/tech/ - Technology★

>>828431 (OP)

The autism requires is a shit filter. You don’t want normies in your group anyway.

https://discord.gg/MA5Ubnb

IRC should have died in 1999 tbh.

>a for profit vc funded corporation is communist

>>>>/pol/

>>828431 (OP)

What is un-user friendly about IRC? You can use any client you want. It's a completely open protocol and you can just run your own ircd if you don't trust a server.

Discord is botnet.

IRC works fine if you're not retarded.

Sorry retard.

>>828431 (OP)

>NSA communist cancer

The NSA is capitalist, retard.

>>828480

The fact that you need a bouncer / run your client on a vps / never turn off your computer if you don't want to miss messages.

The NSA has access to important internet hubs and sniffs out interesting data.

- IRC is easily detectable.

- You may use use SSL, but others on the IRC channels you frequent don't. Combine that with time corelation analysis and you can easily identify which username belongs to whom

- connections between IRC servers may be unencrypted

- People keep roughly the same usernames over years

- All the world's IRC traffic is likely only a few GB per day

- it's information density is high though

- Storage is fucking cheap.

SO WHY WOULDN'T THE NSA LOG ALL IRC COMMUNICATION FOREVER?

IRC needs to die. And Discord and Slack and all other centralized web services from Burgerland are honeypots, so don't use them either.

>>828520

>>828472

?

the NSA is a national organization payed for by redistributed wealth from taxpayers, its communist by default

>>828431 (OP)

>current year discord goy-chat

Not using XMPP + OTR (or irc + OTR)

>>828547

>but others on the IRC channels you frequent don't

Some servers let you set a flag on your channel to require SSL.

>>828555

not using ICQ

>>828555

>OTR

>not OMEMO

>>828549

>the NSA is a national organization payed for by redistributed wealth from taxpayers, its communist by default

America was a mistake.

>>828431 (OP)

Day of tox popularity when?

>>828521

>browsershit

>requires JS

Is it even free software? Does it run on a centralized server? I would read their about page, but that also doesn't work with JS disabled (and the actual chat page is blank white).

>>828549

If that was what communism meant, why would anyone ever support it?

If that was what communism meant, why was it synonymous with anarchism and libertarianism for so long?

According to what its supporters claim, communism is an economic and political system based around the concept of commune - "commune" + "ism". A commune is a unit of organization based around a principle summed up as "all is for all" (anarchists) or "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" (Marxists), as maintained by free association and lack of guidance other than "humans need things, therefore they will make them at a minimal cost by working together", as expected per evolution in all species because outright competition isn't beneficial in most circumstances (principle of mutual aid).

It can be found in various forms - primitive societies such as the Iroquois, constituent parts of developed societies in conditions not favorable to typical organizational forms (fraternity societies in the Great Depression, pre-Bolshevik soviets in Russia, etc), or spaces of interaction where legal forms simply haven't arisen yet (free software).

If you want to say state-run, why not say state-run? If you want to say taxpayer-funded, why not say taxpayer-funded?

According to your redundant and thought-restricting definitions, I (a libertarian communist) shouldn't even exist.

IRC was already dead when AOL allowed its users to access it and MIRC came out. You probably didn't get to experience this, but it was the most shocking Eternal September I've ever seen. I used to chat with kernel devs, demoscene coders and musicians, network operators at NANOG, and generally just really skilled and important people, and then suddenly it was this massive tidal wave of normalfaggotry that just wiped all that out. The geniuses bailed out and it was just absolute cancer from then on. You'll never know what you lost.

>>828592

Not the person you're replying to, but Riot is free software. Apache 2.0 license. It's just a fancy Matrix client.

Also, what's the general consensus on Jitsi?

>replaced

Only normies use discord. The IRC community is still strong.

If a community migrated, that community was cancer to begin with.

>>828592

>communist

>retarded

not big surprise

>>828592

> I (a libertarian communist) shouldn't even exist

You got that bit right anyway

>It's another /pol/yp doesn't know what communism is thread

>>828608

>another leftist doesn't know their place.

Go back home. Free BJs!

>>828609

Go home and free willy!

>>828431 (OP)

>WAAH X IS POPULAR

make something better tbh

>>828480

>What is un-user friendly about IRC?

All the IRC software

- shitty user interfaces

- shitty proxy support https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorifyHOWTO/IrcSilc

- OTP is not supported half ot the clients

- have you tried set-up a server properly?

The IRC protocol

- no video, no audio, file transfer sucks, not extensible

- no history or offline messages

- nickname registration requires e-mail address

- one account is not enought, you need to register on all the different servers to prevent impersonation

- no mandatory encryption between the server and the clients (even Discord is better than IRC in this regard)

>>828480

>run your own ircd if you don't trust a server

- you have to convince everyone to join your server, and convince them to trust your server (good luck with the second one anon)

>>828436

I totally agree. XMPP is better than IRC in every possible way.

Dozens of chat programs have come and gone over the past couple decades, but irc still remains. Maybe you don't like it, but that doesn't mean nobody else does. It would have been dead long ago if that was the case.

>>828616

>The IRC protocol

>file transfer sucks

Do you know how I know you haven't read RFC 1459?

>>828616

You're missing the most important part: end-to-end encryption

>not using

 obscure social network 

gee i wonder why

>install VM android

>backup post-install

>register new gmail without the bullshit

>restore post-install

>rinse and repeat

Line or BTFO

>>828592

>I (a libertarian communist) shouldn't even exist

It's not too late to fix it.

>>828431 (OP)

>don't use Discord, anon, it's botnet

>what should I use, IRC? in 2k18?

>yah, here's the link: #goynode

>you don't like centralized entity, yet you still use one, why don't you run your own sever if you fear the botnet?

>h-here is m-matrix server then, it has only one bloated client that phones phone and is built around chromium browser engine instead of GUI library he-heh)

>o-okay, I might as well keep using Discord, nothing different

>>828481

This! In fact I think /tech/ should lose it more, then we can jettison the dumb posters we have.

>>828612

>make something better like tox or mumble

>skype and discord have $$$ of dollars

>they are promoted by mainstream media and every major website and by most celebrities

>absolutely no one uses your shit

Great plan retard.

>>>/methods/

>>828616

>- no history or offline messages

That sounds like a good thing to me.

If IRC had voice chat, image hosting, and mobile integration, then yeah it would be fine.

>>828729

Fortunately, 99.9% of the world's population appreciate message history and offline messaging

>>828732

Does the 99.9% of the world also recognize that, aside from non-profits ran by volunteers that state otherwise, if you don't pay for the servers - you are the product? There are no free gibs, even on the Internet.

>>828682

this guy right here

>>828731

>if irc wasn't irc then it would be fine

They aren't really comparable since Discord has more features and is gayming oriented. Having said that, we really need an alternative to it, because muh freedoms.

>>828731

>mobile integration

There are literally dozens of apps for IRC.

>>828735

I will happily be the product in return for being able to recieve messaqges at any time without having to leave my computer on

>>828732

Actually you can have a local history, just by telling your client to log. That option has been in irc clients for decades.

As for offline, well that's not in the scope of irc. Some people just run bots and let them idle and all messages get saved. It's not rocket science, and in fact irc scripting is how a whole lot of n00bs got into programming. Now you don't even have to write your own scripts, there's tons of them.

>>828747

>As for offline, well that's not in the scope of irc.

I know. That's why I don't use it for anything more than asking questions on #go-nuts.

>>828744

What about offering the middle ground? Fully configured server software that can be plopped into any VPS of your choosing or simply renting a prebuilt one. Doesn't have to be the only option, but if this were in Discord, I'd actually use it.

>>828749

Well you're wrong about that. People use it to just shoot the shit or chat about some hobby, especially some gaming communities. Also people run file-sharing bots. And channel bots too, that do various things. Some even act as gateways to interface with web, mail, or other stuff. Often bot is hosted on server shell account instead of their desktop, so it stays running all the time.

>>828818

>fuck user feedback, everyone can just use my bloated software to fix it themselves!

>wait, why does nobody use my stuff? ;_;

>>828595

I first started using IRC in 2004 when I was twelve. mIRC was my client of choice because it was the one my brother used to chat with his Quake clan. Monkey see, monkey do, I guess. RIP #svencoop on irc.gamesurge.net

What's un-user friendly about IRC?

>>829054

nothing

consumers however don't use computers,

they consume them like everything else

>>828818

I am afraid you have autism, Anon.

>Why do I want rando binary files being sent to my computer? Or CIAniggers spamming CP? And if I wanted to do those things why not just use an imageboard?

Yeah, why would you ever want real time voice chat. Just upload your voice clips to Vocaroo or something whenever you want to send your best mouthbreaths to your friends.

>muh CP CIAnigger (((cuckity cucking cuck)))

What does that even have to do eith anything.

>If you need it then learn how to use gnu-screen or run a bouncer.

History? Why would you want that? Just have a service listening 24/7 to updates like any reasonable human being,

>Do you use facebook or twitter to log in to different sites? (((Single sign in)))?

>Better networks make a mask based on your domain name. If you wanted to impersonate me you would have to also get on my subnet. And if I was doing something so sekrit that people would bother I wouldn't be using any chat client.

I am afraid you not only have autism, but also you have no idea about cryptography and signatures.

IRC is good for what it is, but it's not up to modern capabilities and standards.

>>828431 (OP)

>only because spergs decided to make IRC as un-user friendly as possible.

[citation needed]

any IRC client is more user friendly than Discord's trash

>unironically using message protocol designed for causal Quake sessions

Use XMPP, dumbos. It's specifically designed for all your autismo needs and has superior cryptography support.

It just fucking werks and all modern (((messengers))) are basically XMPP copycats, they don't even hide it.

>>829098

Fuck all that XML shit tbh.

>>828431 (OP)

insightful post

IRC "died" because of elitism

This id stupid, irc will outlive discord and all other Web 2.0 shits.

The server that is hosting the #templeos channel has over 15K users. 82 users in the channel itself.

>>http://www.ircstats.org/data

>In our latest scan of Sep 2017:

>About 4 billion IP addresses were scanned for port 6667 (the entire IPv4 address space)

>10,239 servers were found.

>On 8,995 IRC servers our data gatherer was able to fully connect. >Other servers rejected our link due to password or IP restrictions.

>Most statistics require us to fully connect, however statistics such as CAP could be gathered on all servers.

>Numbers from above are after deduplication: because IRC servers may listen on several IP addresses, thousands of duplicates had to be filtered out.

>Bouncers like psyBNC and BitlBee are also filtered out

irc is totally dead goys. Time to get on the discord train!

>>829098

>implying XMPP wasn't an ICQ/AIM/MSN copycat

>and that voice & video and file uploads the others could do were ever anything more than hopeless

Spergs don't sperg people. only retards sperg people

>>828431 (OP)

>spergs decided to make IRC as un-user friendly as possible

>HURR DURR I AM EDGY POLTARD TOO DUMB TO USE IRCCLOUD ON MY MAC I WATCH BBT

Like many pieces of modern technology, Discord is a filter. It filters people like you into a containment zone so you don't tread pig shit in all over our nice rugs. Go back to filming your youtube instructional videos on how to write Unity game tools in Rust.

>>828431 (OP)

They trashed the shit out of Usenet too, they wish to destroy everything they can't control.

Thankfully Usenet is back on the menu, the shills seem to be stuck to their few boards and botposts there.