/tech/ - Technology★

>>873079 (OP)

> stability, security

Most alternative init systems are more stable and more secure than poetteringware.

Also a package managerhas notbing to do with your choice in init system.

If you like apt it's available on devuan, antiX

If you like pacman(lel) there is the option for openrc on arch(or i think there was)

Gentoo can uses openrc and i think you can install systemd on it

If you want something like arch but more stable and dont care about packages use void

>>873088

Although systemd has gotten more press for being "insecure" that's because it gets more views from angry readers, SysV is much more vulnerable to attacks than systemd. Stability has also improved last time I checked

P.S. I'm using MX Linux, a distro that uses SysV instead of systemd.

What "security" are you talking about if an init system doesn't let me connect to a VPN without leaking my DNS queries to Google out of the box? I just want the fucking thing to work, not to fiddle with bash scripts and hacking iptables rules.

>>873108

Source?

>>873098

its almost like there are only two possible /sbin/init variants

why the fuck is this gay ass thread still up

another init thread

>>873111

That wasn't my point, retard

>>873079 (OP)

Got BTFO too hard in the other thread eh Red Hat shill?

Just go shitpost on Reddit, the adults are talking here.

>>873117

Which thread?

And why would you avoid an operating system because of its init system exactly?

>>873120

Google spyware and the attitude that lead to its inclusion.

>>873121

Give sources to your claims

>>873079 (OP)

All the distros are almost the fucking same. Its these details that matters. They are all one of a few kernels, one of a few package managers, they all have the same libraries and shit installed on all of them with slightly different names. Init system is a big piece of that variation. You know all these different linux distros are 99% the same shit right? Init system is one of the few big pieces that is meaningfully different.

>>873124

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=761658

>the community project OpenNIC is "lunacy"

>DNS by the biggest data kraken in the world is good

>>873131

Oh shit

Well thanks for being the first person on this board to actually give me a solid reason to avoid it

>>873079 (OP)

Avoiding an entire operating system because it's overrun with anime avatarfagging cuckchan attention whores is another good reason.

>>873132

If you configure systemd to handle your DNS you should change the default settings don't you think? resolved is disabled by default.

>>873141

>resolv.conf

>not resolvconf.conf

not resolvconfconf.conf

>>873141

For your convenience, so you do not need to bother your pretty little head with these details~

>>873143

If you did not set up DNS it should not work. It is not their business to decide what DNS server others should use, and even less to pick one from a multinational corporation that makes its money off of personal data.

>>873150

Also it is planned to make it default in the future. SystemD consumes.

>>873150

>multinational corporation

see >>873139

>pootering said

>We can't really know which one is the right one, we default to the "corporate" one though.

>>873153

lol

Firstly I am going to sage.

Secondly I will say that there is nothing at all wrong with Devuan. It's like Debian with a fembian-free side order of fries

I'll avoid operating systems for a CoC.

Please fuck off to reddit.

Stop worrying about bloat? Really, bigger?

>>873178

This "bloat" means nothing in the long run of operating your computer. Have some proper sense of perspective.

>>873179

This is absurd, every iota of unnecessary bloat and processing decreases the life of your computer. Why do you think Windows was designed the way it was?

>>873153

Just to add to this shitpost.

<hurrr bsd users are corporate cucks

>systemd license GPL2

>still corporate shitware

GNU license shitters eternally btfo

>>873180

jesus you're retarded

>>873129

And this is a GOOD thing. It makes LINUX much easier to support.

>>873181

Uh, systemd is LGPL.

>>873198

Even worse.

>>873203

Exactly as planned...

>>873181

>enables things without reading the manual

>butthurt when they do things he doesn't intend

>>873159

> Why is a "corporate" solution needed when the problem has been long fixed in the first place?

It could be because of:

-Incompetence.

-Bad management

-Reinventing the wheel (but badly because you're incompetent or sniffing your farts so much that you don't realize it)

-CIA niggers

>>873131

On Sun, 2015-03-29 at 05:57 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:

> From resolved.conf(5):

>

> Any per-interface DNS servers obtained from

> systemd-networkd.service(8) take precedence over this setting, as do

> any servers set via DNS= above or /etc/resolv.conf. This setting is

> hence only used if no other DNS server information is known.

>

> > I would like to propose that we either provide no default fallback,

> > or chose to support OpenNIC that way.

> This default is not used as long as a resolver has been configured by

> the system administrator or provided by DHCP, and I see no value in

> allocating development time to break cases which currently work by

> removing support for a default.

Wouldn't it be then the naturally expected result that DNS recursion

simply fails and not built-in resolver of some data and money greedy

company is used?

If I haven't DNS configured, I probably don't want it to happen - and if

I do, then I will very quickly notice that it doesn't work and can

easily correct it.

The amount of privacy leakage that sums up these days in Linux and also

Debian is really disturbing.

The masses whine about mass surveillance and we have nothing better to

do than just making live of spy and tracking companies as easy as

possible.

I'm probably used to, that all kinds of GNOME programs leak my peers to

gravatar (and even that the respective upstreams are quite hostile, when

one tells them they have privacy issues)... but now we start such things

even at the lowest system level?

Simply disturbing.

> Since the Google resolvers are a very reliable widely anycasted service

> which third parties are encouraged to use they actually look like a sane

> fail-safe default, hence I am closing this bug.

Well and I'm sure the NSA is best in storing data safely - nevertheless

I wouldn't want them to provide me their "friendly backup services".

I'm really not inclined to start another security discussion, since

that's already lost cause in Debian... but the appropriate way would be

to reopen this bug, solve it so that no data/privacy leakage happen...

or perhaps to retitle Debian Windows, since apparently we're at the best

way to become a system where everything works with many colours out of

the box, but no longer under control or possessed by the user/admin.

Cheers,

Chris.

savage

>>873079 (OP)

systemd has been a buggy piece of shit every time I tried to use it.

>>873146

>glibc in charge of anything

>>873124

Your post has been closed, WON'T FIX.

It just so happens that no systemd-default system has any of those traits. Nothing to do with the init system.

>>873228

>the lesbian distro gets pozzed

A few years ago I'd have said this was physically impossible.

>>873231

there's other dedicated programs you can use if you dislike systemd

>>873131

>major fsf distro chooses to support proprietary DNS over fsf backed, community run DNS

Really activates my almonds.

Operation Orchestra is looking more realistic.

>>874538

>le defaulting to google servers when no nameserver is detected!!1!1!

this never happens in actual use, fag

>>873079 (OP)

<the master process that rules all other userland processes is somehow nothing to worry about

That is the dumbest thing I've ever been told by a faggot, and I lived in California for years.

>>874541

>It rarely happens so sending every site you visit to this one advertising company is okay

>>874545

Nice strawman, faggot. Just like you shouldn't run random commands without knowing what they do you should not enable random services without knowing what they do. It's called being a system administrator, and taking responsibility for your own system.

>>874533

Debian isn't fsf.

>>874557

Never heard of that before.

>FUD

>Play GPL vs BSD card

>Once trust is in place - Affect code direction & quality

>Do: General Code obfuscation

>Do: Misleading docs

>Do: Deceptive defaults

Creepy parallels

>>874557

Interesting.

Here is the accompanying video if anyone is wants it

https://video.fosdem.org/2014/Janson/Sunday/NSA_operation_ORCHESTRA_Annual_Status_Report.webm

>>874600

>>874602

>Play GPL vs BSD card

Agree with everything else, but a discussion about what kind of license suits a given software and situation best in not necessarily a JTRIG psyop. Let's not forget that the GPL protects software from being turned proprietary, something permissive licenses don't. Also, I'd like to add that many people divides free licenses into two caps: permissive and copyleft. There is another one called intermediary, to which the LGPL belongs: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-compatibility.html. That said, maybe it's better if we insist on GPL-compatabilty instead of GPL.

Find a license from this list: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses

Ignore everyone from this list: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses

>>874557

Man he's right about needing politics solve this, but unfortunately as soon as politics get involved you get a bunch flaming faggots bringing up unrelated bullshit. I guess we just need to gas them all before we can even dream of anything useful being accomplished.

>>874663

Fuck off license fag. If you read/watched the rest of the talk you would have determined that it literally makes no difference if its proprietary or your particular flavour of free. Of course since you are a follower of the GPL it doesn't suprise me that the only thing you care about is "muh license."

>>874663

nsa pls go.

>>874693

Bullshit. The reason they have to go through the effort of manipulating documentation, giving themselves plausible deniability and so on is because it is free software, and your cuck license lets them make it proprietary that makes subverting it much easier and even easier to hide.

>>874663

The point is that is blocks consensus, they are seldom educated/informative posts and are generally in threads where they don't belong. It is a rare occurence that licensing posts have any meaningful value and serve a purpose other than to divide and distract.

>>874697

>your cuck license

case in point.

>>874590

Dude, just change the defaults! Nobody is forcing anybody to use the defaults!

>>874602

>what if

What if Stallman was a CIA mole? What if Linus is a KGB agent?

OMG abandon ship autists we were the botnet all along

>>874969

shill/retard that should lurk and stfu detected.