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Is it the closest thing we get to Linux imitating Windows down to detail? Or is it just as, if not more, broken than WINE?
Have you tried it, have you tested it, and have you experimented with it? All questions I want to know.
If I were to run any Windows program on it now, what are the chances it won't work?
▶ No.1028167
▶ No.1028169>>1028173 >>1028579 >>1033711 >>1043620
>>1028166 (OP)
The ReactOS and Wine developers share information with each other, so I guess compatibility would be about the same, but both projects have different goals. Personally I don't really see a value in an OS for Windows software, but I guess if you have an ecosystem dependent on a lot of Windows software it would make sense.
>Is it the closest thing we get to Linux imitating Windows down to detail?
ReactOS has nothing to do with Linux
▶ No.1028173>>1028175 >>1028202 >>1028261 >>1028311 >>1028314 >>1028482 >>1028599 >>1032584 >>1033635 >>1043345
>>1028169
Really?
I could've sworn I heard somewhere they used it as a chassis for it, but I guess I'm a victim of following the baseless rumour. I feel silly, almost makes me wish 8chan had the option to edit comments based on your IP address, and not your claim... Then again, that's a privacy issue.
Anyway, that also got me thinking...
Remember the Windows XP Pirated Edition you usually saw on computers in Eastern Europe?
I've thought we could all try and get together to make a Windows 10 Community Preference Edition.
Unlike the primary version, it will re-insert customization of the desktop, modernised widgets, legacy applications, a FOSS database, make the Windows Store "Completely" Optional, but most of all, remove any and all Privacy Malware currently festering the system, even the hidden ones when deactivated.
It's not going to get updated frequently, if ever, but the community is capable of fixing more bugs than Windows could ever hope for.
I admit, the only reason I even want to do it is because I want to run Windows applications without technically "owning" it, but I pay my dues only to people who respect my personal space, and my right to use the software that I paid for as I see fit at the same time. I don't really care if this idea gets stolen neither. As long as whoever did it makes it work, I'm all for it.
It's not practically legal, in fact this post might get taken down for a DMCA sooner or later, but the price of Windows 10 is about as worth as their Privacy Statements...
▶ No.1028175>>1028176 >>1028202 >>1032206
>>1028173
At this point, I also have a feeling ReactOS would've been capable of so much more 10 years ago.
But I wouldn't be surprised if Windows secretly sued them with a cease and desist letter for infringement.
The plea deal was to slow the development to a crawl, or face legal action they'd have a worse chance of winning than a Lottery Jackpot.
If anything, we could all try and get together to improve the ReactOS already to show in a way that the people have spoken.
I'm pretty sure some of you that read this post never even heard of it, let alone contributed to it.
Here's your chance, tell Microsoft you won't need them.
▶ No.1028176
>>1028175
*Microsoft
God, I'm off today...
▶ No.1028202>>1028212 >>1028220
>>1028173
>but the community is capable of fixing more bugs than Windows could ever hope for.
Nice LARP
>>1028175
>But I wouldn't be surprised if Windows secretly sued them with a cease and desist letter for infringement.
Occam's razor, it's far more likely that the devs simply aren't that good nor swimming in resources.
▶ No.1028212
>>1028202
Man, I'm doof-ing today.
Must be something I ate...
▶ No.1028214>>1028223
ReactOS looks similar to TmaxOS....
▶ No.1028217>>1028225 >>1028456
Shit project that's going nowhere, thanks to the devs' terrible management skills.
▶ No.1028220
>>1028202
>Nice LARP
typing on the computer is not LARP
▶ No.1028223>>1028256
>>1028214
It's a South Korean company.
I have doubts...
What they lack in privacy invasion, they make up for in unreliability.
Just look at Samsung.
▶ No.1028225>>1028248
>>1028217
That's why it's Open Source, and that's why I''m suggesting that we come together to finally break down the walls of being forced to use Windows just to run nearly every program effortlessly.
If there are things you can/could change and fix (along with some code-digging in Windows), what would they be? We have a chance here to be free of Microsoft's Clutches.
And you can help...
▶ No.1028238>>1028456
The last time I tried ReactOS was back in 2013. Have things improved?
▶ No.1028248>>1028261
>>1028225
>That's why it's Open Source
Lack of good management is a common problem in open source projects, so that doesn't help.
>We have a chance here to be free of Microsoft's Clutches.
There have been millions of chances, the entire open source community let them all slip away.
>And you can help...
No individual person can help enough to make a difference, as long as management is bad.
▶ No.1028256>>1028289 >>1032584
>>1028223
They're accused of a license violation almost three years ago but because gooks no one cares:
https://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26791
▶ No.1028261>>1028278
>>1028248
No wonder we're here today with that kind of pessimism...
At least listen to this idea:
>>1028173
▶ No.1028274>>1028456
>make new os because no linux drivers and can't be bothered to just fix bugs in wine
>take so long that good drivers come out for linux in the meantime
>wine advances so that shit starts working
>steam creates its own tailor made compatibility layer
>even devs are releasing on linux now
What a waste.
▶ No.1028278>>1028298
>>1028261
>At least listen to this idea
That idea is so stupid not even reddit would fall for it
▶ No.1028284
I think ReactOS is an exciting project. I could see it being useful as a way to preserve our Windows legacy. Only downside is you have to put up with all the freeloaders who thinks this is just a free version of Windows and complain how it is developing slow.
▶ No.1028289>>1028624
>>1028256 The South Korean company, TmaxSoft, stole many source codes from open source projects and they made "Tmax Window" and "TmaxOS".
It is no wonder if TmaxOS looks like ReactOS. Maybe they could also steal source codes from ReactOS.
▶ No.1028291>>1028292 >>1028456
>windowns clone
What's the point?
▶ No.1028292
>>1028291
Compatability with executables compiled for windows
▶ No.1028297
reactOS is an excellent project if you don't look at it as an OS for the end result. discoveries made in reactOS go to wine and vice versa.
Last time I tried it was a decade ago and I wouldn't have high hopes even now
▶ No.1028298>>1028456 >>1028484
>>1028278
I know it is, but I'm willing to try anything just to get rid of my dependency on Windows, and at the same time have the ability to use the applications without any issues.
I could contribute more to WINE, but unless half the Windows user base miraculously switches to Linux in the next 2 years, it's going to take decades for it to be perfected.
It's times like these I'm proud to say: "I hate systematic monopolies..."
▶ No.1028299>>1028456 >>1028681
P.S. Is WINE pretty much the only way to run Windows Apps on Linux? Or is there an actual Emulator?
▶ No.1028310>>1028314 >>1028487 >>1043281 >>1043346
>Is it the closest thing we get to Linux imitating Windows down to detail?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>linux
REACT OS ISN'T LINUX
Linux = *nix kernel
Reactos = NT kernel
Reactos != Linux
▶ No.1028311>>1028586
>>1028173
Search for "windows 9"
▶ No.1028314
▶ No.1028322>>1028456 >>1028625
Bigger corporations are finally recognizing GNU/Linux as a legitimate operating system and developing for it so I'm guessing that GNU/Linux will reach its maturity phase faster than ReactOS, mainly because one of them has to intimidate a clusterfuck of a bloated piece of shit operating system while the other can advance independently.
▶ No.1028456>>1028484 >>1028625
>>1028217
What is it about their management skills that's wrong?
>>1028238
Absolutely. It went from "absolutely terrible" to "barely usable". There's still lack of NTFS support and it basically uses one CPU core. Also, USB support is still incomplete and it's 32-bits only.
>>1028274
There's stuff that can't be used with just a compatibility layer over Linux. I mean, Ext4 is still mandatory case-sensitive and you'll be fucked before you can load a Win XP driver over Linux.
There's overlap with Wine but they have different goals.
>>1028291
Legacy software and hardware.
>>1028298
Your best bet for the time being is Linux+Wine. Wine is progressing immensely but it's not there for the latest, say, video editor.
>>1028299
The only way unless you count CrossOver as a different thing. It's based on Wine.
https://www.codeweavers.com/products/crossover-linux/features
>>1028322
At this rate React OS will never reach Linux's maturity.
▶ No.1028482>>1028586 >>1028598 >>1028600 >>1043350
>>1028173
This already exists and is called windows 10 ameliorated edition.
▶ No.1028484>>1028488 >>1028625 >>1028647
>>1028456
>>1028298
> best bet for the time being is Linux+Wine.
Better not. Just look how OS/2 fared, no generic programs because Windows programs will run too. For Linux it is better to have no compatibility layer for windows, sorry Wine developer but that is the hard truth.
▶ No.1028487
>>1028310
ReactOS is a complete operating system. Linux is just a kernel.
▶ No.1028488>>1028579 >>1028595 >>1028647 >>1043353
>>1028484
>For Linux it is better to have no compatibility layer for windows, sorry Wine developer but that is the hard truth.
In what alternate reality do you live? Linux had no Windows compatibility since forever and it's still used in much less than 5% of all desktops.
OS/2 failed because it was a bad OS. But that's what happens when you associate with Microsoft. Also, you're comparing vastly different paradigms. There were almost no decent multiplatform development environments. Today development is mostly done in multiplatform shit like Python or QT.
Windows compatibility can only help Linux grow.
▶ No.1028579>>1028586 >>1028647 >>1028691
>>1028166 (OP)
I would never use it personally. I just have no use for Windows or clones of it. I've been using Unix and Unix-like systems such as Solaris and Mac OS for close to two decades and they're just superior in every way. I could not give less of a fuck about games either. Get a Playstation or something if you want bing bing wahoo shit.
>>1028169
This. React OS is not based on a Linux kernel. It uses its own kernel that's a rough clone of the early NT kernel, at least in so far as the drivers, syscalls, and other interfaces work. It's pretty much WINE, but with an OS underneath.
>>1028488
The problem is that cross platform shit is big and bloated and it sucks. I would rather use an OS with a nice Motif based interface and very little software like Solaris or IRIX, because the quality of the software is much higher. I don't care about portability beyond POSIX.
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>>1028579
1. I've got no use for games either, just something that can run Adobe, Corel and MS Office on a Linux practically with no bugs.
2. I already said I made a mistake, but there's no way to correct myself up there. I was half asleep that time or something...
3. You're right, I've been thinking of switching fully to Linux as well, but it's about as easy as quitting smoking. Withdrawal is a hard thing to stomach.
I've had an Idea for a special Virtual PC that contains only one operating system. A modified bare-bones edition of Windows, to run on all operating systems, but it seems kind of stupid...
>>1028311
>>1028482
Can you link me with a URL or an Onion or something?
▶ No.1028595
>>1028488
>OS/2 failed because it was a bad OS.
It failed because Gates and Balmer commanded their Drones to do a lot of highly illegal shit. Stuff like revoking Windows licenses of any Computer store that stocked OS/2; Million-dollar bribes to Government and Industrial clients; etc.
OS/2 had stuff like real multiprocess multitasking, and had the design to run semi-vritualisation, allowing Windows itself to run as a process. Before Windows95 came out, it was an OS that run proper ports of Unix software-- non-trivial things like GCC, Emacs, Perl, LaTeX, etc.
Raymond Chen, Microsoft's Coding Guru, was one of the Net's biggest OS/2 developers. But then he kissed the ring...
▶ No.1028598>>1028600
>>1028482
Never mind, I found it:
https://ameliorated.info/
And before you take me down, it's perfectly legal. As the Legal Notice stated at the botton of the page:
>By downloading any of these images, you agree to Microsoft’s Terms of Service with respect to (5.) Authorized Software and Activation. All Images have been rudimentarily activated using a Generic Volume License Key for Windows 10 Professional. By using any of these images you agree that you have obtained a genuine product key or are able to activate by an other authorized method.
▶ No.1028599
>>1028173
Who gives a shit about windows?
▶ No.1028600>>1028635 >>1028651
>>1028482
>>1028598
They didn't use LTSB as base though
▶ No.1028604>>1028605
What do you think will be released first? Hurd or ReactOS?
▶ No.1028605
>>1028604
React OS boots on real hardware. GNU/Hurd didn't the last time I tried it. It would only boot in a VM.
▶ No.1028624>>1029294
>>1028289 Tmax Window, windows compatible proprietary OS from Korea
Jun 30, 2009
https://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7134
▶ No.1028625>>1028691
>>1028456
>What is it about their management skills that's wrong?
Everything? They don't even try to stick to their core goal, see the whole btrfs thing.
>>1028322
Linux cannot advance independently because the environment around it is the same: if you don't conform to your user's expectations, you won't make it far.
>>1028484
For Linux it is better to get its head out of its arse
▶ No.1028635>>1028638 >>1028651
>>1028600
It's irrelevant. LTSB also phones home. Win10 AME also does this because they advise against disabling some stuff, but it's a good start.
▶ No.1028638>>1028649 >>1043355
>>1028635
>but it's a good start.
No it's not, it's a hackjob made by retarded LARPers whose suggested solution to the lack of security patches is "disable admin from the default user LMAO, also never use SMB outside of airtight intranets", and who can't even maintain DX12 compatibility.
If you want to strip down your Os to the point of non-functionality just rm rf
▶ No.1028647>>1028691 >>1033415 >>1043358 >>1043367
>>1028488
>>1028484
>For Linux it is better to have no compatibility layer for windows
>In what alternate reality do you live? Linux had no Windows compatibility since forever and it's still used in much less than 5% of all desktops.
In which reality do you live?
Linux is not developed as Windows replacement on desktop or laptops.
Linux is not some enthusiasts hobby project, but an industry driven commodity OS for server and IoT.
>OS/2 failed because it was a bad OS.
OS/2 was a stable OS when most people used Windows 3.1 and latter Win95/98/ME. OS/2 was even used in ATM and had no blue screen of death, like the embedded versions of Windows that replaced it.
>Windows compatibility can only help Linux grow.
Nobody is interested in grow for the sake of grow. Trying to play catch-up with the windows API would be retarded for Linux. Why should someone program for Linux if he can cover both by programming for Windows and then Windows would be still superior.
What holds Linux back is reinventing the wheel, not once, twice, but multiple times. Just look at the mess that are the Linux desktop environments. That retardation is not limited to the surface, but to the inner working too, sytemd is just one example of unnecessary mucking around with the core of the OS. If it ain't broken don’t fix it! It is really that simple.
People want an OS as a stable base for their computing, that don’t change much and integrates new technology as seamless as possible, not some flavour of the month, special snow flake, hysterical show. That is BTW why that literally gay CoC is such a bad sign for the future of Linux, is part of the bad omen for the future of the West.
>>1028586
>>1028579
>1. I've got no use for games either, just something that can run Adobe, Corel and MS Office on a Linux practically with no bugs.
That is never gonna happened, at least until reactOS becomes a viable alternative to Windows, far, far away, maybe in a time when Windows itself has become legacy software.
So while it would be nice to wrangle away from Microsoft the control over the windows API, there is no indication this will happened in some foreseeable future.
▶ No.1028649>>1028652 >>1028654
>>1028638
>disable admin from the default user
Which is a good thing. This is what Linux does. Unless windows is so shit that you can bypass admin restrictions it's a genuinely good thing to do for the default user.
▶ No.1028651>>1028654
>>1028635
>>1028600
>LTSB also phones home.
>Win10 AME a good start.
>Unfortunately, due to Windows 10’s background restoration behavior, it was deemed necessary to also remove any ability of manually installing update packages
So why not staying with windows 7 or XP(64) if the alternative is an equally unpatched OS with known bugs?
From a security point of view, no Microsoft OS should be allowed to connect to the Internet. Networking should be limited to more trustworthy OS.
>but, but vidya!
Buy a console and isolate it from your home network. Gamer are such a gay bunch of cucks, that like to take it in the ass, that nowadays can not even imagine that computer and console games existed and worked fine without being connected to a bot and spy network.
That is why you are called goyim, literally cattle, because you have no self control and restraint, like a animal.
▶ No.1028652
>>1028649
The default user is admin for backwards compatibility reasons. Old Windows software assumed only a single user and that user had full control over all parts of the OS. By making the modern Windows default user as admin, many of those old Windows software will work with less hassle than going through UAC every time you load the outdated program.
▶ No.1028654>>1028656
>>1028649
>Which is a good thing.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm saying it's not a viable replacement for actual security.
It's the equivalent of going "just don't download a virus bro".
>>1028651
>Buy a console
opinion discarded
▶ No.1028656>>1028662 >>1043360
>>1028654
>"just don't download a virus bro"
This is a valid thing to say. You can never fight against a retarded user. What else can you do other than install uBlockOrigin with malware filters and maybe have uMatrix. Most malware comes from the browser.
AV software isn't a good solution either, it's actually worse than having no AV.
▶ No.1028662>>1028666
>>1028656
Again, it is a valid suggestion as part of a larger security strategy (which can include adblockers, as you say), not as the one and only line of defense.
AME is put together by LARPers that only do the latter.
▶ No.1028666>>1028670
>>1028662
>AME is put together by LARPers
That's pretty obvious. But what's your suggestion, other than not using windows?
▶ No.1028670>>1043361
>>1028666
checked, also my solution is simply to use windows: realize that any serious privacy risk is unlikely to come from obvious and unpopular vectors such as windows update, and depending on your situation either keep all sensitive info outside the machine or keep them all on the machine.
▶ No.1028681>>1028701
>>1028299
imagine being this illiterate
▶ No.1028691>>1028695 >>1029239
>>1028625
see the whole btrfs thing
What about it? I followed it and I don't understand what you're trying to say.
>>1028647
>Linux is not some enthusiasts hobby project, but an industry driven commodity OS for server and IoT.
So you're saying Linux is not good enough for the desktop. I'm aware of that. Should the desktop world keep running Windows then?
>OS/2 was even used in ATM and had no blue screen of death
Oh, wow! So advanced! Too bad it was still crap. How many years have you used OS/2 Warp? Or are you just LARPing?
>Why should someone program for Linux if he can cover both by programming for Windows and then Windows would be still superior.
Nobody cares about programming for Linux so I don't get how having compatibility with Win32 can be any worse than the current situation.
Regarding the rest of your reply, yeah, Linux is shit outside servers and it's probably not gonna change in the foreseeable future.
>>1028579
>The problem is that cross platform shit is big and bloated and it sucks.
Nobody cares, Timmy. Are you gonna give dev teams 3 times their budget just so your sorry ass can use native applications?
>I don't care about portability beyond POSIX.
You're in the minority. People want Windows compatibility.
▶ No.1028695>>1028696
>>1028691
>What about it?
Are you serious?
Windows does not have btfrs support, so adding said support to reactOs would be out of scope regardless of everything else: and given the current state of development, it's especially out of scope as core functionality is still not there.
▶ No.1028696>>1028794
>>1028695
Yeah, but you're saying it as if the core devs decided to squander their time in adding BTRFS support.
It was a Google intern who implemented it on a Summer of Code sprint. It cost nothing to the ReactOS team. Sure, he could've chosen something else but it was his free time.
▶ No.1028701>>1028708 >>1029190 >>1043362
>>1028681
>"Hostility is the calling card of a weak intellect."
▶ No.1028708>>1032092
>>1028701
So's using quotes from your betters when you're rebuked for asking a asking a stupid question. We ain't google, faggot.
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▶ No.1028794>>1028796 >>1043363
>>1028696
>It cost nothing to the ReactOS team.
It's more code to maintain, that will be a significant cost in the future.
▶ No.1028796
>>1028794
They're using this library and it's not maintained by the ReactOS team: https://github.com/maharmstone/btrfs
I think you're making it seem like a management disaster when it's such a minor thing. Besides, there's a need for something better than FAT32 until NTFS is implemented.
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▶ No.1029190
>>1028701
>imagine being this insecure
▶ No.1029239
>>1028691
>So you're saying Linux is not good enough for the desktop.
No, what I’m saying is, that those paying for Linux are not interested in the desktop. They have no interest in a Windows replacement for the desktop, but for server and embedded.
Linux is good enough so not really good for the desktop use of 90 percent of people, surfing the web, youtube and occasionally writing a letter.
>Should the desktop world keep running Windows then?
There is no option for those with a more intense use of a personal computer, all the applications are running on Windows.
The few good software packages for Linux for personal use are most of the time islands, lacking the environment of many supporting programs like on windows. Often even the support by the OS is sketchy as with audio.
>OS/2 was even used in ATM and had no blue screen of death
>Oh, wow! So advanced!
Yeah, too bad it was replaced with shity, blue screening Windows, not only to power displays (hey why not embedded Linux with a lean web server?), but in ATM as well.
> How many years have you used OS/2 Warp?
Personally? Zero, no applications.
>Nobody cares about programming for Linux
Pros do care a lot, just not for your personal gaymer box. One of the reason is, beside of being cheap, is to have an alternative to Windows in case Microsoft becomes mad, like we are observing now (touchscreen GUI on server with a fullscreen calculator app). One of the strong points of Windows was to have a working GUI for administration of desktops and server in contrast to Linux.
>I don't get how having compatibility with Win32 can be any worse than the current situation.
If Linux would have a working compatibility layer, nobody would write anything for Linux.
One of the main reason why Windows is the dominating desktop OS is backward compatibility going back 20 years, not only for programs but for hardware/driver as well. People don’t like to waste money and the work they have done. That is BTW also the reason why Apple has lost all the niches they dominated in, DTP, Graphics, Audio to Windows.
On the server level Linux has great backward compatibility.
▶ No.1029258>>1029259
>>1029254
>cannot run .exe files
>completely different file structure and user control
reactos isn't just about the DE. by the way is that chicago95? I'm using chicago95 on XFCE
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▶ No.1029294>>1029300
>>1028624 South Korean company, TmaxSoft, made TmaxOS by stealing source codes from ReactOS and they sold it to South Korean government! They are thieves!
▶ No.1029300>>1029309
>>1029294
As with other cases of them stealing Japanese snacks, life will still go on for these gooks.
▶ No.1029309>>1029311
>>1029300 TmaxSoft made many softwares, JEUS, Tibero, WebtoB, and etc. And they sold them to South Korean government and companies.
All of their products have been made by stealing source codes from open source softwares!
Under South Korean copyright law, even though they're thieves, they also have copyright about their adaptation. They only have to pay to original copyrighters. South Korean law courts are similar to Chinese law courts!
▶ No.1029311>>1029320
>>1029309
Name one example of gooks stealing shit from elsewhere and selling as their own but pulled after outcry, other than the Plastic Love rip-off.
Then spread the "TmaxSoft is accused of stealing from open-source project without credit" story to wider audiences.
▶ No.1029320>>1029326
>>1029311 It's very easy because they already were filed many lawsuits against them by many software companies. So there are many Korean newspaper articles. They usually paid settlement money to accusers to quit lawsuits. But in some cases, they failed to make settlements.
The below newspaper article is about the supreme court of South Korea ruling to discard TmaxSoft software because of copyright infringement. You can translate it by using Google Translate.
http://biz.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/06/30/2011063001364.html
▶ No.1029326>>1032502
>>1029320
>2011
But TmaxOS is almost complete by now anon.
The [Russia-based] ReactOS Foundation can sue.
▶ No.1032092
>>1028708
>you're rebuked for asking a asking a stupid question.
>asking a asking a
>stupid
The irony is almost palpable.
▶ No.1032206
>>1028175
>secretly sued them with a cease and desist letter
How do you sue someone with a letter?
▶ No.1032506>>1032508 >>1032586
>>1032502
>replying to one of my posts with a screencap of a possible cuckchanner thread for no valid reason
▶ No.1032508>>1032509
>>1032506
>replying to your post
I don't give a shit about your post you sub iq nigger, I click on peoples posts to get the fucking quick reply up.
i just happen to not remove your post.
▶ No.1032509>>1032513
>>1032508
<sub iq nigger
Not an argument
▶ No.1032513>>1032516
>>1032509
Yes a nigger like yourself couldn't even comprehend what an argument is.
▶ No.1032516
>>1032513
>ad hominem
>not knowing until recently what is "[Post a Reply]"
Enjoy gook-pop by the way
▶ No.1032530>>1032773
This is looking quite usable.
Are drivers a massive issue?
Apart from drivers, what is wrong with it?
▶ No.1032571
Enjoy being a fucking dipshit react cocksucker. Only reason you would be so mad is if you were from that forum.
▶ No.1032584
>>1028166 (OP)
I like reactos. The good thing is there's more testbed and devs to contribute on wine.
>>1028173
>Windows 10 Community Preference Edition
What is that? Also that nostalgia hit me hard. There's plenty of work to be done and even ntp won't be usable let alone the wifi indicator will see there is no network (checks if connection is okay) back when I tried to debotnet my windows install. There's also registry shit going on that can upload your device IDs of hardware and USBs, small database of all filenames and hashes about the size of 6MB per 300GB files, and other botnet shit. It's basically a headache but it can be managed with lots of hardwork. Good fortune if you ever start that project.
>>1028256
>kimchi gooks
found the problem.
>>1032502
I think it has problems with the scheduler
The bugreport is very offensive considering the amount of work done.
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▶ No.1032586>>1032589
>>1032506
>a screencap of a possible cuckchanner thread
What are you smoking?
▶ No.1032589>>1032592 >>1032893
>>1032586
>IQ
Not that anon but considering the webm is without sound, that anon assumed it is cuckwebm but judging from the filename it might be an OC and it could also be your post.
▶ No.1032592
>>1032589
>that anon assumed it is cuckwebm
Wrong.
▶ No.1032773>>1032878
>>1032530
Are drivers a massive issue?
Yes. Plenty of work to be done there. USB support is nowhere near complete or stable.
>Apart from drivers, what is wrong with it?
Lack of support for:
NTFS
USB
More than one core
64 bits
Not to mention weird bugs with software as old as Office 2007.
It's still very much alpha software.
https://reactos.org/wiki/Missing_ReactOS_Functionality
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>>1032502
>literally just point out the problen
>waah thats offensive :(
see, this is why we need compulsory army service and at least values from Fascism, fucking faggots...
▶ No.1032878
>>1032773
It doesn't boot after install on most native hardware. I have experience
▶ No.1032893
>>1032589
I see your point, but the webm is not the screencap and even from the thumbnail you can see the screencap is not of halfchan
▶ No.1032894
it's a free software community doing something since two decades what a billion dollar company took 12 years to achieve.
it's windows 2000, basically. the NT kernel took years of developments to become stable; and when I say stable, it's server grade stable. There's still companies using Win2000.
▶ No.1033012>>1033038 >>1033046 >>1033197 >>1033255 >>1043368
>>1028166 (OP)
ReactOS is no longer useful. It used to be the case that a lot of software was developed only for Windows. Nowadays? Web apps and web app wrappers to have a "native" client on all major platforms with very little effort, though it's little more than a browser that can only visit one website.
Native computer development is dead. It's all web and mobile these days.
The next time you download a program that was developed recently, try looking into the tech behind it. If it's something like React Native (no relation to ReactOS) or Electron, it's not a real native program.
Basically, ReactOS is a solution to a problem that no longer exists. The only reason to use ReactOS is if you care about vidya gaems or ancient software. But really, you might as well use WINE or a VM or something instead.
▶ No.1033038
>>1033012 Now we even can play games on Linux thanks to Steam!
▶ No.1033046>>1043368
>>1033012
>Native computer development is dead.
The bulk of productivity software is native and likely will remain native due to performance requirements and compatibility with old setups.
▶ No.1033197>>1043369 >>1043662
>>1033012
If that were true everyone would be using a shitty chrome laptop.
▶ No.1033255
>>1033012
>can't do cool shit because retarded shit exists
fuck off.
▶ No.1033263
>>1028166 (OP)
>Have you tried it, have you tested it, and have you experimented with it? All questions I want to know.
HAHAHAH fuck off fbi you can't get me to admit to any windows copyright breakage so fuck off I know reactos stole code from windows so I will not admit to using it and you cant arrest me
▶ No.1033415
>>1028647
>People want an OS as a stable base for their computing, that don’t change much and integrates new technology as seamless as possible, not some flavour of the month, special snow flake, hysterical show. That is BTW why that literally gay CoC is such a bad sign for the future of Linux, is part of the bad omen for the future of the West.
This. I want my machine to work the same one day to the next until I'm ready. Don't give me change for the sake of change. Don't fuck with my font settings, don't change my layout, don't change my key binds, and don't force me to use flat shit if I don't want it.
▶ No.1033635>>1033644
>>1028173
nobody here is capable of doing anything remotely close to that, sorry
▶ No.1033644
>>1033635
>what are NTLite and the likes
▶ No.1033711>>1033729 >>1043372
>>1028169
In a far-off utopia, perhaps decades from now, where most everyone uses a Unix-derivative system, there will be a need to quickly and easily run Windows software in a more secure manner than Microsoft could ever provide. And with the benefit of being libre (and gratis) software.
And that's where ReactOS comes in.
Put it on a server or slap it into a virtual machine and let it do its thing, oblivious to the changing world around it.
There's a place, near you in fact, that is currently running software designed for a mid-80's server, patched to run on pre-Windows DOS, running in a virtual machine written in Java.
That's not even mentioning the additional layers of support around it to emulate serial cables or how it has to display information via modern browsers.
Does this sound like a nightmare to you?
It is.
And, someday, ReactOS will be another container on these legacy monstrosities.
The reality of Enterprise support is a harsh one.
In the meantime, it's a decent solution for some games from the late 90's that WinE struggles to configure itself correctly for. And maybe someday, it can be used as a drop-in replacement for Windows in a workflow.
Obviously no serious development will take place on it, at least until Microsoft kicks the bucket, but there are times Windows is easier to hop into and get something done and if they could hit 95% compatibility then I'd rather have 100% software in my dualboot.
▶ No.1033729>>1033763
>>1033711
>everyone uses a Unix-derivative system
>utopia
▶ No.1033763>>1033765
>>1033729
Apart from personal computers, Unix or its derivatives are pretty widespread right now.
▶ No.1033765>>1033766 >>1033767
>>1033763 80% of smartphones are Android that is a kind of Linux. And Linux is a kind of Unix. 99% of supercomputers use Unix or Linux. Clouds and servers also use Unix or Linux.
▶ No.1033766
>>1033765 Many embedded devices also use Linux.
▶ No.1033767>>1033768
>>1033765 The rest 20% of smartphones also use iOS that is a kind of Unix. So almost 100% smartphones use Unix or Unix-like OSes.
▶ No.1033768>>1033851
>>1033767 Only desktops and laptops use Windows and its share is just slightly over 90%. About several percents desktops and laptops use macOS and 1% PC use Linux.
▶ No.1033851
>>1033768
So should "one-percenter" be also used for a Loonix user?
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▶ No.1043257
I've been in the RoS project for a couple of years, dropped off in 2016 or so after the failed indiegogo. The competent programmers are low in volume, especially compared to every 12 year old FOSS faggot who thinks this will actually work anytime soon. USB support only exists in an unofficial capacity, and does not function well outside of VBox and QEMU. It's as useful as TempleOS right now but with none of the HolyC
▶ No.1043281
>>1028166 (OP)
>Is it the closest thing we get to Linux imitating Windows down to detail? Or is it just as, if not more, broken than WINE?
>Linux
ReactOS isn't linux. It's not even related.
>>1028310
>Reactos = NT kernel
No. ReactOS isn't NT, either. NT is closed source. ReactOS has it's own psuedo-microkernel.
▶ No.1043345
>>1028173
This is wrong for an incredible amount of reasons.
Windows XP pirated edition, was standard windows XP with a WGA crack. It was not forked from standard windows XP, and there was little to know difference.
Cracking WIndows Activation was done by people who understand reverse engineering well enough to look at specifically only WGA and change only WGA. These people did not understand all the billions of lines of code that make up windows XP, much less reimplement, fork, or maintain it.
Windows 10 could be similarly cracked. But such a crack would have all the same limitations - No forking , No re-implementation.
"Forking" Windows is essentially impossible, primarily legally, but technically as well. Ordinary programmers cannot make changes to "binaries" - the computer readable product distributed by Microsoft. Reverse Engineers can make small changes with extraordinary effort and creativity there are limits, it is painful. Forking from binary is 100% non-sense. There are leaks of old WIndows source code. Forking from this code would be possible - but illegal, and any significant effort would be shutdown. A community could in theory distribute such a thing over tor/anonymously, and develop, but few developers with any skill would be willing to do this rather than just contribute to linux / ReactOS.
ReactOS is an effort to reimplement Windows. This is a legal grey area, but somewhat established through the reverse engineering of BIOS, by an established approach. This doesn't have as wide an effort as linux. Probably will never keep Windows API's , and will always be an inferior substitute (to people not concerned with freedom)
▶ No.1043346
>>1028310
YEUAP. And if all you care about is emulating user space services to run windows executables, why even use reactOS at all. Outside of proprietary niche hardware with Windows only drivers, what does the NT Kernel architecture have thats advantageous to the myriad of exiting free kernels?
▶ No.1043350
>>1028482
>This already exists and is called windows 10 ameliorated edition.
Windows 10 ameliorated edition is absolutely retarded. Its essentially just Windows 10 Pirate edition with the sales pitch that the developer "believes" the have removed "backdoors". Its absolutely non-sense, the project is billions of lines of code, and backdoors may not be labeled despite what people think. For instance, the real backdoor may be Windows Update not the send crash reports to microsoft service.
Your OS vendor has root on your device, and accepting a random "ROM" of Windows unsourced because someone insists they removed all backdoors is dumb. I actually trust microsoft more than random roms.
Further, this isn't even the idea in the post you mentioned. The post essentially talks about some kind of fork from binary, which is insane - this person has never programmed a compiled language in their life. They also some how believe that /tech/ could fix bugs faster than a giant corporation of software developers who developed the product - not to mention merging future changes.
▶ No.1043353
>>1028488
>Windows compatibility can only help Linux grow.
Agree. ReactOS works symbiotically with the Wine project, and both benefit the Linux ecosystem. Microsoft seems to have concluded the same , and is offering Ubuntu for Windows.
▶ No.1043355
>>1028638
This. Its just the wrong approach. Your OS vendor has root. There is no way to not trust your OS vendor. Trying is retarded. You cannot remove 'botnet' except mkfs.ext4 .
▶ No.1043358
>>1028647
>Nobody is interested in grow for the sake of grow. Trying to play catch-up with the windows API would be retarded for Linux. Why should someone program for Linux if he can cover both by programming for Windows and then Windows would be still superior.
Steve Jobs made this argument consistently for apple devices - he insisted orginal apple computers not have arrow keys so that interfaces would have to be designed for the mouse, and the MAC. He insisted on forcing apps for iphone to be designed specifically for iphone and not by multi-platform compatibility layers, and it worked for him.
I think this approach works better for a company on top, rather than underdogs. Having a compatibility layer, and a price advantage could help migrate a significant user base to Linux, which could ultimately result in software designed for native API's.
▶ No.1043360
>>1028656
>Most malware comes from the browser.
APT's consistently compromise through phishing, browser security has scaled up alot.
>AV software isn't a good solution either, it's actually worse than having no AV.
Confirmed. But HIDS is still worth having.
▶ No.1043361>>1043614
>>1028670
> unpopular vectors such as windows update
Windows Update is essential to using Windows. Not using windows update while using windows is retarded. You need the patches. Not patching your OS doesn't garentee there is not a backdoor in it, but it guarantees there will be one if you wait long enough.
▶ No.1043362
>>1028701
>>"Hostility is the calling card of a weak intellect."
REKT
▶ No.1043363
>>1028794
>It's more code to maintain, that will be a significant cost in the future.
So what, its not useless unwanted code, its a modern useless file-system. It should be there.
▶ No.1043367
>>1028647
>Trying to play catch-up with the windows API
Are you stupid? There is no catch up because there is nothing to catch up to. Most Windows users are still on 7, some are still on XP, a tiny amount on Vista, some on 8 and some on 10.
Developers currently all target Vista or 7 because newer OSs will run that too.
>Why should someone program for Linux if he can cover both by programming for Windows
Native applications are plenty on Linux. Games get released for Linux too because of crossplatform libraries and engines.
And the compatibility layer doesn't have the native performance it's claimed to have by freetards and releasing a Linux binary is zero effort with those libraries.
▶ No.1043368
>>1033012
>Native computer development is dead. It's all web and mobile these days.
True! Companies are trying to force SAAS, and Web is cross platform. Virtually everything is transitioning.
>>1033046
>The bulk of productivity software is native and likely will remain native due to performance requirements and compatibility with old setups.
Thats wrong. Most apps don't have native performance requirements. For instance, Intuit has transitioned there software to a SAAS web app model. This will only become more and more attractive. Google Docs provides document creation as a web app. Google Talk provides video chat etc. Stuff that must be native looks like computationally intensive stuff, like simulation, CAD, or video games, but webgl may make some of this desirable or possible to move into a web app.
▶ No.1043369
>>1033197
>If that were true everyone would be using a shitty chrome laptop.
The fact that most people can use a chromebook is an indication is basically true. The reality is that most people don't use computationally intensive software.
▶ No.1043372>>1043653
>>1033711
>there will be a need to quickly and easily run Windows software in a more secure manner than Microsoft could ever provide
>And that's where ReactOS comes in.
(X) Doubt. Thats where WINE comes in. You don't have to emulate the NT kernel to run Windows Programs, just the NT Kernel's API, and userspace libraries.
▶ No.1043574
My honest opinion about it is it's like having an unstable version of windows XP you're better off just using wine Hell it is pretty much just Linux with wine
▶ No.1043614
>>1043361
Yes, that was my point
▶ No.1043620
>>1028169
RetractOS in in prealpha. Never used it myself but doesn't it use wine libraries?
▶ No.1043653>>1043656
>>1043372
but linux or bsd cant run windows drivers. sometimes those are needed and then reactos could be useful
▶ No.1043656>>1043661
>>1043653
This doesn't contradict what I said. To run Userspace windows programs you do not need to emulate the NT Kernel Architecture.
▶ No.1043661
>>1043656
You do if they don't use the Windows API or if they depend on certain edge cases that would be extremely difficult to emulate in something like Wineserver.
▶ No.1043662
>>1033197
Not necessarily, since that would mean companies would have to spend money to get new computers. They just slap Chrome on a computer from 2010 and call it a day.
▶ No.1052559
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
▶ No.1053555
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
▶ No.1055020
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES