▶ No.890428>>890432 >>890435 >>890599
>96 core chip performs better than 16-core chip(s)
You don;t fucking say
It gets more hilarious when you read between the lines and see how abysmal the ARMv8 is in terms of IPC compared to the Power9
Get the fuck out of here with your retarded chink shit
▶ No.890432
>>890428
ARM is such a POS, it honestly took me by surprise.
▶ No.890435>>890439
>>890428
>more cores means better
I bet you also think GPUs are better for everything
▶ No.890436>>890438 >>890827
Now it just needs to be cheaper, have a better ISA, and have more than eight programs available that is able to use fucking 96 cores.
▶ No.890438
>>890436
Not to mention Talos II is mostly, if not all libre firmware and isn't gay chinkshit made by a tranny.
▶ No.890439>>890441
>>890435
The Talos II and Cavium Thunder X are similarly priced hardware so you would expect them to perform similarly. It will be interesting to see how it performs against Xeon and EPYC CPUs.
▶ No.890441>>890442
>>890439
>A CPU should have similar performance for GPU tasks
▶ No.890442>>890443
>>890441
Cavium Thunder X isn't a GPU you brainlet.
▶ No.890443>>890445
>>890442
>GPU tasks have to be run on a GPU
you can't read can you
▶ No.890445>>890446 >>890447
>>890443
>A CPU should have similar performance for GPU tasks
Where did I say this, bitch?
▶ No.890446>>890449
>>890445
>The Talos II and Cavium Thunder X are similarly priced hardware so you would expect them to perform similarly
▶ No.890447>>890449
>>890445
>A great many weak cores doing GPU tasks should have the same performance as many fewer strong cores because they cost the same.
▶ No.890449>>890450
>>890446
>>890447
Ah, I see. You are retarded. Good day, Sir.
▶ No.890450
>>890449
>GPU tasks are how CPUs should be measured
lel
▶ No.890472>>890475 >>890713
>>890426 (OP)
>$2000 motherboard
▶ No.890475
>>890472
>he prefers gimmick gamur rgb motherboards for his government spook ISA
▶ No.890559>>896800
>>890426 (OP)
>POWER9 compiles the Linux kernel in 73.9 seconds
wtf I love gentoo now.
▶ No.890595
Damn, the Talos is really kicking ass.
▶ No.890599>>890601
>>890428
Did you read the article? Talos II still won all but 2 benchmarks.
▶ No.890600>>890704 >>890807
>posts the only bench where the Talos loses against a machine with 2X the core count
>hurry look how bad it is guyze
Go back to halfchan
▶ No.890601>>890797
>>890599
What's the other? I only saw one loss.
▶ No.890704
>>890600
>loses against a machine with 2X the core count
▶ No.890713
>>890472
It's low-volume niche hardware. What did you expect.
▶ No.890797
>>890601
You're right, It only lost in blowfish, I misread.
▶ No.890807
>>890600
It's six times also it only fails on jack the ripper all other tests show the 16 core ibm power9 raping the 96 core thunderX cpu.
▶ No.890815>>890818 >>890827
>preloaded with debian testing
what the fuck
▶ No.890818>>890830
>>890815
Too new to have support in stable maybe?
▶ No.890827>>890830 >>890834
>>890426 (OP)
The only reason john the ripper is slower is because it is designed with high frequency CPU's with less core's in mind. Except with the GPU functions via opencl and the like where it would perform better in high ram and extremely high parrellization workloads like the power9 is built for.
>>890436
Install gentoo you faggot and use opencl applications and go nuts with parrellization. Granted even gentoo isn't meant for this high of parrellization due to glibc being centered around high freq low core count. Needs its own OS to git gud. so this >>890815
▶ No.890830>>890832
>>890818
probably
>>890827
the speed improvements in gentoo are undetectable with powerful hardware. gentoo is pretty much obsolete garbage in 2018. too slow to compile things on old computers, speed undetectable on newer ones. the only thing it has going for it is customization, which servers don't really need.
▶ No.890832>>891098
>>890830
>speed undetectable on new ones
Prove it with benchmarks faggot. At the very least you will save energy/electricity in the very long term with a better idle from applications using less proccessing time. That and by installing gentoo you aren't limited to software devs compile for say debian. You can just compile it and run it yourself. For obscure architectures like power9 its awesome. But in the same breath glibc is shit for such parrellization so its better and more secure just to write a new OS from scratch.
▶ No.890834>>890859 >>891183
>>890827
It also needs its own specific compiler and libraries
https://developer.ibm.com/linuxonpower/advance-toolchain/
These benchmarks for CPU intensive tasks are pretty pointless unless it's being done with software designed to work with PPC beyond having it compile and run in a QEMU VM for a quick test. Which is the case with John the Ripper.
As an ex-PPC user I'm glad many projects make sure the software is portable but you're often stuck with old builds or terrible performance. There hasn't been cheap PPC hardware on the market in almost a decade, the people using old G4 and G5 macs have moved on long ago.
▶ No.891098>>891189
>>890832
>spend hours compiling every DE update
>save energy
▶ No.891183
>>890834
Not to mention, newer versions of some programs have removed Altivec support because of bugs, lack of interest, or programmers familiar with the platform. I was really irritated when I wanted to take my G4 Powerbook and realtek SDR stick out for a drive to see what I could receive, and VOLK (Vector Optimized Library) configured with generic support.
▶ No.891189>>897011
>>891098
>using a DE
OH NO NO NO NO
▶ No.896800>>897012
>>890559
With what options? That statement is meaningless without context.
▶ No.896823>>896851 >>897027
And on single threaded loads that 96 core ARM is slower than a 20 year old Pentium III. Power 9 meanwhile is so fast that x86 emulation on Power is currently the fastest x86 "processor" for single threaded loads on the market.
▶ No.896826
>16 cores BTFOs 96 core in all but one benchmark
>Another benchmark shows the Talos competing with a $3,700 x86 CPU
>this somehow makes the Talos II bad
x86 shills go away, freedom is here
▶ No.896851>>896863
>>896823
How? ARM-based smartphones have long since outclassed old i386 Pentium computers.
Anyway, buy the TALOS if you want. I don't see why you have to shit on ARM boards that are good enough for me or other people who don't need a big workstation.
▶ No.896863>>896890
>>896851
Faster memory and add-on chips like GPU's. And even those only go so far. Have a look at places like https://openbenchmarking.org/ that have results for the same benchmarks over several architectures and generations. (Or do your own benchmarks.) Even all four cores of the latest RasPi still get beaten by single core Pentium III's and AthlonXP's from the beginning of the century in benchmarks where those things don't help.
▶ No.896890
>>896863
Do not use Raspi as a benchmark for all ARM stuff, raspi doesn't even have out of order execution.
▶ No.897011
>>891189
That was just one example of a yuge package with a fast update schedule. Substitute GIMP, any web browser or whatever else fits the bill.
▶ No.897012
>>896800
The same ones as the other CPUs benchmarked. That's all the context you need.
▶ No.897027
>>896823
>And on single threaded loads that 96 core ARM is slower than a 20 year old Pentium III
doubt.jpg
>Power 9 meanwhile is so fast that x86 emulation on Power is currently the fastest x86 "processor" for single threaded loads on the market.
You are so retarded it hurts. P9 is still typically ~30% slower than fastest-clocking Xeons under single threaded workloads. It completely outclasses them in heavily threaded loads though.