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https://devuan.org
Looks like they dropped on Valentine’s Day. I’ve been running ascii for a while now but I upgraded from Jessie using apt.
If you like the Debian way of doing things but hate Poettering, this is a great distro.
▶ No.872816
>>872814 (OP)
>https://devuan.org
>Looks like they dropped on Valentine’s Day.
what?
▶ No.872818>>872823 >>872834 >>872961 >>872981 >>873009 >>873032
Can I run systemd on it?
I'm asking because they make a lot of noise about "init freedom", and I voluntarily want to run systemd. I've used other init systems and I'm interested in a distro with good support for them, but it would be silly to use a distro that doesn't support my first choice.
So: does it support systemd?
▶ No.872823>>872833
>>872818
>asking the tough questions
well, arch defaults to systemd, but with a little effort anyway you can get it to use openrc...
▶ No.872833
>>872823
If you're going down that road, just use Debian. It has proper support for OpenRC, believe it or not. It even has multiple ports that don't support systemd at all because they use different kernels.
▶ No.872834>>872961
>>872818
By init freedom I assume they mean between non-system===D inits since they are not as engrained in the system. I'm sure you could run it but it would be a lot effort going completely against the purpose of the distro. It's being crontrarian for the sake of being crontrarian.
sageing because we don't need another shitty distro thread
▶ No.872903>>872906 >>872963
>>872814 (OP)
their repos contain packages that'll install certain components of systemd and will brick your system, MX Linux is better maintained
▶ No.872906>>872986 >>873024
>>872903
>systemd is problematic
>nvidia proprietary drivers are actively supported
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▶ No.872955>>872978
God that logo sucks. It looks more like "xvuan" than "devuan".
▶ No.872961>>872964
>>872818
>>872834
Yes, you can install systemd in Devuan. The point of Devuan is that they recompile and reconfigure any package that requires systemd, to not require systemd.
▶ No.872963>>872993
>>872903
That's only in Devuan Unstable and Testing. Devuan Stable doesn't do that.
Either way you can configure apt to not install systemd or any of it's components, so it's not a problem.
▶ No.872964>>872977
>>872961
Do they package systemd?
▶ No.872977>>872984
>>872964
Devuan is compatible and uses Debian repositories for everything except packages that require systemd. The Devuan team only repackages and reconfigures packages that require depend on systemd or conflict with other packages.
So yes, as a rule of thumb, if it's packaged for Debian, it's packages for Devuan.
▶ No.872978
>>872955
make a better one
maybe with some manga girl
▶ No.872981
>>872818
It'll work fine if you compile your own packages or get a new repo
▶ No.872984
>>872977
Ah, the different release names made me think it was more of a fork. That sounds reasonable.
▶ No.872986
>>872906
>by actively supported you of course mean they're in non-free which is kept totally separate and volunteeers do all the work
Archfaggot?
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▶ No.872993
>>872963
share that knowledge
▶ No.873002
>>872991
yeah the distro I'm on Good Life Linux has an XFCE version, I need to switch or figure out how to set up version 3 or 3.3 of open gl though
▶ No.873005
>>872991
Devuan Star seems to have a much more recent XFCE too
▶ No.873009
>>872818
>Can I run systemd on it?
Of course, you just have to install debian
▶ No.873012>>873014 >>875124
I don't like neither Debian's way of doing things and neither Poettering. What's left for me?
▶ No.873014
>>873012
devuan with jack or whatever instead of pulse?
▶ No.873024
>>872906
i said systemd was problematic because the distro uses sysv, dumbass
▶ No.873032>>873035
>>872818
They are the choice if you *don't* want to run systemd. That's the point of talking about freedom; there is now a choice.
Jesus, you systemd supporters are fucking retards.
▶ No.873035
>>873032
He's not a systemd supporter you redditposting retard he's a shitposter, and you fell for his bait.
▶ No.873056>>873062
Why some popular DEs don't support non-systemd inits? All of the available choices outside of the scope of systemd is dogshit, at least in my opinion.
▶ No.873062>>873081
>>873056
I can't possibly imagine what you are talking about. They all work on gentoo without systemd just fine. Gnome requires you to use an overlay if I'm not mistaken. Also gnome works on openbsd so it definitely works without systemd. If you meant to ask why are there no non-shit DEs period then I don't know.
▶ No.873081>>873219
>>873062
Well, I mistakenly assumed that lots of DEs (GNOME, KDE, Cinnamon etc.) doesn't work with non-systemd distros when I couldn't find an option to install them while I was checking out Devuan installer in a VM. Might as well install gentoo then.
▶ No.873163>>873337 >>873598
>stretch
>in development
<meanwhile antix/mx linux have upgraded to stretch months ago
Devuan is dead. Use MX or Antix. I would recommend Void too, but they are ponyfags, so never mind.
▶ No.873219>>873317
>>873081
Devuan has every DE except GNOME.
▶ No.873317>>873530
>>873219
Does it package CDE?
▶ No.873337
>>873163
>he fell for a shitpost
▶ No.873384
>dropped
Drop, v.: to give up on an effort; to abandon something; to defecate.
▶ No.873530
>>873317
It has everything Debian has, so yes CDE is in there. As is Windowmaker.
▶ No.873598>>874034
>>873163
Void is pretty decent aside from the gimmicky package manager
▶ No.874034
>>873598
What don't you like about XBPS?
▶ No.874037
But I hate Debian and don't dislike systemd.
▶ No.874330>>874349 >>874353 >>874729 >>874890
>triple-boot Debian, Arch, FreeBSD
>triple-boot Devuan, Slackware, OpenBSD
Which of the two would you choose if you had to pick one?
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▶ No.874353>>874409 >>874729 >>874822 >>874890
>>874330
>Debian: good
>Arch: meme tier
>FreeBSD: meme tier
>Devuan: worse than Debian because the maintainers are stupid (read the whole Bastille Linux debacle). Absolutely unreliable meme tier; just use Debian with OpenRC if you are a systemd hater
>Slackware: wouldn't personally use it, but I can see the appeal. Very comfy.
>OpenBSD: not informed enough on it.
Would pick the first one and drop everything but Debian.
▶ No.874409>>874725
>>874353
>unreliable meme tier; just use Debian with OpenRC if you are a systemd hater
The packages still contain systemD crap. Devuan gets rid of that shit.
▶ No.874725
>>874409
There's still Poetteringware in Devuan, it comes with Pulse for example. It's easy to replace though.
▶ No.874729>>874733
>>874330
Change Slackware to Void Linux
>>874353
You can't just change the init in Debian without running into issues.
▶ No.874733
>>874729
Can confirm, I have a computer with Debian and with systemd removed, it was a bit of a process and some stuff still doesn't work 100% like sleep on lid close. Mostly because I'm lazy though, there are ways to fix it all up but it's an entirely manual process. If you want to stop systemd from being pulled in as a dependency, you have to pin it manually for instance.
On the other hand you can convert a working systemd-infected Debian into a non-Poetteringware OS if you want, and it could be easier than a reinstall. For a desktop it'd be easy and I even did it on the RPi3.
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▶ No.874822
>>874353
>Bastille Linux debacle
I can't if I don't know where to look.
Also Bastille doesn't seem to use HTTPS so I don't think I would trust their "security."
▶ No.874890>>874902
>>874330
>>874353
>Debian: good
>Arch: good
>FreeBSD: it's performance-focused but it's still BSD so you still can't do anything on it, inferior OpenBSD
>Devuan: absolute meme
>Slackware: Wizard-tier, it's better to stay away from it, not worth it
>OpenBSD: god tier
There is nothing wrong with arch, it is genuinely the best rolling release distro available, and while the AUR isn't the most reliable thing it's still very comfy not having to look for the compile-time dependencies one by one every time you want to build a package that isn't in the main repos.
▶ No.874902
>>874890
debian: good
arch: unstable shit
freehugsbsd:
openbsd: good for servers
devuan: terribly maintained distro
slackware: clusterfuck without a frontend for its package manager, otherwise decent
▶ No.875124>>875254
>>873012
You should install Gentoo or Crux.
▶ No.875165>>875167 >>875171
>Debian: systemD'd, GNU oddity, old packages
>Arch: definition of entry level, systemD'd, breaks your shit, useful ricer wiki
>Void: literally homosexual ponyfuckers, otherwise quite nice
>Alpine: an amusing vm to keep as a pet
>Gentoo: Andy Warhol of distros
>SourceMage: an unfunny joke
>Linux From Scratch: the red pill
▶ No.875167>>875202
>>875165
>Linux From Scratch: the red pill
I would disagree. I have just recently finished my 1 year evaluation period of using LFS as my main distro.
I've recently switched to Gentoo and it feels like an automated version of LFS. This is not a bad thing because you have more people working together on it which makes things like security updates easier to track. While using LFS, most of my software was never upgraded and I found it hard to learn of security updates in a prompt manner.
<but you learn how it works if you use LFS
Honestly, the only thing I learned from LFS was how to use command line options for configure scripts.
▶ No.875171>>875202
>>875165
>Andy Warhol of distros
There are so many ways I could interpret, I don't even know where to start.
▶ No.875202
>>875167
I'd expect people to learn what a distro is and then become terribly disillusioned with the entire idea. What you do after that is up to you LFS can only show you the door.
>>875171
Yeah that's exactly right.
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