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 No.842963>>843225 >>843288 >>843384 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Figured I'd bring these questions to 8ch, as you might find them interesting to discuss.

>Should software package format be an ISO standard or something to that effect, as a means of increasing unity in the fragmented world of *nix operating systems and distributions, particularly with regards to GNU/Linux?

>Are the additional features/extensions present in Glibc a bad thing?

>Is Wayland a good idea? If the shift of workload from the protocol devs to the DE/compositor devs means that smaller projects get killed, would that be bad due to killing niche DEs/WMs, or good for reducing fragmentation?

>Are there any features from the more obscure unices in the System III and V family that would be nice to have on BSD and loonix?

>What do you wish BSD and loonix didn't have?

 No.843052

I wish there was no X or Wayland or desktop environments or WM or any of that shit. I'd rather just write directly to video memory like in DOS or old computers. TempleOS does it right. One line of code gets you graphics on the screen. Anything more than that is too much trouble, and I don't want to deal with it.


 No.843221>>843248

No, package standards would be better suited for POSIX, it was literally made to reduce fragmentation between Unix-like OSes.


 No.843225>>843248

>>842963 (OP)

>Figured I'd bring these questions to 8ch

No, keep your shitty questions on cuckchan you motherfucking cockgobbling kike.


 No.843248>>843395

>>843225

clam down

>>843221

Ah, yes. That makes sense. I was just throwing ISO out as an example of a standards thing.

So would you be in favor of this making its way into POSIX then?


 No.843255>>843469

An operating system shouldn't be considered a platform for the deployment of applications, or at least Linux shouldn't. The method of distributing packages is a defining characteristic of a Linux distribution. If anything there should be more effort to make each distro more unique than the rest.


 No.843288>>843323 >>843469

>>842963 (OP)

1. Appimages should be the primary distribution of applications in UNIX systems

2. yes and musl libc is the answer, more software needs to be ported to it like Rust

3. Yes. Now for the smaller projects like WMs I believe we need to implement small protocols that can be implemented in a Wayland WM/Compositor that becomes standard for DEs as well so fragmentation isn't hell, my proposal is a protocol for brightness, screenshots and video, etc. all that makes a modern X WM usable, as that would be groundbreaking for the UNIX world and Wayland MUST be made so it isn't exclusively for just Linux platforms, Wayland is the future but it needs help, Wayland performance wise is better than X and I use Wayland myself with a WM made by a friend.

4. No clue, the more minimal the better though, we need a return to UNIX minimalism with a futurist design twist unlike that Zionist nonsense material design or KDE shit.

5. I wish Linux by default removed all the binary blobs and switched to LLVM Clang as it's primary compiler away from the GNU Crap Compiler, I wish BSD type OS' would include more drivers but Linux holds a monopoly on that mainly.


 No.843323>>843344

>>843288

>GNU Crap Compiler

what's wrong with it?


 No.843344>>843396

>>843323

GCC is bloated (and also GNU GPL, which some are against)

http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/GCC


 No.843384>>843389 >>843474

>>842963 (OP)

>Should software package format be an ISO standard or something to that effect, as a means of increasing unity in the fragmented world of *nix operating systems and distributions, particularly with regards to GNU/Linux?

The Linux Standard Base (LSB) has mandated the RPM package format since its inception. LSB is an ISO/IEC standard.

>What do you wish BSD and loonix didn't have?

I wish that 3rd image of yours didn't have the laughable suggestion that Linux descends from GNU. Linux is not, and never was, a GNU project, and was not forked from GNU software.


 No.843389

>>843384

The author was probably under the mistaken assumption that the Linux Kernel is an operating system.


 No.843395

>>843248

Yes, this is exactly what POSIX is for.


 No.843396>>843428

>>843344

>harmful.cat-v.org

>2017

but okay I will bite the bait.

Which bloat are you talking about?

> gcc generating wrong code

Any specific examples? (and of course when the source code doesn't invoke UB, because by the language definition any output is correct if the source code invokes UB)


 No.843428>>843429

>>843396

He's referring to cat-v. That's an instant red flag that he's memeing.


 No.843429

>>843428

I know. That's why I admitted I'm biting a bait.


 No.843469>>843477 >>843617

OP here

>>843255

So you're in favor of as much fragmentation as possible? That's certainly an interesting idea, although I can't say I really agree. I think the fragmentation of GNU/Loonix is both a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing because it can lead to innovations and new developments as people find their own methods of solving a problem, but also a curse because I think it may be the reason for why GNU/Loonix doesn't have a very polished desktop experience.

>>843288

OOH! A full answer!

>Appimages should be the primary distribution of applications in UNIX systems

there do appear to be a few things like this. I haven't looked into all of them, but there's Snaps, Flatpak, and appimages. Which one do you think is best?

>yes and musl libc is the answer, more software needs to be ported to it like Rust

I'm confused on this one. Are you saying that musl libc needs to be written in rust? If you're gonna go all rustfag on me, you might as well ditch C and just write a rust library in rust, as well as the rust compiler, because clearly any other language is unacceptable.

Ok I'll stop memeing, but I would like a bit more clarity here.

>Yes. Now for the smaller projects like WMs I believe we need to implement small protocols that can be implemented in a Wayland WM/Compositor that becomes standard for DEs as well so fragmentation isn't hell, my proposal is a protocol for brightness, screenshots and video, etc. all that makes a modern X WM usable, as that would be groundbreaking for the UNIX world and Wayland MUST be made so it isn't exclusively for just Linux platforms, Wayland is the future but it needs help, Wayland performance wise is better than X and I use Wayland myself with a WM made by a friend.

Ok so you think there should be a common implementation of all the shit that compositors have to implement, so that the smaller projects can use it and not have to do everything. I like the idea. On the one hand, it kinda sounds a little too similar to X, but on the other hand, what we would have is a modern protocol that works similarly to X, but without the legacy shit that people complain about a lot.

>No clue, the more minimal the better though, we need a return to UNIX minimalism with a futurist design twist unlike that Zionist nonsense material design or KDE shit.

Agreed, but normies like Zionist nonsense, so we need to be sure that experience exists for them, and becomes more polished overall.

>I wish Linux by default removed all the binary blobs

Mostly agreed. I hate proprietary nonsense as much as the next freetard, but the fact of the matter is that people expect all their hardware to 'just werk', and in many cases that can't happen without blobs. It's a sad state of affairs, but that's the reality that we currently live in. The best thing we can do, as consumers, is to buy hardware that works with a libre kernel, and not buy shit that doesn't.


 No.843474

>>843384

>The Linux Standard Base (LSB) has mandated the RPM package format since its inception. LSB is an ISO/IEC standard.

Wow I didn't know that. Unfortunately this is a standard that nobody really seems to give a shit about, and as such, doesn't really solve the issue in the OP (fragmentation).

Either another kind of standard needs to exist, or something needs to happen that makes distros actually care about LSB.


 No.843477>>843486

>>843469

'Linux' also shouldn't be expected to have a polished desktop experience, you know being a kernel. There are several Linux distributions already in existence for the use case of wanting a pretty backdrop on which to browse Facebook, but then again the entire point of having an infinitely distributable operating system is to not be tied to one use case.


 No.843486>>843591

>>843477

>'Linux' also shouldn't be expected to have a polished desktop experience, you know being a kernel

Ok, Mr. Stallman...

>There are several Linux distributions already in existence for the use case of wanting a pretty backdrop on which to browse Facebook, but then again the entire point of having an infinitely distributable operating system is to not be tied to one use case.

Anyway, I was referring to the fact that many users feel that the GAHNOO/Linux desktop experience is not as polished or stable as what can be found on Microsoft Windows or Apple MacOS. This is not an uncommon sentiment either.

I also fully understand that GAHNOO/Linux should not be tied to a specific use case, which is exactly why this concern is a concern in the first place. Why should GAHNOO/Linux be tied to servers and embedded? Shouldn't this infinitely distributable operating system be suitable for a desktop/laptop use case as well?


 No.843555>>843560 >>843589

Package formats are kinda silly since I was introduced to the idea of functional package management with Nix OS and Guix.


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 No.843589

>>843555

>Nix OS

I haven't heard of this; it seems pretty cool though. I've been getting fed up with trying to maintain portage on my gentoo install (perl and haskell-updater are ruining everything), and having a package manager that doesn't explode trying to figure dependencies must be nice.


 No.843591>>843608

>>843486

It's a stupid sentiment held by mentally-deficient adolescents who hardly have an affect on the adult world let alone the creation of software. Who on earth thinks Windows offers a polished desktop experience?


 No.843608>>843638

>>843591

>Who on earth thinks Windows offers a polished desktop experience?

Apparently 89% of people or so, according to desktop marketshare reports.


 No.843617

>>843469

>OP here

Can't you just put OP in the name with a thread specific tripcode?


 No.843638>>843710

>>843608

Are you being facetious? Have you seen the average desktop consumer?


 No.843710>>843972

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>>843638

No, tell me more!


 No.843972

>>843710

Back when I last used Windows people around me seemed to think that I was some kind of hacker because I put the taskbar on top of the screen.




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