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▶ No.854425>>854428 >>854429 >>854705
>PureOS
>https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=pureos
>systemd
>pure
Why did you even make this thread OP?
▶ No.854428
>>854424
It ships on the Librem laptops, which come with coreboot and neutralized ME, but with modern skylake gen processors (not sandybridge or whatever)
Oh and they also come with hardware kill switches for camera, mic, and wifi.
The OS itself I think is some kind of rolling-release Debian-based thing with Wayland GNOME preinstalled.
>>854425
Systemd, as poorly-designed as it is, is Free Software licensed under the LGPL 2.1.
▶ No.854429>>854432 >>854436 >>854508 >>854734
>>854425
>implying this is the only FSF-approved distro to use systemd
Why did you even make this post anon?
▶ No.854432>>854434 >>854435
>>854429
Trisquel uses upstart for its init.
I have two Libreboot thinkpads and Trisquel 7 suffers from a boot hang randomly at the login screen. I'd love to use it, but until that's fixed I'm stuck using the complete garbage that is Debian 9 and APT
▶ No.854434>>854439
>>854432
Wait it still uses upstart?
I thought it used systemd since it's based on Ubuntu.
▶ No.854435>>854447
>>854432
You might want to check your facts on that chief.
https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=trisquel
It's been on systemdicks since 7.0.
▶ No.854436>>854437
>>854429
>implying any of those other "FSF-approved" meme distro's are any less trash.
▶ No.854437
>>854436
>implying the implication was that they're not
▶ No.854438>>854442 >>854446 >>854459 >>854508 >>854887
systemd is PureGarbage.
lennart poettering is allergic to security. He constantly shits on the security community. systemd is made for normies, and to support linux on a mass normie scale. No one who values their personal security and freedom should install it on bare metal.
Stallman, on the other hand, is a degenerate who barely ever showers and hasn't coded in 15 years (his own words). I think what he approves of has become completely irrelevant to actual reality.
▶ No.854439>>854447
>>854434
Trisquel is quite outdated. It's release activity doesn't happen very often.
▶ No.854442>>854459
>>854438
What relevance does Stallman's retirement from programming have to do with anything? I think this fact is a red herring argument.
▶ No.854446>>854448 >>854451
>>854438
>systemd is made for normies, and to support linux on a mass normie scale.
wtf I love systemd now.
Don't get me wrong, I would never use it myself (voidfag here. runit is comfy), but with normies comes marketshare, and with marketshare comes company attention, and with company attention comes more driver support.
>>854438
>hasn't coded in 15 years
because he's now more focused on leading the FSF and shit. Also he fucked up his hands from too much Emacs.
▶ No.854447
>>854439
Very true, however according to >>854435 it's now on systemd
▶ No.854448
>>854446
I don't want to rely on the goodwill of companies to write hardware drivers. The only thing I care from them are accurate hardware specification sheets that allow the community to write our own compliant drivers.
▶ No.854451
The thread is about an operating system.
Operating systems aren't created out of liquids in a flask - they're programmed.
I think the OS choice of someone who hasn't even programmed in 15 years doesn't carry much weight unless they're talking about how convenient the OS might be.
>>854446
Of course. I shilled Linux when systemd came out, despite knowing I would never use anything with systemd myself. I want to go to work one day and have grep,sed, and awk available for me to use to make my life better.
Shilling something with systemd, though, is reddit-tier. This isn't reddit.
▶ No.854459
>>854442
>>854438
Either way it makes no sense, FSF approval is not his personal pondering over that piece of software, it's whether it follows a specific set of requirements which are the definition of free software.
If you don't care about it, you don't care about the concept and don't even have a place in the discussion.
▶ No.854484>>854492 >>854882
>another Ubuntu fork with EL CHICANO script applied to kernel
>they even put some effort into it instead of just rolling everything with Qubes
▶ No.854492>>854493
>>854484
It's based on the original Debian system, not Ubuntu.
▶ No.854493>>854502 >>854637
>>854492
why not just ship the damn thing with debian then
▶ No.854501
>>854401 (OP)
So, when they start doing laptops with display backlight that doesn't flicker?
▶ No.854502>>854637 >>854643
>FSF's licensing and compliance manager, Donald Robertson, added, "An operating system like PureOS is a giant collection of software, much of which in the course of use encourages installation of even more software like plugins and extensions. Issues are inevitable, but the team behind PureOS worked incredibly hard to fix everything we identified. They didn't just fix the issues for their own distribution -- they sent fixes upstream, and are developing new extension 'store' mechanisms that won't recommend nonfree software to users. Our endorsement means we are confident not just in the current state of affairs, but also in the team's commitment to quickly address any problems that do arise."
This is interesting. I wonder what it means by "extension 'store' mechanisms". Something like a patch that warns the user if an add-on or plugin is nonfree? Or just patching the software to not mention any of those add-ons?
>>854493
Debian has official repos with non-free software so the FSF will never accept it 100% Free, but Purism wanted their OS to be accepted and recommended by the FSF. Rebranding it to PureOS also allows them to freely modify any part of it they wish and tailor it to their hardware or whatever "experience" or "vision" or whatever they might want, without potentially upsetting the Debian developers. Even though Debian is free software, the devs probably wouldn't like if another group changed some stuff, shipped it with separate repos and different default software, and then still called it "Debian" - just like how Mozilla didn't like Debian calling their Firefox package "Firefox", and they had to rebrand it to "Iceweasel".
▶ No.854508
>>854429
Parabola does give you the possibility to either choose an image with systemd or openrc.
>>854438
>hasn't coded in 15 years
>coded
▶ No.854637>>854645
>>854493
Because what >>854502 said.
their goal, from my understanding, is to sell computers that are as libre as possible, while still being relatively modern (so skylake and not refurbished C2D memepads). So far, they have an FSF-approved distro, Coreboot, and ME """disabled""" with the HAP bit thing. Their next goal on their roadmap is Libreboot, and they plan to go even further after that is achieved.
▶ No.854643
>>854502
I'm not really sure what that refers to. I think Ubuntu at one point had nonfree software advertised in its 'App Store' type thing, so maybe PureOS will be doing something like that, although they specifically mention "Extensions", so I have no clue.
I know GNOME has an extension page, and apparently some kind of store, but I never heard of any nonfree stuff in there.
Maybe it's just gonna be something like Parabola's "your-freedom" package, which blocks nonfree packages from being installed.
▶ No.854645>>854663
>>854637
>FSF-approved distro, Coreboot, and ME """disabled""" with the HAP bit thing.
You can get all that on much cheaper devices.
▶ No.854663>>854676
>>854645
With post-ivybridge processors and without having to hook the thing up to a beagle?
▶ No.854676>>854700
>>854663
Well, it doesn't have to be a beagle...
▶ No.854700
>>854676
you get the point...
▶ No.854705>>854725
>>854425
systemd is cancer but it has all the standards FSF wants.
▶ No.854725>>854823
>>854705
Those are not good standards then. They blindly follow an ideology without any real applied intelligence.
▶ No.854734>>854735
>>854429
PureOS > Trisquel
▶ No.854735
>>854734
Unironically this.
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▶ No.854823>>854846 >>854848
>>854725
Systemd being free software means every user has full permission to study and modify it. This is the only standard that is important to the FSF.
▶ No.854846>>854854 >>854872 >>854878
>>854823
Any braindead idiot can check off a license as easily as an HR moron checks off key items on a resume. But ultimately that represents nothing, and doesn't serve to vet a piece of sofware wrt its long-term effects. Ironically, they end up helping Red Hat by ensorsing systemd, instead of helping ensure there are more freedom of choices in init implementations (and whatever else systemd does not, I kinda lost track tbh).
> inb4 you can still run alternate init system blah blah
Yeah, by jumping through more hoops. That's clearly to Red Hat's advantage vs. the alternatives.
▶ No.854848
>>854823
He's mad because they don't consider the standard 'do image board autists like it?'
▶ No.854854>>854873
>>854846
What do you mean by long term effects? What do you mean by "jumping through more hoops"? Everybody is allowed to modify systemd, everybody is allowed to reject using systemd. The reason for this is because it is LGPL.
▶ No.854872
>>854846
The Free Software Foundation is about software Freedom, it is not the Quality Software Foundation. Software can be shit or good regardless of Freedom, this is a separate concern.
▶ No.854873>>854881 >>854897 >>854919 >>854927 >>855012
>>854854
Long term effects are already becoming visible: some big projects (i.e. gnome) are becoming dependent on systemd. Now if a dude wants to run gnome he needs systemd, and so doesn't have any real choice. Even on OpenBSD they had to write a systemd dummy wrapper so gnome would work. So in the long run it serves to create more work for people who want to use alternatives, thus discouraging the average user from using anything but the default (which is most distros now is systemd).
▶ No.854878
>>854846
It's a false flagging BSDcuck.
>The Free Software Foundation recommends and endorses these GNU/Linux distros, although we do not try to judge or compare them based on any criterion other than freedom.
Freeing ourselves from proprietary and proto-proprietary (BSD) software is what the FSF fights for and what even allows us to be able to complain about systemd. Not that this dependence on monoliths is good, but at least with it being free we have control over it, e.g. allowing the patching out of the google dns or the creation of devuan. Free Software is the necessary foundation were we can build our effective freedom on top of, which can not be all in the scope of the FSF.
▶ No.854880
>>854818
>3 year old article
Purism started out as absolute cancer, that is undeniable, but they have been improving themselves to the point where they are now the second most free computer in production.
I don't like the way they did it because now they have a lot of historical bad blood but it is worth judging them by how they are today.
▶ No.854881>>854883
>>854873
You don't really have an alternative to X.org either, systemd is just a very controversial project. The way Poettering deals with bugs doesn't help.
▶ No.854882
>>854484
Since when? I thought it was based on arch.
▶ No.854883
>>854881
Poettering isn't the only one on the team, one of them got banned from committing to the kernel by Linus because the systemd dev thought any bug in systemd wasn't actually a bug and should instead be fixed by changing kernel behavior.
They also have a habit of closing bug reports by saying "This is a bug tracker, not a forum".
▶ No.854887
>>854401 (OP)
This is old news.
>>854438
His programming career has nothing to do with his political career.
▶ No.854897
>>854873
The thing is, how exactly are you going to sway people from using the standard to using one of your obscure meme inits?
▶ No.854919
>>854873
>So in the long run it serves to create more work for people who want to use alternatives
Being a nuisance although obviously a bad thing in itself does not violate essential freedoms. I too would prefer if more big names would come forward and oppose systemd, and prinects that were viable alternatives to it had more reverence. But this is another subject, if you can't understand what the FSF means by its endorsement, that is something strictly related to the freedom status of a program, then you don't know what you're talking about and honestly should just shut up.
Thread is not about systemd, you bunch of malfunctioning brains!
▶ No.854927>>854950
>>854873
If you want to run Gnome without systemd, that's not the Gnome team's responsibility to work for you until you explicitly hire Gnome to work for you! If you want this, then it is your own responsibility to make it happen, Gnome has no need to cater to you. OpenBSD is doing the right thing by taking responsibility to write the software that they wanted to see. You're just bike shedding about the work that other people do.
The average user doesn't care about systemd. For the average user, systemd hides in the background and has no direct effect on them.
▶ No.854950>>855008 >>855176
>>854927
>they have the right to act like fagots and no one can stop them
▶ No.855008
>>854950
Who are you quoting?
▶ No.855012
>>854873
Void offers GNOME without systemd.
▶ No.855176>>855194
>>854950
>they have the right to act like fagots
Yes they do.
You may not like it, but they do.
▶ No.855194
>>855176
RMS endorse fagots -> RMS is a fagot
▶ No.855199>>855200 >>855205 >>867590
Non-systemd distro's might as well be considered a different OS at this point. Gentoo and slackware users can scream and yell all they want but the reality is they have to spend more and more manhours modifying applications to run on their alt-init systems. The world chose RedHat and Poettering. Let it go.
▶ No.855205
>>855199
>Lennart looks like he sucks a good nigger cock
>he's probably been raped by a gang of niggers in Germany
▶ No.855629>>855631
>>854401 (OP)
>"""libre""" laptops
>visit website
>can't find a button to download circuitry schematics and gerber files
How is this better than a late thinkpad with same shit keyboard, same shit 1080 screen, shitty fagbook-esque looks, cheap chinese ODM body design, coreboot, me_cheaner and available schematics for repair that can actually be downloaded from russian FTP servers.
>inb4 muh webcam switch
▶ No.855631
>>855629
>webcam switch
Thinkpads have that one too
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▶ No.867590
>>855199
I agree we have truly reached GnU/systemD aka GUD.