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What's the general consensus on ReactOS? Kind of seems like a "worst of both worlds" thing to me (having done little research).
▶ No.881643>>881648 >>883661
Interesting project, but sadly hopeless. The development is way too slow and Microshaft will probably shut them down if they get anywhere.
▶ No.881648>>881661 >>881771
>>881643
Impossible to shut them down legally, they did nothing illegal.
▶ No.881661>>881767
>>881648
nobody said legally
▶ No.881753>>881998
it's like gnu but instead of ripping off unix it is ripping off windows.
▶ No.881763>>947197
>>881637 (OP)
I have some hope for it. I don't think it'll ever go mainstream for consumers, but if it gets good enough and stable enough, I could see it being attractive to the corporate world to replace some Windows workstations or servers since it's free.
▶ No.881767>>898930
>>881661
How would you do that for a russia funded OS
>>881637 (OP)
what both worlds?
It's just windows built from scratch using wine.(which btw helps the wine project)
▶ No.881771>>881775 >>884396 >>901494
>>881648
Big companies can afford to constantly keep suing smaller companies, even if it's something they know the big company can't win. The idea is that the larger company knows the constant lawsuits will drive the smaller one's resources down, probably to the point where it massively affects how the smaller company works. We saw something very similar when Intel helped kill of Cyrix with a ton of frivolous lawsuits Intel knew it couldn't win. But it drained Cyrix of resources to the point Cyrix could no longer make a competitive product.
▶ No.881775>>881815 >>881889 >>898498 >>947436
>>881771
when the bigger company loses a case, they should have to pay the defendants legal fees
▶ No.881786
>>881637 (OP)
It's great, but sadly the development is too slow. There aren't that many devs, testers or donations. They moved to GitHub recently so it might become more popular among the devs. Hopefully they'll provide a viable OS by the end of 2021. It already has some good features, but needs to become more stable. It will never be a 1:1 Windows alternative since some proprietary parts will be illegal to even replicate, or impossible to replicate so any software relying too heavily on the Windows wall garden will be unstable or absent from ReactOS
▶ No.881808>>947197
Unless the russian government starts dedicating teams of programmers to it to try and replace windows, you aren't going to see it actually used as an OS. What you will see is benefits as advancements they make are funneled into Wine.
▶ No.881815>>884396
>>881775
They do, but they'll go to the next higher court before, delaying everything. Have fun paying out of the ass for (((lawyers))) for years. What good is getting your money back if you go bankrupt years before that happens?
The (((legal system))) is rigged in favor of big (((corporations))) which can just bleed their opponents dry before a verdict is reached.
▶ No.881819>>884916 >>898516 >>947623
By that logic GNU, Linux and the BSD forks should have been shut down by UNIX proprietors, and things like Wine or Mono shut down by Microsoft by now.
▶ No.881840>>881841
I never cared for Windows. FreeDOS is ok.
▶ No.881841>>882134 >>947197
>>881840
>freeDOS is okay
No
▶ No.881879>>881883
I wonder if there's a way to take ReactOS's interface and install it on top of current Winblows.
▶ No.881880>>881898 >>881902 >>947402
>>881637 (OP)
If they'd come out of alpha 15 years ago, they could have been game-changing. As it is, they're increasingly irrelevant. There is perhaps some potential utility in ReactOS as a free minimal OS for running Windows-only software in VMs, but these days I struggle to think of any Windows-only software that would make me bother.
They went the way of the HURD.
▶ No.881883>>882073
>>881879
You literally can
▶ No.881889
It's got a long way to go until it's useful. I'm doubtful it will reach that point before fizzling out.
>>881775
It's still a risk that some companies can't afford to take, and even if it was an open and shut case, they would only be paid at the end. Only one side has the ability to pay an all-star legal team for years on end.
▶ No.881898>>881965
>>881880
There's a lot of enterprise software that is wangblows only.
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>>881880
>these days I struggle to think of any Windows-only software that would make me bother
Depends on what you're doing. The only thing I personally use Windows for is video editing.
Apparently DAWs are also something only useful on Windows or OSX because of VST plugin support.
If you aren't doing any of those things, you're in luck
▶ No.881965>>882101
>>881898
True, and if it's functional enough to be a viable VM guest OS running those apps, then I fully support any enterprises that use it to give Microsoft the finger.
So what is the state of ReactOS these days? I played around with it years ago and found it not viable for any serious use.
▶ No.881998>>882130 >>940783
>>881753
there are still movie theaters and atm machines using windows 98 or xp because they never they never upgraded their software. and they continuously rebuy licences, reactos would make it free and more secure.
▶ No.882073>>947197
>>881883
I'd appreciate further information on that regard.
▶ No.882101>>882130
>>881965
It can decently run many (if not most) games pre-XP and even some after that. It can even run Skyrim.
▶ No.882130>>882175 >>882459 >>884704
>>881998
Why not using GNU/Linux with WINE or the comercial version CrossOver?
>>882101
Tnx, good to know.
▶ No.882134>>882136 >>882140 >>882202 >>882519 >>884202 >>899131 >>911987 >>912926 >>947444
>>881841
Aside from their BASIC interpreter, DOS is literally the only decent thing Microsoft ever made.
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>>882134
>Aside from their BASIC interpreter
Which one though?
▶ No.882175>>882680
>>882130
I've never used CrossOver. Is it really what it claims to be or is it some shoddy shit?
▶ No.882202>>882535 >>901490
>>882134
Microsoft didn't make DOS. They didn't make Skype or Minecraft either. They just bought those finished products and made them worse.
▶ No.882236
I tried it a few years ago and it was too broken at the time to run correctly. I don't know if it has made any progress since 2015, when I last played with it.
▶ No.882459>>882680
>>882130
Why not using GNU/Linux with WINE or the commercial version CrossOver?
because they are using code that was written in the 80's or 90's and never upgraded.
▶ No.882519>>898913 >>899208
>>882134
Hey, MSX were the best z80 machines around.
Though, I guess MS's involvement in this project was quite limited.
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▶ No.882680
>>882175
Only used WINE, but only heard good about CrossOver, and it's helping WINE because they contribuate back to it, or at least did since a while ago. Don't need Windows programs, but could imagine to try it for gaming.
>>882459
It doesn't matter how old, as long as no bugs have been found.
▶ No.883472
They still have many years to go before it becomes usable for any non-experimental scenario. I mean, they recently added ultra-experimental NTFS support. Sound is still a broken mess.
I donate to them from time to time but it's just tiny bits here and there.
▶ No.883661>>883706
>>881643
Pretty much this famalam
▶ No.883706>>883721 >>884314
>>883661
Literally anyone can help out and code if they know how. its open source. if you know how to write drivers help out, if you know how to make ui help out. if you can report bugs or try to run programs and get bug reports than do it.
its only as fast as the developers can code in their free time. if a small percentage of linux users decided to code reactos instead of their meme os's it would be out of alpha.
▶ No.883721
>>883706
>GNU GPL 2.0
It's cancer.
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▶ No.884202>>912941
>>882134
IBM went to the doors of Digital Research wanting an OS for their fledgling microcomputer. CP/M-86 wasn't ready, and when Gary Kildall's wife refused to sign an NDA after advised to from DRI's attorney, the IBM execs got butthurt and went to Microsoft who originally pointed them towards DRI. Seattle Computer Products were at the time working on a CP/M-86 compatible system they called 86-DOS. Microsoft bought the rights to this system, told IBM they had an OS for their microcomputer, and a year later there was the IBM PC 5150, running PC-DOS or MS-DOS, courtesy of Microsoft.
When DRI had a working version of CP/M for x86 platforms, and after a series of lawsuits were able to force IBM to provide it as an option for the IBM PC... however it was much, much more expensive than PC-DOS or MS-DOS at the time, so nobody bought it.
Gary Kildall was embittered about it for many, many years up until his death in '94 when he got drunk and fell down at a biker bar.
▶ No.884252
It could emulate BSOD on my rig
▶ No.884314
>>883706
>make drivers
The whole point is that it should be fully compatible with windows drivers, let's not reinvent the wheel too much.
>UI
This is the last thing to worry about. The project is in alpha, a proper UI is something you'd start working on in late beta. And the current UI is fine enough. It's an OS made for old computers and work machines. Any user themes should be separate.
>Linux is a meme
Kys kiddo.
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▶ No.884399
>>881637 (OP)
>can't install via USB because USB has been broken for years
Uh huh...
▶ No.884704
>>882130
>gahnoo slash Linux
God, and here I thought that autism wasn't widespread. Guess I was wrong.>>882130
▶ No.884759>>884764
Has anyone tried running any of the following programs on it yet?
-Valve Hammer Editor
-ZHLT compiler
-Milkshape 3D
-Photoshop CS2
I'd like to relive my teenage years.
▶ No.884764
>>884759
Goldsrc works well in ReactOS. I'm not sure about ZHLT compiler, or milkshape for that matter.
PS CS2 works on Reactos just well.
▶ No.884916
>>881819
they should have tbh
MACH is the future
▶ No.885373
>>881637 (OP)
>caring about AutismOS
kek
▶ No.890157>>947597
RoS is x500 better than Wine but forever reason nobody wants to help develop it, so its moved at a snails pace for 20 years.
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>>881775
A common trick is to use shell companies
▶ No.898508>>912124
Pragmatic question: Has anyone tried leveraging WINE, ReactOS, and genuine DLLs from older versions of Windows to cobble together some sort of extended compatibility environment for running old (particularly from that troublesome post-DOSBox era) software on Windows 7-10?
The most I'm aware of are projects like nGlide, ALchemy, and WineD3D:
https://fdossena.com/?p=wined3d/index.frag
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▶ No.898527
>>898493
>17-year-old bug which was introducing corruption in the file system and which is now finally fixed.
Great. It looks like them moving to github might accelerate the development.
▶ No.898913>>898940 >>947450
>>882519
Underrated. SpectraVideo wants their computer back.
But can it run Linux?
▶ No.898930>>947197 >>950845
>>881767
>for a russia funded OS
With the Russian mob
▶ No.898940
>>898913
>But can it run Linux?
No, but there is another Unix clone for MSX.
http://uzix.sourceforge.net/
▶ No.899131
>>882134
>DOS is literally the only decent thing Microsoft ever made.
Billy boy did not make dos he bought it.
▶ No.899207>>947453
>>881637 (OP)
How hard would it be to port most of the userland to linux and run it in a chroot? I'd love to see this used as an alternative to WINE except capable of running Windows drivers.
▶ No.899208
>>882519
Comfy looking. Nice color scheme as well.
▶ No.899220
>https://reactos.org/
>6,000,000 downloads
Heh.
▶ No.901489>>912122 >>932511
ReactOS 0.4.8
-User Experience
-Support NT6+ (Vista, Windows 8, Windows 10) software and Games
-DrWatson32-any application crashing will create a log file on the desktop.
-Kernel Stability and new features
-boot in 96MB
-Cache Manager bugfix
-Hardware support, NTFS and other drivers
▶ No.901490>>912126
>>882202
microsoft actually improved dos.
▶ No.901494
>>881771
Reactos isn't a company tho, its homemade on peoples spare time and the only money comes through donations.
▶ No.911987>>912078 >>912120
>>882134
FAT's really good for embedded systems, OS/2 was pretty neat, and Windows 95 had one of the greatest and most influential GUIs in the history of computing
▶ No.912078
>>911987
OS/2 was IBM it could have been great
▶ No.912120>>916344
>>911987
Win95 (everything about it) sucked ass compared to MacOS at the time. The only advantage was you didn't need to buy an expensive Mac computer. Trully the plebian choice.
▶ No.912122>>912816 >>912819
>>901489
Is reacto OS already installable and usable (assuming on a laptop)?
I'm afraid it might burn my mobo out of some poor ACPI implementation.
▶ No.912124>>947454
>>898508
Wine on Windows is a pipedream.
▶ No.912126
>>901490
They made a few patches to keep up with new hardware.
Himem.sys support for 1,44 floppies etc
▶ No.912816
>>912122
>Is reacto OS already installable and usable
No. Don't expect it to be until it reaches beta.
▶ No.912819
>>912122
most likely on a P3/P4 desktop equipped with a soundblaster and voodoo3 card
▶ No.912926>>912930 >>912943
>>882134
Except for NT, Windows Phone, DirectX (shit, but it was far better than OpenGL back then), Microsoft Office, the Surface line, their mouses, their keyboards and Azure; yes, they've never made anything decent.
▶ No.912930
>>912926
>old DirectX
>Better than old OpenGL
You're kidding right? In the early days of DirectX, D3D was the poorly supported poor performance API. You only used DX if your GPU was shit or if the game forced it on you.
▶ No.912939
I used to shill for it back in 2015, since it appeared to be the Normie-Cure. If the normalfags didn't want to use UNIX or something else good, ReactOS could be shilled to them as a free alternative. Demoing it, I did enjoy it. However, there seems to have not been much progress since 2015, so idk anymore. I'm tempted to try it again in a VM. It had difficulty installing to some of my machines natively, but I have never had any problems running it on a VM.
▶ No.912941>>912945
>>884202
#RealNews. Microsoft sucks at 100% everything they try to homebrew, all they do is buy and copy the best of the rest.
▶ No.912943
>>912926
I liked my Windows Phone, except for a couple of not-so-minor gripes, and I've gotten a lot of use out of Excel. The rest of the stuff you list is pretty meh. You know you're reaching when you list Microsoft mice and keyboards.
▶ No.912945>>928731
>>912941
I've been saying this for years. The only thing that Bill Gates actually invented was "Altair Basic", which was so easily made that it was copied by almost all of the people that found it. He didn't invent DOS, he ripped-off Windows from other companies, he bought Dr Watson, Zip, and Internet Explorer and destroyed them, Windows uses a fork of the BSD TC/IP Stack. Everything Microsoft has done besides Altiar Basic is something invented by others and poorly maintained. Besides this, Altiar Basic was nothing more than a Basic terminal for the MITS-Altair system. He probably considered the stupid-one in his "Homebrew Computer Club", like that "Nova the Neonfur" was to that SecondLife/DnD group of middle schoolers on /fur/.
How Bill Gsates got popularity was illegal marketing strategies, plagerism, market exploitation, and public de-education programs. Have you ever been to a High School computer-room where Microsoft has given them funding, especially in the 90's? They have lesson plans made by microsoft and posters explaining the "History of the Computer" showing a timeline with multiple versions of DOS at the begining, and then explaining how Windows came in to save-the-day with Graphical User Interfaces.
I hate Bill Gates with a passion, and his pseudo-intellectual White Pajeet Millennial Coffee-Drinking 1990's Grunge programmers who ruined what "IBM Compatible" meant.
▶ No.916344
>>912120
Win95's GUI was infinitely easier to use than MacOS thanks to the start menu
▶ No.926597
Could be the best OS built in existence
▶ No.926703>>926710 >>926746
>>883906
>multi user support on a personal computer
You enjoy cuck porn too, pal?
▶ No.926710>>926771
>>926703
The ironic thing about this is that in the old days (and I mean before Windows and Linux), every PC could function just fine for multi user scenario. You simply brought your own floppy disks and took them with you when you were done. Usually the system had no HDD since they were really expensive.
▶ No.926746>>926768 >>926771 >>927374
>>926703
>He doesn't have a gf or family
▶ No.926768
At least they don't really have to follow a moving target anymore since MS has deprecated win32 and no one cares about uap.
>>926746
where do you think you are?
▶ No.926771>>926774
>>926746
>being too poor to afford separate computers
>>926710
Booting your own media on a stateless hardware is the only way, but with modern UEFI that can turn into a boot malware or be mounted for write under any OS it's impossible to achieve. Having a separate hypervisor read-only partition with isolated VMs for guest use is the most secure way of letting your family use your computer these days.
▶ No.926774>>926823 >>947598
>>926771
>buying extra computers for the sake of it
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▶ No.928538>>928568
>he still pushes the desktop meme when we'll all be on phones in 10 years
Y'all should do some reading once in a while :/
▶ No.928568
>>928538
If all that's left is phones, I'll be using 8-bit computers and microcontrollers.
▶ No.928577
ReactOS has its place the same as HaikuOS. Let's assume at some point, which has been observably happening for a while now, unix principles reach a unsurmountable development roadblock that leaves developers choice of basically rewriting everything or starting from scratch. What then? There are two FOSS systems on reserve to poke and study.
▶ No.928731
>>912945
>>912945
Around Pajeet, in the streets they shit.
▶ No.932511>>933145 >>933149 >>933175 >>947455
>>901489
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT DESKTOP
WHY DID THEY RUIN IT
▶ No.933141>>933154 >>933155 >>933156 >>933325 >>947457 >>951278
btw fun observations of both ReactOS and Haiku:
NO SCREEN TEARING
NO STUTTERING DURING HEAVY FILE OPERATIONS
how could Linux ever fuck up basics so bad? especially the latter, ridiculous that after 27 years of development, when I move few gigas, mouse cursor chops and sound crackles.
▶ No.933145
>>932511
>no fun allowed
ISHYGDDT
▶ No.933149
>>932511
This is just custom .msstyles theme. You can always revert to default Win9x-like experience.
▶ No.933154
>>933141
>how could Linux ever fuck up basics so bad?
My (uneducated) hunch would be: too many moving parts. Linux is highly modular whereas Windows is more tightly integrated (talking about its desktop environment being difficult to separate from the kernel, although I've seen that done in TinyXP) hence fewer moving parts, hence better synchronization. But I'm just a layman so maybe my hunch is wrong. Maybe it's just sloppy coding on Linux.
▶ No.933155>>937451
>>933141
Works for me, I don't have any problem with screen tearing. I use Noveau drivers and Wayland. The mouse doesn't stutter during heavy file operations.
▶ No.933156>>933168
>>933141
>SCREEN TEARING
Stop using the proprietary Nvidia drivers
>STUTTERING DURING HEAVY FILE OPERATIONS
How? No, seriously, how? This doesn't even happen on my old-ass Core2Duo laptop.
▶ No.933168
>>933156
>Stop using the proprietary Nvidia drivers
I'm pretty sure i5 Intel integrated doesn't need those so I don't have those installed.
▶ No.933175
>>932511
I think it looks good.
▶ No.933325
>>933141
>screen tearing
Stop using broken compositors. Even windows has screen tearing, the only thing that removes this is the Aero theme which enables vsync. And w10 has Aero baked in by default and it can't be turned off. So it's literally a non-issue and using "muh tearing" as an argument makes you a retard.
▶ No.933327
>>881637 (OP)
>What's the general consensus on ReactOS
That it being free software does not make windows good
▶ No.937170>>947458
reactOS is just an experiment. leave the poor thing alone
▶ No.937180>>947432
if they can get the features of later versions of Windows Vista into the very efficient XP-like core, they succeeded
▶ No.937181
even with good emulator or transient layer similar to DXVK, they already have combined best of the both worlds for gaming
▶ No.937451
>>933155
I don't have any screen tearing either. I use Gentoo, AMDGPU and X11.
▶ No.940783
>>881998
There are still atm machines that run OS/2, I've even seen one with some custom embedded BSD
▶ No.947197
>>881808
>>898930
>>881763
it doesn't receive or need russian funding as long as it can get corporate sponsorship for its usefulness in niche legacy enterprise cases
>>882073
http://winclassic.boards.net/thread/177/reactos-taskbar-win10-desktop-classic?page=4
>>881841
thres a ton of games and classic software that runs on it as well as a few different GUIs, ts pretty fun to try it out in a vm.
▶ No.947402
>>881880
>I struggle to think of any Windows-only software that would make me bother
oh how I envy your lack of contact with cancerous normalfags
▶ No.947432
>>937180
>duplicate the worst part of each OS
who would you want to inflict such a niggerstein OS on, doctor Noseberg?
▶ No.947436
>>881775
the idea is to make the small company go bankrupt before that happens
▶ No.947444
>>882134
>DOS
>decent
*barf*
▶ No.947450
>>898913
>can an 8-bit microcontroller with no MMU run linux
Hell gno.
▶ No.947453
>>899207
>How hard would it be to port most of the userland to linux
This is literally what Wine is. Most ROS libs were forked from Wine and both projects resync their versions periodically.
>and run it in a chroot?
you obviously can run Wine in a chroot
>except capable of running Windows drivers.
Windows drivers don't run in userspace, retard. Not entirely, anyway. You need an NT-compatible kernel to run them.
▶ No.947454
>>912124
IIRC some autists made it to run in Cygwin.
▶ No.947455
>>932511
>comfy LXDE-like theme
what's so wrong about it?
▶ No.947457
>>933141
>no PulseAudio or other poetteringware
what did you expect?
▶ No.947458>>947500
>>937170
As was linux once upon a time.
▶ No.947500>>947547
>>947458
They both began at roughly the same time. ReactOS got nowhere.
▶ No.947547>>947582 >>947654
>>947500
>They both began at roughly the same time. ReactOS got nowhere.
No. GNU operating system was started being developed in 1983 and Linux in 1991, whereas ReactOS initial relase was in 1998.
>>881637 (OP)
>What's the general consensus on ReactOS?
RMS started GNU to create fully free, unix-like operating system. Unix-like, because Unix was popular at the time.
ReactOS devs say:
<Imagine running your favorite Windows applications and drivers in an open-source environment you can trust. That's ReactOS.
Like what? Proprietary software? I think it's a bit pointless, because it will be always behind Windows at running non-free software and always behind GNU and other unix-like, libre operating systems at running free software. So as OP said "worst of both worlds"
▶ No.947549>>948864
I installed in once and ran a Windows 95 version of calc.exe just to see if it would. It did.
Then I finished college, started a career, had a couple kids, paid off a car, gained about 20 lbs, and arrived at this thread.
ReactOS, it looks like, hasn't changed much.
▶ No.947582
>>947547
The stated goal of ReactOS is to be an open source platform for running people's Windows-based software which will probably be proprietary software. That is the point. ReactOS will develop at a speed much slower than what Windows will do but that's okay. The intended audience will be users who are married to their Windows-based software that isn't necessarily the current state of software. This audience aren't interested in software freedom or taking responsibility over their own computer. They're not interested in the latest and greatest because they'll simply be using Windows Current.
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▶ No.947598
>>926774
>Not being able to spare $300 dollars. Not having any friends to get hand me down parts from.
▶ No.947623
>>881819
I sure wish Mono had been shut down by Microsoft by now, then maybe we'd get less half-assed fucking shit Linux "ports" with it. Sadly it's a great example of the three E's.
▶ No.947654>>947679
>>947547
>1983, 1991
>1998
So Linux had a 7 year advantage in kernel space. GNU is less relevant because android exists and it evolved fast.
ReactOS had an advantage of having Windows and a ton of windows software available which could be tested along ROS. Linux was done mostly from scratch.
Yet ReactOS is over 10 years behind Linux.
▶ No.947679
>>947654
ReactOS is a full OS reimplementation while Linux is a kernel program. It's not so easy to compare them in the way that you did.
▶ No.948864
>>947549
it now plays games mate
▶ No.948951>>948956 >>950860 >>950900 >>951137 >>951142 >>951494
I think both ReactOS and HaikuOS are doing things right. I don't have a lot of faith in unix approach to doing things, and neither do them when you think about it. Systemd settles the question over should system be of many small parts or several components with well-defined responsibilities and API, tipping scale to latter. Same with their GNOME/KDE frameworks, window managers are long dead for regular users.
I'm actually interested in seeing how zippy ReactOS is on real almost latest hardware. Its system requirements are ridiculously low. Anyone know if it can run on Ryzen and Geforce 10-series?
▶ No.948956
>>948951
The system requirements are low because reactos supports pretty much nothing right now
When ReactOS becomes in runnable state and starts supporting windows drivers, I except it to have much bigger requirements than WinXP but less than Win7
▶ No.950845>>950887
>>898930
But Russian govt is the mob.
▶ No.950860
>>948951
>Anyone know if it can run on Ryzen
My guess is no, since Ryzen chipsets' USB controllers can only run in xHCI mode. Unless you don't need keyboard and mouse support, that is.
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>>948951
>Systemd settles the question over should system be of many small parts or several components with well-defined responsibilities and API, tipping scale to latter.
Really now? Those systemd devs all behave like prima donnas attempting to turn systemd into a kernelplus and I swear they get an erection every time their systemd borks some kernel functionality and they go "lol this is an intentional feature, just get the kernel guys to patch the Linux kernel to work with our systemd instead," something that sets off Torvalds, and with good reason. Systemd doesn't settle jack shit except that when you deal with a monolithic toolsuite evidently you get to worry about the serious problems with ego-tripping nazis running the show who suck at security, hate bugfixing things, and hate criticism in general.
It's also fucking annoying the way it tries to turn Linux into Windows type shit, complete with following the Microsoft Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (systemd maintainers took over udev and raped it for non-systemd after promising not to do that, necessitating a fork) and promote FUD about non-systemd where they act like you will encounter mysterious problems and difficulties if you don't run systemd, and in the rare condition you do run into problems because you didn't have systemd installed, the most likely cause is the systemd project itself encroaching on more software as it tries to worm its way into becoming a dependency, inflicting unnecessary bloat and deliberately creating a type of vendor-lock against non-systemd users. Poettering and pals actually tried to submit patches to open source applications so that they would do things the systemd way for basically no other reason than to ensure non-systemd users would need to install systemd if they wanted to keep using the software.
I'd say systemd creates a strong argument against monolithic design, dude.
▶ No.950907>>951134 >>951974
systemdoesn't fucking work
▶ No.951134>>951974
>>950907
Systemd takes the unix philosophy to its exact opposite. Instead of "do one thing, and do it well" systemd is "Do as many things as possible, and let other people worry about how badly it does them."
Systemd views scope creeping into a ginormous monolithic package as a goal unto itself. Rather, it views it as the goal, and lets the rest dangle by the wayside as people complain about inconsistent behaviors, impractical usage scenarios, insane security holes, and lack of transparency on how systemd does its shit. The whole goal of systemd seems to be to be a black box others shouldn't worry about (which is completely not linux-like) while it imports amazing microsoft problems like having to reboot the entire system when systemd needs updates or develops problems or having to reboot because one systemd function borked up and brought down the rest of the system with it through the wonders of unnecessary integration and interdependence in system functionality that has no sane reason being interconnected. The damn thing is structured like a monolith, and the whole thing comes crashing down like one too. I guess if you're a windows user you can enjoy the great familiarity of how systemd gives you svchost.exe type cancer and makes you have to reboot everything as something fucked up or needed updating and stability and security bottoms out, but this shit is a straight downgrade over a proper Linux system.
▶ No.951137>>951697 >>951974
>>948951
Incidentally, (aside from stability, code quality, footprint, and security), the benefit of the UNIX approach vs the systemd monolithic design is choice and freedom. When all your tools perform specific functions, you get the benefit of being able to choose the tool that fits your needs the best instead of being stuck dealing with whatever garbage systemd gave you. It also creates a sort of free market towards doing shit, where if one tool plainly sucks at its job, you wont install it and pick something better instead. In systemd it's "lol you're stuck with our shit anyway" and when shit is fucked up they tell you deal with it (resolved/not-a-bug/low prio=never/etc.) and running systemd is generally an all-or-nothing type deal. That's part of the beauty of systemd interdependence like that. Shit will foul up in ridiculous ways if you try to replace individual parts.
▶ No.951142>>951974
>>948951
Somehow it doesn't surprise me that a systemd fan looks forward to an open source Microsoft Windows.
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▶ No.951278>>951289
>>933141
"btw fun observations of both ReactOS and Haiku:
NO SCREEN TEARING
NO STUTTERING DURING HEAVY FILE OPERATIONS
how could Linux ever fuck up basics so bad? especially the latter, ridiculous that after 27 years of development, when I move few gigas, mouse cursor chops and sound crackles."
Hound the developers about that. Thatll fix it for everyone.
▶ No.951289
>>951278
Nice citation, redditor. Should I show you the way >>>/out/ or will you find it yourself?
▶ No.951290>>952044
>>950900
>serious problems with ego-tripping nazis running the show
>nazis running the show
>not jews
leave nazis out of this you humongous faggot
▶ No.951494
>>948951
Systemd settles the question of whether we do or do not need a GPLv4, and whether or not applying a failed greek political system that relied on people's decency which failed on a species of indecents' time of highest decency to the development of software during such species' time of lowest decency is a good idea.
Funnily enough the closer you get to a benevolent, qualified person with absolute powers being the leader of something, the better it turns out. Weird, isn't it?
The BSD's aren't quite there but they're sure closer than GNU/Linux, and their quality is much higher.
▶ No.951697
>>951137
>when shit is fucked up they tell you deal with it (resolved/not-a-bug/low prio=never/etc.)
Let's not forget the infamous WONTFIX they stamp on so many goddamn major bug reports.
▶ No.951974
>>950900
>>950907
>>951134
>>951137
>>951142
All of this is why I hate systemd. Still, I like the idea of ReactOS, because some of Windows's design choices are superior to the current GNU/Linux environment, even if a lot of them are indeed inferior. Replacing X with Wayland, dependencies on systemd, the gtk file picker, every single file manager's shit in my opinion, pulseaudio... I could go on. Many of the standards people did agree on are shit, and the things that need standards the most don't have them. The most sane way of enjoying Linux is going terminal only - no X, no Wayland, and without systemdicks. Alas, I prefer the GUI for all but a few tools (and batch processing), not for not being smart enough (read the manual) but rather for convenience. By being like Windows, ReactOS has a single window system, manager, display manager, etc. Of course, this does create a single point of failure in terms of botnet, I'll give you that. The more important problem is the lack of FOSS Windows drivers. ReactOS would need those or at least a compatibility layer to run the Linux ones before any freedom minded person would consider it. Then there's the fact that programming on Windows is awful compared to GNU/Linux.
All operating systems are shit in their own way, even if some are shittier than others.
▶ No.952044>>953535
>>951290
>getting butthurt over a nazi mention
>but a jew mention would be just fine
It seems the humongous faggot is you. GTFO, you thin-skinned nigger. This ain't your fucking safe space.
▶ No.953355
its like trying to create a catdog Frankenstein, never gonna work.
▶ No.953535
>>952044
>if I say nigger I'm not reddit
Fuck off