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When you boot into a new OS, such as this obscure thingamajig we being turbonerds know about, how do you determine the usability of it in a production environment? I can configure it all I want and image my configuration in order to not do it again, but who knows if 3 months from now it turns out to be terrible?
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2) is it written in SPARK or Memory-Safe Rust
▶ No.806976>>808913
A) Has it hard locked in the past decade?
▶ No.806983
It's not that obscure, it's a variant of FreeBSD to make it more accommodating to desktop users. Usability depends on your requirements.
▶ No.806986>>806988 >>806996
Mostly I care about how heavy and bloated an OS is from the start.
I'm a poorfag, so if any feature at all takes too much time to open in an OS, I won't consider it good for use.
Ubuntu, Mint, Deepin, elementary OS, Endless OS, Manjaro and the like are horrible in this aspect, which is why I would never use them ever. Basically, anything too flashy will decrease my performance and make me not want to use it. An OS MUST be able to keep up with me and my shitty 2011 Samsung laptop.
I've been using Openbox+conky+tint2 for a while now and quite honestly it removed any and all desire I had to use a proper DE. I would never use anything with Cinnamon, Unity, GNOME or KDE due to performance, but now even XFCE, MATE and LXDE look unnecessary to me. I can do almost everything they do in a more personal way (mostly copying config files from other users and changing them slightly) without the bloated code that makes it flashy and slower.
So yeah, full blown DE's are kinda meh in the current year.
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>>806986
If you're OP, then why not just use plain FreeBSD then.
▶ No.806989>>806995
>>806988
*omit last then. And the reason, is that you can install exactly what you want, and even remove anything you consider 'bloat' from the packages you build. That said, you should probably use binary packages if your machine isn't too performant, compiling x11 stuff is rather arduous.
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>>806988
>>806989
Not OP. Never actually bothered with BSD at all. Will try it out.
▶ No.806996>>807587
>>806986
There are plenty of tiny linux distros and BSD variants.
Void, Alpine, Sta.li... They,re all pretty light on resources.
Wayland + something light like sway could help(warning, never tried it myself)
BSDs you primarily want NetBSD or OpenBSD, both still target the 486 CPUs and can run on 32MB of RAM.
Use OpenBSDs CWM and you will have something that will use 2/5ths of fuck all.
You can save an OpenBSD autoinstall script to have your base.
Another option is to use NixOS(warning systemd) or GuixSD, you can define your entire OS as a conf file to ensure you really have no bloat.
▶ No.806998
>>806966 (OP)
>Riced KDE4
>WARAI OTOKO (aka anime shit)
I kept hearing good things about True or but it looks like it's no substitute for FreeBSD.
▶ No.807001
>>806995
You can even compile your own kernel to remove bloat you don't want (It's all menu driven).
All you need: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/
▶ No.807004>>807005 >>807060 >>807152
If it's written in C or C++, it's shit and will probably be responsible for the next Heartbleed, Shellshock, Stuxnet, "goto fail", or Equifax hack. C++ code can be pwned by analyzing certain DNA sequences. Imagine hackers putting shellcode in DNA. A DNS query can take over your computer if you use systemd. Audio, video, and even a still image can let a hacker take control. Just creating a thumbnail can do it. Even the "strings" command can fuck you up.
If it's written in Ada, it's a lot better. Ada has bounds checking and doesn't use null-terminated strings, so none of these bugs can happen.
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>>807004
>Shellshock
>Bash = C
>Equifax
>Java = C
>Not knowing they purposefully made the DNA machine vulnerable as a proof of concept.
C has its problems but at least use ones that aren't either unrelated or do insane things, Heartbleed was caused by ssl rolling its own memory management and having debug always on.
▶ No.807007>>807008
Usability.
Does it have the tools I and/or my team need to get their job done in an efficient way. Not only does the OS come with its own tools to do so but are the software tools there that everyone will need and can agree to work with?
And support...what would support look like for any problems down the road? How much could it potentially cost in money and lost time?
Ease of assimilation should also be considered. If this is to be a desktop environment for my production team to use then how easy will a new employee be able to get into using it? There is a reason why Windows is so common for desktop environments in offices.
Another factor is portability. This kind of goes under long-term support. Am I able to get this OS/environment to run on newer hardware should the need arise? Am I dooming myself and my team to third-rate hardware because what I'm using is some barely supported hipster bullshit?
Vendor Lock-In is also another consideration. But since we're generally talking about "Free" operating systems in this thread, this is something you need not worry too much about.
At the end of the day, the OS just needs to work just like the software on it needs to just work with little to no hassle at all to yourself and your team.
With that said, I like to tinker and experiment and I have recently started poking around with FreeBSD. I got as far as finishing the install and taking my sweet time (procrastinating) in getting the rest of it up to speed. Mainly because I am reading through the manual in a way I never did for other OSs.
I have to say, at this point, I don't see a reason why anybody would use BSD as a desktop environment especially when nearly every GNU+Linux distribution is pushed as a desktop OS. Yes yes I know you can use it as a server and whatever but it is clear Linux has the superior support, out of the box, in every major/popular distribution for it.
BSD strikes me as something you'd want to run your back-ends on.
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>>807007
>BSD strikes me as something you'd want to run your back-ends on.
He wants no thrills, so he's not going to need cutting edge graphics drivers, BSD will be fine.
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>>807004
so an OS like Plan9/Inferno?
▶ No.807062>>807066
If it requires/recommends mouse, I'm not interested.
Has to be immediately programmable, dev tools are inherently part of the OS.
Documentation on disk that doesn't suck. So no incomplete/outdated HOWTOs, and no going online to browse endless wikis...
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>>807062
Hard to beat (any) of the BSDs when it comes to documentation and quality man pages.
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>>807066
They don't write documentation to software i actually wants to use normally.
▶ No.807144>>807500
is it made by apple?
good
is it not made by apple?
bad
▶ No.807152>>807172
>>807004
>C++ code can be pwned by analyzing certain DNA sequences
What the fuck are you talking about
▶ No.807172>>808482
>>807152
Some scientifc program that analyzes DNA samples can be used to gain root when feeding it certain samples.
▶ No.807174
>>807060
Plan 9 is another Bell Labs turd, deliberately bad, while being bloated. With the features it provides, it should fit on a floppy disk several times, but it doesn't even have dynamic linking because Rob Pike doesn't know how to do it right.
▶ No.807478>>807498
It depends on what roles you expect the OS to fill, which may be different depending on who you ask
Too me, a general purpose operating system should fulfill the following roles;
1.) Build the kernel for engineers and developers, build the userland for users, keep the two separate and mutually exclusive. Do not mix kernel design philosophies with userland design philosophies. the user experience is paramount
2.) The OS should provide a way of developing native applications for it out of the box as a built in feature (which unfortunately is still an alien concept to most OS designers)
▶ No.807498>>807604
>>807478
It was better in the old days. Machine booted into ROM BASIC, and you had full access to every part of hardware, just by POKEing some machine code in memory and running it. I don't even like this kernels vs. userland divide. Computer should run my code at highest level, I do what I want, when I want. Computer should be simple enough to comfortably program in assembly. Basically Terry Davis has the right idea, but I don't like x86. M680x0 was just about perfect. After that things went to shit. I don't need all these multicores and memory and GPU and other shit. I need simple hardware that's transparent enough to control directly, and not depend on someone else to make OS that I'm not gonna like anyway, because they're all shit.
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>>807144
>is it made by apple?
>bad
>is it not made by apple?
>bad
Fixed. All modern software is shit.
▶ No.807504>>809091
>>806966 (OP)
THE BEST!
Enjoy!
▶ No.807574>>808093
Is it fast, secure, stable, convenient, does it have large, well maintained repos, lots of hardware drivers, a large support community, and it's likely to still be around in a few years? Do the maintainers and admins have a good attitude and no commercial incentive to screw over their user base for profit?
If so, it's Debian, and that's what you should be using. Slackware second, but when Volkerding goes, it'll be ripped apart by wolves and turn to shit.
▶ No.807587
>>806996
CWM is comfy as fuck. How I ever used anything else I have no idea.
▶ No.807604
>>807498
Apple ][ had all of that: BASIC in rom on the mobo with peek/poke. But you didn't need it because it had something better, 'the monitor' on rom. You could read and modify memory in hexadecimal format, or disassemble it as you scrolled through it. Open the monitor, modify or enter some hex code and execute it. If you had the old integer BASIC rom, you could execute programs one instruction at a time. You could also easily modify the hardware or fix it yourself. Wozniak was a much cooler guy than Jobs.
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>>807779
No
>>807781
Only if you're not on a watch list
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>>807787
Antergos?
I'm downloading that right now - it's basically arch-linux with some extra drivers.
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Here's something I wrote on another thread in here, maybe you can make a suggestion
>Picking up a laptop from a pawn shop tomorrow for $181.00 (after Taxes) - I would have gotten it today, but the lady had to wipe all the previous owner's stuff off of it. I told her I would do it at home, but she insisted.
>Its a 1-year old Lenovo G-50, Core i3 Intel Processor.
>I'm going to chuck some more RAM into it and put in an SSD, maybe like a 128GB SSD Drive, no partition, nothing too big, and just make it a dedicated Linux 'Box' -
>Any suggestions for OS?
>I was trying to run Pure OS on another machine, but I can only get it to run live off of a USB stick which only pissed me off. I could image it over to the drive, but I think its not worth the hassle.
>I'm leaning now a little more towards the lines of BlackArch now, as I feel that I would have more fun screwing around with that.
>Maybe I will get another or an extra battery, depending on what this one acts like.
>Your opinion matters and affects my self esteem. please let me know what you think.
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>>807787
i shouldn't use tails if im flagged, why?
▶ No.807905>>808930
>>806966 (OP)
>QupZilla
I can already tell that it isn't good enough for day to day desktop use.
▶ No.808093>>808113
>>807574
I can back this anon up.
Debian is what I dual-boot
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>>808093
systemDebian respects your freedums
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>>808113
not the same anon but systemd is p simple to remove from Debian as per instructions here: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Debian_Stretch
▶ No.808475>>808933
if I was op, I'd start with debian cli, remove sysd, add wayland or X and go with i3 wm
▶ No.808481>>808933
>>808474
Considering you are probably then using another repo you might as well use Devuan.
▶ No.808482
>>807172
Is the genome or whateverthefuck real? It would make me zuz if someone's genes could hack a computer.
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▶ No.808930
>>807905
At least it's not webkit.
▶ No.808933>>808941 >>808943
>>808475
>>808481
I'd rather start without systemd than start with it and have to hack some clusterfuck solution to get rid of it.
▶ No.808941>>808948 >>808949
>>808933
Or you know since if you fuck around with the init you'd be personally responsile if it fails you can leave it alone since it's the best thing to happen to open-source software since Linux and Devuan is a Microsoft psyopresponsile
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>>808933
Or you know since if you fuck around with the init you'd be personally responsible if it fails you can leave it alone since it's the best thing to happen to open-source software since some finn wrote a kernel and released it under the GPL.
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>>808941
>>808943
I think your bot is broken.
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>>808941
>>808943
poettering pls die
▶ No.808951>>808952
>>808948
"Error: Wrong password." I don't get it, or why rights to post deletion aren't managed by cookies in the first place. But the only place you'll find spergs spergy enough to have a problem with a good piece of software are here where one doesn't need to be knowledgeable to have a voice.
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>>808951
>Can't fugure out a Sri Lankan basket weaving message board
>Calls self expert
Yeah, I'll just stick to Void or OpenBSD and avoid cancerD altogether, thanks.
▶ No.808953>>808961 >>808977
>>808952
Post your Void or OpenBSD workstation, faggot. Or your Windows gaymen "battlestation".
▶ No.808961>>808964 >>808972
>>808953
The document on display might be of particular interest to you since you seem to have skipped some classes in shill school.
▶ No.808964>>808968
>>808961
I said workstation, not shitpost machine. Or do you seriously do nothing but read muh redpill nonsense and fear the man coming for you for reading it? Buy a gun.
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>>808968
I clearly said workstation, gaymer scum.
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>>808961
I always looked at an OS as just a tool to get something done, so I'm fluid with what I use. What made you stick with Void?
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>>808969
Number 5 on the displayed document.
▶ No.808974>>808983
>>808972
Because Arch went with SystemD mainly. Lets me build a system essentially the way I want without having to compile everything.
▶ No.808975>>808980
>>808972
Yes, an OS is a tool. You don't use tools that are known to be defective. And distros with systemd are known to be defective.
▶ No.808977
>>808953
As a huge faggot I found systemD just couldn't fill this gaymers void.
▶ No.808978>>808981
>>808973
I don't think you bought that 3.5GB display adapter in order to quicker render the resistance.
▶ No.808979
>>808972
It's the most hackery-looking OS with which you can virtue signal against systemd without doing anything that would take any effort or hold up your computer and prevent you from rebooting into your gaymen battlestation.
▶ No.808980
>>808975
That's only relative to what you use it for. Normalfags who want to meme on facebook don't give two shits about systemD, so when someone asks me to fix an issue on their windows 7 malwarebox, I throw Ubuntu on it and they leave me alone.
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>>808978
Number 6 and number 13 on the displayed document.
▶ No.808983
>>808974
that's pretty neat tbh. trying it on virtualbox now
▶ No.808984>>808989
>>808981
"Yawn."
Which commandments did that response break?
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>>808989
I'd have said 8, but it's your rag.
▶ No.809017
>>806973
Well, TrueOS is based on FreeBSD, so I guess not
▶ No.809091
>>807504
but can it go into the anus?