/tech/ - Technology★

>>878369 (OP)

>>878369 (OP)

hold on let me upload my custom gnome skin it's 200mb

>>878394

>modern """minimalist""" CLI programs occupy more ram than most advanced GUIs 20 years ago

>>878404

No shit you dumb nigger that’s why it would be from scratch without bells or whistles just like 20 years ago

>>878406

That looks beautiful, this is the future.

>>878406

utf-8 or ASCII? do we support metacharacters? terminal escapes? right to left override? combining diatrical marks?

>>878439

Emojis only.

>Since apparently we hate flatnimalism now

>now

Are you from 2013?

>>878430

Are you using w3m's image viewer?

I made the image printer to solve captchas, adding it to files was an afterthought. I experimented with w3m but my main use case was solving captchas over mosh/ssh/tmux and w3m uses X in some bizarre way that doesn't play nicely with that.

>>878444

As much as I hate this fucking idea it would be necessary to have normalfags care

>>878439

8-bit ASCII

7-bit is retarded

>>878406

What browser is that?

>>878439

UTF-9, no characters from ASCII or the Basic Multilingual Plane.

>>878439

If it isn’t on the keyboard it shouldn’t be in the OS

>>878465

It's an unreleased python library for interacting with imageboards. Mostly 8chan/8chan-compatible, but also a little Lynxchan.

>>878456

>Are you using w3m's image viewer?

Nope. Wrote my own since I would have needed to dump images to a file instead of just working with a buffer in memory.

IIRC I implemented bicubic sampling for resizing the images to 10 lines tall.

>captchas

I haven't implemented support for solving captchas yet.

>>878476

Is the source of your image printer public somewhere? w3m-img isn't very sane to use.

>>878483

I eventually plan to release my imageboard reader when it's a little more mature. If you are curious in how it works you pretty much just do is open the display and then get the window via the WINDOWID environmental variable. Then you find the subwindow which contains the main text region and create a graphics context for it. When you want to render the image you create a pixmap for it, and then iterate over your image and raw each pixel to it. After that you copy that pixmap onto the window you found earlier.

There's also some extra stuff you need to do to try and detect when you should redraw the images in case they mess with the window.

>>878478

I really like the idea of high resolution font support in a CLI. Terry would call you dangerous.

Fuck off back to cuckchan. Seriously.

>>878497

Epin. Haven't been there in years, but epin anyway. :^)

>>878430

release the source you fucking kike faggot

>>878461

I said only. No filthy letters supported.

flat is for cucklets and biker bros

>>878632

see

>>878489

>I eventually plan to release my imageboard reader when it's a little more mature

i.e. never. polite sage

>>878632

There's some stuff I want to polish up before that else people will complain about the code quality and areas where I need to do more input sanitation. The problem are already labeled I just need to put some time into it to get it presentable.

>>878900

>never

I wish I had all the free time in the world to work on projects like these. Unfortunately it's pretty low priority and I don't have the free time to even get to things that I consider high priority so you are right in thinking that it will take practically forever for me to do so.

>>878632

>>878900

All u gimme-gimme people should just get off your ass and write your own browser. It's probably better if that dude never releases his code.

>>879094

I think he should release his code, and I am writing similar software - what now?

>>878369 (OP)

"Flat design" wasn't popularized without a purpose. I'ts geared towards rapefugees from apefreaka who are utterly confused by crowded interfaces with lots of complicated shapes and many colors. Simplistic shapes in just a few solid colors and lots of empty space so that their brains have a chance to keep up with what's going on is the lowest common denominator which everyone was forced to contend with.

>>878369 (OP)

Who's "we", faggot?

>>879106

Tried but failed to find obligatory newspaper clipping .jpg with nigger quoted as saying "they should make computers easier to use so normal people can get the good jobs".

>>878478

Touch makes zero sense for CLI, which has no use for pointing device to begin with. But it would be great with Oberon-like text UI.

ASCII (or UTF8)

/thread

>>880130

If the character encoding is visible in the aesthetics something is deeply wrong.

Fucking metro or whatever the glorified smartphone UI desgin is ruined flat minimalism for a lot of people, because it tricked them into thinking it is minimalism when it's not - it wastes tons of space and sacrifices readability for some fucked up symbols no one gets.

>>880187

Shut up and take my unadjusted 2006 US dollars!

>>880187

Disgusting tbh

>>880187

I fucking NEED this.

>>880158

Agreed. Interfaces from that time are arguably most clean and functional without getting in the way but not being dumbed-down either. Classic NT5 explorer, Gnome 2 and KDE 3 were the a high point in OS UI design.

>>880322

You only think they're better because of nostalgia goggles and "cool reddit retro" bias. You should leave.

>>880341

Nice projection there. It is not wrong to have a good opinion about a style that was used in the past.

>>880158

First is perfection. Second is fine. Third nice, and better than Gnome3.

>>880187

Form over function. Total bloat.

>>880469

.>>880471

These are all good.

>>878478

They already have touch terminals on cellphones. It's godawful.

>>880341

No. I think they're better because they objectively are, and I'm using a similar UI right now. You, on the other hand, are apparently a kiddo who still swallows everything that is presented to you as "new and shiny" and who thinks that it's better on those grounds alone, unable to recognize it for the garbage that is possibly is.

>>880613

>that is possibly is.

*that IT possibly is

>>880471

>Dimmu Borgir

Fuck, that takes me back

>>880540

It's strange how they just reinvented the same interface but made it more resource intensive and run worse.

>>878369 (OP)

For all the newfags here >>>/cyber/

Or if you want to push the envelope try "textpunk"

>Newspaper articles, BBSs (like this one), IRC, ASCII art, Kopipe, program source code, Novels, View HTML source, Google search engine, Mathematics, Hieroglyphics, The Rosetta Stone, Gutenberg Bible...

>A textpunk doesn't sit there waiting for information to be slowly fed to him drip at a time by the gogglebox. A textpunk is thirsty for knowledge and 100% focused - they read old school hacker textfile zines. They don't waste their time with lame imageboarders: instead they're doing crazy abstract shitposting on /prog/ with thoughts and concepts twisted up so with many levels of irony that it becomes an art form.

>Textpunks recognize and understand the true power of kopipe - how a well crafted piece of text can be so damn powerful that it alone can trigger thousands of replies with so much veracity within days. They see through things down into the core of what really counts, everything in the computer is built of text, ascii, strings of bits - They don't care about the latest 3D GUI environment fads. No, that's just a distraction. 7-bit clean ascii program source code. That's textpunk.

>Look at how text has shaped humanity: The birth of writing systems was correlated with some of fastest advances of science and technology in early human history. Mass production of the Bible took power away from a few select monks and democratized paving the way for people to start thinking for themselves. Programming is text and it's the closest thing there is in the world to true wizardy and spell casting. Talking about real SICP-type programming here, not that modern garbage.

>Today textpunks build up digital libraries of books and stick it to the copyright cartel. Schwarz, lib gen, the gentoomen library, and so many anonymous sources that tireless scan and collect books.. Textpunks are the people in tune with modern digital society of ultrafast cost-free transmission of text, they're the ones rethinking and revolutionizing publishing mixing it with open rights and making works available online.

http://archive.is/Jhxmv

Only tty looks good. But for some reason it fucks up my graphics card. So I'm stuck with the abortion of aesthetics on X.

>>879106

Flat design was made popular because it's easier and quicker to produce. You can tell any retarded pajeet to make a bunch of solid colored squares and rectangles for a GUI and they'll make it happen.

>>883072

What graphics card is this? Every computer should be able to run plain text console.

>>880469

The only 3 90's OSs that really mattered.

>>880317

https://www.enlightenment.org/

Also remember to buy some Apple stock, if you manage to catch a time machine ride to 2006.

>>883253

>Obj-C is the best C variant ever made

Can you name a few (preferrably recent) non-graphical Objective-C programs? I only ever hear about it in the context of iOS, Cocoa and *STEP, and that makes me suspicious that it's only ever used by people who are forced to.

>>883268

Not him but Obj-C is literally just regular C with 12 new keywords and a new syntax feature. If you know C, you already know most of Obj-C.

A lot of C-first programs use it in parts in order to avoid C++bloat. Find a C program on github and assuming that it's not a videogame, there's a good chance that the language details will have some Objective-C.

Most pajeets just use C2 though because it's easier but Obj-C is a much simpler design.

The correct aesthetic is Emacspeak. Visuals are for losers.

>>883281

>nightmode

>high contrast

stupid ricer faggot

>>883253

What the fuck is the move order on that chess game?

1.) E4, E6

2.) E5, Nc6

3.) Nf3, Nb8

4.) Nc3, Nc6?

You don't need new apps you just need to learn how to play chess...

>>883369

It's a Reti Opening "countered" by e6.

Why are you pretending to be good at chess and criticizing a 4 move game in a glamour shot?

>>883377

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Explain to me how it's 4 moves in and black only has 2 pieces developed. Either you're a low level club player who is playing against 800 ELO bots to bolster your ego, or so retarded to think that developing a knight only to retreat it back on the next move is a "counter"

>>883382

Stop with this lame tryhard shit, you look gay.

>>883383

That isn't even a Reti open either. Don't get butthurt and call me a tryhard because you can't even beat a chess bot 200 ELO below a first time player.

>>883385

>elo

What's elo?

>>883387

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

The most widely accepted way to gauge the ability of a chess player/bot. 1200~ is the average player, where Grandmasters are around 2600 iirc

>>883377

>Why are you pretending to be good at chess

>>883383

>Stop with this lame tryhard shit, you look gay.

BTFO in one post

>>883393

>>>/chess/

>>>/autism/

>>883410

?

But I'm on Gentoo right now.

>>883085

That's true also, one does not exclude the other. Schlomo makes Pajeet make flat shit tailored to Pajeet, Ahmed, and Jamal, while both Chad and Pepe have to contend with it.

>>883279

>>883281

First time I see tiling wm looking actually photogenic.

Introducing non-terminal programs would break the magic I guess

Do you toggle night mode with https://github.com/zoltanp/xrandr-invert-colors or something similar?

>>883279

>>883281

But terminal instances aren't really usable for shell if they aren't at least 80 characters wide. Lots of shit won't look or even work correctly with a low column count.

>>883121

An old Radeon. It would overheat badly and cause hardware failures if I switched virtual consoles. Doesn't seem to be a problem atm though so I guess they fixed whatever thing they broke.

>>883451

I don't use "xrand-invert-colors" program.

I got another script from the net but can't remember where. It's much more simple.

Here is the full code:

#!/bin/bash
DIR=$(dirname $0)

# get terminals opened by user
TERMINALS=($(ls -l /dev/pts/* | grep $USER | awk '{print $10}'))

if [[ -e "$DIR"/themes/"$1".sh ]]; then
  source "$DIR"/themes/"$1".sh

  MAX=`echo ${#TERMINALS[@]} - 1 | bc`
  for i in $(seq 0 $MAX); do
    printf "\033]10;$foreground\007" > ${TERMINALS[$i]}
    printf "\033]11;[$opacity]$background\007" > ${TERMINALS[$i]}
    printf "\033]12;$cursor\007" > ${TERMINALS[$i]}
    printf "\033]17;$highlight_bg\007" > ${TERMINALS[$i]}
    printf "\033]19;$highlight_fg\007" > ${TERMINALS[$i]}
    printf "\033]708;$border\007" > ${TERMINALS[$i]}
    for j in $(seq 0 15); do
      printf "\033]4;$j;${colors[j]}\007" > ${TERMINALS[$i]}
    done
  done
else
  echo "No theme named "$1" available!"
fi

For this to work you need to have a themes folder along with it. In the themes folder have a theme, say dark.sh. It should look like this:

# Dark

opacity=100
highlight="#a8a19f"
border="#000000"
foreground_bold="#ffffff"
cursor="#a8a19f"
background="#000000"
foreground="#ffffff"

# defining color0, …, color15
colors=(
"#8862a7"
"#c74064"
"#64c740"
"#c7a340"
"#4064c7"
"#a340c7"
"#40c7a3"
"#b18bd0"
"#8862a7"
"#bb004b"
"#64c740"
"#c7a340"
"#4064c7"
"#a340c7"
"#40c7a3"
"#b791d6"
)

after that just invoke the script with the theme name in parantheses.

I also have a script that just seds /colors/,$d and >> cats my color scheme to xdefaults, it also changes the background with xsetroot. and some other trivial stuff that you can probably figure it out.

Also the non-terminal apps I use are mostly for pdf (zathura), feh (image), mpv (video) and qutebrowser. I think only the browser ruins the beauty, but I'm trying to slowly switch to w3m.

>>883462

Honestly I have no idea about the problem you're talking about.

>>883390

>implying chess takes intelligence instead of just memorization while looking ahead 10 moves

>some 10 year old autist recently had a 2000 score but couldn't even tie his own shoes

>>883499

If you're just looking to create maximum butthurt then replace all the fat mutts with RMS's lard ass and try to capture the "GPL is a virus" meme.

>>878489

tl;dr

>>883988

Why did you bump the thread to show your illiteracy by not being able to read the short paragraph I wrote?

>>883279

> 1366x768

Is this actually usable with such small terminals? I figured that people who use tiling WM's would probably have a big monitor. I also have a craptop and just run a big xterm with screen or tmux. The later can even split a window into panes, if needed.

Motif/CDE is the sexiest. I even use a Solaris GTK2 theme for that yellow/purple/gray godness.

>>884103

You. You refuse to invest your development time into writing the software you want to see.

>>884105

Hard to do when nobody is willing to use GNUStep fam.

Is C too hard for these Rust/Python/Swift/Kotlin faggots?

>>884106

>GTK isn't C

found the LARPer

>>884132

Tag: implemented-in::vala, suite::gnome, uitoolkit::gtk

>>884139

Read the page pol

Language Bindings (or 'wrappers') allow GTK+ to be used from other programming languages

>>878369 (OP)

Subtle niggerhate design cues embedded in large corporate web 3.11 apps.

>>878406

Nice.

>>878439

Unicode was a mistake, like letting women vote. It's the XML of text encoding and it will never stop increasing in complexity.

>>880840

To think, that nigger's turdbaby is now a Rust core team member.

>>881887

Praise be to Terry.

>>878369 (OP)

Getting sick of something is a thing, op.

>>885032

What's the alternative to Unicode?

>>885044

Maybe he's talking about UTF-16 and hasn't heard of the superior UTF-8.

>>885044

>>885056

ASCII.

>>885044

EBCDIC.

>>885062

ASCII doesn't support moon runes.

>>885066

So?

>>885067

It doesn't support ∈ or ∀ or ∅ either

>>885044

Whatever your computer has defined in hardware, i.e. what you get when you boot it without any hard disk or other storage.

>>885069

Who cares? The alternative is the infinite complexity of Unicode specs that are nearly impossible to completely and correctly implement. It's garbage.

>>885069

And why exactly do you need those in your terminal? You can get all those symbols and tons more with LaTeX or other such program.

>>885072

There is a computer OEM firmware for every language and such components translate well with other languages?

>>885075

What if I want to put them in my posts?

>>885073

>infinite complexity

Brainlet detected. Unlike UTF-16, UTF-8 works with the standard library functions instead of nothing special variants.

There's two main things you have to worry about. Using a random index into the string and getting the string length. With UTF-8 it's easy to handle this by knowing what a byte starts in binary:

0: Single byte character aka ASCII

11: First byte of a multibyte character

10: Every other byte in a multibyte character

>>885088

I'm on the pro-unicode side here, but I don't think you understand at all what this is about.

You're not talking about unicode, you're talking about unicode encoding. Great! Now you know which code point each byte sequence represents, and it wasn't that hard. But how are you going to display it?

>>885091

That's a completely different problem and relates to font rendering.

>>885088

Then after you scratch the surface you learn it's not nearly as simple as you think.

>>885079

You don't need to translate between languages to operate your computer. You just need for it to be in a language you understand. So that's all the hardware needs to support.

>>885103

If you just want a basic way to do it, you do the same as ASCII, but dynamically load Unicode blocks at runtime instead of having just ASCII loaded the whole time.

>>878369 (OP)

Rice is back bayyyybeeee

>>878369 (OP)

NeXTstep

Workbench 3.1

Everything after is pretty much shit.

>>883253

>Make more GNUStep apps please!

No, someone will invite too much internationalization bloat again

Grey is GOOD

Gray is YOUR FRIEND

All hail

>>878406

There is hardly anything as beautiful as color highlighted Terminus.

>>885408

Grey is for girls and homos. Ember on black is where it's at.

No love for B/W themes on e-ink displays?

>>885458

We're talking about gooeys, anon. Matte concrete grey, not boring aluminum aka matte-silver. This is software, not hardware.

>>885459

>>885408

From a design standpoint, there is nothing good about grey unless you are going for some sober hicontrast theme. Grey only goes with grey, so you better forget about colours ever looking good. That said, you can circumvent this by shifting your greys very slightly towards some colour, in which case you can build a fitting palette.

>>878394

I love me some monochrome/1bpp displays, wether they be OLED or E-ink. If the touchscreen on my eReader didn't break I'd be using it as my main device for text stuff.

>>883531

And there are even more people who can tie their shoes and not play chess. What's your point?

>>880469

>>880471

Well, a few of these are still around in some form or another, so let's go down the list.

>SGI IRIX

A bunch of the 4DWM source and some apps got released and some lone (German?) developer named Eric is forking it into a Linux desktop called MaXX Interactive. Development seems to be halted, which is disappointing. He hasn't uploaded any source code changes since like 2009 I don't think, but here's a link to what is there:

http://dev.maxxinteractive.com/trax/maxxdesktop/browser

>NeXTSTEP

This is obviously available as GNUStep. Most of the novelty is tied up in the UI and apps, so it's not like you really need the Mach kernel underneath to get the full user experience. Just run GNUStep on any Unix-like OS and you've got something far better.

>OS/2 Warp

There's actually a company that got permission from IBM to reverse engineer the kernel, desktop shell, and other parts of the OS to apply modern features and security patches and redistribute it, mostly for embedded machines like ATMs or CNC machines that still run OS/2. You can buy the personal edition for $129 and it runs well on Core2 laptops.

https://www.arcanoae.com/

>BeOS

There's an operating system called Haiku OS that looks and feels exactly like it with excellent driver support and a growing number of packages on the AMD64 port. The i386 port has some binary compatibility with BeOS legacy apps. There are also PPC and ARM ports in progress.

>>885408

>gray

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/chriskempson/base16-xresources/master/xresources/base16-grayscale-light-256.Xresources

>>888126

You're doing that faggot thing again:

> It needs this, it needs that

Instead of:

> I'm doing this, I'm doing that

>>888141

>you can't cirticize X, where is your version of X

Go die, faggot.

I unironically like 90s UI's alot better than I did before after this thread.

>>884103

source

>>888165

It's from a video https://youtu.be/cXLqWAc0VJM

>>888156

Old GUIs look bad on modern screens because of higher resolution and muh widescreen.

Proportions are all wrong.

>>888300

There is no conceivable workflow that is all terminal windows, therefore TWM are useless.

>>888349

calculating artillery firing solutions :^)

>>880158

Third one is the best. You can get that look by default in Salix XFCE or Mate editions.

>>883382

>ELO

Dumb nigger detected, the guy who you're arguing with is even dumber though