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>>872205

All ARM single board computers are turds. Every single one.

>>872205

ok so any recommendations for an SBC under $50? or are you just spewing shit?

Raspberry pis are trash. Not worth downgrading too to save a couple pennies

>>872215

>literally no power consumption

>so low heat it doesn't need a heatsink

>much smaller form factor and lighter weight than anything else in the same market.

>cheap as fuck - in the long run this could save $10k's overall

this would be far from a downgrade

>>872200 (OP)

>I'm to stupid to use searx

Here let me help you out. Try researching information about PiServer.

https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/piserver/

>>872221

well fuck

i'm retarded - thanks

>>872218

>literally no power consumption

Literally no power. You'd be better off multiseating 1 amd64 CPU to 10 different stations than 10 Pis to 10 stations.

>so low heat it doesn't need a heatsink

Raspberry Pi 3 most certainly needs one.

>much smaller form factor and lighter weight than anything else in the same market

This is the only legitimate argument you have.

>cheap as fuck - in the long run this could save $10k's overall

In the long run it will only become less usable as hardware requirements increase. 1GB of RAM wasn't even good 10 years ago.

>>872238

>Pi3 needs a heat sink

Only if you overclock the hell out of it.

Also:

<reee i'm going to hate a cheap and very universal / known hardware platform

Some people want a unit that is fairly well known and isn't from some fly by night Chinese company.

>>872260

>Only if you use it.

FTFY 66.6C is not acceptable with normal use.

>reee i'm going to hate a cheap and very universal / known hardware platform

There's nothing universal about any of these ARM single boards. The original Pi came out in 2012. The closest thing to an ATX standard ARM motherboard, available for purchase today, are the Nvidia Tegra boards and they're fucking expensive. Why is it so difficult to get a board with SATA, DDR3/4 RAM slots, and PCIE slots? These boards are an afterthought is the reason why. They have no desire to take this beyond Android cellphone use. If they can sell a few gimped boards to people like you to burn off inventory, all the better.

>>872260

>ARM

>Universal Platform

The closest thing ARM has to being a universal platform is U-Boot and I'd hardly call that a solution, more like a shitty hack. and the other anon is right. ARM gets away with being weak as fuck because of its low IPC compared to other architectures. ARM is destined to be weak as fuck. If ARM ever wanted to scale up their IPC to compete with desktops they would essentially run into the same power and thermal issues. ARM is a meme

>>872209

The ZedBoards are quite decent, but that's for a different customer.

>>872277

>muh ipc

Intel shill detected.

>>872277

Literally the biggest Intel shill ever

PXE firmware still needs some ROM. Raspberry doesn't have any besides sd card. I remember, other Pi clones like Orange have a dedicated ROM and can do a PXE boot, but they lack software support.

You will need enclosures and power adapters for every single one of them.

That's 15-20 dollars on top of 35.

Pi doesn't have a power button, so in order to reset it users will have to unplug a power cable.

All USB ports and Ethernet are on a single 2.0 hub, would be fine for web browsing and mouse+keyboard, wouldn't be fine if they'll want to plug in a flash drive. I suppose, existing solutions have dedicated gigabit NICs and separate full-speed USB ports.

1 GiB of ram and anemic cpu from 2012 is really bad for a thin client in current year.

Why are you concerned in replacing already existing thin clients if they do their job? Did you make calculations whether it will be profitable to switch everything to pi's or just a larper?

>>872326

Please read what I linked https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/piserver/ or more importantly what is linked inside of that article:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/pi-3-booting-part-ii-ethernet-all-the-awesome/

The rpi3 is able to do it without an sd card.

>>872330

Filtered as spam

RISC-V

Isn't PXE handled by the IME firmware these days (and will become non-functional if you restrict/remove IME in any way)?

>>872200 (OP)

Even if they hadn't turned out to actually support PXE now, you could have used cheap SD cards to do PXE with GRUB.

>>872238

>>872275

>>872277

>Muh Low power

>Muh PC expansion cards

>Muh doesn't run Crysis.

Do you even know what a thin client is for?

>>872275

>66.6C

Why are you pulling temperatures just straight out of your boipucci?

>>872348

I wish, show me a good Soc with it, lowRISC is the only thing I can think of and that is still some way from being an actual thing

>>872399

>Do you even know what a thin client is for?

Yes, and I don't even think Rasperry Pi would be good for that.

>>872599

You don't have a Raspberry Pi 3. You've never used a Raspberry Pi 3. Why don't you go back to wherever you came from?

>>872691

I own a Rpi3 and it's sitting right next to me. You avoided the question, too - why are you pulling temperature data right out of your inverted penis that the doctors fixed up into a pseudo-pussy?

We've already established that you're an Intell shill whose still mad that every one of your attempts to enter the same market segment the Pi occupies have failed.

>>872722

>established that you're an Intell shill

Guess again sweet cheeks. Anyone can search the Raspberry Pi forums to see that the RasPi3 boards have terrible heat issues even without overclocking. Why you would want to lie about something that anyone could so easily and quickly prove is beyond me. Maybe you're feeling a bit foolish about wasting money on this garbage? You pissed away $35 on this POS like the rest of us. It's okay to feel bad.

>>872746

>Anyone can search the Raspberry Pi forums to see that the RasPi3 boards have terrible heat issues even without overclocking.

Looks like most people report typical temps around 35-40º anon, that hardly sounds like "terrible heat issues." It seems that people are reporting temps around 60º when running the thing under full synthetic load such as in benchmarks, without a fan, which is well within the thermal limits of the device.

I like my Pi, it's extremely useful, uses very little power, and is cheap and universal. I'm happy they make you so angry and cause you to sperg out like a tard. Everybody knows you're the same Intel shill who makes the same comments about the Pi in every thread which talks about it. Your incredibly butthurt posting style gives you away.

>>872750

>you're using it wrong

Um sorry sweetie.

>It seems that people are reporting temps around 60º when running the thing under full synthetic load such as in benchmarks, without a fan, which is well within the thermal limits of the device.

Browsing the web with Chromium and watching SD MPEG4 videos is not normal usage lmao. Why don't you go back to reddit, okay buddy?

>>872751

Haha, you're that Captured Society pajeet, moonlighting at Intel?

It's just so funny that the Pi makes you so mad.

>>872752

ARMlets attempting to swindle poor people out of their money makes me mad.

>>872756

Maybe when Intel can offer a low power solution they will be able to compete with the Pi. As it goes now, they have nothing that can touch the Pi. Remember when those morons tried to make Intel CPU phones?

I guess until then they have an angry Pajeet to shill. Maybe they won’t even need to hire people like you if they ever manage to compete with ARM.

>>872757

Everything touches Pi including the bottom of the trashcan as it's thrown away. You are completely delusional.

>>872772

>millions sold

>huge ecosystem of third party add-ons and accessories

>thousand more sell each day

>used as the basis of a number of commercial products

>meanwhile Intel can't drum up any interest at all in their competitors to the Pi

>"I know," says Brian Cuckzch, "I will pay a butt-mad Pajeet to shitpost about the Pi full time!"

Intel is now going to be too busy fixing its shitty broken hardware to try to honestly compete with the Pi, how can they ever recover?

>>872779

>You can always install Linux on your tablet, right? Or did they gimp that too?

You can but Linux has really bad support when it comes to Chinese Atom boards in my experience. I could install Ubuntu on my tablet for example, but the backlight didn't work, nor did the touchscreen, or the wifi

>>872363

Can you use PXE on a IME system with IME disabled?

>>872778

Everything made mobile by them has been crap. Ryzen mobile when

>>872750

Eh I installed Gentoo on it and 65-70° was the norm during compilation

>>872200 (OP)

So you want to buy RPi units in bulk even though Broadcom's bait-and-switch pricing model is well known and they're only cheap because they cut corners like this in the first place.

How retarded are you exactly?

>>872214

OrangePi, BananaPi, Asus Tinkerboard, ODROID. Any of them is better than the SJWPi

>>873177

>OrangePi

No.

Do not recommend this chink POS

Mine never worked fine, it was a pain in the ass to make it work on a crt, the documentation sucks and it died after a month

>>872214

>>873177

ROCK64 Looked like the best bet when I was looking at this recently. Admittedly, my purposes are different, I was looking for a media center. Big advantages are native gigabit ethernet (PI forces this through USB bus), USB3, and eMMC musule support.

https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=7147

>>872772

>>872774

I'm now imagining a call center full of cubicles with Pajeets copying and pasting approved sentences in most posts whilst attempting to create sentences like

>Everything touches Pi including the bottom of the trashcan as it's thrown away.

I'm not convinced a native English speaker would write a sentence like that.

>>873218

The Raspberry Pi still can't boot without CIANigger Broadcom firmware. Of all the ARMlet hardware you've chosen to shill, you've picked the absolute worst.

>>873226

*MI5nigger

>>873226

What I stated has nothing to do any specific board. You're reading too much into what other people post. I guess it's something for you to figure out...

>>873226

At least ARM doesn't use (((signed microcode)))

>>873462

(((TrustZone))) You ARMlets really are the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.

I just want a small device that can browse sites and watch a single video at even sub 720p resolution and not start acting like its choking on a bag of dicks. Maybe even do some light document work like email writing or simple script writing. If its actually worth working on then I would just work on my desktop. Tablet and smartphones have a horrible OS that, and thats if you are just talking about functionality. Thats not even going into the botnet implications. I don't need to turn on my 700 watt machine to browse websites. fucking javascript programmers. I've gotten Pis to almost be effective at this, but "almost" is the key word here. sometimes it can watch a single youtube video without any problems, other times it just would randomly time out in the video for no real reason, or the browsers with crash. This was on dietpi too with a few different browsers.

>>875959

Stop being a faggot and use a dedicated video player to watch videos and not HTML document viewers.

>>875959

>I don't need to turn on my 700 watt machine to browse websites.

Your computer isn't using 700 watts ever. If you want something small, get a NUC.

>>873490

>TrustZone

TrustZone is not a separate coprocessor like IME. It's just a feature for embedded developers for extra security.

<security is Jewish

Might as get rid of userspace or run everything as root

>>875969

That's exactly what the argument was, wasn't it? Separate co-processors.

>>875969

Embedded developers mostly work against the user, so this is security for the corporations against the "owner". In practice it is mostly treacherous computing used for DRM.

>>875972

Then when you buy the CPU don't use trustzone for anything.

>>875977

Don't most of them need proprietary firmware that does use it? At least lineagos comes with widevine firmware iirc

>>875963

Thats even the worse part. Trying to use smplayer or mpv player and some videos won't even load, if they even load at all, yet for some strange reason web "its called web now, it use to be called Epiphany" will actually play the video, and will play it just fine as long as its not too big. Fucking Midori seems to actually runs the fastest and play videos, I hear almost nothing about Midori but apparently I've heard some people telling me its been compromised some how. This isn't even one websites mind you. This is if I'm play the video file locally via the micro sd card, or a flash drive. It doesn't even make any sense. The browser that is probably using that same video player lags when using the actual video player. I also tried VLC which will actually run "anything" but lags even on the smallest video, and form what I can gather, I think VLC is completely unaware that the other cores exist since core usage will shoot up the 100% for one core, usually the main core, but the other cores will act like nothing is going on. The browsers seem to actually force proper threading. The ones that seem aware of the other cores in the first place I mean.

>>875966

>NUC

Whats that?

>under 600$

The point was to save money.

>Intel

While not being spied on/awful exploits.

Which brings up another question, aside from the makers being SJWs shits, I didn't know any of that and got my stuff well before any of those stories broke. is there anything to be worried about with their arms processors. What is this (((TrustZone))), you speak of?

>>875992

>The point was to save money.

>I just want a small device that can browse sites and watch a single video at even sub 720p resolution and not start acting like its choking on a bag of dicks.

No mention of money anywhere. You're not saving money throwing it away on shitty single board computers, which in your own words, are not effective.

>>876002

>No mention of money anywhere.

My bad, I thought the implication was there.

>You're not saving money throwing it away on shitty single board computers, which in your own words, are not effective.

True, I that would be the best solution at this points.

Still though, when I did the math for these things I got the results that the work per cycle was suppose to be equal to that of a mid to high end Pentium 4. It can run quake 3 with 30-60 fps, but playing movies and running websites it has problems. Granted that means nothing without knowing if the same amount of work is done between and an Arm CPU and a Pentium 4 for the same program.

>>876013

This is why having an ARM board with PCIE would come in handy. Fujitsu is supposed to be working on "HPC extensions" to ARMv8, but I doubt it will ever see the light of day outside of Japan. This is my biggest issue with ARM. Outside of Android and cellphones, nobody seems to give a shit about it. Where the fuck was that AMD ARM Opteron that was announced years ago? The only company selling high end gear is Nvidia and it only has one onboard SATA port so that PCIE slot is blown on SATA controller card.

>browse sites

>1GB of ram shared with graphics

OP picks both !

>thin client with 100mbit ethernet

>>876043

RISC ma'fukn V nigger

>>872214

>ok so any recommendations for an SBC under $50?

https://www.board-db.org/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers

Intelx86 with PXE under $50 is wishful. Not many have Intelx86 because they are more expensive, so you'd be getting cheap Celeron, Atom CPUs.

AAEON Technology AIOT-X1000 might be able to get some cheap as discontinued.

Supermicro A1SQN can boot PXE

http://8086.support/content/9/44/en/how-do-i-boot-a-supermicro-motherboard-using-pxe.html

but is double the price limit of $50

96-Core ARMv8 rapes the shit out of Intel/AMD

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=cavium-thunderx-96core&num=1

>>873226

It can now and has been able to for years. Some onboard devices don't work though.

>>876233

So? That 96 core ARM chip is more efficient and less costly to produce than x86, which was designed by Intel Israeli Hafta lab.

>>876141

>those benchmarks

Into the trash it goes.