▶ No.838654>>838666 >>840514 >>850689
>>838649 (OP)
hackable games.
>here play this
>(later) hey look at what *I* can do in that game you play
>here's how I did it
>ok show's over now go back to being a powerless scrub
>whatever you do don't read this tutorial I wrote for you
>I'll put it next to the programming books I keep in your room because there's no space anywhere else in the house
▶ No.838663>>838664 >>838884
>>838649 (OP)
Tell your 8 year old to grow hormones so he can think straight because if he isn't, he isn't going to think straight. These are 8 year olds anon, you can't simply expect them to do shit you want, you can't trick them either. They have to have an intrinsic interest in the subject at hand. For me, when I was young, I used to like rocks because of the way they felt. Now I didn't go that far and went into books to read about the rocks that felt good, but I got really into those rocks. Find something nice and fuzzy about math and computers that doesn't make someone's mind hurt and they'll glide along on the subject until their dick sticks.
▶ No.838664
>>838663
like computer graphics or making autistic games?
▶ No.838666
>>838654
Honestly this >>838649 (OP) Also retro systems are great. Either something that forces you to program to enjoy the system like something running basic or something that's just slow and forces kids to find ways to use it despite its limitations. You give your kid a 8 yr old a shitty thinkpad pre x60 help them install linux on it and show them all they can do with it.
▶ No.838667>>838674 >>838791 >>850689
The desire to tinker is something you're born with, and you can only direct it into certain fields at best. If the kid wasn't an engineer to start with, he will never be (a decent) one. If he is of that mindset, it's best to start with reverse engineering. Teach him how to take things apart deliberately, whether mechanical, electronic, digital, etc. and then teach him how to modify them in novel ways. It should be all downhill from there.
▶ No.838674>>838704 >>839467
Monkey see, monkey do. If the kid sees his parents doing something he'll try to learn it. I really wouldn't teach a 8 year old coding though, he lacks the bare basics and will probably learn it wrong then have to spend time later learning it right. If you insist on it, do some easy Project Euler problems with him instead, then he'll learn logical thinking which is a much more useful skill he can use later for anything, programming included.
And don't try to force anything because 1) that's a dick move 2) you'll only make the kid really hate it.
>>838656
First pic makes no sense. The ones who shoehorned politics into vidya and ultimately made /pol/ into what it is were the left. You can't just swap sprites.
>>838667
>Teach him how to take things apart deliberately, whether mechanical, electronic, digital, etc.
Good advice. I've opened lots of things as a kid, sometimes they even worked when put back together.
▶ No.838700>>838701 >>838702 >>838704
>>838649 (OP)
>How do I make math and code exciting to an 8 year old kid so he maybe become a STEM autist?
https://www.myabandonware.com/game/math-blaster-plus-br
▶ No.838701>>838702
>>838700
here is context
I was poor as fuck but my parents took out loans while going to college and set me up with Math Blaster and Zug the Megasaurus, I fucking love making the rockets take off by doing math
I also had a lot of free time and since my parents had bought me a poster with the multiplication tables I decided to memorize them cuz I didn't have much else to do
▶ No.838702
>>838700
>>838701
also this was before i was 8
my parents also had an old word processor you could type in commands to make a guy run across the screen and I'm pretty sure I got great pattern recognition from that
▶ No.838704
>>838674
>You can't just swap sprites.
They're seizing the memes.
>>838700
>math blaster
Jesus, I played that 30 years ago and I still instantly recognize screenshots. I can't even remember what floor I parked on today.
▶ No.838729>>838746
How many times are you going to keep making the same thread and not make your 'amazing idea' of a game, faggot?
▶ No.838746>>838793 >>838798 >>838813 >>838816
>>838729
still need to learn algebra II, trigo, precalculus, calculus, linear algebra, calculus II, physics before making a single 2D mario in SDL.
▶ No.838791>>838798
>>838649 (OP)
Try to get them into CS50 and reward him for the progress they make, its a free structured MOOC thats hosted on edx for beginner programmers. Has decent book recommendations too (non dry, non reference type books, and unless the kid is a complete autist who already has a taste for programming I don't think he or she would enjoy something like SICP.)
It's not so difficult that an 8 year old can't complete it without a little help, and at the same time, it doesn't hold your hand every step of the way. Anyway it shouldn't take more than maybe 3 months to complete it, and once they do they'll be able to better explore different paths in computer science with little guidance and direction.
>>838667
Bullshit, kids are pretty much a blank slate, and save for severe mental deficits they're pretty much capable of becoming highly competent in anything by the time they reach their teen's.
▶ No.838793>>838796 >>838817
>>838746
>i know all of those
>can't code for shit
i want to kill myself
▶ No.838796>>838800
>>838793
just learn java bro.
;)
▶ No.838798>>838801
>>838791
I forgot to mention that pic related's dad is a programmer, and math and science tutor. So he had someone to nurture the interest in him from early on which i think is what is most important. Not all, but a lot of prodigies have this in common nowadays. Their parents are already somewhat successful, but more important than this is that they get direction and support from a very young age and not just thrown in front of the tv/vidya/computer to fend for themselves.
>>838746
Can you make a 2d mario game with a game engine? If not you're only bullshitting yourself if you decide to start only after having learned basic calculus and physics. In this current year, with all the tools we have to abstract away the tedium, strict bottom up learning is a waste of time if you actually want to produce something.
▶ No.838800>>838804
>>838796
i did learn the basics, for uni work
▶ No.838801>>838804
>>838798
>using a game engine for a 2D mario clone
kys pajeet
▶ No.838804>>838807 >>838820
>>838800
now build something
anything ;) even if it seems beyond your skill level
>>838801
>if you wish to create a game from scratch, you must first create the universe
end your life my man
▶ No.838807>>838808
>>838804
>you need a full bloat engine to make pong
kys pajeet.
▶ No.838808>>838809
>>838807
>reading comprehension
>moving goalposts
kys rakesh
▶ No.838809>>838816
>>838808
>he can't even code a 2D mario in ASM for a nes emulator
>call others pajeets
kek
▶ No.838813>>838814
>>838746
>you need to learn calculus II to understand entity.y + (gravity * deltatime) and AABB collision
WEW
▶ No.838814
>>838813
>taking the hard way out because pajeets don't learn math
wew
▶ No.838816>>838818
>>838809
>I've been writing games and general programs in C++ and assembly since the 90's
>Thinking writing a 2D mario game in ASM is an accomplishment
>being so autistic as to think its in >>838746 's best interest, an absolute beginner, to start from the absolute bottom for him to create his first game
>all this shitposting and he probably hasn't produced anything in his life
lad
▶ No.838817>>838820
>>838793
You should just find a book on the internet and learn. It isn't difficult.
▶ No.838818>>838825 >>838828
>>838816
>dude you don't need to learn to draw realistic european classical portrait to learn to draw waifus garbage feels good women type of advice
▶ No.838820>>838821
>>838817
>>838804
I just don't have the motivation
I'm actually studying CS, but it's more EE with a few computer related exam
▶ No.838821
>>838820
just do some interesting projects, like writing a porn AI or some BS like that.
▶ No.838825>>838829
>>838818
oh god you're the same retard that was on agdg that said he could draw because he read Loomis once then posted malformed heads, aren't you?
▶ No.838828>>838829
>>838818
post realistic european classical portrait
or anything you've made :^)
▶ No.838831
>>838829
LMAO what is this, post your whole tumblr fam
▶ No.838832
>>838829
Is it supposed to be a mangled car crash victim
▶ No.838833
>>832555
>>838597
>>836178
>>834130
>>833156
>>836375
>>831370
▶ No.838837
>>838829
>realistic european classical portrait
my fucking sides
please post a github if you have one
▶ No.838841
>>838829
I really, really, really like this picture
▶ No.838852
>>838649 (OP)
send him to a code bootcamp
▶ No.838884>>838935
>>838663
>I used to like rocks because of the way they felt. Now I didn't go that far and went into books to read about the rocks that felt good, but I got really into those rocks.
D-Did you stick them in your butt?
▶ No.838935
>>838884
My ears were a good substitute.
▶ No.839105>>850689
>>838649 (OP)
There's really no universal solution.
Truth is, he either is or he isn't "STEM autist"-material, and if he isn't, no amount of coercing will make him into one.
Could he get STEM a degree and codemonkey-job if he doesn't have 'STEM-autist'-material? Of course, this is America. The question is, would you want to do that, assuming he'd be happier in a non-STEM job. (eg even a blue collar, "hands in the dirt and fixing things" Stem-ish job, that's where most kids fall) .
Not trying to sound pessimistic, but this is a general question that has no answer. You have to know (or get to know) what and whom you're working with. Education can only do so much.
▶ No.839118
>>838649 (OP)
>How do I make math and code exciting to an 8 year old kid so he maybe become a STEM autist?
Create the passion via context.
The thing is that if you want a children to see how wonderful the thing is you need to have a child who has never seen technology past the 70s/80s but that's literally impossible except if you are Amish.
Creating passion is difficult anon.
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▶ No.840514
>>838649 (OP)
You can try what >>838654 said, but if the kid has no inherent interest in that direction. You might just be wasting your and the kids time.
▶ No.840563>>850689
>>838649 (OP)
Lego Technics, sports, books, simply talking and playing with him.
You can't turn him into a genius, don't expose him to video games or the internet, or pop culture for that matter.
▶ No.850689>>854963
>>838654 For /v/
>>838667 definitely the basic, but motivation is what we are aiming for, not skill acquisition
>>838791MOOC is good for some, code(cademy|school) is good for others
>>839105 You knew
>>840563 wait til he is 10, then start bringing in the computers
(Asians start joining computer clubs at the ripe age of 8 learning BASIC and LOGO)
For /pol/ oriented kids (yes they do exists), show them:
1. Anaconda for Statistics and basic Python Yearly crime stats
2. Django for web-dev, React/Angular for UI Make a blog/forum
3. Keras for Neural Networks, bs4 for web scraping Intel gathering
4. Teach them C, ASM and OO-languages later on if you want to
▶ No.852344
Have your own kids, leave your nephew alone.
▶ No.853936
>>838649 (OP)
do we really need another zuckerberg running around?
▶ No.853954>>854963
Assuming you're white: AoPS and USACO pages.
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