
>better than gtk2
How about no.
▶ No.893369
Aside from wayland, fedora is cancer.
▶ No.893410
>>893290 (OP)
install gentoo
▶ No.893416
When I started with Linux I did a lot of distro hopping, until finally settling with Fedora
It has the best update/stability leveling for a desktop
▶ No.893465>>906950
>>893290 (OP)
Literally none of those are good things.
▶ No.893517>>901227
>gtk2
>systemd
>great things
▶ No.893518
>gtk3
>systemd
>great things
▶ No.893528>>893579
best systemd distro alongside debian
▶ No.893546>>893581 >>907962
>>893306
what's wrong with gtk3?
▶ No.893579
>>893528
That's like being the best special olympian.
▶ No.893581
>>893546
/g/ people will say that the design is ugly and spacious (which I disagree)
Actual programmers will say it is unstable ABI and API-wise (which I agree), this is being fixed for GTK4, but it's probably too late as a lot of software abandoned the ship
▶ No.893591>>893595 >>893619 >>893691 >>906793
Developers prefer it because they keep a good ballance of up to date packages, stability, keeping out of the users way and just werks. On the negative side though, SELinux can suck my dick, and the release/support cycle is really annoying. Some argue it's good to make a fresh start every year or, but I argue those people are just lazy and let their system get pigged out with 3rd party software they didn't bother to package before installing, configs with copy-pasted spaghetti code, and using their home directory as a dumping ground. It's just like the myth of Win-rot. The system isn't degrading you've just been throwing trash around and pissing in the corner for the last year.
>They make out with the old
lewd
▶ No.893595
>>893591
That's true. One of the things I really miss in Fedora is a Synaptic kind of software, it really makes the organization of packages more easy.
There was some tentatives for DNF, yum-extender and Dragora-something, but they don't even get close to Synaptic Brazilware.
▶ No.893611>>893630 >>893808
>XFCE still hasn't completed the transition from GTK2 to GTK3
>GIMP still hasn't completed the GTK2 to GTK3 transition and at this point will probably wait until GTK4 to move
▶ No.893619
>>893591
The packages are up to date but the upgrades really ruin it. My shitty Arch system on my big guy PC has been chugging along since 5 years, while Fedora just shits itself if you upgrade between major versions. Also I don't think SELinux is maintainable by regular carbon entities. You'll probably need to join a higher plane of existence and waste your enlightenment on trying to understand completely ridiculous abstractions.
▶ No.893621
>>89354
>GTK3
Ever use Glade? Crashes like its it's job.
Plus you can't tweak theme parameters like you could on on GTK2 and Windows 3.
It also forces a lot of things, like animations and CSDs to the client where the WM can't disable them.
▶ No.893630>>893662 >>893684
>>893611
XFCE haven't completed because they are not porting to GTK3, but to Qt. Even Mate have completed the porting a while ago
Gimp is too big and complex, they just don't have enough man/hours to make the port. It works with GTK2 in the end
▶ No.893662>>893853
>>893630
>Xfce
>being actively developed
Didn't they pretty much state that they have no fucking idea how to get their shit to work under Wayland, since they don't have the resources to port their godawful WM?
▶ No.893684>>893853
>>893630
Wrong. Xfce is being (ever so slowly) ported to GTK3. You're thinking of LXDE, which merged with Razor-Qt to produce the LXQt desktop.
▶ No.893691>>893835
>>893591
>myth of Win-rot
It's a real thing. That WinSxS folder will keep growing, every font you add increases your boot time, and all those shitty leftover registry entries from poorly designed chink programs you uninstall add yet more time. Not to mention those services, tasks, and startup entries from bloated software.
Hell, I have a friend whose Wangblows takes 5 minutes to become responsive (from shit like SolidWorks, Chrome, SoundForge, etc.)
▶ No.893795>>911815
how about getting rid of the name "fedora"?
▶ No.893808
>>893611
>GIMP is not up to date with the GIMP Toolkit (AKA GTK)
▶ No.893814>>893822
>>893290 (OP)
Shit distro tbh, tried it once for an hour, it crashed three times in a row on a brand new computer so the software was obviously the problem. Reinstalled Debian afterwards and everything was fine. You literally can’t convince me to ever use fedora ever again. Install a real distro, like Gentoo.
▶ No.893822>>906799 >>907962
>>893814
>using debabbyian
le
▶ No.893835>>894040 >>906807
>>893691
You do realize everything in WinSxS is hardlinked right? And do you honestly think a binary-based config database has any tangible effect on boot times?
Don't answer that, I already know you're just pretend to know about computers on an anonymous imageboard while using Linux as a cheap mask to hide your inadequacies (which is ironic because people like you are the ones responsible for lowering the IQ of the average GNU/Linux user and making it more evident literal retards could setup an install)
▶ No.893853>>894130
>>893662
But even the south-americans at Mate managed to complete the porting
>>893684
Yeah, got them confused. My bad
▶ No.894040>>894129 >>906807
>>893835
>WinSxS
Why is this cancer even needed
▶ No.894129
>>894040
The Windows data store. It's made to prevent DLL hell to system data by providing system-wide DLLs through hardlinks. It also simplifies OS corruption repair with tools like sfc and DISM
▶ No.894130
>>893853
xfwm is a monster
▶ No.901227
>>893517
-systemd is the only reliable way to kill processes and their sub-processes
-getting rid of deprecated software is always a good thing
▶ No.901436
>>893290 (OP)
That list of shit seems like a checklist for digital AIDS.
▶ No.901440>>901448 >>907962
>>893290 (OP)
I genuinely don't understand why people use Fedora over Cent. It's kinds buggy.
▶ No.901448>>901469
>>901440
Centos packages and kernel are fucking ancient. Fedora is up to date and acceptable for a desktop.
That said, it might be a bit too fast for a server, so Centos would be preferred there.
▶ No.901469>>901470 >>901471 >>901478
>>901448
>Centos packages and kernel are fucking ancient.
And it's stable. Weird huh?
▶ No.901470>>901473
>>901469
Should just run redhat instead
▶ No.901471>>901478
>>901469
Stable means none of the shit I need to run works
▶ No.901473
>>901470
Basically what Cent is.
▶ No.901478
>>901471
>>901469
This. I was playing around with it trying to get a little privatebin instance running, but with an old PHP version, it's a lot harder to do something like that.
▶ No.906792>>906844 >>907962 >>911809
>>893290 (OP)
My distro doesn't have any of these problems.
▶ No.906793>>906795 >>906803 >>906895
>>893591
>fedora
>stability
My sides. Last time I used fedora, yum routinely corrupted it's own package database. Major distro upgrades were literally impossible to do and it would never end up as good as a clean reinstall. You need to install truckloads of 3rd party repositories to get any interesting software.
Arch Linux is vastly superior to this distro: rolling release, up-to-date upstream packages. I never looked back.
▶ No.906795>>906796
>>906793
>arch kiddo can't into big boy distros
made me think.......
▶ No.906796
>>906795
>fedora
>big boy distros
wow
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▶ No.906803>>907962 >>911816
>>906793
I also use Arch now. But I used Fedora in the past, and
>yum routinely corrupted it's own package database.
Never had that problem.
>Major distro upgrades were literally impossible to do
If you mean upgrading from one release to another, I never had problems with that.
>and it would never end up as good as a clean reinstall.
I think that's probably true of any non-rolling release distro or OS. Even OpenBSD, probably, as careful and autistic as they are. Though, tbh, who knows what kind of crap and cruft pacman has left hanging around my system?
>You need to install truckloads of 3rd party repositories to get any interesting software.
The only time I needed a 3rd party repo in Fedora was for multimedia stuff, and I'm not sure that's true anymore now that the mp3 patents have expired. Also, Fedora was (overly?) cautious about including elliptic-curve stuff in OpenSSL because of patents, so I had to compile my own OpenSSL in order to use elliptic-curve keys for ssh and in Bitcoin. Not a huge deal, but it was a bit of a pain in the ass. I think they don't worry about the EC patents now, but I don't know, because it has been years since I've used Fedora.
▶ No.906807
>>893835
>You do realize everything in WinSxS is hardlinked right?
So what? There are real files those hard links refer to. Loading up multiple copies of a library takes time.
And you conveniently ignored anything pertaining to fonts, startup entries, superfluous services (Office C2R service, Windows Defender crap hogging your HDD, Windows search indexer, Google Updater, Prefetch preloading crap, etc.).
>I already know you're just pretend to know about computers on an anonymous imageboard
I'm sure I know better than armchair psychologists like you who base their arguments on confirmation bias.
>>894040
Don't worry anon, Soon you'll get to experience the same cancer on Lunix as software distribution migrates to click'n'run Flatpaks and Appimages so even computer illiterate winbabbies can finally into Lunix.
▶ No.906826
>Red Hat Fedora: proudly at the forefront of pushing botnet and replacing things that did nothing wrong with inferior substitutes since 2004
oh wew
▶ No.906844>>906878
>>906792
>7680x4320
That's a pretty big desktop you got there.
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▶ No.906895
>>906793
When was that? I am using Fedora since the 25 and have gone through two major upgrades without any problem. Also, you only need to install fusion repository to have necessary software, like ffmpeg or MPV
▶ No.906950
>>893465
horse shit
Python 3 is better
▶ No.907696>>908245
>>893290 (OP)
is my favorite distro
▶ No.907895
>>893290 (OP)
> great things
> systemd
▶ No.907962>>908150
>>893290 (OP)
>SystemDick
>They make out with the old ONLY if there's a better alternative.
Why Fedora didn't switch to RunIT then? Don't tell me that you really think that SystemDick is the best init out there. SystemDick is hardly an optimal choice for anything (remember that SystemDick tries to devour all; it's hunger won't be satisfied until it becomes the kernel itself!).
>There's a reason developers prefer Fedora
kek. Have you tried to develop anything on a system that has NSA™ SELincucks? Also, why is Fedora still using yum (or dnf)? dnf should be either switched to something else or it should be improved.
>>893546
>what's wrong with gtk3?
<Oh look! Themes broke again!
>>893822
but Debian is ok distro. well, at least it's better than Fedora, anyway..
>>901440
imo, the real question is why would anyone choose Fedora over OpenSUSE?
>>906803
>elliptic-curve stuff in OpenSSL
Isn't that backdoored by CIA Niggers?
>>906792
This.
▶ No.908150
>>907962
Runit was grossly inadequate when systemd was born. Now systemd does exactly what Redhat wants it to do which is provide a Linux system configuration platform.
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▶ No.911809
>>906792
Cute brown girl you have there. Can I have her for myself?
▶ No.911815
>>893795
An upvote for you, sir
▶ No.911816
>>906803
>I also use Arch now.
Install GHANTOO
▶ No.911822
I use KDE because it has more features that I frequently use over GTK which I find caters more to tablet users than desktop users.
▶ No.911933>>912154
I'm fucking done with Debian and any Ubuntu derivatives. The support and bug fixes are a joke when looking for easy answers. I'm currently in the process of trying to fix a graphics error that was fine this morning and after a reboot no longer displays graphics. Nothing changed at all, and I'm of the opinion that full disk encryption and Plymouth are to blame. This has been a known issue for years on askubuntu and it remains unfixed. Fuck this, I'm going to Fedora.
▶ No.912154>>912190
>>911933
>hate Plymouth
<Switch to fedora
wew
If you are going to switch to Feedora, then at least install RPM Fusion repos. it's the only way to make Fedora almost usable. Oh, and if you happen to do any software development, then pls rember to have fun with NSA SELincucks
▶ No.912190
>>912154
What is the problem to enable one well maintained repository with the patented software Radhat does not want in the main system?
Also, setenforce 0
▶ No.914277
>Python
>not ruby
Python is gay, like BASIC.