▶ No.751553>>751905 >>775915 >>824330
Gentoo is truly the patrician master race of GNU + Linux. Good thread, excellent taste.
▶ No.751560>>824332
>>751551 (OP)
Eggscelent.
I'm too lazy to swap udev with mdev on my nintendo wii otherwise i'd make a post.
▶ No.751566>>751568 >>751836 >>831950
I'm considering trying to use gentoo again, but by the time I have figured out how use flags work and why I can never seem to use them right, couldn't I have already figured out how to install a desktop environment on OpenBSD?
▶ No.751568>>751572 >>826532 >>827353
▶ No.751572>>751578 >>792173 >>804035
>>751568
But I'm the end-user; why should this at all matter to me?
▶ No.751578>>751579 >>751677 >>751764
>>751572
>cuck license
>ever
▶ No.751579>>751585
>>751578
Even Stallman uses cuck-licensed software
▶ No.751580>>751855
>transparency
You call that minmaxing, you ricer faggot?
▶ No.751582>>751592
Looking for benchmarks or even speculation regarding the compilation process for:
>1: tmpfs for compilations small enough for RAM and HDD compilations for the rest
>2: tmpfs for everything relying on swap for extra memory
I'm attempting option 2 right now by compiling libreoffice with the 6GB memory check disabled. I'm guessing that soon my computer is going to become unusable or the compile will out-of-memory kill itself. This is probably a bad idea.
▶ No.751583>>751599
This is a strange question, but can you run selinux without PAM?
▶ No.751585>>751713
>>751579
>using a whole OS full of licensecuckery
>the same as using a couple pieces of cucked software
pick one
▶ No.751592>>751593 >>751769 >>785719
>>751582
Never mind. Linux doesn't treat ramdisks the same as it would regular memory, so it doesn't get swapped, and as a result there's probably no way around grinding your system to a halt during a huge compilation.
▶ No.751593>>751595
>>751592
If frequent page faults are unavoidable, have you just tried just using a swap file/partition? Might be better just to get a memory upgrade in the long run.
▶ No.751595
>>751593
There's no problem. I was just trying to be clever by splitting a large compilation across ramdisk and hard disk when there's plenty of excess RAM to speed it up. Evidently this isn't supported or simple.
▶ No.751599
>>751583
Yes, see Android. No PAM, no poettering, no drepper.
▶ No.751607>>751686 >>751843 >>751961 >>768501 >>776015
Consider switching to the git repo if you haven't. The downsides are that the repo is 504MB at the moment,so the initial sync will take a while, and this disk usage will only increase. However, there's no courtesy request to sync at most once per day and every subsequent sync will take far less bandwidth and time than rsync would due to git's efficiency.
#/etc/portage/repos.conf/gentoo.conf
[DEFAULT]
main-repo = gentoo
[gentoo]
location = /usr/portage/
sync-type = git
sync-uri = https://github.com/gentoo-mirror/gentoo
auto-sync = true
▶ No.751675
That's bloated man! My first Slackware install was on a 486 with 4 MB RAM. Kernel 1.2.8.
▶ No.751676>>751718
>>751569
Does that actually run without crashing on a 4 MB DS Lite? I tried DSLinux but most of the programs just crash when they run out of memory. Penguin kernel got bloated over 20 years.
▶ No.751677
>>751578
Thanks for acting as decoy. ;^)
▶ No.751686>>751704 >>751710
>>751607
or just use funtoo which has used git for fucking ever and has ZERO systemd components unlike gentoo
oh it also comes with a prebuilt kernel that supports all hardware so you dont need to spend 3 days compiling your own
why the fuck do people even use gentoo ?
▶ No.751704>>752078 >>752079
>>751686
>or just use funtoo which has used git for fucking ever
Why am I supposed to care? It works well in Gentoo.
>and has ZERO systemd components unlike gentoo
*Removes them from upstream (Gentoo).
>oh it also comes with a prebuilt kernel that supports all hardware so you dont need to spend 3 days compiling your own
Linux takes a few minutes to compile, it's not Firefox or LLVM. Having everything compiled is just bloat; what's the difference between Funtoo and shit distros like Arch?
>using forked distros
Always a recipe for disaster.
▶ No.751709
▶ No.751710
>>751686
we need more idiots like you on /g/ to offset the corporate shills
▶ No.751713>>793690
>>751585
Stallman also said that he wouldn't mind recommending OpenBSD to someone he knew would compile the kernel without proprietary firmware and be careful with ports.
▶ No.751715>>751716 >>752663
>>751574
how did you turn gentoo into ubuntu?
▶ No.751716>>751963
▶ No.751718
>>751676
It does, as long as you don't do anything heavy. The system in that picture is Inferno, not Linux, so that makes it a bit easier.
▶ No.751763
Fuck off Jesus. I saw this same thread on 4/g/ because ypu showed it to me.
▶ No.751764
>>751578
>just responds "CUCK LICENSE REEEEEEEEEEEE" every single time
I'm sorry to tell you that you don't fit in here. Please return to 4chan.
▶ No.751769
>>751592
memory-mapped files do what you're looking for, but i don't think you can easily use those in your case.
▶ No.751795>>751803
>>751772
Compiling it yourself* dumb nigger
▶ No.751802
>>751772
winfags prove that you don't need to know that your OS is compromised in order for it to be compromised
▶ No.751803>>751805 >>751809
>>751795
>compiling stops intentional vulnerabilities
I want LARPers to fuck off already.
▶ No.751805
>>751803
I want winfags to die already.
▶ No.751809
>>751803
I can believe some intentional vulnerabilities are stopped by compilation-time hardening.
▶ No.751834
>>751814
This is so much cringe that the edges of my lips are now permanently stuck in an upward curl.
▶ No.751836
>>751566
yes, but it wouldn't be compiled with the flags you wanted universally applied
Frankly if you're too stupid to figure out USE flags you shouldn't be using Gentoo anyway (because you're dumb). But you'll definitely be too dumb to use OpenBSD
▶ No.751838>>751839 >>848437
Welcome to the family, son.
▶ No.751839>>751841
>>751838
That font is killing my eyes.
▶ No.751841>>751842 >>751850
>>751839
Maybe you need flasses
▶ No.751842
▶ No.751843>>751848
>>751607
>github mirror
pleb tier, often outdated piece of crap. Gentoo have their own sync mirrors although they're an open secret, see https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/sync/gentoo.git/
I used https://anongit.gentoo.org/git/repo/sync/gentoo.git
▶ No.751848>>751856
>>751843
You're supposed to use Github to avoid overloading the Gentoo infra, m8.
▶ No.751850>>754759
>>751841
He's right though. Just look at the word "package" with all these vertical alignement fuckups.
▶ No.751855>>751857
>>751580
It's not like there a point to jerking off about how low your memory usage is if it isn't relative to your setup. The point is to be efficient, not limit what you want out of your computer.
▶ No.751856
>>751848
That's why they don't advertise it but anyone is free to use them. I don't give a fuck if I git pull a few MiB's from their infra daily/every few days.
▶ No.751857
▶ No.751905>>751987
>>751553
You have to admit that GuixSD / NixOS are either on par with Gentoo or just below though.
And why has everyone been telling me "gentoo isn't what it used to be" lately?
▶ No.751961>>752076 >>752077
>>751607
>current_year
>still no signature verification by default
▶ No.751963
>>751716
Sorry.
how did you retard gentoo into ubuntu?
▶ No.751987>>752254
>>751905
So what's the reason to use them over gentoo
▶ No.752014>>752016
>crosscompiling/debootstraping
Who let the teenager in?
▶ No.752016
>>752014
How many weeks did that take?
▶ No.752076>>752574
>>751961
Can be done with emerge-webrsync.
▶ No.752077
▶ No.752078>>752097 >>752152 >>752169 >>752581 >>757554 >>757711 >>789532
>>751704
>takes a few min to compile
uhh say that to every computer ive ever owned, even my 6 core desktop took hours to compile linux, not to mention the hours of time trying to configure the kernel only for it to not be compatible and needing to recompile the whole thing because you checked one wrong box
most people installing linux are doing it on low spec machines, it took over a DAY for my garage PC to compile X, not that that is a big deal because its not in use much, but still a normal human wants a system that works, not one that takes longer than windows to install
▶ No.752079
>>751704
also
>me gives list of reasons why funtoo is better than gentoo
>u " UHH I DONT CARE UGGG PLZ USE THE SAME OS I USE :(((("
▶ No.752097
>>752078
> grep -F 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo | uniq
model name : AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor
> cd /usr/src/linux
> cp -f "/boot/config-$(uname -r)" .config
> make olddefconfig
...
> time -f '%e' make -j8
...
181.93
> time -f '%e' make -j8 modules
...
3.71
That's an incredible 3 minutes, and the 8350 isn't the "Roll-Royce" it was anymore.
>normal human
DUDE WEED LMAO
▶ No.752152>>766555 >>809382
>>752078
Why give a fuck about your fucking desktop took hours to compile linux?
I run gentoo as my daily driver on thinkpad t60.
You want learn linux and how a machine works? Install gentoo.
You want something for normal human and just work? Just install what you want.
Gentoo is not for you.
▶ No.752169>>768498 >>768768
>>752078
>even my 6 core desktop took hours to compile linux
Wut?
A 6 core CPU definitely shouldn't take hours to compile a kernel? I'll assume that by "linux" you meant the entire system.
▶ No.752254>>752317 >>775915
>>751987
Same level of customization and USE flag equivalents, but reproducing a system is extremely easy since you have but one config file. There's a lot of cool stuff about it, I'd give it a read if you have time.
▶ No.752317
>>752254
I doubt it has the same level of freedom as Gentoo. By freedom I mean
>µarch
>libc
>init system
▶ No.752319>>752322
>one config file
I have all my per-package USE flags in one single file called package.use. How is it any different?
▶ No.752322>>752326
▶ No.752326
>>752322
I will admit, that tickles the autism in a nice way.
▶ No.752333>>752337 >>752339 >>752639
im a linux noob that wants to get into linux the good way, but im not that skilled for gentoo.
whats a good alternative?
▶ No.752337
▶ No.752339>>752340 >>752347
>>752333
Ignore the memery and install Ubuntu or some variant of it. Use Lubuntu if your computer is really old/slow, just plain Ubuntu otherwise.
Look up more advanced things as you settle into it.
▶ No.752340
>>752339
(by advanced things I mean advanced usage, not advanced distros)
▶ No.752347>>752639 >>768768 >>789461
>>752339
>tainting a beginner's perception of GNU+Linux with ubuntu niggerware and systemdicks cancer
Install Slackware, Salix (a rimmed down Slackware), or Manjaro-OpenRC. Avoid cancerous bloat from the get go.
▶ No.752574
>>752076
Are you slow, son? Do you know what "default" means?
▶ No.752581
>>752078
~ $ lscpu | fgrep 'Model name'; qlop -tHc xorg-server
Model name: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 20 Processor
xorg-server: 5 minutes, 31 seconds for 16 merges
~ $ ssh 192.168.6.10 "!!"
Model name: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz
xorg-server: 15 minutes, 47 seconds for 16 merges
Congratulations, you're so fucking retarded you made a 6-core desktop perform an order of magnitude worse than a 8 year old netbook
▶ No.752591>>768768
im running on 32mb ram, 4mb storage
▶ No.752639>>752640 >>754671
>>752333
listen to this guy >>752347
don't fear the terminal
I installed Ubunutu to begin with and it doesn't teach you shit
▶ No.752640>>752742
>>752639
It doesn't teach you things, but it's suitable for learning. It doesn't stop you from learning. You can do all the advanced stuff on Ubuntu if you go looking for it.
But at least it lets you have a useful computing experience before learning those things.
▶ No.752663
>>751715
Running firefox compilation, running netbeans and some other java shit, firefox and thunderbird take some ram too. I don't think ramdisk usage is included in the ram stats, but that took some space too. I'm trying various languages, so that's a lot of packages right there, there was some perf-like format where the only libre tool that could analyze it was a KDE program, and I have some big qt-based programs too.... so yeah.
▶ No.752683>>752687
how2install Gentu on chinkpad x200? i cant read~ will handsome geek squad boy be able to install for me if I pay him in fuk?
▶ No.752687>>752692
>>752683
go back to lainchan
▶ No.752692
▶ No.752742
>>752640
My phrasing was poor. I'm just trying to convery that I hindsight, I could have been where I am now in a fraction of the time had I just began with Arch, Gentoo, NixOS or something similar.
Certainly, you can learn just about anything GNU/Linux related from Ubuntu, Mint, etc.. But for me, I allowed my windows dependent self to continue using GUI, scared of terminal, stuck in the Ubuntu Store for software, etc etc where as with a more 'minimal' distro, I couldn't have been such a fag.
I was just worried about not knowing what to do, and having my system break 24/7, but all those memes are false if you read documentation and take your time. And really, it's not difficult. All it is, is reading comprehension and willingness to learn.
▶ No.752865>>753225 >>754660 >>775968
Disk image: https://chiru.no/u/gentoo.xz
Probably only boots on a T60 or similar Core 2 Duo machine
▶ No.753061>>753063 >>753083 >>753088 >>753290
What's the status of the Hardened Gentoo project now that grsecurity/PaX is no longer free? I was going to install Gentoo but I don't know if it's safe or if the installation process for Hardened Gentoo is different now. I don't want to fuck anything up.
▶ No.753063
>>753061
I don't have an answer to your question but installing the hardened kernel is exactly the same as a regular install, just using hardened-sources instead of gentoo-sources.
▶ No.753083>>753290
>>753061
IIRC Hardened Gentoo is just a profile that affects which package/useflags you have by default. It also adds a cflag that adds stack smashing protection in your compiler (security-performance tradeoff)
If anything, they'd just remove grsecurity/pax from the profile.
▶ No.753088>>769311
>>753061
grsecurity is still free.
▶ No.753225
>>752865
I forgot to mention the password is password
user:password
root:password
▶ No.753290
>>753061
>>753083
grsec is not part of that profile, it's part of the hardened-sources Linux kernel source package
and there's people already working on a fork https://github.com/thestinger/linux-hardened
▶ No.754671>>754673 >>754674
>>752639
>>752639
one of my goal is securirty and privacy, arent barebone distros like arch, manjaro etc more insecure because they are well, more barebone and naked?
▶ No.754673>>754674
>>754671
No, being more barebones means less room or attack surface for security errors. More bloat is generally more risk for security mistakes as I understand it.
▶ No.754674>>754710
>>754673
>>754671
But these differences are generally (assuming you don't run shitty programs) going to be minuscule compared to good OpSec protocol and basic encryption techniques, as far as I know.
▶ No.754710>>755347
>>754674
"OpSec" is far too vague to even recommend. It's on the level of "use common sense". It's a security buzzword.
▶ No.754734>>759550
I've been using Gentoo for a solid 2 weeks now and am disappointed I never tried it sooner. This is how Linux should be. Ironically everything just werks better than it does with ANY installer based distro I've ever tried (though, most of those were infested with SystemD, and OpenRC works 1000% better - for example, my OpenVPN connection simply DOES NOT go down using OpenRC. With SystemD, I'd have to reset it every few hours when my connection cut out though no doing of my own. I'm left with perfection. It's noticeably faster than Arch, which I used for about an entire year some time ago. It takes like 30 minutes to an hour max to read the Gentoo wiki and get things set up. It might take a few tries to get it running perfectly, but it's well worth it once you do. (Hint: write down every command in your install procedure and keep it in a file on a seperate computer) Compilation time is a meme unless you're running it on an X220 or older - it's perfectly reasonable with only the largest programs taking over 15 minutes to intall.
Mintfags and especially Archfags, what's your excuse?
▶ No.754759
>>751850
I actually like the glyphs themselves, but yeah that vertical alignment looks awful.
▶ No.754904>>754943 >>755354
>>754660
twm is probably tinyWM
▶ No.754943>>755354 >>755448
>>754904
Obviously not. It's Xorg's base WM, Tom's Window Manager.
▶ No.755143>>755327 >>755378 >>756530 >>768768
GRAPHITE="-floop-interchange -ftree-loop-distribution -floop-strip-mine -floop-block"
CFLAGS="-Ofast -pipe -flto=8 -Wl,-flto=8 ${GRAPHITE} -funroll-loops -fopenmp -D_GLIBCXX_PARALLEL"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
▶ No.755327>>755437
>>755143
How many packages not building?
▶ No.755347
>>754710
It's still certainly worth recommending, being that most major downfalls come from that. A paranoid schizophrenic /tech/ tier set up is fucking useless without opsec, so I've been reading a lot about it lately (and, imo, it's not on the same level as "common sense". OpSec is the first fundemental step towards a real deal system.
▶ No.755354
>>754904
>>754943
I didn't know you could config TWM to not use window decorations.
▶ No.755378
>>755143
is that worth trying on llvm and mesa for a radeonsi performance increase?
▶ No.755437
▶ No.755448>>755450
>>754943
>tom's window manager
is this guy right? I really like OPs style and i3 only tiling is starting to bug me
▶ No.755450
>>755448
Yes. It's the WM that comes with X
▶ No.755464>>755465 >>755470 >>755501 >>756760 >>759550 >>789511
Clover OS General
This thread is for the discussion of the development of Clover Operating System GNU/Linux.
Official homepage: https://cloveros.ga
Github: https://github.com/chiru-no/cloveros
Package count: 1450
Official IRC channel: #cloveros on Rizon
License: WTFPL
CFLAGs:
GRAPHITE="-floop-interchange -ftree-loop-distribution -floop-strip-mine -floop-block"
CFLAGS="-Ofast -pipe -flto=8 -Wl,-flto=8 ${GRAPHITE} -funroll-loops -fopenmp -D_GLIBCXX_PARALLEL"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
Install script:
sudo su
mkdir gentoo
echo -e "o\nn\np\n1\n\n\nw" | fdisk /dev/sda
mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1
mount /dev/sda1 gentoo
cd gentoo
wget https://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64/stage3-amd64-20170525.tar.bz2
tar pxvf stage3*
rm stage3*
cp /etc/resolv.conf etc
mount -t proc none proc
mount --rbind /dev dev
mount --rbind /sys sys
chroot .
emerge-webrsync
echo -e "\nPORTAGE_BINHOST=\"https://cloveros.ga\"\nMAKEOPTS=\"-j8\"\nEMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=\"--keep-going=y --autounmask-write=y --jobs=2 -G\"\nCFLAGS=\"-O2 -pipe -march=native\"\nCXXFLAGS=\"\${CFLAGS}\"" >> /etc/portage/make.conf
emerge grub dhcpcd gentoo-sources genkernel
wget http://liquorix.net/sources/4.9/config.amd64
MAKEOPTS="-j8" genkernel --kernel-config=config.amd64 all
grub-install /dev/sda
grub-mkconfig > /boot/grub/grub.cfg
rc-update add dhcpcd default
passwd
exit
reboot
▶ No.755465>>755467
>>755464
wrong thread nigger
▶ No.755467>>755468
>>755465
I wasn't about to make a new thread for a joke
▶ No.755468>>755471
>>755467
>he says it's a joke
>has entire fucking github repo
>paid for domain
k
▶ No.755470>>755474
>>755464
>memeOS
>consists of 4 gentoo configuration files, an install script and a logo posted 2 hours ago
probably more stable than manjaro
▶ No.755471>>755472
>>755468
.ga is a free tld and yes, I made a Linux distro just for a laugh
▶ No.755472>>755478
>>755471
>making a linux distro just for keks
are you okay?
▶ No.755474>>755486
>>755470
>when you update your Arch install and it doesn't break
▶ No.755478
>>755472
CloverOS was always a joke, anon.
▶ No.755486
>>755474
how does it not damage its internal organs and bone structure
▶ No.756385>>756647
Work on CloverOS is going smoothly
▶ No.756413>>756813
How to configure traffic routing via iptables? I want to route all traffic from this machine through own ovpn server, but I dont know why. Are you have cooked script for iptables? Need more examples, found that https://jamielinux.com/blog/force-all-network-traffic-through-openvpn-using-iptables/
▶ No.756519
▶ No.756521
stop shitting up gentoo general with your stupid riced "os" faggot
▶ No.756530
>>755143
CFLAGS="-Ofast -pipe -flto=8 -Wl,-flto=8 -funroll-loops -fgraphite-identity -floop-block -floop-interchange -floop-parallelize-all -floop-strip-mine -ftree-loop-distribution"
▶ No.756647
>>756385
>scrot
>not import
>xfe
>graphical FM
>aterm
>not st
>smplayer
>
▶ No.756760>>756764
>>755464
I am currently making a fork of CloverOS called "CloverOS for Workgroups" which will aim to be more *professional* than the mainline version :^)
It is currently (pre)Alpha
http://ix.io/wUJ
▶ No.756764
▶ No.756813>>756836
>>756413
fuck iptables how to nftables firewall
▶ No.756836
>>756813
#!/sbin/nft -f
# /etc/local.d/00_firewall.start
# vim: ft=conf
flush ruleset
table inet filter {
chain input {
type filter hook input priority 0
policy drop
# things break if these are blocked
meta iif lo accept # loopback
ip protocol icmp accept # icmpv4
ip6 nexthdr icmpv6 accept # icmpv6 (RA/autoconf/etc)
ip daddr 224.0.0.0/8 accept # ipv4 multicast
ip6 daddr ff00::/8 accept # ipv6 multicast
# Whitelist for LAN-only services
ip saddr { 192.168.0.0/16, 0.0.0.0 } jump private-services
ip6 saddr f000::/4 jump private-services
# Whitelist for everyone else public internet
jump public-services
ct state related,established accept
# remove ↓ to log unhandled packets to dmesg for debugging
counter # log level debug prefix "firewall: "
}
chain private-services {
ip daddr & 0xFF == 0xFF accept # let broadcast traffic through
tcp dport { distcc, domain, nfs, rpcbind, ssh } accept
udp dport { bootps, domain, mdns, nfs, ntp, routed, rpcbind } accept
}
chain public-services {
tcp dport { https, imap, smtp } accept
udp dport { 10666, 60000-60020 } accept
}
}
▶ No.757554>>757576
>>752078
someone has an allyesconfig I see.
Yeah, compiling 3GB of modules takes a while.
▶ No.757576>>757581
>>757554
An allyesconfig doesn't usually work, though. They're probably using a generic distro config.
▶ No.757581
>>757576
Sorry m8 I just said whatever sounded like it would result in the biggest kernel.
I have only ever used menuconfig, localmodconfig and oldconfig.
▶ No.757711
>>752078
emerge gentoo-sources genkernel
wget http://liquorix.net/sources/4.9/config.amd64
genkernel --kernel-config=config.amd64 all
▶ No.757719>>757725
Fuck you gentoo. Everything takes so long to compile.
▶ No.757725>>757733
>>757719
Did you enable multiple concurrent jobs and set "-jX" (X = number of cores) on your make.conf?
It only really takes it's time when you're installing everything for the first time.
▶ No.757733>>757764 >>757765
>>757725
Shouldn't it be your cores + 1?
▶ No.757764>>757765 >>758623
>>757733
I've hear this, but after testing, I found that nproc does better or the same (never found any real explanation for nproc + 1).
▶ No.757765>>757768
>>757733
>>757764
wasn't it nproc+1 because one of the threads is just scheduling the work threads?
▶ No.757768>>757769
>>757765
Scheduling is done by the kernel, m8.
▶ No.757769
>>757768
Just like your mom
▶ No.757853>>757860 >>757861
How does Gentoo avoid ending up with 2000+ packages? I just compiled five or six packages in Debian and they pulled 300 + packages in dependencies.
▶ No.757860>>757861
>>757853
Only install what you need, keep your use flags as simple as possible, don't activate too many testing packages (though this doesn't matter much), and make sure you --oneshot (-1) anything that you don't necessarily need forever. Also --depclean after every full update.
I still have nearly 1.7k myself, but I keep a big system with a shitload more packages than I probably need.
▶ No.757861>>757864
>>757853
>>757860
I have about 1.5k but that's my fault for using funtoo's shitty mix in system and having a trillion KDE packages that I don't need and can't uninstall because I have to uninstall the entire thing if I want to remove any single package that's part of it.
I thought mix-ins were going to be convenient but they are a horrible feature that doesn't work.
▶ No.757864>>757883
>>757861
Speaking of features that don't work, genkernel is fucking shit.
Portage should build the kernel and genkernel should be dumped entirely and replaced with a way of getting your .config into the kernel you want when portage builds it. In case the config is outdated or you want to run "menuconfig" or something every time the kernel is built (like genkernel allows you to) there should be a configurable way of telling portage how to handle it, I'm thinking a ".config-update" command that's "etc-update" but for the kernel .config.
Portage is good enough that we'd be able to use already existing features to have multiple kernels and multiple kernel versions including outdated ones like many like or need
▶ No.757883
>>757864
>but for the kernel .config.
make oldconfig
▶ No.757982>>757985 >>758019 >>766121 >>768546 >>768548 >>768575
Hey, is this http://aliceinwire.net/ a tranny or a real woman bean? Because if it is, then that's techfu material.
▶ No.757990
>>757985
cute enough, would emerge -e @world after setting CFLAGS="-march=native -O3 -pipe -flto=4 -Wl,-flto=4 -ftree-vectorize -fuse-linker-plugin -fgraphite-identity -ftree-loop-optimize -ftree-loop-distribution -floop-nest-optimize -floop-parallelize-all -ftree-parallelize-loops=4" with
▶ No.757991
>>757985
You sure? Looked almost passable if true.
This again prove that the Y chromosom is needed to operate computers.
▶ No.758019>>758216 >>766121
>>757982
>>757985
Fuck. Xe is a gentoo dev.
Now we have to hate Gentoo too for being SJW friendly.
▶ No.758331
>>758216
Nobody said this ever. What is sure is that tranny == mentally ill. SJW is just highly probable.
▶ No.758550>>758558
>>758187
>https://cloveros.ga/s/CloverOS-x86_64-20170614.iso
>404 Not Found
>>758216
>Except only /pol/tards equal trans with SJW
They equate trans with degenerate and therefore as bad as SJWs.
▶ No.758558>>762163 >>766121 >>766579
>>758550
SJWs are worse than your average degenerate. Most degenerates just don't give a fuck, but SJWs want to destroy society.
▶ No.758572>>758618 >>758661
>>758187
I'm pretty sure you can't license a GNU/Linux distro under WTFPL.
▶ No.758618
>>758572
Looks like it's basically Gentoo with custom configuration files and a bootstrap script. The software packages would have their own license, but they can license the glue that holds them together however they wish.
▶ No.758623
>>757764
>(never found any real explanation for nproc + 1).
Many years ago, the Linux CPU scheduler sucked ass and would only actually utilize 80-90% CPU on a typical desktop system using -jn. The extra thread from -jn+1 was to ensure that the CPU was fully loaded. The scheduler improved enough over the years that it now uses more like 99.5% CPU, making n+1 less useful. It does still have a small amount of utility for spinning rust hard drives, because while the system is waiting for I/O operations to complete, it can work on the extra thread. Hyperthreading makes -jn+1 obsolete because it accomplishes the same thing in hardware: each core works on two or more threads simultaneously.
▶ No.758661
>>758572
I licensed a bash script under WTFPL.
▶ No.758669
>>751551 (OP)
In installscript.sh line 8:
if [[ $partitioning = "a" ]]; then
^-- SC2039: #!/bin/sh was specified, but [[ ]] is not standard.
In installscript.sh line 11:
elif [[ $partitioning = "m" ]]; then
^-- SC2039: #!/bin/sh was specified, but [[ ]] is not standard.
In installscript.sh line 24:
if [[ $yn != "y" ]]; then
^-- SC2039: #!/bin/sh was specified, but [[ ]] is not standard.
In installscript.sh line 35:
if [[ $partitioning = "a" ]]; then
^-- SC2039: #!/bin/sh was specified, but [[ ]] is not standard.
In installscript.sh line 36:
echo -e "o\nn\np\n1\n\n\nw" | fdisk /dev/$drive
^-- SC2039: #!/bin/sh was specified, but echo flags are not standard.
^-- SC2086: Double quote to prevent globbing and word splitting.
In installscript.sh line 38:
mkfs.ext4 -F /dev/$partition
^-- SC2086: Double quote to prevent globbing and word splitting.
In installscript.sh line 39:
tune2fs -O ^metadata_csum /dev/$partition
^-- SC2086: Double quote to prevent globbing and word splitting.
In installscript.sh line 40:
mount /dev/$partition gentoo
^-- SC2086: Double quote to prevent globbing and word splitting.
▶ No.759129>>768768 >>768769
My bash prompt is shifted over on my gentoo install and I can't read some of the error messages when I try to install Cory.
Wat do?
▶ No.759550
>>755464
>meme license
>gitcuck
kys
>>754734
b-but I use an x220... does that mean installing gentoo will take three weeks?
▶ No.762163>>762260 >>762287 >>766121
>>758558
>SJWs want to destroy society.
I don't think SJWs wants to destroy society but they want to improve it.
But obviously their methods are just destroying everything they touch.
▶ No.762260>>762269 >>762272
>>762163
Every single ideology that ever existed wanted to "improve society".
▶ No.762268
_,met$$$$$gg.
,g$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P. OS: Debian 9.0 stretch
,g$$P"" """Y$$.". Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.9.0-3-amd64
,$$P' `$$$. Uptime: 7h 10m
',$$P ,ggs. `$$b: Packages: 1643
`d$$' ,$P"' . $$$ Shell: bash 4.4.12
$$P d$' , $$P Resolution: 1280x1024
$$: $$. - ,d$$' WM: i3
$$\; Y$b._ _,d$P' CPU: Intel486 DX Processor @ 50 MHz
Y$$. `.`"Y$$$$P"' GPU: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 128 bits)
`$$b "-.__ RAM: 845MiB / 5960MiB
`Y$$
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mainly firefox. would like a lighter browser, but meh, I have the ram to run shitty 2017 browsers
▶ No.762269
>>762260
antinatalism.
also, whatever the fuck nick land is talking about.
▶ No.762272
>>762260
Never mistake stupidity for malice.
▶ No.762284
emerge --search phrack
for lulz
▶ No.762287>>764748
>>762163
>their
did you just assume their existence?
▶ No.764736>>764748
▶ No.764748
>>762287
I don't exist and your care for all forms of entities brings me great comfort.
>>764736
Second.
▶ No.766121
>>757982
Tranny.
>>757985
>her
>>758019
>hating progressiveness
what are you, a nazi? KILL ALL FASCISTS
>>758216
>poltard
you're the retard, /leftypol/
>equate trans with SJW
>implying you can be mentally ill without wanting to equate the mentally ill with the normal
typical leftist train of though, look at this BASED TRAP!!
>>758558
>Most degenerates just don't give a fuck
until they are informed of their inferiority then they have to compensate
>>762163
>I don't think SJWs want to destroy society
>explicitly want to destroy the white nuclear family
>not want to destroy society
choose one and only one
>but their methods are just destroying everything they touch
>implying that's not intentional
▶ No.766145>>766430 >>766575
>unironically running a source based distribution
>putting unnecessary stress on your hardware
>trashing your hard drive with huge source code archives
I swear you gentoofags are worse than those "gamer" machildren playing vidya on windows.
▶ No.766430>>766431 >>766496
▶ No.766431
▶ No.766496
>>766430
still a source based distribution, nigger
▶ No.766555
>>752152
>I run gentoo as my daily driver on thinkpad t60.
ayy me too
▶ No.766575
>>766145
>50000 unique snowflake OS/distros still compile code anyway
>neither of them are trustworthy so have to compile own code anyway
>not modifying programs to remove/fix cancer / make it work at all for your use case
▶ No.766579>>776217
>>758558
uhh, I'm pretty sure their point is that if it was normalized the suicide rate would be less or same as normal people. I'm not affirming what they say though, measuring human behaviour with shady empirical methods and using it to influence national policy is retarded.
▶ No.768498>>768509
>>752169
My FX-8350 can build my entire 2500 packages in under a day. t. cloveros guy
The "compiling is slow" meme really needs to die
▶ No.768501
>>751607
>git is more efficient than rsync
>just download a 504MB source tree history into .git/ and have it get larger and larger as it gets bloated with ancient versions of software
why not just accept that rsync is the tool for the job
▶ No.768509>>768512 >>768513 >>832823
>>768498
Try to do the same on a laptop, faggot.
Stop generalizing and focus on the specific context.
▶ No.768512
▶ No.768513
>>768509
My laptop's a quad core APU, FX-8800p. I don't see what the big deal is.
▶ No.768546
>>757982
>>757985
"If you're unsure it's a trap...it's a trap."
-OpSec for (you)r balls #101™
▶ No.768548>>768565 >>768582
>>757985
>>757982
>ignoring the obvious adam's apple in the photo.
▶ No.768565>>768582
▶ No.768575>>768582
>>757982
>>757985
Shoulders are too large.
Cheeks don't lie.
Arms are too big.
Hands are of a man too.
Clearly a man taking shit medication on this image
http://aliceinwire.net/blog/2016-11-8_Open_Source_Conference_2016_Tokyo_summary/RrI6c6W2.jpg
But from what I can see that person isn't making reckless drama so it's ok.
▶ No.768582
>>768575
Really anon? If he had his dick out you'd talk about his bone structure while ignoring his bone. His adam's apple is even more obvious in that photo.
>>768548
>>768565
Not wanting to get trapped on a trap pun intended in Gentoo bread I'll have to give Gentoo a go I've done everything else. I need something that doesnt sperg on RAM for an old machine.
▶ No.768606>>768633
all you'd have to do is watch a video and it's instantly obvious by voice/mannerisms. there's no gender surgery for vocal cords
▶ No.768633
▶ No.768747
>>751551 (OP)
Ok just the UI alone wants to make make go full Gentoo fag.
▶ No.768768>>768769 >>768778
>>752169
Probably some faglord who didn't use -j6 or something.
>>752347
>avoids cancer by installing an arch derivative
Yeah, that's not how it works.
>>752591
OpenWRT?
>>755143
>enables LTO
>doesn't put his MAXIMUM OPTIMIZATION flags on LDFLAGS
This is not REAL rice.
>>759129
Maybe your terminal font isn't monospaced?
▶ No.768769
>>759129
>>768768
Pipe error stream into file.
▶ No.768778
>>768768
>OpenWRT?
It clearly says LEDE.
▶ No.769311
>>753088
No, no it's not. They got rid of the testing patches. You literally have to pay for a subscription if you want updates now.
▶ No.771678>>771684
It took me a week to get this going but nonetheless I'm happy with this!
Question; I'm gonna be installing this on a friend's t60 at some point, is there a kernel checklist I can look at to get an idea of how to configure it?
▶ No.771684
>>771678
ThinkPad wiki probably has everything you need to know but generally it's just case of selecting right network drivers, audio and GPU in kernel config, mostly everything else you would need on T60 is in defaults.
▶ No.772723
I'm not a gentoofag, how do i into useflags?
▶ No.772827
>>772729
Use a bitmap font for terminal (I suggest terminus, SGI screen or simply fixed).
>mpd/ncmpcpp
Using mpd on a local machine is quite retarded, I think. Try cmus.
>that PS1
Nice.
>xfe
Nice, but try ranger.
▶ No.775915>>824318 >>848402
>>751553
>>751551 (OP)
>no bloat
>patrician
>package manager is written in FUCKING SLOW-ASS PYTHON
they fucked up.
>>752254
i like guix but that's just factually incorrect. guix is excellent at building reproducible packages from source, but there's no equivalent to USE flags. they would make reproducibility much harder.
>>758216
this
▶ No.775968
>>752865
Thanks, I'll try this on my T60 when I find it
▶ No.776015
>>751607
>due to git's efficiency
>https:
good 1
▶ No.776217>>776759
>>766579
Maybe if we normalize fentanyl for teens then there will be less overdoses, because they will know how to use it properly.
▶ No.776260
>>751551 (OP)
What happens if you recompile the packages listed in top with LTO? I don't know if they even compile with LTO save for init which does (assuming you have openrc).
▶ No.776759>>783017 >>784155
>>776217
Gender dysphoria isnt a lifestyle choice or a passing delusion though.
Girl brain+boy body=severely mentally unhealthy.
Their brain is wired the wrong way for their body and hormones at a low level.
I dont know why this is so fucking hard for people to grasp. SJWs who make like they're fucking magical fairies showing us that sex psychology doesnt real and /pol/fucks who think its SOMETHING SOMETHING THE JEWS DID IT THE JEWS ALSO COMMUNISTS(JEWS)
▶ No.780844
CloverOS GNU/Linux
Official homepage: https://cloveros.ga
Current ISO: https://cloveros.ga/s/CloverOS-x86_64-20170815.iso
Git: https://gitgud.io/cloveros/cloveros
Package count: 2829 https://cloveros.ga/s/packages.html
Official IRC channel: #cloveros on Rizon
GPG: 78F5 AC55 A120 07F2 2DF9 A28A 78B9 3F76 B8E4 2805
License: WTFPL
Mirrors: https://useast.cloveros.ga https://uswest.cloveros.ga https://fr.cloveros.ga https://uk.cloveros.ga https://nl.cloveros.ga
Current CFLAGS: CFLAGS="-Ofast -mmmx -mssse3 -pipe -funroll-loops -flto=8 -floop-block -floop-interchange -floop-strip-mine -ftree-loop-distribution"
Previous threads: https://warosu.org/g/?task=search2&search_subject=cloveros
Video: https://a.doko.moe/cngnzh.mp4 (embed)
CloverOS memes: http://cloveros.booru.org
Validate ISO:
gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key "78F5 AC55 A120 07F2 2DF9 A28A 78B9 3F76 B8E4 2805"
wget https://cloveros.ga/s/signatures/s/CloverOS-x86_64-20170815.iso.asc
gpg --verify CloverOS-x86_64-20170810.iso.asc CloverOS-x86_64-20170815.iso
▶ No.783017>>784149 >>784153
>>776759
>being this much of a homofaggotual cuck
>thinking tranny shit is remotely real outside of overabundance of estrogen and mental illness
▶ No.784146
>>751551 (OP)
Please share your kernel config.
▶ No.784149>>784155
>>783017
>the doctors are wrong because j00z
>an andean quiltweaving society told me so
▶ No.784153
>>783017
Weird. I thought there was a male and a female brain. I also thought the embryo's cells would develop according to the chemicals they were bathing in during the first couple of months.
Because a few may be legit birth abnormalities doesn't mean that most of them aren't completely delusional. Look at cripples from birth and the "trans-abled".
▶ No.784155>>784159 >>784171
>>776759
>Girl brain+boy body=severely mentally unhealthy.
That probably would be the case, were it possible.
>Their brain is wired the wrong way for their body and hormones at a low level.
Tranny brains are much closer to normal male brains than to dyke brains. Disfiguring their bodies won't help. Making it legal for them to seek and receive treatment would.
>>776759
>>784149
Nobody but you mentioned jewry. Next time you write something that angry, before clicking reply take a few seconds.
▶ No.784159>>784160 >>785832
>>784155
It is clearly possible, and said "disfiguring" typically does help. Not fix the issue completely, but help significantly, in most cases. We can put the cases where it doesn't up to people who didnt actually have gender dysphoria, just convinced themselves and their retarded sjw friends they did after smoking too much tumblr.
as usual, /pol/ shows themselves to be precisely and exactly bizzaro sjws.
>biology and psychology aren't real when I don't like it
>my retarded political biases trump medical science
▶ No.784170
▶ No.784171
>>784155
>Girl brain+boy body=severely mentally unhealthy.
>That probably would be the case, were it possible.
This is exactly the situation that Dr Michael Mosley asserts in his documentary about human gestation.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/sep/14/countdown-to-life-michael-mosley
▶ No.785405>>785410 >>785418
How can portage be the best package manager if it's written in python, the most unstable clusterfuck of a programming language in the known universe?
>python
>python2
>python2.7
>python3
>python3.6
>python3.6m
▶ No.785407
▶ No.785410>>785411
>>785405
Unstable compared to which version of the C++ ABI?
▶ No.785411>>839729
>>785410
>implying I think C++'d be better
▶ No.785418
>>785405
To be honest, portage is the worst part of Gentoo, pkgsrc is a lot better. Still the best distro.
▶ No.785478>>785479 >>785480 >>785571 >>789339
>>751551 (OP)
I am deeply ashamed of my package count.
▶ No.785479
>>785478
you should be deeply ashamed of your piss ugly desktop you uncultured swine
▶ No.785480>>785580
>>785478
>using NetworkManager
▶ No.785503>>789344
My chink mechanical keyboard does not work. Others normally do, though.
What do I do?
▶ No.785571>>785575 >>785608 >>785621
>>785478
That package count isn't exceptionally bad. It's actually pretty normal after a while of usage and installing new shit. What the other anons said is more worrisome, though. Why isn't there a better version of wpa_gui, though? It's all I need, really.
▶ No.785580>>785582 >>785662
>>785480
Not that anon, but what would you suggest? I want at least some WYSIWYG interactivity (ncurses would be fine) but NetworkManager+nm-applet is the only one I know of
▶ No.785582
>>785580
just use iw, wpa_supplicant and dhclient (or dhcpcd) like a non retard
▶ No.785608
>>785571
mines still under six hundred, but im not using gentoo and I consistently uninstall things I only needed as a one off
certain things massively increase the count though. fucking wine, programs that depend on most of a major desktop enviornment, etc.
▶ No.785621
>>785571
just use
wpa_passphrase <network> <passphrase> >> /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf; wpa_cli reconfigure
on the cli
▶ No.785662>>785693
>>785580
wicd is a good choice
▶ No.785693>>785701
>>785662
wicd-curses seems like exactly what I was looking for, thanks!
▶ No.785701
>>785693
FYI, what these Archfags neglected to tell you is that the project has been abandoned for years.
https://launchpad.net/wicd/
▶ No.785719
▶ No.785832
>>784159
>said "disfiguring" typically does help
Another "Centrist" idiot following just behind the vanguard Left.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
▶ No.786000>>786248
>>>785832
You can usually find one study to support most positions. The majority of evidence is in line with the (three) ones I posted.
▶ No.786248
>>786000
>The majority of evidence is in line with the (three) ones I posted
Sure is sources here. I think you mean, the majority of "evidence" is produced from six participant studies based on self-reporting and full of newspeak like this.
>Mental health problems in TS individuals are related to social environments which foster isolation, marginalization, a lack of social support, discrimination including interpersonal and systemic microaggression, and victimization.
▶ No.789239>>789394
How much space do you recommend I allocate for the Gentoo root partition?
On my soon to be replaced Arch system, I'm have a 25G root partition, out of which 12G is used after cleaning the pacman cache completely.
I suppose I'll need more space for the cache, since the source takes more space than the compiled programs, right?
Should I just go with 25G or use 30G or more?
▶ No.789307
>>789268
>kernel isn't -ck
This isn't REAL arch.
▶ No.789308
>>789268
>wm not i3
not arch
▶ No.789339
>>785478
How long does portage take to load? When I had 1K packages, on a i7-4790K it took 3 minutes to resolve any package.
▶ No.789341
>>789268
>compiz
>Mu theme on emerald
My nigga.
▶ No.789344>>789394
▶ No.789394
>>789239
25 is probably enough, but if you're not hurting for space, you might go a little higher. I have a pretty heavy system with most of KDE, plus plenty of extras and at 30 it gets pretty cramped compiling the big ones that can't compile in RAM.
>>789344
Boot an Ubuntu livecd and run lspci -k to see what modules it loads. Your kernel is probably missing one.
▶ No.789511>>789531
>>755464
Why would I ever use this over just installing Gentoo?
▶ No.789528
its possible to run debian with half of that easily
▶ No.789531
▶ No.789532
>>752078
kernel compiling takes 5 minutes on my i5 2500k without oc.
▶ No.789544
>>789461
that is sexy as hell
▶ No.792039>>792103
Is it a good idea to put commands I want to be run at startup in inittab?
I want to set the backlight brightness as soon as the i915 module is loaded.
Apparently the 'modules' script starts at the 'boot' runlevel, so I guess I'd need to run the command at runlevel 1 to make sure that the module was loaded before running the command.
So, I want to add an entry to inittab like this:
brt:1:once:/bin/bash -c "echo 12 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness"
▶ No.792041>>792108 >>792111
Gentoo is a great idea on top of a shitware kernel and userland. Gentoo should come over to Illumos and help Make UNIX Great Again!
▶ No.792103>>792131
>>792039
That's fucking retarded. Use /etc/local.d/.
▶ No.792108
▶ No.792111
>>792041
>pwease run ur softwares on our progject its good why does no1 liek us ;-;
▶ No.792130>>792931
>>789461
A E S T H E T I C
E
S
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H
T
I
C
>>758187
Convert me. Why should I use Clover?
▶ No.792131
>>792103
Yeah, it didn't even work for some reason (although something similar worked in devuan).
Would I need to write an actual init script if I wanted to run the command in runlevel 1 for example?
▶ No.792173
>>751572
>why should this at all matter to me?
Because the day you won't be able to execute a modified version of a software because of hardware restrictions, you'll be in deep shit.
▶ No.792183
How did you install TinyCore on Gentoo?
I though it was a different distro.
▶ No.792917
>emerge firefox
>see dependencies
>it wants to downgrade libressl
>spin 360° and moonwalk away
▶ No.792931>>793986
>>792130
> Why should I use Clover?
It can gOfast.
▶ No.793418
A lot of people bitch about build time, but I can rebuild my entire system in 20 hours, and that includes lots of bloat like firefox, Thunderbird, gnu octave, gnuradio, and libreoffice.
▶ No.793665>>793729 >>793740 >>793957
Is there a way to display short package info on Gentoo like in pic related?
I tried
equery m dfc
and
equery m -d dfc
but neither displays any description.
There's also no description for vim, gcc and who knows what else.
There's also no short description for nano like on the website, but
equery m -d nano
gives me a huge block of text instead.
▶ No.793690>>793691
>>751713
Use OpenBSD with a librebooted memepad with a urtw0 dongle sold by ThinkPenguin (the realtek dongle requires non-free firmware, although you could theoretically compile the free version but I ended up running into compilation errors all over the place and said fuck it)
Never ever run fw_update
Never ever install bullshit from ports, you don't want that garbage anyway
▶ No.793691
>>793690
By realtek I meant atheros, my bad
Also libertyBSD forums have some helpful tips, but libertyBSD is behind and generally not worth the trouble because you can do the same things with mainline oBSD
▶ No.793729
>>793665
Something like
function pkgdesc() {
find /usr/portage/ -regex ".*/${1}/[^/]*.ebuild" | \
head -n1 | \
xargs grep DESCRIPTION | \
cat - <(echo 'echo $DESCRIPTION') | \
bash
}
or
function pkgdesc() {
locate -l1 "/usr/portage/*/${1}/*.ebuild" |
xargs grep DESCRIPTION | \
cat - <(echo 'echo $DESCRIPTION') | \
bash
}You could modify the latter to use custom mlocate database that contains portage
and overlays, so that it searches through all packages.
Obviously it doesn't work with packages which don't have description (like gcc; though vim does have it on my end)
▶ No.793740
>>793665
Just use eix. Or emerge -s.
▶ No.793831>>793897
does gentoo download the code from the upstream, or do they have their own repos?
▶ No.793855>>808923
can I remove the /etc/portage/package.use/ directory and create a /etc/portage/package.use file instead?
or can I just have both?
▶ No.793897
>>793831
Mirrors download it; but if no mirror has your "code", portage does download it directly.
▶ No.793986>>793992
▶ No.793992
>>793986
Ofast CAN go really fast (in heavy FP calculations).
▶ No.794632
>>789461
>another Slackfag
It is so good to see you, brother.
▶ No.794987
>>759923
>>762158
>using scrot
idiots
▶ No.796942
Which profile should I use for i3wm?
The default one or the desktop profile?
▶ No.798597>>798610 >>798678 >>798945
>install gentoo
>emerge firefox
>see pic 1
>okay-I'll-just-disable-it.sh
>click button
>see pic 2
what the fuck
▶ No.798602>>798606
Still too much, I only got 48mb to work with
▶ No.798603>>798606
i only got 48mb to work with mate, 24 is too much for just the OS
▶ No.798606
>>798603
>>798602
ah fuck you then hotwheels
>posting form phone
>502 bad gateway
>upload photo elsewhere and post it on PC
>post magically shows up as soon as i post on PC
>502 bad gateway again
FUCK
▶ No.798610>>798679 >>798680 >>798729
>>798597
okay, I disabled manually what I could find in about:config, but how can I be sure that that's everything?
▶ No.798678>>798829 >>798947
>>798597
fuck your choices
https://bugs.gentoo.org/615132
don't worry the bug reports only 6 months old. surely they're on it.
▶ No.798679>>798829 >>798947
>>798610
about:telemetry should show disabled
could have sworn i've dealt with this problem before i forget what i did though. you can also download the binaries from mozilla
▶ No.798680>>798947
>>798610
https://betanews.com/2017/08/24/mozilla-firefox-telemetry-privacy/
"Mozilla engineers working on the Firefox web browser are concerned that the current opt-in system of data collection does not allow for the collection of unbiased data about which websites users visit and so on. As such a test period of telemetry which is opt-out is planned."
sjwfox kikes are going to make this harder and harder. get ready for opt-out, they already tried to remove all choice.
▶ No.798729>>798785 >>798947
>>798610
Nice whack-a-mole game you're playing there:
99 bad defaults in my Fox, 99 bad defaults,
Disable one then update to next Fox version,
150 bad defaults in my Fox!
It's an uphill battle that you cannot win. You don't know what crap they're going to sneak into the next release, which you'll have to disable by hand again.
In my personal opinion you're better off choosing the ESR version and disable updates, but of course then security larpers will bring out their RCE boogeyman that you can't POSSIBLY mitigate ANY OTHER WAY than by staying up to date with the latest and greatest CRAP.
▶ No.798785
▶ No.798829>>798861
>>798679
is this good?
>you can also download the binaries from mozilla
is that supposed to be a joke?
>>798678
>Status: UNCONFIRMED
what the fuck
I thought the gentoo project cared about privacy, security and freedom of choice and not cucking it's users
▶ No.798841>>798843 >>808920 >>809507
>>751551 (OP)
I've tried Gentoo, but I hated waiting for things to compile, so I'm sticking with Debian, though admittedly that's a systemd thing now, even if that has made a lot of everyday things easier.
What distro should I try next?
▶ No.798843
▶ No.798861>>798947 >>798950
>>798829
i digged into a little bit last night and in gentoo's defense it looks like mozilla's crash reporter uses a proprietary library or something so it's not included in the source and cause's the blank data options page. I also read about some guy with the same problem still recoding telemetry data going out with wireshark though, so just like gentoo's 6 month old bug report it's UNCONFIRMED.
6 months doesn't even seem that bad for linux, the last bug I dug up that I was experiencing was with some shitty gnome program, the bug report was 5 years old, was still unconfirmed, hadn't been commented on by anyone but the op, and the op even submitted his own patch for the bug a few months later, which I applied to fix it. Years and no gnome dev even bothered to comment on it to tell him to go fuck himself.
▶ No.798945>>798966 >>808946
>>798597
>we'll spy on you so we can """improve your experience"""
what possible rationale can they use to justify that?
▶ No.798947
>>798861
>>798678
>>798679
>>798680
>>798729
it's the way they said it that really worries me, instead of saying something along the lines of
>firefox developer edition can send data to mozilla so we can improve your experience
they stated it as if it's set in stone and I don't have a choice in the matter
▶ No.798950>>798966 >>798968
>>798861
>it looks like mozilla's crash reporter uses a proprietary library or something so it's not included in the source and cause's the blank data options page. I also read about some guy with the same problem still recoding telemetry data going out with wireshark
links?
▶ No.798966
>>798945
they're going to improve your experience by selling your data so they can hire more pajeet programmers so they can collect even more data and sell that and then donate heavily to sjw's and isreal.
>>798950
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1047460-start-0.html
> I know back in the 3.x days only the -bin one had a crash reporting feature (it was a proprietary lib, so the source ebuild *couldn't* have it)...
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1128244
>Interesting. I see the Data Choices tab, but it's completely empty. The last time I looked here, I think there was data reporting/share your data or something. I haven't touched it in years.
>Any idea why this is blank, now?
>Chosen Solution
>If you use a special branded Firefox version from the repositories then that version may not support these features.
You would have to use the official version from the Mozilla server if you want to use any of those features including the crash reporter.
not exactly conclusive but it was the best i could find
▶ No.798968
>>798950
if this was actually the case you would think the gentoo/firefox people would make some mention of it in the gentoo wiki firefox page, and close the bug report, but naturally just like many other projects they don't monitor or respond to bug reports
▶ No.804035
>>751572
It shouldn't. These memeing newfags don't know their cornholes from their pieholes. The only time it should matter is when choosing to contribute or publish software. BSD is a cuck license. Never do it.
▶ No.808920
>>798841
Compile times are only annoying during your installation.
After that you can listen to some king crimson or lynyrd skynyrd song with your fans screaming in the background and by the time the song ends your packages are done, unless you're a masochist who uses jewmium/fuckfox
▶ No.808923
>>793855
I don't think you can have both but yes you can swap between each of the 2 any time.
I don't even know why the directory option is a thing when you can just ctrl F to the package you want, makes sense for Xorg because the config file is much more complex but there's no reason to have portage's package.use as a directory.
▶ No.808946>>808947
>>798945
>what possible rationale
We'll see what pages and javascripts crash the browser so we can fix it.
▶ No.808947
>>808946
Meant to be in their voice. Of course that is just the rationale they're giving you, I do not trust Mozilla.
▶ No.808986
>>751569
>Plan9 is THAT good
POSIX BTFO
▶ No.809013>>809072 >>809159
Has anyone tried installing gentoo on powerpc lately?
I tried the install by the handbook:ppc and it fails at updating the @world set. If I skip that it all goes to shit when i try to emerge the kernel sources. Tons of perl version conflicts.
▶ No.809072
>>809013
You'll have better luck on the IRC then the bugtracker.
▶ No.809159>>809375
>>809013
The PPC tarballs are out of date and typically require extra work to update. Perl a shit.
I think what I did the last time I installed Gentoo on PPC64 was update portage to support new EAPIs, then emerge -1 --nodeps the new perl version. After that, emerge -uDNpv system, and emerge -C everything that conflicts and is not absolutely critical to system stability. Eventually, the tree will have enough gaps that portage will be able to figure out what needs to be reinstalled. If you're using the ancient January 2015 PPC64 tarball, it might be faster in the long run to go nuclear on everything that breaks and follow up with an emerge -e system.
I guess you could also try updating your portage tree six months at a time, but that always seemed like more work to me.
▶ No.809375>>809468
>>809159
>If you're using the ancient January 2015 PPC64 tarball,
I am starting on a fresh drive (keeping my Deb drive intact in case I cant get this to work) and doing the install with the main site tarballs..
>https://gentoo.org/downloads/
Min install dated 2014-7-13
PPC stage 3 dated 2017-3-21
Following the Handbook:PPC by the letter even using their suggested partition layout.
Do you think I may have better luck with the older 2015 PPC64 tarball and then just upgrading from there?
▶ No.809382>>809402
>>752152
>emerge reallybigpackage
>spend 48 hours staring at GCC output
How does this teach you about Linux? DIY distros are for kiddies, actual programmers use hassle-free systems because they don't want sysadmin bs to get in the way of their actual work. Therefore Linus Torvalds uses Fedora, Rob Pike uses a Macbook, etc.
▶ No.809402
>>809382
1/10, get better at it.
▶ No.809468>>809500 >>812086
>>809375
I didn't think of this last night, but try running emerge -uav --nodeps perl && perl-cleaner --all. This should force perl to update regardless of dependencies, and perl-cleaner might actually solve the rest of the problem by itself.
>Do you think I may have better luck with the older 2015 PPC64 tarball and then just upgrading from there?
No, just use what you have. The older tarball will just make the problem worse.
▶ No.809500
>>809468
OK thanks. I plan on giving it another go this weekend.
▶ No.809507
>>798841
Debian doesn't require systemd, it's just the default.
▶ No.810482
Is there any way to run a media server on a headless system that still uses gpu acceleration? Trying with universal media server on gentoo, but I'm even having trouble installing Java.
▶ No.812086
>>809468
>but try running emerge -uav --nodeps perl && perl-cleaner --all
Thanks anon this got me moving forward again.
▶ No.812230
Layman soon replaced by eselect-repo. Pretty hyped. And python3_5 default target soon, I hope.
▶ No.812297>>824404
How good is wayland on gentoo? Does it take forever to compile like xorg does?
▶ No.824209>>824406
CloverOS GNU/Linux
Official homepage: https://cloveros.ga
Current ISO: https://cloveros.ga/s/CloverOS-x86_64-20171117.iso
Libre ISO: https://fr.cloveros.ga/CloverOS_Libre-x86_64-20171117.iso
Git: https://gitgud.io/cloveros/cloveros
Package count: 3151 https://cloveros.ga/s/packages.html
FAQ: https://gitgud.io/cloveros/cloveros/blob/master/FAQ.md
Official IRC channel: #cloveros on Rizon
Previous threads: https://warosu.org/g/?task=search2&search_subject=cloveros
GPG: 78F5 AC55 A120 07F2 2DF9 A28A 78B9 3F76 B8E4 2805
License: WTFPL
Mirrors: https://useast.cloveros.ga https://uswest.cloveros.ga https://fr.cloveros.ga https://au.cloveros.ga https://uk.cloveros.ga https://nl.cloveros.ga
Current CFLAGS: CFLAGS="-Ofast -mmmx -mssse3 -pipe -funroll-loops -flto=8 -floop-block -floop-interchange -floop-strip-mine -ftree-loop-distribution"
Validate ISO:
gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key "78F5 AC55 A120 07F2 2DF9 A28A 78B9 3F76 B8E4 2805"
wget https://cloveros.ga/s/signatures/s/CloverOS-x86_64-20171117.iso.asc
gpg --verify CloverOS-x86_64-20171117.iso.asc CloverOS-x86_64-20171117.iso
▶ No.824210
▶ No.824214>>824272 >>824331
Convince me to use gentoo over arch.
btw, I use arch.
▶ No.824272>>824278 >>824282
>>824214
It's actually easy to avoid GTK3 faggotry.
▶ No.824278>>824282
>>824272
Why should I avoid GTK3 faggotry?
▶ No.824318
>>775915
>he doesn't like the Based and Master Race langauge Python
▶ No.824330
>>751553
Gentoox is certainly good enough for my Xbox. Not to start a distro argument, but I've run Slackware on my PC since v1.0 in the 90s. I would like to consider that patrician as well... pls no bully
▶ No.824331>>824371 >>825221
>>824214
>Convince me to use gentoo over arch.
No systemd.
▶ No.824332
>>751560
how do I install gentoo on my nintendo wii?
▶ No.824371
>>824331
I could just go to void to achieve the same
▶ No.824404
>>812297
>How good is wayland on gentoo? Does it take forever to compile like xorg does?
Xorg doesn't take long to compile
Wayland is not something you compile. You need to install a wayland compositor or DE that has one (e.g. GNOME or KDE)
▶ No.824406
>>824209
That's just poorly riced Gentoo for sake of ebin memes
▶ No.824410
>>824282
What is this supposed to mean? I hope you don't think that's the number of package depending on gtkancer3.
▶ No.825196>>825246
A bunch of games got removed from the repos recently.
Gentoo devs really hate fun, don't they?
▶ No.825221
>>824331
He asked for a reason to use Gentoo, not Arch
▶ No.825246>>825259 >>825725
>>825196
As far as I understand, what happened:
>Completely broken packages (like neverwinter nights) got cleaned up
>Previous/older versions got cleaned up
>Some game ebuild got minor fixes
>Most games lost their stable keyword
As sad as it sounds, IMO it's not a big deal. Gentoo games project have been sort of abandoned for a while and games should be shipped in a different way anyway (appimages/flatpaks/steam/etc.)
▶ No.825259>>825496
>>825246
>games should be shipped in a different way anyway (appimages/flatpaks/steam/etc.)
Kill yourself, faggot.
▶ No.825496>>825725
>>825259
I double dare you motherfucker, say that one more time, nigger!
https://archive.is/JcakZ (Glow-in-the-darkies deleted the original page from Terry's site)
>Therefore, 3rd party ISO files must bring all required software
components with them, except what is found in the TempleOS ROM.
>Having all your 3rd party software on separate DVDs or ISO files and TempleOS running from a ROM, keeps it delightfully simple so you have complete understanding of what is going on. You will have complete confidence and it will be a joy to use. 3rd party applications can store saved data files into your /Home hard drive directory.
▶ No.825725
>>825246
>>825496
Free as in freedom games should be on the repos so I can compile them using whatever flags I want. As for proprietary cancer it really doesn't matter how it is shipped.
And Gentoo isn't TempleOS.
▶ No.826532>>826538
>>751568
>GPL
>Not a cuck licence
Better share that source GNUboi
▶ No.826538
▶ No.827324>>827371
>>758216
SJW = Mentally ill
Tranny = Mentally ill
▶ No.827352
>>751569
>pyras are 4 plebs
yeah, you baited me, here's your (you)
▶ No.827353>>827545 >>829495
>>751568
How the nig is bsd a cuck license?
▶ No.827371
>>827324
/pol/ = terminally retarded
▶ No.827464>>827532
>>758216
You can't be trans without being SJW. The average joe will tolerate trans but only SJW will treat them like the cute girl they wish they were, and only if they make a public show of playing along with their absurd cult.
▶ No.827532>>827580
>>827464
</pol/yps calling SJWs a cult and acting like /pol/ isn't
LOL
▶ No.827545>>832184
>>827353
>yes, Mr Goldstein, take my software I worked on for free, rebrand and sell it to the goyim without giving me any recognition or compensation!
-t proud BSD license dev
▶ No.827580>>827593
>>827532
Show me where I defended /pol/ please.
▶ No.827654
>>827593
What an epic showdown.
▶ No.829457
▶ No.829495
>>827353
All this license war shit is boring as fuck tbh. In the 80's you had epic Amiga vs. Atari ST wars, or Commodore 64 vs. Atari 800 wars, but at least that was in demoscene productions. Now everything is completely lame and boring, and the lamers who keep ranting about "muh cuck license" don't even have the skills to make anything, much less a real demo like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJIb1oTGk-k
▶ No.831637>>831894 >>831917 >>832183 >>833793
Gentoo just released profile v17.0 to stable. As reported in their Portage news entry, the main difference is that they're beginning to use GCC "hardened" features by default. Good, but since this is Gentoo, that's a recompilation for most users.
I come here to report that I'm disobeying the news entry slightly with good results. The official way is:
emerge -e @world
but
emerge -e --quiet-build=y -j @world
is much more impressive. Pic related.
▶ No.831894>>831897 >>832098
>>831637
Are you serious?
So you don't have to select the hardened profile ?
I don't understand. I just went through the whole recompilation after selection hardened and recompiling the toolchain.
▶ No.831897>>831902
>>831894
By the way, what is the rule to set MAKEOPTS?
I have a dual core 4 threads, and if I remember well, I should use my thread count, and add 1.
So it would make "-j5 -l5"?
I'm not sure though.
▶ No.831902>>831903
>>831897
That's not actual anymore. If you have Intel with hyper-threading, use the amount of threads, if anything else, use the amount of cores.
▶ No.831903
>>831902
all right, thanks.
I saw the two version in the doc, so I just wanted to be sure.
▶ No.831917>>832183
>>831637
>having to recompile the whole system
This shit is going to take a whole week.
▶ No.831950
>>751566
Hardened Gentoo > OpenBSD for a couple reasons:
A) Gentoo is made for cross-compile. Cross-compile is a shitfest in OpenBSD.
B) Hardened Gentoo includes SELinux and other MAC solutions. OpenBSD relies on UNIX permissions and app developers 'pledging' their programs.
OpenBSD has great powerful autism which would be much greater if MAC could be applied and cross-compilation wasn't stupid.
▶ No.831954>>831956 >>831958
Just got done recompiling an i686 hardened stage3 environment into an i486 hardened stage3 environment. CFLAGS are:
CFLAGS="-pipe -O0 -march=i486 -mtune=i486 -fstack-protector-all -ggdb"
I also have debug set in USE, and installsources, compressdebug, and splitdebug set in FEATURES. My goal is a fully audit-able source system. -O0 because optimizations may make the assembly differ in structure from the source code. Also, optimizations *may* be a point of vulnerability ex: you may write your program correctly, but the optimization in GCC possibly introduces a security bug.
Yea yea, it'll be slower. Point is I want this system to be inspect-able. I also chose i486 to remove the need for as many special patented instructions from the architecture as possible and make it old computer-friendly.
▶ No.831956>>831958
>>831954
>Also, optimizations *may* be a point of vulnerability
link por favor?
▶ No.831958>>832731
>>831954
cont'd
I am building a virtual machine distcc worker with i486 code, which will then do the heavy lifting for a powermac g4 powerbook with broken monitor I removed and plugged a CRT into (Anyone doing this will need to change the 'screen' alias in OpenFirmware to something like "stone_b" instead of "stone_a" and use video=ofonly, so the Linux kernel uses OpenFirmware and treats the VGA port as default rather than the broken/nonexistent screen).
I like non-modern, non-intel platforms. This system, while slow, will be my personal information management system (i.e. not so much "online browsing" but finance, personal journaling, etc).
>>831956
Here's a quick lmgtfy URL, sir lots-o-lazy:
https://nebelwelt.net/publications/files/15LangSec.pdf
▶ No.832098
>>831894
You didn't have to, but you could consider yourself ahead of the pack now. The 17.0 profiles really only enable PIE, while hardened adds a few more features. I could be wrong, but you may be able to switch to the 17.0 profile of your choosing with no bad effects since you already have a PIE system.
▶ No.832183
>>831637
>19 running
absolute madman
do it without -l in makeopts you coward
>>831917
that's what you get for installing gnome/kde bloat
▶ No.832184
>>827545
you're just bitter that nobody would take the shit you make if it was CC-0
▶ No.832731
>>831958
Can you share the tools you're using?
I was searching some tools to get news/financial info through the command line, only found some very little project like mop or news (github).
▶ No.832823
>>768509
my anemic amd A4 laptop finishes 2500 packages in under a day..
▶ No.833793
>>831637
Running all this shit in parallel would actually probably increase the time it'll take to compile everything on my weak CPU.
▶ No.838640
>752581
i own an n270 acer aspire
▶ No.839729
>>785411
>implying you think
▶ No.842511
▶ No.842733>>842824
>>842710
>57M
No way you can actually run "FireFox" on that.
▶ No.842734>>842788
>>842710
>2.4.31
Good luck on using in in 2k18.
▶ No.842788
>>842734
Standard exploits won't work if the kernel is customized to the Xbox :^)
▶ No.842824
>>842733 it's actually suprisingly good. appart from the images not matching the posts sometimes. it was working last night.
▶ No.842852>>842860
>>842710
Damn-Small-Linux in 2017!
<brofist
Sure, nowadays it's an outdated and abandoned piece of crap but we must look at it's philosophy not its version numbers.
"Fuck bloatware" is its philosophy in a nutshell. (Also it's "fuck documentation, no manpages needed when --help is available". Honestly I'm mixed about removing mans, but it's true information is needlessly duplicated.)
▶ No.843401
>>842943
stop posting your terrible rice everywhere
▶ No.843437
All µkernels have so much useless bloat that they barely run on an expensive pocketwatch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FuDWQwA0dI
are there any nanokernels without endless amount of useless features? (inb4 templeOS ring0 only 50million taskswaps per second .webm)
▶ No.848338>>848398
>>848293
i like it anon... i cant install gentoo, i dont have the patience for the install. if i did get it installed wouldnt i have to setup my DE, like make a menu list and menu bar? i just want it all setup for me, i....i cant do that shit. i love linux tho
▶ No.848392>>848394 >>848400
>>848293
>polybar
>not lemonbar
>dbus
>bash
>not zsh or mksh
>htop
>not modern-top
>having boostruosities like mpd installed
>window_gap this big
HARMFUL
▶ No.848394>>848503
>>848392
>modern-top
what's this
▶ No.848398>>848426
>>848338
installing gentoo is ez, don't let the meming of people who've never done it fool you
just follow the official handbook and you'll be fine
>if i did get it installed wouldnt i have to setup my DE
you can install gnome, kde, xfce or whatever which you'll have to "set up" as much as on any other distro
I recommend xfce or lxde
▶ No.848400>>848407
>>848392
>dbus
What are you using to support notification then?
>having boostruosities like mpd installed
What boostruosites means?
Have you any suggestion than just pain trolling?
▶ No.848402>>848408
>>775915
this
wish it had BSD-style ports
▶ No.848407>>848503
>>848400
>What boostruosites means
he means programs using the boost c++ lib
▶ No.848408
▶ No.848426>>848442 >>848447 >>848453
>>848398
Different anon, it was simple enough to follow the handbook and be greeted by a cli on boot.
I was already familiar with arch having used it for around a year or so, the procedure is similar enough if anything I found the documentation laid out better than archwiki for beginners and learned a fair amount more in the process.
Too early to judge gentoo as I've only started yesterday, it will take me a good while to get used to portage coming from pacman. I find portage a lot more powerful yet prefer the speed and simplicity I am used to with pacman/pacaur.
Not crazy about minimalism although I do try to apply obvious optimizations where system stability is not compromised such as removing unneeded drivers and features from the kernel.
My main reason for switching was to escape systemD and I am uncertain of how long other distros offering solid alternatives would last. Figured gentoo was in the game long enough and openRC has a good reputation so why not.
My biggest concern is compile times and system upkeep once I've got a fair amount of packages installed on my system as there is more room for error when tweaking USE flags and kernel.
On the other hand portage seems to step you through and provides a lot more feedback when things go south.
I like the level of control I have over the system but I am unsure whether it will pay off for my use case.
How do overlays compare to the AUR in terms of amount of available software and being up to date?
I use the AUR a fair amount myself to install certain packages not available in the official repositories such as rpcs3, xfce-i3workspaces plugin, icecat, xboxdrv etc...
▶ No.848437
>>751838
What the fuck is wrong with that font? Look at those 'g' and 'p'. LOL that's fucking gay.
▶ No.848442
>>848426
Overlays are almost as good as AUR. With use flag customization, you can sometimes turn of faulty parts of the software you got from those repos. I used to configure stuff from AUR as well when it crashed.
Compile times are fairly short if you don't compile the browser for yourself. Even brother's athlon 64 x2 machine was finished with lxde, mpv, some games and python+turtle(tkinter) within 2 days. The phenom II x4 compiled the full system in two days when I first tried the distro ( yes, I fucked up like three times and still 2 days) - this included a compiled firefox, too.
▶ No.848447
>>848426
>compile times
just make sure to update at least once a week or two to avoid too many packages piling up
a few days ago when I updated (after about two weeks) it took ~35min (for 31 packages on my shitty dual core i5)
I update once every two weeks and I don't think it takes more than about 30+/-15 min on average (assuming there's not a big package like firefox or libreoffice to compile)
for firefox it takes about 40 min and for libreoffice about an hour or more for me iirc
▶ No.848453>>848957
>>848426
and don't worry about USE flags, just make sure you pick the desktop profile (with sensible USE flags that work for most people set)
you don't even need to change the default USE flags for the profile in most cases and if you do and "fuck up", you can always "unfuck" it by simply changing it back
if you fuck up the kernel, you can always boot into an older kernel via grub and fix it
▶ No.848503>>848519
>>848394
equery u procps
>>848407
That's what I mean. Honestly, mpd would be perfect without. But depending on a library with a 80MB tarball, that exists only to make C++ even more bloated than the memes could is a no-no for anyone sane.
I use cmus, now, which is okay (but I prefer the client/daemon architecture of mpd, instead of the curses client being a daemon and having a CLI remote tool of cmus).
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>>848503
>equery u procps
tried it and it's still shitty and barely usable
I can see your point about boost, but there's literally nothing wrong htop (unless you're a masochist)
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>>848519
What's the problem with it? With a little configuration, it's plenty usable. You can even kill with k.
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>>848293
Those are some comfy colors anon.
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>>848453
>you don't even need to change the default USE flags for the profile in most cases
Is there any point in changing desktop profile USE flags when you could just set/unset whatever missing/additional packages you want globally from make.conf?
Even then, I have only edited make.conf when instructed so far.
The only use flags I've edited were on a per package basis in package.use directory.
Despite mostly using i3+xfce I'd rather keep my options open since I sometimes use software that require KDE and gnome dependencies such as kolour, Okular, etc...
I still configure useflags to remove unnecessary dependencies per package. If there is a dependancy I want to get rid off I'd just look at what software has it as a hard dependancy and try to replace it.
For now I am content with simply -systemd being present.
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>>842943
I think you posted in the wrong thread>>842710
thats actually beautiful and inspiring
▶ No.852420>>853669
Would you recommend Gentoo to someone who is a minimalist, but strictly anti-ricer?
I am interested in Gentoo because I want to stop eating other people's shit and make my own.
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>>852420
>I want to stop eating other people's shit and make my own
write your own OS then, faggot
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Transition to fvwm started
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>>854443
Have you tried jwm? In my opinion it is the best minimalist stacking wm.
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I can never get my chink mechanical keyboard to work.
What am I doing wrong?