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Is the NSA really that bad or is tinfoil fearmongering? most of the data collected is useless meta data and it's destroyed after 5 years of collection.
▶ No.810928>>812522
>he thinks they destroy the metadata and not just keep it forever
>he thinks they are just collecting metadata and not everything including encrypted traffic for later decrypting
<defending the not secret agency
▶ No.810936>>810939 >>828718 >>831046 >>831952 >>846535
NSA doesn't collect relevant information, their metadata is scraped from what you give them using social media.
Only schizophrenic freetard autists believe the NSA has backdoors in their toaster, there is nothing the NSA can access in your home without your permission.
▶ No.810937>>818668
They keep us safe from terrorists!
▶ No.810939
>>810936
Care to back that up with a single fact?
▶ No.810943>>818298
The NSA protects us from terrorism and wrongdoers. Ignore the russian conspiracies that it is a bad thing.
▶ No.810945>>810947
>>810924 (OP)
muh constitution
muh privacy
▶ No.810947>>811188
>>810945
Freedom isn't free, sometimes you have to make some small sacrifices to secure your freedom. Price of living in a free and open society.
▶ No.810949>>812801
>On an filipino anime imageboard
▶ No.810951
>>810924 (OP)
Nice try, NSA.
▶ No.810954>>810956 >>810961 >>811198 >>811372
>>810924 (OP)
If you're not doing anything wrong, what do you have to hide? The NSA doesn't care about your stolen Adobe Photoshop program.
▶ No.810955>>812801
>Stacy does it for free
>She doesn't takes her “job” very seriously
>She doesn't even do her "job" properly
▶ No.810956>>810960
>>810954
Nothing. That's not the problem. The problem is them stealing and storing data that someone else could use to steal real things like money or housing from you with that data.
There's no reason to be stealing the data from you in the first place. But yet it is done.
▶ No.810960>>810973 >>811879
>>810956
Intercepting isn't stealing.
▶ No.810961>>810962 >>810972
>>810954
>what do you have to hide?
Everything I wouldnt tell a stranger.
This is a more minor point, there are more important ones about civil liberties and security to be made, but whether or not its OK if someone knows something about me doesnt usually have anything to do with whether or not they'll do something bad to me if they know. I just dont want strangers in my house inspecting all my shit and noting all my habits.
▶ No.810962>>810973 >>810985
>>810961
You're probably not interesting enough for someone to spend millions of dollars investigating.
▶ No.810967>>810973 >>818294
Imagine a terror attack occurs in the US, what is the first thing everyone says, "HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN!?". These questions are why the NSA is charged with providing signals intelligence for analysts. As long as they remain professional in their work, the benefits outweigh the negatives.
> muh privacy.
What privacy? I pay taxes and government minions get to trawl through all my finances and demand any financial documents they want, going back multiple years.
▶ No.810972>>810993 >>811882 >>812537 >>828689 >>828730
>>810961
T-THE GOVERNMENT KNOWS I WATCH LOLI ANIME, MY A LUSTROUS CAREER IRL IS RUINED!!
literally you faggot. You're a replaceable dweller who doesn't contribute to society, why would the government care what you do?
▶ No.810973>>810980
>>810960
Why should they be able to steal data I intended for a private party such as a bank? Why can't I steal other people's bank data by "intercepting" it too then? It's stupid and unjustified. Yet it is done by them.
>>810962
That's because they spend billions saving everything, not just one person's stuff but literally everything.
>>810967
>What privacy? I pay taxes
Well yet another example, why do you want to be stolen from? Taxes are neccessary for the upkeep of states. But in a state where money/labor is worthless because (((they))) just print more as they need it makes taxes useless. Because they are just taking earned labour from you instead of printing money to take labour from you in purchases.
▶ No.810974>>811034
>>810924 (OP)
Shilling for the NSA, never thought Id see the day
▶ No.810976>>810981
What happened to trigger the alphabet coons?
This is the 3rd "who needs privacy' thread I've seen today
▶ No.810980>>810984
>>810973
Why do you believe your precious data should be private? what gives you a right to privacy?
The government has to keep track of things.
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▶ No.810984>>810987
>>810980
I didn't say a right. I said why should they be allowed to steal it in the first place. Sure there are justified instances where "intercepting" is neccessary for a state to defend against enemies foreign. But the level and amount stolen from the american people has caused untellable damage to americans in all aspects and costs. It's not even the purpose of the agency to begin with to have stole all that data on the american people.
▶ No.810985
>>810962
modern government surveilance is not an agency spending lots of money to investigate individuals of interest.
They invade your privacy even if you aren't of any interest to them. Because they do it en-masse to everyone. That makes it even worse.
▶ No.810987>>810995 >>810997
>>810984
You're not to be trusted. You could be a terrorist for all the NSA knows.
And what damage? how has the NSA impacted ANY part of your life?
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▶ No.810993>>811003
>>810972
>its okay if they spy on you if they dont care about you in particular
>DUDE JUST LET ME RIFLE THROUGH ALL YOUR SHIT DONT WORRY DUDE I DO IT TO EVERYONE I DONT JUDGE DONT BE SO PARANOID LOL
No. Get out of my house.
▶ No.810995
>>810987
>unironically datamining
Well for one it has revealed europes shitty surveilance grid because of the not secret agencies fuck ups in security ala snowden. Another would be revealing and helping/enabling the chinks with their firewall via (((cisco))) and (((intel))). Another would the atacama submilimeter array used to hack all new electrical devices.
▶ No.810997>>811010
>>810987
The NSA is not to be trusted. They could be terrorists for all I know.
And what damage? how have I impacted ANY part of the NSA's life?
▶ No.810999
>>810924 (OP)
>collects metadata
>owns US password encryption standards and mandates them to be below a certain level
>opens your account using your password
Gee it sure is useless metadata.
▶ No.811000
>>810990
It's a network enabled IPC logger that works on linux, freebsd, windows, and mac OSX. It can be stored in any way you can imagine as a program/trojan. In a library, as a program, as a memory adress loaded at boot, as a audio driver shim, and use your imagination for the rest.
It's meant to "log" but in reality it's used to hack and distribute viruses. What for only OP knows.
▶ No.811003>>811014 >>818669 >>846536
>>810993
WAHHH SOMEONE A THOUSAND MILES AWAY KNOWS IM AN IMAGEBOARD LOSER MUH PRIVACY
Fuckoff
▶ No.811010>>811013
>>810997
You're a threat to national security just by how paranoid of them you are.
▶ No.811013>>811026
>>811010
Explain how being paranoid is a threat to people on a nationalistic standpoint? Worst case scenario the paranoid fellow calls out people the person thinks to be following them or planning against them. If it's literally nothing ignore it. But if he's right then why are you even acknowledging him?
▶ No.811014>>811017
>>811003
Thats my business. They should stay out of it.
Really not seeing your reasoning here, that its somehow perfectly fine for anyone to know anything about you if you wont go to jail for it.
I think you only wanna justify it for corporations and the government, because when they do it its invisible.
Its still there. It doesnt go away if you can't see it.
I reiterate:
No. I don't want strangers snooping all my shit behind my back. ==Get the fuck out of my house.==
▶ No.811017>>811021 >>812128
>>811014
but if you have nothing to hide why are you so anxious to hide what you do?
▶ No.811021>>811027
>>811017
So that people can't steal from him. Like how the not secret agency steals banking information completely uneccessary to them, daily from the american people or anyone stupid enough to use a american bank.
▶ No.811026>>811029 >>811718
>>811013
>/pol/tard can't comprehend the importance of national security
Putting conspiracies into peoples heads leads to death. Just like the JFK documents the CIA doesn't want released. Nutjobs will shoot up concerts and cause havoc.
▶ No.811027
>>811021
Anecdotal projections: the post
▶ No.811029
>>811026
>implying that the vegas shooting wasn't a test of the atacama submilimeter array
That's a fallacy anyways. Why accuse someone of being paranoid then defend the cianiggers for withholding documents?
▶ No.811034
>>810974
If you are not larping, you’re not living.
▶ No.811036>>811041
>>810924 (OP)
They are good people anon. Make sure your smart phone has GPS enabled at all times, get one of those fancy TVs with a camera and wifi, pair it with a game console and get the device that tracks everything in the room and has an open microphone. Make sure your PC is brand spankin' new and has that great wake-up on LAN feature. Don't worry about buying or building your own router the one provided by your ISP has the best software on it anyway. You should also get one of those recent electric cars if you care about the planet, it comes with OnStar so you never have to worry about a flat tire again. Be sure to take plenty of pictures with your smart phone while you ride around in it to post to social media and show all your friends how interesting your life is. They'll literally die if they don't see what you ate for dinner everyday.
▶ No.811110>>811116
I run GNU/Linux Debian with a deblobbed kernel, Libreboot, and own a smart phone with Replicant installed. I'm now posting this over Tor from a Starbucks and drinking massive cuppa. Fuck you OP for making this thread.
▶ No.811116>>811148
>>811110
You realize you're a red dot in a sea of grey, right? The government knows when you're hiding shit.
▶ No.811121>>811150
Say agent fud, would you mind emailing your social security and credit card information to me?
I won't disclose any sensitive data to a 3rd party, promised :^)
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▶ No.811148
>>811116
>The government knows when you're hiding shit.
Everyone is hiding shit, nice meme glow in the dark nigger.
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▶ No.811153>>811158
>>810924 (OP)
> most of the data collected is useless meta data and it's destroyed after 5 years of collection.
It amuses me to think that there are people out there who genuinely believe this.
▶ No.811158>>811160 >>811177
>>811153
It amuses me that people don't want the government to protect us from evildoers.
▶ No.811160>>811185 >>818298
>>811158
The government are the evildoers. We send 40B to Israel and no one blinks. They're robbing and killing us.
▶ No.811177>>811185
>>811158
Don't want or need it. I can protect myself. Are you a man or a faggot?
▶ No.811185
>>811160
Our greatest ally in a tumultuous region. We send them tied-aid, so they have to spend that money on American products.
>>811177
I am a strong man, but not capable of withstanding bomb blasts. The NSA are also useful in preventing hack attacks by state actors.
▶ No.811187
NSA must be scraping the bottom of the barrel for shills these days, or not paying them enough. The ones in this thread are terrible. No intelligent person is going to take that kind of garbage seriously.
NSA have no respect for US law or the US Constitution. It's laughable to see them try to take the moral high ground.
▶ No.811188>>811189
>>810947
>implying the united states is a free and open society
Hasn't been that way for decades.
▶ No.811189>>811191
>>811188
Name a nation with more freedom?
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▶ No.811193>>811194
>>811191
Go draw some Mohammed cartoons in Raqqa and see how that works out for you.
▶ No.811194>>811195
>>811193
Go draw some in san francisco and see what worse things happen to you
▶ No.811195>>811409
>>811194
Bad example. San Fran is so free, faggots aren't even stoned to death (like they would be in Syria).
▶ No.811198>>811201
>>810954
I guess we should start leaving the door open when we take a shit too then.
▶ No.811201
>>811198
< What door? I just do it in the street.
Your intimate details could cause personal embarrassment which is why you hide them from your immediate friends and family. Revealing that info would have no useful purpose either, so that analogy quick breaks down.
▶ No.811203
Now I have to clock off though,
sad that the agency doesn't pay per post
anymore, or even overtime for that matter.
▶ No.811372
>>810954
I sure hope you don't have any negative feelings towards immigrants or refugees, wouldn't want the authorities to know that you have wrongthink now would we?
▶ No.811390
>>810924 (OP)
>most of the data collected is useless meta data
As NSA General Counsel Stewart Baker has said, “metadata absolutely tells you everything about somebody’s life. If you have enough metadata, you don’t really need content.” When I quoted Baker at a recent debate at Johns Hopkins University, my opponent, General Michael Hayden, former director of the NSA and the CIA, called Baker’s comment “absolutely correct,” and raised him one, asserting, “We kill people based on metadata.”
▶ No.811406>>811644
wtf I love the CIA and NSA now...
It's like some kind of Stockholm Syndrome. What would I do without their little kyuudere observation? It's free attention whenever I want. I basically exist to entertain them now, and I like the role. They can have all the data and dirt they want on me, and I can't wait to buy the new Intel management engine equipped CPU and then post about manufacturing hard drugs, dox myself on Tor while buying explosives, get all the Amazon IoT fluff... And uh basically I think I'm in love
With the NSA ofc, CIA is kinda eww
▶ No.811409
>>811195
Raqqa was taken by the sdf and the ypg.
You are free to do whatever the hell you want short of theft and murder.
You just might get blown up by us aircraft for driving in a open feild though.
▶ No.811644>>811648
>>811406
I amuse myself by hardening my security as much as possible and not going to any special lengths to hide it other than using Tor. It's fun in and of itself and if it causes them to waste resources on me, even more amusing.
▶ No.811648>>811650 >>811654 >>846329
>>811644
You are posting on 8ch. You are already on a watchlist for the rest of your life.
▶ No.811650>>811653
>>811648
>not using a VPN at all times
inb4
<cianiggers can magically decrypt anything instantly
▶ No.811653>>811657
>>811650
>not using tor behind a vpn
they can decrypt everything because AES is broken at the hardware level and collect it all techniques.
▶ No.811654
>>811648
How very Stasi of them.
▶ No.811659
>>811657
Jewgle "(insert hardware arcitecture here) random number generation broken" or "intel hardware accelerated RSA". Make sure to be behind six gorriolion proxies though.
▶ No.811684>>811688 >>846370 >>846537
>>810924 (OP)
Not only that, but they store it completely encrypted as well and decrypt it only via search warrant
Everything else beyond that is pure tinfoil speculation and argument by assertion.
THAT BEING SAID. I honestly don't blame people for being paranoid, and you shouldn't either. Regardless of wither or not they operate within the constitution (and I honestly have no real reason to believe they don't without any hardline evidence). Is most of it tinfoil hattery? Probably, but people have a right to wear the tinfoil hat
Personally though, I really don't think the NSA is as big a boogeyman as people made them out to be and I will comfortably use Windows 10 as that's the system I am familiar with that has all my programs and just werkz
▶ No.811688>>811709
>>811684
why do you assume they're telling the truth?
its more reasonable to assume they're lying. That isnt paranoia, its the only reasonable position acknowledging what we do know. If your junkie acquaintence stole money from you to buy heroin twice, assuming he might be the cause when you find money missing and refusing to let him in your house is not paranoia or trust problems, its reasonable.
Assuming the NSA collects all the data they're able to and looks at it whenever they feel like, not just when its OK, is reasonable in the same way.
▶ No.811709>>811719 >>811837
>>811688
>its more reasonable to assume they're lying.
Your premise is pure assertion thougg, it's entirely fallacious. On what ground would it be safer to assume they're lying?
▶ No.811710
>see a shitty bait thread
>all these responses
▶ No.811718>>811837
>>811026
>Oy vey goy, we have to keep track of your every move to ensure that no one does any bad goy things!
>Just keep this tracking device on you, let us read the contents of every file you ever write or read, and let us listen in on every phone call, text message, and internet session you are ever a part of!
>What do you have to hide, goy?
/leftypol/ is the worst kind of cattle. The kind that trots over to the slaughterhouse willingly, because he thinks the butcher knows best.
▶ No.811719>>811721 >>811738
>>811709
>not assuming the government is lying by default
▶ No.811721>>811723 >>811725 >>811837 >>846331
>>811719
Oh that's right. The same government who builds our highways and provides public libraries are actually lying by default. Thanks anonymous for your superior insight, truly you are superior to the government.
▶ No.811723
>>811721
Especially considering these (((governments))) are the same people who film child pornography and then try to blame plebs by framing them for (((their))) crimes.
▶ No.811725>>811726
>>811721
>The government builds roads!
>Therefore they're always telling the truth about everything!
Holy shit, dat non sequitur.
▶ No.811726>>811727 >>811734
>>811725
Are you butthurt that you've been proven wrong? I simply proved that the government doesn't lie by default. Unless you are selective of reading by which case, enjoy your blindness.
▶ No.811727
>>811726
>proved the government doesn't lie by default
... how? By stating that they build roads?
▶ No.811734
>>811726
>Him: "You should assume by default that the government is lying."
>You: "The government builds roads so you shouldn't assume they are lying. I've proven you wrong btw."
Amazing. You are either retarded or illiterate. Likely both.
▶ No.811735
>>811041
that image gave me cancer tbh
▶ No.811738>>811759 >>811779 >>812529
>>811719
Nigger, historically speaking, the the Federal government (with respect to top secret operation) does not actually lie about anything, they just withhold information and use subversion to trivialize its importance. But I don't think the NSA is outright telling false informatio
▶ No.811759>>812111
>>811738
>"The government doesn't lie, they just withhold the truth!"
You should probably stop while you're not too far behind.
▶ No.811779>>812111
>>811738
>The goverment never lies. Trust me.
Kek.
▶ No.811837>>811842 >>811849
>>811718
>obvious strawman troll
>he insulted /pol/ therefore he's /leftypol/ and is sincere
You just actively fucking search for excuses to masturbate over how much better you are than leftypol huh.
you could at least not masturbate so publicly.
>>811709
again, on grounds of the shit we know for a fact they do already, from leaks. the NSA is not your friend or worthy of trust.
>>811721
>mfw the NSA builds roads
▶ No.811842
>>811837
>mfw the NSA builds roads
Are you retarded? The social workers build the roads. The CIA deals with Gotham's sewers.
▶ No.811843
▶ No.811849>>811855
>>811837
>Calls someone who talks about basic internet safety /pol/. There is no part of the post linking him to /pol/.
>Gets called /leftypol/
>"You're looking for excuses to masturbate"
>"You are masturbating publicly."
The degenerate faggot just can't help himself, and must, at every opportunity, talk about dicks. This is his greatest obsession next to the /pol/ boogeyman.
▶ No.811855>>811922
>>811849
>gets called leftypol
this is the sticking point. it just came out of nowhere. that poster was obviously just trolling,but regardless of that, insulting /pol/!=leftypol.
You just want to call them /leftypol/ because they were saying something copmletely retarded and awful. It had nothing to do with anything /leftypol/ believes or talks about, but if you call them /leftypol/ you get to pretend those FUCKING COMMIE DEGENERATE KIKE BASTARDS are dumb bad awful evil NSA apologists.
Hence "masturbation"
noone wants to watch you masturbate.
▶ No.811875>>818298
its like this, yes thats true
heres the difference
NSA and many other agencies will target certain groups or individuals with their programs and will directly know what you are doing
then they will bait into doing something illegal or infiltrate your groups, you get fucked by the system after they have enough on you
this is used to destroy activism, whistleblowers, anything substancial you could do thats against the government or big corporations
even if you find all thats acceptable, theres more
say theres some big social misinformation
or coverup campaign, they will use it there as well
in the end they will use all this to blackmail everyone into compliance
its already happening,
Mockingbird program recruited fucking journalists
▶ No.811876
regular police officers etc arent guilty here, responsibility lies with the fuckers at the top and surveillance world that are fucking over ordinary people
▶ No.811877>>811889
only thing you can really do is push privacy, you cant really personally do anything against this giant system, you can also supports all these whistleblowers etc, there are also ways to support legislation that gives you more freedoms, also these organizations that also are pushing for these initiatives
▶ No.811879
>>810960
I just intercepted this beef
▶ No.811882
>>810972
>appeal to authority, appeal to authority everywhere
▶ No.811889>>811900 >>811904 >>818298
>>811877
you can reasonably mitigate mass surveilance. three letter agencies arent omniscient omnipresent gods. People always seem to get confused and mistake the fact that you probably cant stop it if you're individually targeted to mean that you cant do anything about any kind of surveilance.
▶ No.811900
>>811889
>you have a post 2008 intel cpu, so install google chrome
▶ No.811904
>>811889
You can delay it if you are individually targeted too. You just better start learning about EM security for your electronics along with FOSS =/= secure and opsec. FOSS just means your can fix it yourself.
▶ No.811922>>811931
>>811855
>it came out of nowhere
You mean like the other guy calling anyone who cares about privacy /pol/?
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▶ No.812111>>812114 >>812116
>>811759
>>811779
The government does not outright state false information. That's never how they operated. Again, it's about using psycop to trivialize the importance of documentation while also witholding information. The only retards here are you people treating real life like some fucking action movie as if the US government is some super evil all-knowing council with superpowers instead of the reality where it's a woefully inefficient bureaucracy.
But please continue arguing by assertion. You don't look like angsty teenagers trying desperately to fit in and 'fight the man'
▶ No.812114
>>812111
>The government does not outright state false information.
That is provably wrong for the united states government. You and they are liars.
▶ No.812116
>>812111
>making knowingly fallacious claims isn't really lying, it's just withholding the truth, which is completely different
This is pilpul levels of doublethink.
▶ No.812128>>812250
>>811017
If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to say. You're a kike-loving shill who would bend over for anyone.
▶ No.812227>>812260
I wish I had nothing to hide.
I'd be a happier person then.
▶ No.812250
>>812128
You're a shill loving kike who would bend over for your mom.
▶ No.812260
>>812227
government has the most to hide
think about that
▶ No.812262
>>810924 (OP)
Yes, NSA really is that bad
▶ No.812522>>812523 >>846535
>>810928
This, and they're really good at hiring just the right kind of people too.
They should terrify normal Americans. It's literally a super-Stasi.
▶ No.812523
>>812522
hawt
They are more laughable then they are anything. They suck so hard at their jobs that they can't even shill right with access to infiltrate every electronic device on the earth.
▶ No.812529
>>811738
>Nigger, historically speaking, the the Federal government (with respect to top secret operation) does not actually lie about anything, they just withhold information and use subversion to trivialize its importance
<Nigger, the Federal government does not actually lie about anything
<they just withhold information
<and use subversion
> trust me /:')
▶ No.812537
>>810972
Kill yourself CIA nigger
▶ No.812598>>812807 >>846535
NSA spying is a poltard conspiracy
▶ No.812787>>812800
>>810924 (OP)
It's pretty bad. Even if you're right and they actually destroy the data after 5 years, it has serious implications.
If the US actually gets a bona-fide dictator, the NSA will be his #1 tool. It's the Statzi's wet dream.
And no, Trump doesn't count. The man not only fired all his core advisors, but also appointed a pussy as Attorney General and filled his ranks with military-industrial-complex niggers too shortsighted to see anything other than endless war in the Middle East. Then, he begs on Twitter for people to "Do Something".
▶ No.812800>>812803
>>812787
>being this buthurt about trump's calling for action against the corruption
▶ No.812801>>812804 >>812900
>>810949
>>810955
Why do you keep posting random /pol/ screenshots? Has your schizophrenia finally caught up with you?
▶ No.812803
>>812800
No, it's more butthurt at his undignified attitude.
He got fucking elected to take out this corruption.
He spent the whole campaign telling everyone that the government was corrupt and that he was going to put all these criminals into jail.
Then, he gets elected, fires half of everyone he promised were "Great guys, the best guys I know", and then complains on Twitter that nothing is working.
He's the fucking President. He was supposed to be the solution.
Anyway, I'm a Ron/Rand Paul nigger. He's not always likeable, but at least he's got some principle and backbone.
▶ No.812807>>812808
>>812598
>what is prism
>what is xkeyscore
<HURR anyone who thinks the NSA is spying on them is /pol/!
▶ No.812808>>812811 >>813752
>>812807
I actually got an agent angry enough to post a picture of what they use. Not sure what you would call it, but it's the successor to xkeyscore alright.
▶ No.812811>>812813
>>812808
So apperently they track all encrypted or otherwise torrent downloads somehow in realtime just to serve warrents to them even if they haven't done anything illegal. Interesting.
▶ No.812813>>812819
>>812811
Last I heard of these things, they only track hashes/torrent swarms of illegal content.
However, they're for local police departments. There's no telling what the National Stasi Agency uses.
▶ No.812819>>812823
>>812813
That one is tracking multiple cities across a state. It ain't for local police departments that's for sure. It's also tracking by ip adress and torrent software, not the hash, swarm, or content. By the looks of the icons they also (((investigate))) people even if they have no proof of wrong doing it seems. With a tracker for search warrents and arrests, implying they also have very good access to all those different police departments arrest and warrent data in realtime.
▶ No.812823
>>812819
>It ain't for local police departments that's for sure.
Shit, you're right about that, I missed it.
>It's also tracking by ip adress and torrent software, not the hash, swarm, or content.
It looks like they are tracking by hash/content. The first column is "Infohash", and the second is "Files", which presumably is a link describing (or actually including) the content.
Still, it's odd that the search boxes specify location, then IP address, almost as if this is a "dirt finder" tool on people.
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>>812801
Wish I had saved those threads. Only took pictures.
▶ No.812901>>813521
>>812900
Wtf. That's the wrong picture
▶ No.812926
>>812900
>Evalion
Sage for off topic, but she might be engaging in tax fraud at the moment, if anyone is interested.
>>>/cow/219163 (at the bottom)
▶ No.813166>>813241 >>813247 >>813258 >>846535
>hurr the NSA spies on people
If the NSA spied we'd be locked up by now. Paranoid spergs.
▶ No.813241>>813478
>>813166
>he thinks there's only 3000 people using this website
>he thinks evereyone lives in america
Lurk two years.
▶ No.813247
>>813166
Why would they shut down a perfectly good honeypot? What would they gain from showing their capabilities?
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▶ No.813478>>813487
>>813241
Are you retarded? What is this post trying to imply. 8ch has no more than 5 thousand active users, otherwise the posts per minute would be substantially higher.
▶ No.813487>>813498
>>813478
You should try advertising on 8ch. I hear it's really effective.
▶ No.813498
>>813487
The size of 8ch now is what cuckchan was a decade ago, each big board has at least 500k posts.
▶ No.813521>>813522
>>812901
Can you explain what was the thread about?
I don't understand what the top post is saying in your pic.
Don't even understand "pozzing".
Was the guy describing a way to destroy hardware backdoor using some lasers?
Thanks.
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>>813521
Oh ok I think he was describing a way to build a printer yourself, without the possibility to ID your printed papers.
▶ No.813752
>>812808
that's a website fam just startpage it
▶ No.818283>>818286 >>818342
The NSA protects our freedom
▶ No.818286
>>818283
>t. nigger cattle
▶ No.818294>>818298
>>810967
> "HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN!?"
It's pretty simple fam: jews in power, wars in middle-east, massive non-white immigration since 1965.
A + B + C = terrorism. The rest is security theatre, and police state shenanigans.
▶ No.818298
>>810943
>The NSA protects us from terrorism and wrongdoers. Ignore the russian conspiracies that it is a bad thing.
people who fight jews, zionism, israel are terrorists or wrongdoers?
people who fight for pedosexual people rights are terrorists or wrongdoers?
people who release data about corrupt government officials are terrorists or wrongdoers?
>>811160
>The government are the evildoers. We send 40B to Israel and no one blinks. They're robbing and killing us.
exactly. it's the government who is criminal. and we need to REMOVE that criminal. we need to take the country from jews and corrupt shits. they need to be erased.
>>811875
>NSA and many other agencies will target certain groups or individuals with their programs and will directly know what you are doing
>then they will bait into doing something illegal or infiltrate your groups, you get fucked by the system after they have enough on you
>this is used to destroy activism, whistleblowers, anything substancial you could do thats against the government or big corporations
>even if you find all thats acceptable, theres more
NSA, government, CIA, FBI, etc they work for corporations and richest people, not for us
just like INTEL, AMD, don't work for consumers (you or me), they work for NWO (New World Order), that's why they put anti-features like ME, PSP
the richest people and their corporations will have to pay for their crimes against us. it has to be horrible
>>811889
>you can reasonably mitigate mass surveilance. three letter agencies arent omniscient omnipresent gods. People always seem to get confused and mistake the fact that you probably cant stop it if you're individually targeted to mean that you cant do anything about any kind of surveilance.
and what's important, they don't have infinite resources. targeting specific people for special surveillance and hacking is expensive.
now if all (or most) people would take anti-surveillance measures, they couldn't target all of us, they simply don't have enough money and manpower, and won't have
that's why it's so important to shill encryption (non-microsoft, non-proprietary), Tor & TorBrowser, other anonymity networks and protocols, open source OS, firewalls, OPSEC, etc. the more people start using that, the less NSA (and others) are capable of surveillance, the more safety for everyone
>>818294
< "HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN!?"
>It's pretty simple fam: jews in power, wars in middle-east, massive non-white immigration since 1965.
>A + B + C = terrorism. The rest is security theatre, and police state shenanigans.
the cow in the room: http://i12.pixs.ru/storage/4/9/6/cowinthero_2414470_28269496.png
we need to physically eliminate the cow from the room. The austrian painter was right
▶ No.818305
>>810924 (OP)
>fearmongering?
‘We Kill People Based on Metadata’
/thread
▶ No.818342
>>818283
>81 82 83
CONFIRMED
▶ No.818352>>818376 >>818398 >>844440
Kind of related but I was at the gym yesterday with my ass on a treadmill after lifting and was too lazy to turn the channel from CNN. William Binney was a "noted conspiracy theorist."
The propaganda is out of control.
Ultimately yeah, the NSA does store some content and all metadata for a very long time, like 5-10 years. Because they can, and because it might be useful to investigations in the future.
But the real point is safeguards on this power.
They didn't bother with an in-house solution that preserved some semblance of constitutional protections, and instead went with some privatized shit that did the bare minimum on a much larger budget.
And also, they use intelligence like metadata far too confidently. Someone has a phone that has contacted terrorists? You end up blowing some sandnigger's niece up because some camel fucking sandnigger borrowed their niece's phone. Or even the fact that one degree of separation from a mass murderer does not mean you're a mass murderer. Nor would it even be justified if they had not actually killed anyone, or even if they had.
It's that simple. It's not some evil "we're looking at all your shit" it's just "we might need this because the terrorists" and because of no safeguards it can, and probably will be abused.
All you need to do is look at the storeis behind each winner of the Sams Award to see the real story. Most people don't know what that is, or care. Intelligence agencies can be responsible.
▶ No.818356
>>810924 (OP)
it's like they're not even trying anymore.
▶ No.818374
Between the law enforcement shills encouraging everyone to 'just relax and loosen up your anus, everythings fine' and the Russian shills using it for agitation propaganda, and the actual nutcases wailing about the joos, I'm glad there are still a few people with a sane grip and perspective on the mass surveillance problem and what needs to be done about it. Steady on.
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▶ No.818386>>818398 >>818406 >>844440
>NSA can (allegedly) view the Internet activities of (almost) everyone on the planet
>they claim to do this to prevent terrorism
>terrorist attacks are still a frequent occurrence
Somebody isn’t doing their job.
▶ No.818398>>828768
>>818386
That's because the "job" in this context is just over-complicated.
The real point behind >>818352 is that collecting a large haystack of data doesn't necessarily mean that you will prevent anything. You've just made the job harder and end up with more false positives than not.
That's why real intelligence analysts and detectives are respected. They do their job and do it well. They follow leads, they explore networks, they tap embassies and they infiltrate groups. They use the intelligence gathered from these to let policy makers draw conclusions and make decisions.
Storing decades worth of metadata and content just over complicates this process.
▶ No.818406
>>818386
The NSA is being used to protect Israeli interests. Terrorism is supported and often financed by Israel.
▶ No.818667
>spend billions gathering shit tons of data, more data than they can even sort through
>oh yea were just like facebook and throw it away later for no reason HUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEE
▶ No.818668>>828695
>>810937
redpill
>the nsa knew about the orlando nightclub shooting, joker movie theater shooter guy, boston bombing, vegas shooter, and everything else before it happening and chose to let it happen
or
>the nsa doesn't know shit and just wants to make everyone fear surveillance from the panopticon effect
pick one
▶ No.818669
>>811003
"if you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about!"
yea, until the nsa's definition of wrong suddenly changes and differs from everyone elses.
▶ No.828686
Look OP. all you have to know is that EVERY service in the USA that claims to help you...is really just extortion. child protective services, security agency doesn't make you MORE SECURE, just spies on you to degrade your rights.
▶ No.828689
>>810972
Seeing how I'd like a career in government some day that is a very real concern. I'd probably be fucked if I were vetted even for a low-ranking position that might deal with sensitive information.
▶ No.828693
>>810924 (OP)
Run for political office and let me know.
▶ No.828695
>>818668
They don't employ psychics, they're interested in signals intelligence. Mostly intercepting phone calls and emails from high profile targets.
Did the MK ULTRA MIND CONTROL Joker shooter or any of your other examples communicate their intentions electronically?
▶ No.828718
>>810936
gave me a chuckle
▶ No.828730
>>810972
write down ITT your email username and password. you got nothing to hide right? also your facebook and twitter login details and a complete list of every single website and downloaded file for the past 30 days
▶ No.828768>>846535
>>818398
It's funny because a retired DHS employee went on to write a book and do videos about how quickly he was able to follow trails, and used the Orlando shooting as an example. He pointed out that there were already obvious terrorism connections pointing to the killer, but they were all ignored.
http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/dhs-whistleblower-orlando-terror-linked-to-san-bernardino/
▶ No.829295>>831955
muh NSA spying is a scapegoat by alt-right retards to avoid talking about trump
▶ No.831046
>>810936
Yeah, the NSA sure hasn't corrupted every level of development around IT infrastructure worldwide.
▶ No.831952>>844429
>>810936
The Snowden leaks were clearly fabrications that he made in his spare time with Powerpoint in between fap sessions to fool his boss with the impression that he was actually working.
▶ No.831955>>841789
>>829295
>implying there is more than one party in america
▶ No.841789
>>831955
>implying theres more then one party in the entire world now
▶ No.844426
The NSA does nothing illegal or wrong, only the TORpedo community would complain about their sex rings being exposed
▶ No.844427
Look goyim, we can do this the easy way and you give us your data willingly or we shoot your dog then kick in your door and take it from you.
▶ No.844429
>>831952
t. government expert
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▶ No.844440>>846510
>Is Dear Leader really that bad or is tinfoil fearmongering? most of the data collected is useless meta data and it's destroyed after someone exfiltrates it to Worst Korea.
I'm sure Dear Leader has your best interests at heart. You should trust him. Dear Leader would like to trust you, too. But you're too paranoid, forcing Dear Leader to monitor you closely in order to protect you from yourself.
>>818352
>Nor would it even be justified if they had not actually killed anyone, or even if they had.
I draw the line at sandniggers. All islamists want to destroy every other belief and every other state. While I'd rather be rid of them, monitoring them is the next best option. If they don't like a cam up their ass they can go blow shit up in Arabia. What doesn't help preventing terrorism is monitoring people who aren't sandniggers (or, worse, converts) in the first place.
>>818386
Why contain it? More attacks means more recruits flock to the Islamic State and more funding to the NSA. It's a win/win.
▶ No.846327
no even collecting """useless""" metadata is wrong even if it is "destroyed" after any amount of time.
this thread tastes like shit.
▶ No.846329>>846374
>>811648
They just want to see my loli animu.
▶ No.846330>>846535
>>810924 (OP)
If the data the NSA is collecting is useless, why do they bother collecting it?
2/10 if shill, 5/10 if troll for getting all these (You)s.
▶ No.846331
>>811721
It's still stupid to believe every bs they have.
▶ No.846370
>>811684
I bet your windblows 10 just won't werk in 10 or 15 years then you'll be forced to get Windblows 12 cause they fucked up windblows 11. I bet your one of those faggots who installed chrome browser cause Google says it works better with it but then you switched back to edge so you can save battery power. lulz, guy just stop, my sides have already fell off
▶ No.846374>>846390
>>846329
But I can't find any, Google blocks it saying suspected child abuse, I assure you id never touch a real loli. Just like how I play video games of killing innocent people, I'd never kill anyone who was innocent of doing nothing at all unless they were supposed to be doing something else instead of nothing like being paid by taxes to help people but you don't and neglect them... I'd kill someone for that...but that's a bit of different scenario than just looking at loli.
▶ No.846390>>846427 >>846516
>>846374
I'm sure some people would buy a simulator about tax evading.
▶ No.846401>>846535
>>810924 (OP)
>most of the data collected is useless meta data and it's destroyed after 5 years of collection.
Are you sure about that? --John Cena
Useless. Are you sure?
Only metadata. Are you sure?
Destroyed after 5 years. Are you sure?
0/10 troll.
▶ No.846427
>>846390
I was referring to companies and organizations who get money from pple who pay taxes so they can help the less fortunate, like the dhs office where I live. They never pick up phones and when I go there like 70% of pple leave Cause they have been waiting most of the day. That's what I was talking about anon.
▶ No.846510
>>844440
Islamic terrorism wouldn't be an issue if white people weren't such pussies.
▶ No.846516
>>846390
An educational game about saving taxes actually sounds like a good product idea. Do it right and your customers will be back for an updated version every year.
▶ No.846535
>>810936
>>812598
>>813166
>it's CY-3
>>812522
The NSA are losing their best because of low morale, paranoia and bad working enviorment. If the Snowden revelations brought NSA confidence to its knees, the Shadow Brokers fiasco executed it: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2017/11/long_article_on_1.html for comments and https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/12/us/nsa-shadow-brokers.html for the article itself. I you want to milk NSA lulz, read the New York Times article. The NSA now has to build up their arsenal of "cyberweapons" again. And everyone is a suspect co-conspirator with the Shadow Brokers. If there is one place I wouldn't want to work, it's there.
>>828768
Terrorists and counter terrorists feed on each other; they are in a symbiotic relationship.
>>846330
They are thinking
<What if we accidentally find that piece of information we need? We just need to soak up everything, then analyze later.
>>846401
Know that the NSA's definition of metadata includes keywords from the content itself. Just like they invent their own definition for "collection" to mean only that it has been captured AND looked at by a human analyst.
▶ No.846536
>>811003
>redtext
>all caps
>non argument
cuckchan kill yourself pls
▶ No.846537
>>811684
>Everything else beyond that is pure tinfoil speculation and argument by assertion.
You know it's been proven over the past like 5 years the NSA has been actively subverting various software and firmware, even hardware in specific circumstances on a regular basis right? We are all less secure because of what they've been doing for a multitude of reasons
▶ No.847567>>847655
>>810924 (OP)
>Is the NSA really that bad or is tinfoil fearmongering? most of the data collected is useless meta data and it's destroyed after 5 years of collection.
I mean, they're definitely collecting far more they admit, conducting programs that are wildly illegal and ignoring civil liberties and rights but on the other hand there's a war on and on the whole these acts are justified given the scenario.
▶ No.847647
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THE NSA
http://archive.is/Ut8pJ
▶ No.847655>>848332
>>847567
>there's a (((war)))
>these acts are justified given the scenario
First day on the job?
▶ No.848332
>>847655
The (((war))) is called being alive. Maybe it's time for you to quit dithering and pick a fucking side.
▶ No.848405
fuck off you cia glow-in-the-dark nigger