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 No.1031455>>1031463 >>1031469 >>1031519 >>1031522 >>1031523 >>1031535 >>1031537 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

When will Cniles admit their language is shit?

 No.1031461>>1031556

it cant be that bad when most operating systems and similar things are made in it


 No.1031463>>1031464

>>1031455 (OP)

>generics

>lambdas

>types

eh excuse me sepples fag but until you have monads you can stfu


 No.1031464

>>1031463

>plague and pestilence are fighting each other


 No.1031467>>1031468

>pcj

kill yourself


 No.1031468

>>1031467

who's that?


 No.1031469

>>1031455 (OP)

You don't have to use it.


 No.1031474

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>multiple threads on C, Rust, and Ada

>time for another one

>unfunny screencap with a 4um filename

>>>/4um/


 No.1031476

>reddit


 No.1031483>>1031484

Embedded systems and OS need C language.


 No.1031484>>1031490 >>1031612

>>1031483

>thinking c maps to the hardware and logic gates

hahaha


 No.1031489>>1031491 >>1031495 >>1031509 >>1031602

Why are we still tolerating this shit board? The mods do jack shit and leave up CP links for days, we're drowning in duplicate threads, we have a borderline tripfag signing every post with usenet quotes, and now we have shitters like OP making pointless new threads about Reddit screencaps they borrowed from 4um.


 No.1031490

>>1031484

Nothing even close to what anon said.


 No.1031491>>1031494 >>1031497 >>1031602

>>1031489

This board is a toilet because the mods don't do shit about it. Because we don't have id's, it is entirely possible that the mods themselves are the ones creating the bullshit threads and posts and shitting up the board.


 No.1031494>>1031499

>>1031491

>ids would reveal modposting

you're a fucking idiot


 No.1031495>>1031498

>>1031489

>Why are we still tolerating this shit board?

Well, make a new one. This is 8chan, after all.


 No.1031497>>1031498 >>1031499 >>1031501

>>1031491

It takes /a/-levels of crazy mods to make people migrate. /tech/'s mods are useless cunts but they don't prevent people from posting normally.


 No.1031498


 No.1031499>>1031502

>>1031494

It doesn't hurt to have id's. You must be some faggot who has to hide behind a mask to feel free to speak his mind.

>>1031497

Ineptitude and laziness sure prevent people from posting normally.


 No.1031500

>cniles

You think nobody caught your inherent samefagging by trying to force your shitty meme? Too bad.


 No.1031501>>1031502

>>1031497

where did people migrate to from /a/?


 No.1031502>>1031505 >>1031517

>>1031499

True.

>>1031501

/animu/. It's picking up a lot of speed lately now that they're gaining scanlators and shit.


 No.1031505>>1031517

>>1031502

>/animu/.

by the way, don't confuse it with /animus/ which is a tripfag circlejerk board.


 No.1031506

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 No.1031509

>>1031489 Come back to your home, 4chan or Reddit! It's 8chan!


 No.1031517>>1031543

>>1031502

>>1031505

How are the mods there? Are the shiteating faggots?


 No.1031519>>1031520

>>1031455 (OP)

Why do people still use x86? Why do people still use petrol? Why do people still eat three times a day?


 No.1031520>>1031521 >>1031540

>>1031519

>use x86

Jews

>petrol

Americans

>eat three times a day

Biological


 No.1031521


 No.1031522

>>1031455 (OP)

>Why do people still use C?

because white people exist while niggers like you make /g/ancer threads like this


 No.1031523

>>1031455 (OP)

>can't flip capital letters without a third party


 No.1031525

the only thing to take away from this garbage thread is that /tech/ has gotten shitty, even for /tech/.


 No.1031533>>1031543 >>1031545

C is used even though it has huge flaws and misdesigns precisely because it's extremely unproductive and badly designed. C is unproductive, so C programs need more programmers, so there are more C programmers and a bigger demand for them. C is incompatible with any language with real arrays and strings, so if you want to be compatible, you either have to convert all your data types each way or stick with C. C sucks so much that techniques used on systems like Multics and VMS to allow programs written in different languages to work together won't work with C because of array decay and null-terminated strings.

The bad design also means C (and other UNIX languages that inherited this brain damage) are more complicated, which is why there are so many "graduates" that only know one language when it used to be common to learn several different languages. The standard is also much longer even though C has fewer features. The language is harder to compile efficiently, which is why compilers are so bloated. The C standard itself is so poorly written and ill-defined that the standards committee could not add a single feature between 2011 and 2018 (besides increasing the version number) because they spent all that time fixing bugs in the standard itself.

Another reason is the huge revisionism campaign started by AT&T shills in the 80s, which is why there are people out there who believe C was the first high-level language used to write an operating system and other bullshit. There are even some weenies out there who said OOP came from C and C++.

    Yes, and they've succeeded.  Hordes of grumpy C hackers
are complaining about C++ because it's too close to the
right thing. Sometimes the world can be a frightening
place.

I've been wondering about this. I fantasize sometimes
about building better programming environments. It seems
pretty clear that to be commercially viable at this point
you'd have to start with C or C++. A painful idea, but.
What really worries me is the impression that C hackers
might actively avoid anything that would raise their
productivity.

I don't quite understand this. My best guess is that
it's sort of another manifestation of the ``simple
implementation over all other considerations'' philosophy.
Namely, u-weenies have a fixed idea about how much they
should have to know in order to program: the amount they
know about C and unix. Any additional power would come at
the cost of having to learn something new. And they aren't
willing to make that investment in order to get greater
productivity later.

This certainly seems to be a lot of the resistance to
lisp machines. ``But it's got *all* *those* *manuals*!''
Yeah, but once you know that stuff you can program ten times
as fast. (Literally, I should think. I wish people would
do studies to quantify these things.) If you think of a
programming system as a long-term investment, it's worth
spending 30% of your time for a couple years learning new
stuff if it's going to give you an n-fold speed up later.


 No.1031535

>>1031455 (OP)

Shoving every feature into the sun into a language doesn't make it good. The problem is that when you put a feature into a language some people might actually use it. This is why lambdas are so ugly in python - to make sure people don't use them too much.

>oop bad

c has oop tho


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>>1031455 (OP)

Because they are slaves to dupix.


 No.1031539>>1031551

MAKE A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE THAT'S FASTER AND PROVE IT IN A REPRODUCIBLE BENCHMARK


 No.1031540

>>1031520

Made me laugh. Thx.


 No.1031543

>>1031517

They're pretty chill.

>>1031533

>Lispfag has gone so far up his own asshole he's posting quotes describing C++ as "too close to the right thing"

Pottery.


 No.1031545


 No.1031551>>1031555


 No.1031555>>1031579 >>1031612 >>1031714

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>>1031551

>can't compile itself on x86 without running out of registers

>all or nothing approach to safety throws security out the window the minute you need something slightly less safe

>worse compile times than C++

>awful syntax

>awful community

>Pozilla

Rust is the LARPing ex-webdev's Ada.


 No.1031556

>>1031461

And we all know how great those operating systems are, right?


 No.1031579>>1031591

>>1031555

how do people compile it then?


 No.1031591

>>1031579

They cross-compile it from x86_64.


 No.1031602>>1031617

>>1031489

>The mods do jack shit and leave up CP links for days

fuck off anti. you don't like CP, then don't watch it, but don't try to stop us, or we will stop your heart

>>1031491

>Because we don't have id's

fuck off CIA


 No.1031612

>>1031484

Think of how many transistors are wasted to make the circuitry have an imperative interface over what is actually happening at a low level.

>>1031555

<moving the goalposts


 No.1031617

>>1031602

Eat shit, homossad.


 No.1031714>>1031850

>>1031555

>can't compile itself on x86 without running out of registers

x86 is deprecated. Also the x86 of LLVM is buggy.

>all or nothing approach to safety throws security out the window the minute you need something slightly less safe

C/C++ is unsafe by default and can't be made safe.

>worse compile times than C++

wrong

>awful syntax

This is an opinion, not an argument.

>awful community

agreed

>Pozilla

agreed


 No.1031850>>1031964

>>1031714

>x86 is depreciated

There's a lot of legacy hardware, embedded hardware, and old ThinkPads floating around. Throwing them all out because some Rustnigger insists they're "depreciated" is retarded.

>C/C++ is unsafe by default and can't be made safe.

There are other system programming languages than C and C++, retard. Ada can handle the shit you need unsafe blocks for in Rust without sacrificing all safety features.


 No.1031964

>>1031850

>Throwing them all out because some Rustnigger insists they're "depreciated" is retarded.

That's not what I'm saying though. Learn to read, cnile.

If you want support for your deprecated shit do a cross compile. It's that easy. Only OpenBSD niggers are so retarded an unironically support x86.

https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/12/10/1151

>Ada

Stop shilling your dead meme language. Rust may be a meme but at least it's alive.




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