▶ No.1037459>>1037909 >>1038233
I've never understood the point of koans, they're incredibly uninteresting and while you might learn some stuff from them ultimately what you've built is of no utility to you.
▶ No.1037463>>1037562 >>1038233
>taking an ancient proverb style and throwing coding into it
Sounds like prime plebbit soycuck to me.
▶ No.1037465>>1037470 >>1037471
▶ No.1037470
>>1037465
“And who better understands the Unix-nature?” Master Foo asked. “Is it he who writes the ten thousand lines, or he who, perceiving the emptiness of the task, gains merit by not coding?”
Upon hearing this, the programmer was enlightened.
lmao and somehow lispfag still pretends he isn't the living embodiment of Unix.
▶ No.1037471>>1037473 >>1038038 >>1038234
Yeah this is pretty difficult to top. Programmers constantly pull shit that would get you barred for life from any engineering profession, but have egos the size of Jupiter. Nonsensical programming language analogies are also as cringy as it gets.
>>1037465
esr is one of the main culprits behind this self-aggrandizing garbage.
▶ No.1037473>>1038251
>>1037471
>esr is one of the main culprits behind this self-aggrandizing garbage.
very true as that is basically all he does
▶ No.1037477>>1037608
What do you think of these:
http://thecodelesscode.com/
?
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▶ No.1037514>>1037525
>>1037455 (OP)
Drink bleach and shoot yourself in the mouth, you fucking failed abortion.
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▶ No.1037562
>>1037463
It's Gnuddhism actually
▶ No.1037563
chanayana gnuddhism is gay
▶ No.1037602>>1037608 >>1037621
>>1037455 (OP)
I similarly find these koans to be awful, in general. There are very few that are worthwhile.
I particularly dislike Eric Raymond's koans concerning UNIX:
http://catb.org/esr/writings/unix-koans
There's also this drivel, where characters are regularly killed for slights; of course, many of the characters are women here, as well:
http://thecodelesscode.com
In brief, I see koans as naught but sophistry.
▶ No.1037608
>>1037477
The author gives a shit about cultural appropriation lol
>>1037602
>In brief, I see koans as naught but sophistry.
That may be true but you don't have to sound like a faggot while saying it
▶ No.1037610>>1037625
>Chu, called Kokushi, the teacher of the emperor, called to his attendant: `Oshin.'
>Oshin answered: `Yes.'
>Chu repeated, to test his pupil: `Oshin.'
>Oshin repeated: `Yes.'
>Chu called: `Oshin.'
>Oshin answered: `Yes.'
>Chu said `I ought to apologize for you for all this calling, but really you ought to apologize to me.'
Now I want to ask you: Which one should apologize?
▶ No.1037615>>1037621
Eric S. Raymond ripped off the style when he "revised" the Jargon File. The UNIX ones make you cringe because they ran it into the ground. It's like Reddit with rage face memes.
A novice was trying to fix a broken Lisp machine by turning the power off and on.
Knight, seeing what the student was doing, spoke sternly: "You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong."
Knight turned the machine off and on.
The machine worked.
Subject: Re: MC:HUMOR;JARGON >
The JARGON file is being updated. The guy doing so has
changed the nasty references to Unix to refer to MS-DOS
because "all the ITS partisans have now become Unix
partisans, since the Unix philosophy is the same as the
ITS philosophy." as he says.
YAAAARRGGGH!!!
If you would be gracious enough to identify this, um, I
believe the proper term is "loser", then we might have the
opportunity to clarify our philosophical differences.
▶ No.1037621>>1038553
>>1037615
To clarify, I'm >>1037602 and I agree. Those koans are the very few I mentioned that are good and that one in particular is one you can even share in casual conversation.
I prefer the AI lab koans to the old koans about Mu and Ganto's axe and other Eastern things I find nonsensical.
▶ No.1037625>>1037628 >>1037645
>>1037610
Productive person's answer: Who cares? Get a job.
▶ No.1037627>>1038553
A cocky novice once said to Stallman: “I can guess why the editor is called Emacs, but why is the justifier called Bolio?”
Stallman replied forcefully: “Names are but names, ‘Emack & Bolio's’ is the name of a popular ice cream shop in Boston-town. Neither of these men had anything to do with the software.”
His question answered, yet unanswered, the novice turned to go, but Stallman called to him: “Neither Emack nor Bolio had anything to do with the ice cream shop, either.”
(The store is named after two homeless men.)
▶ No.1037628
>>1037625
A monk asked Master Haryo, “What is the way?”
Haryo said, “An open-eyed man falling into the well.”
▶ No.1037645>>1037650
>>1037625
>monk
<job
>>>monk
<<<job
>>>>>>>>>>monk
<<<<<<<<<<job
that is their job idiot
▶ No.1037650>>1037651
>>1037645
>implying I was talking about the monks
Maybe if you spent a little less time navel-gazing and a bit more time outside you wouldn't be such a retard.
▶ No.1037651>>1037652 >>1037656
>>1037650
Have you eaten breakfast?
▶ No.1037652>>1037653 >>1037656
>>1037651
Have you taken your soy pill?
▶ No.1037653>>1037654 >>1037656
>>1037652
No. Have you eaten breakfast?
▶ No.1037654>>1037655 >>1037656
>>1037653
Yes. Now go get your soy.
▶ No.1037655>>1037656 >>1037657
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▶ No.1037657
>>1037655
Are you trying to make a "koan" with me in it? OK, I'm enlightened. Don't forget your HRT.
▶ No.1037658>>1037660
▶ No.1037660
>>1037658
The path of cringless cringe is the one true way, friend.
▶ No.1037663
>>1037455 (OP)
This looks like a rip-off of ESR's actually good "Master Fu and the UNIX Koran". Stupid copycats
▶ No.1037683
>>1037455 (OP)
They probably remind you of yourself. That's likely why you cringe.
▶ No.1037692
>How will you know you have mastered technology?
<When you never use it.
▶ No.1037705>>1037714
>cringing ever
Never understood this meme.
▶ No.1037714
>>1037705
When an anonymous poster makes an unskillfull post, with no tact; it could said that that poster has made a cringeworthy post. When an anonymous poster makes a cringeworthy post, and there is no cringe in response, then is it really cringeworthy?
Your post is both skillfull and enlightened. The quality of cringe we seek is ever changing and ever fleeting, yet surrounds us at all times. Such is the way of the cringeless cringe.
▶ No.1037833
>>1037455 (OP)
All these koans come off as "hurr durr, I read a Wikipedia entry on far-eastern philosophy, so now I can write my own".
▶ No.1037879
Seems like just a pretentious FAQ/tips section.
▶ No.1037909
>>1037459
>while you might learn some stuff from them ultimately what you've built is of no utility to you.
But you get enlightened, like a man who bumps his head on a chandelier.
▶ No.1037921>>1037949
>>1037455 (OP)
Sounds like some self important bullshit made my "coder" dipshits that not only makes a disrespectful mockery of actual religions and spiritual beliefs but also shows just how full of themselves they are.
▶ No.1037932>>1037940
>>1037455 (OP)
>Is there anything more cringeworthy than these "koans"?
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/licenses.html#GPL
▶ No.1037940
>Is there anything more cringeworthy than these "koans"?
>>1037932
▶ No.1037945
>>1037455 (OP)
>Explicit is better than implicit
>pull = pull --ff-only
Lol
▶ No.1037947
>>1037486
That's not even cringe. It's just sad.
▶ No.1037949>>1037954 >>1037955 >>1037957 >>1037965 >>1038079 >>1038134
>>1037921
The jokes are stupid, but religions deserve no respect.
▶ No.1037955>>1038161
>>1037949
Stay mad degenerate.
▶ No.1037965>>1037974 >>1038021 >>1038161
>>1037949
> things that survived for thousands of years deserve no respect
▶ No.1037974>>1038061 >>1038161
>>1037965
> things that survived for thousands of years
> crocodiles survived in current form for millions of years
Therefore crocodiles are supreme beings
▶ No.1038021>>1038030 >>1038104 >>1038148 >>1038226
>>1037965
In its earliest days religion served as a guideline that prevented humans from subverting to degeneracy and gave them the ideal image of life in the form of the heavens. After the Age Enlightenment, men began to accept themselves as the ideal; religion is no longer needed for the development of society.
▶ No.1038030>>1038061
>>1038021
Men seeing themselves as the ideal is the cause of the individualist degeneracy plaguing the west. We need a new religion that isn't the worship of the individual, or the worship of technology if we want to avoid complete societal destruction
▶ No.1038038>>1038061 >>1038104
>>1037471
While i consider systems programming to be real engineering and science, I think that fact that you invent systems literally out of thin air in software, with no physical artifacts to instinctively judge the results by, the basic enabler of this type of horseshit.
The same phenomenon BTW it is what permits poos and womyn to get their for in the door into the field. White men create the basic frameworks to simplify the basic process, then the pretenders ride on top of that throwing shit against everything wall in hopes something will stick.
▶ No.1038057
Some 3 years ago my college colleagues were on local TV talking about "groundbreaking" tech gadget they "created".
7 of them total, 4 of them women, 3 of which are economy students and couple of no brain code monkeys.
They made a fucking teddy bear with camera for an eye. Shit that existed for couple of decades now.
▶ No.1038061>>1038068
>>1037974
Crocodiles do deserve respect and deference though. If you fuck with them they will kill you very easily.
>>1038030
Just need the churches to quit being pussies. Every one I've been to "oh, God loves you, if you sin he'll forgive you so long as you apologize." There's never a line in the sand. "Oh, I know the book says not to fuck dozens of men in the ass, but surely God loves you just the way you are so it's okay." There's no teeth to it anymore. Fire and brimstone, fear of God and righteous punishment are needed to keep the retard normalcattle in line. If you're intelligent enough to not be a degenerate without being told you'll burn forever good on you, but
>>1038038
When fuckups cost nothing but time (and you're getting paid by the hour) people have no incentive to actually do it right.
▶ No.1038068
>>1038061
brats say "God sends people to hell? God destroys cities? That doesn't sound like a very loving God to me!"
then they grow up, look around, and wonder: "where is God? What kind of a loving God could possibly restrain himself from smashing this planet to bits?"
churches need to appeal to the second group, but instead they try to appeal to the first group.
this is a mystery.
▶ No.1038073>>1038161
>>1038058
>someone got so triggered by fedora memes they drew this
▶ No.1038104>>1038148 >>1038747
>>1038021
>After the Age Enlightenment, men began to accept themselves as the ideal; religion is no longer needed for the development of society.
Pic related
>>1038038
I blame the general computer illiteracy in the population. If you were to build a shack from plywood and scraps and then call yourself an architect everyone and their mother would laugh at you because they know what a real house is supposed to look like. Anyone who isn't a mouthbreathing retard can build a shack from plywood and scraps.
However, when it comes to computers, the equivalent of plywood and scraps that is modern software development of "just throw some shit together, it it runs slow tell people to buy a better processor". But for the technologically illiterate even this Pajeet tier shit is like magic because they cannot even write a Hello World on the shell.
Imagine living in a world where people don't know what a hammer is. Anyone who can nail two boards together would be seen as some kind of wizard. There would be no social filter that would bring those people back down to earth. No, you are not a wizard, you are not an ancient Chinese monk on a mountain top. You're an idiot with a hammer and some nails who nailed some scrap wood together.
▶ No.1038134>>1038147 >>1038161 >>1038535
>>1037949
I think buddhism among most religions deserves respect. In fact it isn't a religion like the majority of others are. They don't worship gods of any kind but from what I understand seek to cultivate something within themselves. It's more nuanced than I can explain or understand from my readings.
Anyway the others deserve respect where it's due anyway. I would give some reasons but it's clear to me that you're just a shitposting faggot, so I won't waste my time.
▶ No.1038147>>1038189
>>1038134
They don't worship gods but do believe in other realms/dimensions. The point is to cultivate non-attachment so you don't have to repeat an infinite number of lives. If you have craving or attachment you get to be reborn again in another realm of suffering. Apparently if you are able to awaken yourself or "enter the stream" you have a maximum of 7 lives left, which to Buddhists is a much preferable alternative.
▶ No.1038148
>>1038021
No, don't tell christcucks they're wrong about something or they'll start posting shit like this
>>1037954
>>1038104
Politics, religion, and sexuality for the majority of people is more about picking and choosing comfortable ideas than it is about trying to describe trends in the world around us.
People start with a conclusion or sensibility they're psychologically attached to, and then try to build their arguments up from it.
▶ No.1038189>>1038535 >>1039161
>>1038147
>The point is to cultivate non-attachment
Mfw I'm a Buddhist without even trying
▶ No.1038226
>>1038021
You're right that religion doesn't necessary have to be the moral guideline. But there still must be a moral guideline.
▶ No.1038233
>>1037463
This.
>>1037459
They are just means to get a student to think about something for a good long while.
▶ No.1038234
>>1037471
DUDE
MICRODOSING LSD
LMAO
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▶ No.1038251>>1038262 >>1038272 >>1038322 >>1038545 >>1038619 >>1039098
>>1037473
Hey now, he doesn't only aggrandize himself
▶ No.1038262
>>1038251
>shut up and listen
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▶ No.1038322
>>1038251
>...soggy lump of excrement...
He's been waiting to use that line since the eight grade, hasn't he?
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▶ No.1038545
>>1038251
ESR is the epicist shitposter. Too bad he thinks Non-Free Software should coexist with free. Damn Open Source idiots.
▶ No.1038553>>1038610
I don't think these koans are that terrible. What's so cringe about them?
>https://sanctum.geek.nz/arabesque/vim-koans/
A bit simplistic and about as satisfying as the original koans, if you know enough vim to get what it's talking about. But adds very little so you might as well enjoy the actual koans instead. I guess brainlet soibois can't into cultural relativism so you have to put in a context they're familiar with or they get too distracted.
>http://stevelosh.com/blog/2013/04/git-koans/
This was boring, I couldn't even finish reading. Seems more like a very abstruse and incomplete git manual than a koan. Koans aren't just pithy and vague for the sake of being mysterious, they're supposed to trigger your brain into contemplating big philosophical questions that are hard to express succinctly.
>http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/
These aren't too bad. They're not great, but at least have proper structure of a simple narrative with ironic humor that points to an interesting philosophical idea.
>http://thecodelesscode.com
This one is just silly. The pastiches are much worse than the original they parody. And the ones that seem original, I don't get why they have violence as a punch line. The koan doesn't really work as a narrative joke, and on an intellectual level, resolving a philosophical conflict with violence between characters is just unsatisfying.
>http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/AI_Koans
>>1037627
I like these a lot. I enjoy the humor and they are actually enlightening. The nice thing about these is that they don't just try to express random wisdom about life, but wisdom about math and computation. My favorites are the ones about Knight and Sussman.
>>1037621
I'm not that well read on actual eastern philosophy, but I feel like while they have a good amount of genuinely illuminating stuff, they also have a lot of ridiculous nonsense. In the West we also have a lot of shit philosophy (eg post modernism) mixed in with good stuff (eg plato). Even within Plato's stuff he had a lot of good ideas but also some retarded ones. Anyways, the worst koans are so bad that their nonsensical content is humorous, so I like the ones where the localization to something like Java or OOP makes it even more ridiculous.
>>1037486
The new, /tech/nological Sam Hyde?
▶ No.1038581>>1041037
>>1037486
I can't stop staring at his teeth. They are so perfectly blunt and the same height, as if someone grinded them down. No canine teeth, just a perfectly herbivore mouth.
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▶ No.1038610
>>1038553
> The new, /tech/nological Sam Hyde?
More like BG Kumbi.
▶ No.1038619
>>1038251
Jesus Christ this reads like something the multics shitposter would make up about C fanboys. Fucking ESR.
▶ No.1038627
>>1037455 (OP)
>And of course half the people in them are women because we all know the field is really saturated with women
Like xkcd tbh.
▶ No.1038747>>1041017
>>1038104
While I'd prefer a white christian society, I'll play devil's advocate here, because there's a problem with your pic:
Current year western culture is not a real atheist, religionless society. Christianity was simply replaced by another religion, Satanism (the combination of leftism, socialism, marxism, degeneracy, subversion and hedonism).
Satanists claim to be all for science and logic. But whenever science and logical thinking go against these people's actions and beliefs, they'll straight up say that science and logical thinking are haram and should be ignored or even banned.
▶ No.1038771
>>1037486
99% of this board
▶ No.1039098
▶ No.1039161>>1039344
>>1038189
Apathy isn't the same thing
>>1038161
I never even mentioned Christianity. I'm not a christcuck, maybe you should read posts before replying to them you stupid fucking mongoloid.
▶ No.1039344>>1040611 >>1040927
>>1039161
>I'm not a christcuck
<tips fedora
▶ No.1040213>>1040214
A monk asked Tozen when he was weighing some flax, "What is Buddha?"
Tozen said, "This flax weighs three pounds.
▶ No.1040214
>>1040213
The student heard this admonition and felt as if he had tasted sweet nectar.
▶ No.1040610
>>1038240
>If you call me a fedora tipper, you are too sensitive!
>Please don't call me a fedora tipper!
▶ No.1040611
>>1039344
>He thinks only christians mock fedora tippers.
Heh
▶ No.1040927
>>1039344
He is a Pagan more likely than not.
▶ No.1040931
I thought /tech/ liked the Tao of Programming
http://www.mit.edu/~xela/tao.html
▶ No.1041017
>>1038747
Horseshit. What you call satanism isn't satanism, isn't a religion and doesn't exist.
▶ No.1041037
>>1038581
That's nothing, you should've seen an old buddy of mine. His teeth are so perfectly simmetric, white, and evenly sized and spaced, that the dude seems to be on dentures. I've asked, he claims they're natural and he has visited the dentist very few times in his life. What's even stranger is that he's borderline obese and eats the part.
▶ No.1046339>>1046340
>--ff-only
>“Then why did you not warn me of a problem with my configuration?” she asked.
>Master Git replied: “there was no problem.”
Indeed. Imho veryone who doesn't rebase his branch before PR'ing should be murdered slowly.
▶ No.1046340
>>1046339
...though the morale was probably something else in that example, lel.
▶ No.1046350>>1046834 >>1046901
▶ No.1046834
>>1046350
lainchan is faggot central
▶ No.1046860
>>1037486
Well, he's using CDE, for what it's worth.
▶ No.1046901
>>1046350
not even remotely surprising
▶ No.1046980
>>1037486
Holy fuck. I think I have that book.